What is stalling Theo??

[Letters]

And there's the nonsense "Theo isn't a big game player" bullshit again.

Can anyone be bothered to do some analysis?
He's not the sort of player who will pop up with important goals in big games like a van Persie will, is he?
His stats are fairly impressive, his finishing is very good, but I have to say I never expect him to really produce in the big games.
Prove me wrong, stattos, prove me wrong.

[AKBapologist]

Reading comprehension is a bitch, ain't it?

What? So you don't think top scorers fill their boots against shit teams?

Not that Theo hasn't delivered against some of the biggest teams in Europe or domestically, but what kind of fucking stupid argument is that?

[Cripps_orig]

Can anyone be bothered to do some analysis?
He's not the sort of player who will pop up with important goals in big games like a van Persie will, is he?
His stats are fairly impressive, his finishing is very good, but I have to say I never expect him to really produce in the big games.
Prove me wrong, stattos, prove me wrong.

Chelsea, Man Utd, Barcelona, Spuds, Liverpool and thats off the top of my head

[Letters]

Chelsea, Man Utd, Barcelona, Spuds, Liverpool and thats off the top of my head

OK. But did we win the games. Were they winners, plus 1s, consolation goals? What?
Just asking...

[SayNoMore]

Chelsea, Man Utd, Barcelona, Spuds, Liverpool and thats off the top of my head

Good post. Theo is a very dangerous player and jack is already one of the best mf in the league. These two players need to be contracted to us and they deserve whatever inflated wage they want when they are miles ahead of their team mates.

[AKBapologist]

Can anyone be bothered to do some analysis?
He's not the sort of player who will pop up with important goals in big games like a van Persie will, is he?
His stats are fairly impressive, his finishing is very good, but I have to say I never expect him to really produce in the big games.
Prove me wrong, stattos, prove me wrong.

From summer 2011...

At UEFA Euro 2012, Walcott appeared for England as a second half substitute in the group game against Sweden. Shortly after coming on, Walcott scored to bring the game level at 2–2. Less than 15 minutes later, he provided the cross for Danny Welbeck's 74th minute winner in England's 3–2 victory.

On 16 August, Walcott scored his first goal of the season in the first leg of a UEFA Champions League qualifying match against Udinese, giving a vital 1–0 win to Arsenal to carry on into the second leg of the tie

Walcott scored again in the second leg as Arsenal came from behind to win 2–1 and 3–1 on aggregate which helped Arsenal secure qualification for the lucrative group stage of the competition for the 14th straight season.

Walcott scored Arsenal's first goal in the 2011–12 Premier League campaign against Manchester United though this was a mere consolation as Arsenal lost 8–2.

He netted his fourth goal on 29 October in a 5–3 win at Chelsea where he picked up the ball on the wing, slipped, then got up and jinked past two Chelsea players before scoring. The goal was voted by fans as Arsenal's goal of the month.

On 26 February Walcott scored two second-half goals against Tottenham to help them win 5–2 after being 0–2 down.

On 30 October 2012, Walcott scored Arsenal's first goal in first half stoppage time and their fourth goal in second half stoppage time in a League Cup tie at Reading to help the club complete a comeback from 4–0 down to 5-7.

etc etc


Part of the reason why he's so "overrated" is because of all those big game moments he provides for fans...

[Syn]

Theo has performed at his usual level regardless of opposition. He did well against Barca and Chelsea. Don't think that's an issue. People tend to overrate the debate about 'big game players'. New Ronaldo and Henry were called bottlers.
Makes no sense. And, quite frankly, even if a player didn't perform against better teams, i don't consider it that important when 16 teams in the league are worse than you.

[Kano]

Theo has performed at his usual level regardless of opposition. He did well against Barca and Chelsea. Don't think that's an issue. People tend to overrate the debate about 'big game players'. New Ronaldo and Henry were called bottlers.
Makes no sense. And, quite frankly, even if a player didn't perform against better teams, i don't consider it that important when 16 teams in the league are worse than you.

usually that argument is condensed into knock out competition finals, not taking into account the vital 'big games' in terms of qualifying or at crucial points of a league season. that's how henry got labelled with it. as you say, if feo bagged 20+ purely against the bottom half of the table, are we now saying that is a bad thing for the team?

[Letters]

Theo has performed at his usual level regardless of opposition. He did well against Barca and Chelsea. Don't think that's an issue. People tend to overrate the debate about 'big game players'. New Ronaldo and Henry were called bottlers.
Makes no sense. And, quite frankly, even if a player didn't perform against better teams, i don't consider it that important when 16 teams in the league are worse than you.

There were plenty of occasions last year when van Persie popped up with a goal which turned 1 point into 3. He's doing it this year for Utd. That isn't over-rated, he did it in the Manchester Derby and it could be the difference between ManYoo being champions or not. Last year van Persie was the difference between us being top 4 and not. That isn't over-rated.

[Power n Glory]

Im not wumming. If people cant think, it annoys me. Unless of course they are that stupid so forgive me if I've given you undue benefit of doubt.



Think. The market is not what it was even 5 years ago. This is about Theo in comparison to Jack. And there is no comparison really. You would need eyes and a bit of a brain to know this.




You pay players on the basis of what they will do, not what they have. You look at the past and you see Jack was phenomenal in his debut season being the stand out players among stars in the Arsenal-Barca games. You note it wasn't an anomaly. You then see if he will fully recover from his injury. He looks sharper by the game and he's playing consistently well in the same manor he did. Players that have his ability don't fuck about with the basics and Jack is not. He's worth every penny.

Syn…you’re acting like an idiot. You’re usually level headed and there is no need to adopt that tone with me. Keep it cool without the insults and listen to my argument.

There is no dispute about Wilshere’s talent but if people are going to talk about consistency and performances related to pay, then Jack hasn’t earned that £85k simply because he hasn’t been in this squad long enough or played consistently as the top player that drags the team with him when everyone is slacking. That doesn’t mean he can’t do it. But it’s idiotic for anyone to look at Theo and ask what’s he done over then look at Jack and say it’s justified. He’s only played one full season for goodness sake. It’s flawed logic.

If we’re saying JW should earn as much as all the other important first teamers, that’s another issue and fair enough. If all the first team players around that mark, then fair play, but you can’t argue he’s earned it through performances in such a short space of time. Even with Cesc, he wasn’t earning next to the same amount as Henry after a couple of seasons, it doesn’t matter about the going rate at that time he wasn’t propelled to the top that quickly. But at the end of the day, the value of the player doesn’t really matter as long as they’re playing for us. It shouldn’t be an issue for fans.