Vs Blue Scouse

[Power n Glory]

I know Ramsey was getting booed but the booing was more for fans being idiots than Ramsey being as poor as you are describing him. Like I said a few times, Ramsey never lost his tactical understanding and stayed within the confines of the team. He also wouldnt drop his head but instead sought to win hte ball back after the flicks. The fans just turned on him because Arsenal fans tend to do that to non-English players who are trying to find form.

Ox has been this way for a few seasons now, not just this start. The issue I am having is that he isnt actually getting better. He looks the same player whereas Ramsey had something catastrophic happen to him on the pitch.

We all agree that he needs to step it up now with Ramsey out and with all the injuries in the midfield.

Ox has had injuries as well remember. He hasn't played a full season for us on that wing.

You really think this has anything to do with Ramsey not being English? That's idiotic.

[Blink 1nce Quince 2wice]

The main thing that worked in Ramsey's favour was that he wasn't regularly contributing to us conceding goals so Wenger was happy to see him ride out the storm. The Ox has developed an unfavourable habit of having a hand in us conceding and even without increasing his end product he really needs to just look after the ball better.

Although he is now on loan, Gnabry usually looked after the ball well. Some criticised him for being too conservative at times but rather, I think he prudently allowed himself a solid base from which he to steadfastly build upon. That sometimes meant he grew into games progressively not making mistakes to begin with and then throwing caution to the wind later.

But the point about the returning players is a good one..... The Ox's competition will only get fiercer after Christmas.....

[AFC Leveller]

Ramsay was frustrating when he first came here and took time to sort himself out but lets not forget that he was already playing for Cardiff and had a calmness about way beyond his years. He also went out on loan to forrest where he learnt a thing or two and has progressed into a solid player capable of scoring good goals.

[mastermind84]

Ox has had injuries as well remember. He hasn't played a full season for us on that wing.

You really think this has anything to do with Ramsey not being English? That's idiotic.

It's happened a lot over the last decade for me to ignore it.

I think fans root harder for English players. It's not necessarily nationalistic but instead just wanted to see their countryman do well.

Ramsay was frustrating when he first came here and took time to sort himself out but lets not forget that he was already playing for Cardiff and had a calmness about way beyond his years. He also went out on loan to forrest where he learnt a thing or two and has progressed into a solid player capable of scoring good goals.

Ramsey was/is a bigger talent than Chamberlain.

[selassie]

It's happened a lot over the last decade for me to ignore it.

I think fans root harder for English players. It's not necessarily nationalistic but instead just wanted to see their countryman do well.




Ramsey was/is a bigger talent than Chamberlain.

You have a point re: the English thing but Ramsey is British so I do feel folks kind of want him to do well too.

Hmmm...it's debateable whether Ramsey was the bigger talent, they were both really hyped before they joined us and both of them were getting regular games in their teams, I think Ramsey may have been playing in the Championship whilst Chamberlain was in League One but that was the only difference really, both of them had plenty of elite PL clubs in for them.

[Globalgunner]

Ox has bags of potential. We must persevere, but he may need to go outside for a season. Wenger is not good at developing young players. Ramsey is not as explosive and is a totally different player, He too has not yet found his game position for us. Its funny because if Cazorla leaves, Ramsey cant do what he does either. He would be best seved watching what Ozil does. Jack too for that matter.