Wenger Slaughterhouse

[Olivier's xmas twist]

I know you seem to think Wenger is not responsible for any of the crap we are in atm but hes the manager. He is responsible for all the shite we have seen on the pitch the last few years. For all the mistakes he has made and doesnt rectify season in and out, thats all down to him and not the board.

He never said he was not.

[Özim]

It's easy to say that when the money is a given. Which of them manages their clubs for free? Which of them work for anything like a fair return given the job they do? They are all massively overpaid, like the players. Nobody is doing this for love any more, except maybe naive kids just starting out. When a sport moves form a few quid a week and the sheer privilege of playing for your boyhood club into a multi billion dollar a year industry then don't be surprised when priorities shift. Next year it will be even worse. The TV revenue will be even bigger and I'm pretty damn sure you can inversely map this idea of love to that rising revenue. We're all sitting here bereft because we can't comprehend just how many ****s there are in the game now. Creatures so removed for real life it's impossible for them to understand us or us to understand them.

That's not the point, the top manager want to win and do everything they can to succeed...they don't just pick up their huge salaries and tell us 4th place is a major trophy and to be happy with what you have.

In the last 7 years that's all he's done, got 3rd/4th place which in anyone's book means losing and yet he's more than content with that....where's his drive to win?

I don't know any other manager in World football who gets paid as much as he does for repeatedly failing and stays in his job....I don't think there is a manager in the history of football who would have lasted at a top club after 7 years without a trophy and only a handful of 4th places to show (and the odd 3rd place)

[Özim]

Rubbish, as most Arsenal fans thought his speech was good. Just cause you did not like it don't mean others did not.

A few thought it was, a few said they felt sorry for him. It wasn't a good speech...just the usual nonsense...it's just that people like to absolve him of blame and pretend he's just a victim in this scenario.

I'd love to be a victim like him with a salary like his.

[Niall_Quinn]

Wenger is the manager, it's shameful he's out of touch with his own fans...that he supposedly trying to please and entertain....

Maybe so, but it is what it is. Bring in another manager then but just be aware he will have to stick with the agenda too. A newcomer might get a few more tactical decisions correct and might get a few results in the short term, but the very nature of asset stripping means that guy will soon have nothing to work with and will see his plans go up in smoke each season. Wilshere won't stay here, Ox won't stay, even Walcott thinks he's too big for this club FFS! And they aren't supposed to stay because they are assets to be stripped.

[Cripps_orig]

Rubbish, as most Arsenal fans thought his speech was good. Just cause you did not like it don't mean others did not.

Most Arsenal fans? Like the ones who were at the AGM and applauded him?

Hand picked fans. Not genuine.

The feeling around the ground is different

[Özim]

As I said, he's delivered financial miracles in the last 7 years. Nothing on the pitch, because that's not where the focus is any more.

Financial miracles, perhaps...that's more due to UEFA to be honest who have created this ridiculous competition that pays big clubs big money for coming 4th in their league.

[Özim]

Maybe so, but it is what it is. Bring in another manager then but just be aware he will have to stick with the agenda too. A newcomer might get a few more tactical decisions correct and might get a few results in the short term, but the very nature of asset stripping means that guy will soon have nothing to work with and will see his plans go up in smoke each season. Wilshere won't stay here, Ox won't stay, even Walcott thinks he's too big for this club FFS! And they aren't supposed to stay because they are assets to be stripped.

A manager with any ambition would challenge the board and not just accept everything like a lapdog. No top manager would settle for 4th place every season with no hope of success, just like our players.....they'd leave...and who could blame them?

A new manager will expect money to spend and a chance to bring success.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

That's not the point, the top manager want to win and do everything they can to succeed...they don't just pick up their huge salaries and tell us 4th place is a major trophy and to be happy with what you have.

In the last 7 years that's all he's done, got 3rd/4th place which in anyone's book means losing and yet he's more than content with that....where's his drive to win?

I don't know any other manager in World football who gets paid as much as he does for repeatedly failing and stays in his job....I don't think there is a manager in the history of football who would have lasted at a top club after 7 years without a trophy and only a handful of 4th places to show (and the odd 3rd place)

He is not failing though, that is NQ's point. What you want is irrlevant ot Wenger your not his boss. So why should he care about you. His boss targets for him to finish 4th at least and he has achieved that.

You can't be a failure if you meet your targets. Winning things has nout to do with it. its not his target to meet end off.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Most Arsenal fans? Like the ones who were at the AGM and applauded him?

Hand picked fans. Not genuine.

The feeling around the ground is different

Nope the ones, who rang up talk sport, or 606, the ones on other forums i seen. other fans from other clubs i have spoke too.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

]A manager with any ambition would challenge the board and not just accept everything like a lapdog.[/B] No top manager would settle for 4th place every season with no hope of success, just like our players.....they'd leave...and who could blame them?

A new manager will expect money to spend and a chance to bring success.

No thats and idiot who wants to be sacked.