Good point and well made.Originally Posted by LDG
Good point and well made.
Putting the laughter back into manslaughter
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There will be a range of views among the fans of any club. Some will be ludicrously optimistic (I'm looking at you, Ollie), others will be more Eeyore like and between those two extremes there will be some in the middle. BUT, come match day we're fans of The Arsenal aren't we so f*** everyone else. To coin a chant:
F*** 'em all, f*** em all.
United, West Ham, Liverpool.
'Cos we are the Arsenal and we are the best.
We are the Arsenal so f*** all the rest.
My issue with Zimm is not the pessimism, it's that he takes every opportunity to take a swipe at the club he purports to be a fan of. Meanwhile he fawns over other clubs and their managers. It's weird behaviour from someone to claims to be an Arsenal fan. It's perfectly valid to think Wenger needs to go but bad results are whined about endlessly, good results are often met by "Meh, the other side were rubbish".
I can't see the point in following football at all if you get zero enjoyment from it.
Poor result for them yesterday no question about it, I expect them to be a lot stronger next season though and in that sense it's a real missed opportunity for us.
Incidentally, I respect Rodgers too, he's changing things and moving Liverpool forward which is all any fan wants to see.
Never rated Moyes at Everton for precisely the same reason I have issues with Wenger, he never ever seemed to progress.IMO this attitude of attacking a posters loyalty just because they don't rate Wenger is tedious. Its probably worse than calling Wenger a Cunt. I think zim supports arsenal like a true fan and frankly speaking he has been right about Wenger for the past 4-5 years.
I don't think he needs to apologize for calling a spade a spade. Just going by our record at the end of the season and our football style, we have not made much progress (if any) in 7-8 years.
Personally, I'd rather have people who talk around facts and don't wear rose tinted goggles.
Zim, you are a top poster my man. Haters gonna hate. They are 2% away from interpreting facts.
Arsene Wenger, the only football manager that got paid 8 million quid to do nothing but sit on his arse..
It's not because of that if you bother reading my posts properly
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It unfortunately is. Zims posts are not anti-arsenal, they are anti-Wenger. A difference not many are able to make. Its Arsenal FC, not Arsene FC.It's not because of that if you bother reading my posts properly
I don't see why he would need to come and jump with joy when we win, when it is clear as daylight what's going to happen eventually. He is looking at the bigger picture of where we are heading footballistically.
Sure, he can be happy like many just because we earned the most points in 2013 or because we did not lose to any of the top sides at home.. but what is the end product? The same shit like every season. Call Zim miserable or just a sad poster but he is definitely a fan.. might I say, a better fan than most.
Arsene Wenger, the only football manager that got paid 8 million quid to do nothing but sit on his arse..
There's some people I like in football and some I don't that's how I roll, the refs things does get on my nerves a bit because people blame our results on them, whilst they may have some impact, I see games week in week out now where if not for the ref we'd have won, or not lost. In the old days when we were a top team we more often than not took the ref out of the equation, when you are a really good team that's what you do, it only really becomes an issue when your team isn't quite good enough and can't overcome what's in front of them. Therefore the comments about ref are like a cop out for me and after hearing years of this from Wenger hearing fans making the same excuse rather than facing reality is somewhat tedious, but that's just my view on it.
I love it when we win and win well, games like Spurs in the cup where we played brilliant football and deservedly won, I don't get the same pleasure when we scrape wins or get draws however, it doesn't make me believe we can be successful. Teams that win hit form at some stage and show their credentials, IMO this season whilst we've picked up a lot of points I haven't really seen evidence of our title credentials, that's unless you consider a more solid defence evidence of this.
We've had a decent run this season, but what's really held me back is the lack of belief we could beat the top sides, even when we had more points I still knew that until we could overcome this hurdle we'd not be realistic challengers, sadly we've been unable to overcome this.
What I'd love to see is us taking on one of these top teams, outplaying them and beating them with good football, whilst as a result yesterday's result was decent and we played OK, we've had a bad few weeks and I'm deflated by it and the draw really doesn't give me a huge buzz, because ultimately we're out of the title race and playing for 4th, win the cup would though.
Ok.
It not really as simple as that, after the same pattern year on year I just don't believe, I'm frustrated by the lack of changes at the club, we've been in the same situation for years and just seem happy to stagnate, I just have no belief in the current setup, I don't believe it can deliver and to be honest expect us to fail and sadly we invariably do and that's really disappointing.
This season we got to December and it was looking really good, this may have raised my hopes somewhat until we proceeded to drop points at the crucial time, it was been there done that again for me, my worst fears about the team rearing their head again, it's been made worse by real spankings which seem to be made light of a week or two later, defeats like that really should be taken more seriously than they have been by the management IMO.
As for the comments about other clubs, it's a wishful thinking thing, it's looking back at what we were and then looking at them and seeing what I wish we could be in a sense, in the case of Chelsea (or Mourinho) to have a forward thinking manager who acts and doesn't stick to tactics that don't work, in the case of City to play more expansive counter attacking football (I've wished for that since 2005 when we inexplicably IMO abandoned a winning formula) and in the case of Liverpool to hold onto players who are adamant they want to leave and show evolution.
That's three things we lack at the club which I wish we had which is the reason why I have positive comments about the above, they're basically three things I long to have back at this club, three things which just aren't going to happen with Wenger IMO.
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