I'm surprised you don't get that because it was you who invented it.And I don't get why people would argue for Theo to sign a contract and then double back and say he's 'shit anyway' if he doesn't sign.
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I'm surprised you don't get that because it was you who invented it.And I don't get why people would argue for Theo to sign a contract and then double back and say he's 'shit anyway' if he doesn't sign.
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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
Childish response.
You know it's a huge contradiction.
A lot of people, you included, question the direction the club is going in and even question Wenger's judgement on certain players, but in this argument, you're saying Wenger knows what's best for Theo. You go as far as to say Wenger converted RVP into a striker but in a few posts down, double back and then say Theo isn't even in the same class as such players. If that's true, do you really think Wenger can get Theo to level we need as a striker? He hasn't been able to that with players like Bendy, Vela, Denilson, JET...etc.
Without even having all the details, you accuse Theo of being greedy but you already know this club is quite happy to make a pretty penny wherever they can. Just a lot of contradictions in your argument and things haven't been thought through.
Your selective interpretation and readiness to subvert what has actually been said is noted. You take responses to your own unreasonable arguments, remove your input and then apply a different context to the responses. Nowhere above do you even closely represent what I have argued.
You know it's a huge contradiction.
A lot of people, you included, question the direction the club is going in and even question Wenger's judgement on certain players, but in this argument, you're saying Wenger knows what's best for Theo. You go as far as to say Wenger converted RVP into a striker but in a few posts down, double back and then say Theo isn't even in the same class as such players. If that's true, do you really think Wenger can get Theo to level we need as a striker? He hasn't been able to that with players like Bendy, Vela, Denilson, JET...etc.
Without even having all the details, you accuse Theo of being greedy but you already know this club is quite happy to make a pretty penny wherever they can. Just a lot of contradictions in your argument and things haven't been thought through.
Of course I question the direction the club is going in, in fact I'd go a lot further and say I condemn the direction. But that doesn't give Theo Walcott a free pass. Agreed, I don't rate Walcott in the same class as the top players we've had at the club, but that wasn't my argument. I said his opportunity has never been greater because he's not up against a van Persie or Henry, his competition is Gervinho and Giroud. We are as light in the striker department as we have ever been.
I never placed the emphasis on Wenger at all, it's Theo Walcott that has the point to prove, not Wenger (in this case). You claim I haven't thought things through but you are already ten miles down the road on what Theo thinks and what his reasons are, yet you have no reference points on which to base any of these claims. All we know is he wants to play up front and he wants £100K. That's what I have based my arguments on. Not some theory about Theo being worried about his potential, or his ambitions or any of the other conjectures that have no public facts whatsoever underpinning them. I don't claim to have all the details, but I do at least have SOME details. You pad out the details with pure speculation and then explain how you understand where the player is coming from.
Of course Walcott is greedy. He wants £100K A WEEK FFS! What's YOUR definition of greedy? Let's just accept he's a greedy bastard, like most of them. Not sure why you even argue against this. You know the world is mad when £100K a week is viewed as restrained.
My argument is simple and without contradiction. If Walcott wants in then let him sign. If not then let him fuck off. If he wants to sit there making demands then let him. But why I am I required to go crawling after him? We have you to do that, don't need me too surely? Why can't I call him a greedy, disruptive ****? That's what he is, isn't he? And if not, what is he?
I didn't say he was shite either, I said he was inconsistent. And again, if you are arguing against this reality then what can anyone do? He's a tremendously inconsistent player, both over the course of the season and in individual matches. All I have said is you can get that level of inconsistency for a lot cheaper. Of course, we won't spend the money buying true talent, we know that. So Theo Walcott, some other second tier player, what's the difference?
I think you'll find there is no inconsistency in my argument though. I am being crystal clear. It's Walcott's message that makes no sense. He demands to be the striker, says he wants to stay, and then refuses to sign a contract. It leads me to conclude it's all about money because that's the sensible conclusion. Of course I could be wrong. Theo could be different to all the other ****s who have gone before him. I wonder though. What are the real chances of that?
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The most important thing about all of this other than NQ being wrong as usual (Theo being greedy?) is that NQ finally uses paragraphs
Touched a nerve.
The reports of £100k can't be confirmed. It's all specualtion from the papers so that is where your argument falls down because it's not fact.
No, you were schooled, there's a big difference and sometimes it's necessary.Touched a nerve.
The reports of £100k can't be confirmed. It's all specualtion from the papers so that is where your argument falls down because it's not fact.
But to make it even simpler.
The manager decides if and where players will play. Not Theo Walcott.
The board decides how much the players will be paid, and if the player doesn't accept the offer he can go elsewhere for more (provided nobody has the cheek to say he is moving for money, of course)
And yes, roll in greedy owners and the fans lose as usual.
Greedy owners + greedy players = shit hitting the fans
Nothing else to see here.
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I'm not sure why you want to compare my distant, speculative relationship with theo's close, informative one.
Good feud.
Still a level down from GW's greatest but there's some good potential here.
Have not seen one like it since i have been on here.
Schooled! Yeah.
Yeah, the manage decides where players play but it's not always the correct decision. We've said this in the past on numerous occasions. We can't keep playing square pegs in round holes and expect success. If you are going to now argue that Theo should just accept Wenger's judgement, then I'm saying that contradicts what's been said in the past about Wenger's tactical judgment. You say Theo is inconsistent and maybe that has something to do with him playing out wide in a new position. You can say fuck it, he has to do what he is told, but then we're in this constant loop that never gets resolved and you'll continue to bash players for being inconsistent.
Yeah, we know the Board pay what they want but they are quite happy to offer competitive wages to Wenger and Gazidis but won't do it for the playing staff. The money in football is obscene, but there is a benchmark an standard for certain players. Theo is an international with champions league experience. We don't know for sure what he's been offered or asking for, but he should probably earn roughly the same amount that an international with CL experience should earn. And you are right, he can move if he's not happy with the offer and it's not as if he's in the wrong with how he has behaved.
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