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    I think being the last man is just part and parcel of the work of a defender, particuarly a centre back. It's something everyone needs to deal with because there's no fail safe way to defend, there will always be times where they need to be desperate to be effective. I'm sure Kos isn't helped by the fact our defending as a team is so poor but it's difficult to ignore him as an individual when these moments keep happening to the same person.

    Vermaelen has a good action-man sidekick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marc Overmars View Post
    He's got the ability to be a top defender but he's also incredibly prone to individual errors. I can't remember the last person we had who was this much of a magnet for trouble.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Terry Tuffnutz View Post
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    Verm/Kos is worse than Gallas/Toure, IMO.

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    People seem to be happy enough to absolve him of blame and instead blame those around him, good defenders take responsibility IMO, I'm not saying they make no mistakes, but they aren't as error prone as he is.

    Schoolboy defensive error by him yesterday IMO, this wasn't the play of an experienced player trying to keep the attacker out, this was the kind of defending you expect from defenders of the calibre of Squillaci.

    Yes he has good games, but these clear as day mistakes seem to be part and parcel of his game they're not isolated incidents, he's 27 as well he's not a kid and has had long enough to take command and stop making these basic errors IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joker View Post


    Chesney would not have got there first, he wasn't even in the frame until after Dzeko's already been hauled down.
    Did someone slip him a brown paper bag before the game? I hope his team mates and manager have laid into him about that. Idiot!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grebbo View Post
    Wenger with great players is a great manager.

    Wenger with average players is a good manager.

    A manager is only as good as his players.
    With a strong line up of players, any half decent manager would be able to win some silverware if given the right amount of time. As Harry once said, you'd have to be a mug not to do well.

    We don't have the same resources as City and Chelsea and it's unlikely we'll ever have a line up of great players that dwarf everyone else in quality. That's why Wenger isn't right for the job anymore. He once had technically superior players to everyone else in the league and now that isn't the case. Even when we had great players we could never win back to back titles or win the Champions League. We never really dominated. But that's a side issue. We need a manager that can get the best out of the resources we have because Wenger is failing to do that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory View Post
    With a strong line up of players, any half decent manager would be able to win some silverware if given the right amount of time. As Harry once said, you'd have to be a mug not to do well.

    We don't have the same resources as City and Chelsea and it's unlikely we'll ever have a line up of great players that dwarf everyone else in quality. That's why Wenger isn't right for the job anymore. He once had technically superior players to everyone else in the league and now that isn't the case. Even when we had great players we could never win back to back titles or win the Champions League. We never really dominated. But that's a side issue. We need a manager that can get the best out of the resources we have because Wenger is failing to do that.
    No manager in the world would get Arsenal to finish 3rd, above Chelsea don't forget, but Wenger did last season. 4th is our level. Anything above that is an over achievement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grebbo View Post
    No manager in the world would get Arsenal to finish 3rd, above Chelsea don't forget, but Wenger did last season. 4th is our level. Anything above that is an over achievement.
    But a cup trophy and Champions League finish isn't beyond us.

    A few years ago when we had Cesc, Nasri and RVP, we were title contenders and only needed one or two players to push on. 2% away from domination...remember thos quotes? Now it looks like we have no chance of winning the league ever again and that's down to his neglect and stubborn attitude along with an incompetent Board. Standards and expectations have taken a serious slump after selling Cesc and Nasri.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory View Post
    But a cup trophy and Champions League finish isn't beyond us.

    A few years ago when we had Cesc, Nasri and RVP, we were title contenders and only needed one or two players to push on. 2% away from domination...remember thos quotes? Now it looks like we have no chance of winning the league ever again and that's down to his neglect and stubborn attitude along with an incompetent Board. Standards and expectations have taken a serious slump after selling Cesc and Nasri.
    Yeah I agree but the next Cesc/RVP (not so much Nasri) wont join us any more. We're not a big draw. A Chamberlain/Zaha type is more attainable. English players who know they'll get game time and improve.

    I don't know what the answer is. I don't think Wenger is doing a great job but I also don't think he's doing a bad job. Which managers would want to join us knowing we can't/wont try and sign top players?? Lots of managers but not many, if any, top managers.

    With or without Wenger we wont be competing for the League or Champs Lge. A domestic cup maybe but I'm sure winning a Capital One Cup wont satisfy the fans for very long. If we'd of beaten Birmingham a few years ago Wenger would still be just as unpopular today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grebbo View Post
    No manager in the world would get Arsenal to finish 3rd, above Chelsea don't forget, but Wenger did last season. 4th is our level. Anything above that is an over achievement.
    Mate, Newcastle finished above us last season.

    Last season was a clusterfuck of major proportions.

    But you won the CL i hear some say. The CL win was awesome and all but that was about as jammy a CL win as you'll ever see. Liverpool in 05 was child's play compared to that shit we pulled last season.

    You did well to finish 3rd but we were plain awful last year, just awful. Hopefully we'll do better this season.

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