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    Are we seriously discussing getting rid of the manager having just finished 3rd behind two billionaire clubs? A manager who only has a year left on his contract anyway? How should it be done? Public humiliation? Maybe lock him out and throw shit at him from the upper windows?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn View Post
    Are we seriously discussing getting rid of the manager having just finished 3rd behind two billionaire clubs? A manager who only has a year left on his contract anyway? How should it be done? Public humiliation? Maybe lock him out and throw shit at him from the upper windows?
    Hanging or Electric chair tbh. Only way to be sure.

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    Hanging or Electric chair tbh. Only way to be sure.
    Guillotine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GB. View Post
    Guillotine.
    Burnt at the stake?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn View Post
    Are we seriously discussing getting rid of the manager having just finished 3rd behind two billionaire clubs? A manager who only has a year left on his contract anyway? How should it be done? Public humiliation? Maybe lock him out and throw shit at him from the upper windows?
    Sounds good

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    Quote Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn View Post
    Are we seriously discussing getting rid of the manager having just finished 3rd behind two billionaire clubs? A manager who only has a year left on his contract anyway? How should it be done? Public humiliation? Maybe lock him out and throw shit at him from the upper windows?
    What else do you propose? Are you suggesting we get rid of the Board and bring in owners willing to spend money? Or hope Stan or/and Jabba start throwing money our way?

    If that's your one hope, I don't see how you can shit on City so much with their recent victory. It's hypocritical. A change in management is the only way I see things improving if we don't hit the lottery. Wenger only has a year left and now should be the time to search for his successor IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory View Post
    What else do you propose? Are you suggesting we get rid of the Board and bring in owners willing to spend money? Or hope Stan or/and Jabba start throwing money our way?

    If that's your one hope, I don't see how you can shit on City so much with their recent victory. It's hypocritical. A change in management is the only way I see things improving if we don't hit the lottery. Wenger only has a year left and now should be the time to search for his successor IMO.
    What? You've just set out a position and assigned it to me and then chastised me for being a hypocrite! Fair enough, but I feel a bit left out of this debate. No, I suggest we get Jack back, bring Ox on as fast as possible, make sure RvP signs, get Podolski settled quickly and bring in 2-3 decent players for maybe £60-70million (incl. wages) which the board can well afford after all those years of raking in the proceeds. That would be roughly how much they have clawed out in investment that should have gone into the team over the last 5 years I'd guess. If you count Arshavin as a premium signing then one a year is fair enough for a club of our stature, especially in light of the names heading out the door.

    I'm at a loss to explain this determination to have only two possibilities, zero investment or Man City levels of investment. The latter is an oddity, the exception rather than the rule. Aside from the artificial teams such as City and Chelsea, you can look back and see fairly sensible levels of investment in football. This has been skewed recently due to the activities of those artificial teams as others have sought to keep pace but I'd be happy with a quality signing each year to move things forward. In fact I'd say we've been a quality signing short of getting rid of this trophy blight on several occasions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn View Post
    What? You've just set out a position and assigned it to me and then chastised me for being a hypocrite! Fair enough, but I feel a bit left out of this debate. No, I suggest we get Jack back, bring Ox on as fast as possible, make sure RvP signs, get Podolski settled quickly and bring in 2-3 decent players for maybe £60-70million (incl. wages) which the board can well afford after all those years of raking in the proceeds. That would be roughly how much they have clawed out in investment that should have gone into the team over the last 5 years I'd guess. If you count Arshavin as a premium signing then one a year is fair enough for a club of our stature, especially in light of the names heading out the door.

    I'm at a loss to explain this determination to have only two possibilities, zero investment or Man City levels of investment. The latter is an oddity, the exception rather than the rule. Aside from the artificial teams such as City and Chelsea, you can look back and see fairly sensible levels of investment in football. This has been skewed recently due to the activities of those artificial teams as others have sought to keep pace but I'd be happy with a quality signing each year to move things forward. In fact I'd say we've been a quality signing short of getting rid of this trophy blight on several occasions.
    There isn't a sensible level of investment in football. What's the difference between spending £60m each year to spending £160 in one season to bring you from a mid table team to a Champions League team? One team has spent to get to our level and we're talking about spending to win the league. If there is nothing wrong with us spending there is nothing wrong with City spending to win the league. Every team does it but City have done it in a shorter amount of time. Was speaking to my work colleage whose a Spurs fan and he had the cheek to say they've bought the league when they've spent millions just to get into the top four. There is no moral high ground for this and it's funny how people are outraged by it.

    You're thinking along the same lines as all the city fans, owners, people in general that see big investments as a way to win trophies. When we swipe Southampton's best players for millions, not a word is said, but I'm sure their fans are pissed at the way the big clubs can just swoop in and take their most talented after years spent developing them. But this is football.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory View Post
    There isn't a sensible level of investment in football. What's the difference between spending £60m each year to spending £160 in one season to bring you from a mid table team to a Champions League team? One team has spent to get to our level and we're talking about spending to win the league. If there is nothing wrong with us spending there is nothing wrong with City spending to win the league. Every team does it but City have done it in a shorter amount of time. Was speaking to my work colleage whose a Spurs fan and he had the cheek to say they've bought the league when they've spent millions just to get into the top four. There is no moral high ground for this and it's funny how people are outraged by it.

    You're thinking along the same lines as all the city fans, owners, people in general that see big investments as a way to win trophies. When we swipe Southampton's best players for millions, not a word is said, but I'm sure their fans are pissed at the way the big clubs can just swoop in and take their most talented after years spent developing them. But this is football.
    Well this is just it - you say 'but this is football' as a way of saying 'but this is business' but the way Citeh operates is not sound in a business sense, it's at the whim of one man. It's falsely propped up.

    That's the distinction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by McNamara That Ghost... View Post
    Well this is just it - you say 'but this is football' as a way of saying 'but this is business' but the way Citeh operates is not sound in a business sense, it's at the whim of one man. It's falsely propped up.

    That's the distinction.
    Does it matter? The whole system is unfair.

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