So what do we do to improve our prospects of mounting a challenge for the league and other competitions.

[AKBapologist]

Nobody believes that changing the manager is going to solve all the problems. But it could be a component along with a whole host of factors in improving the competitiveness of a team that has gone stale.

Another question. Do you think that Wenger, if he took over Man City tomorrow, would have more or less success than Mancini did this season?

[Kano]

Show me a manager who has done more, with less, consistently been in more cup finals and finished above us on less resources, show me that, with actual stats, that the problems we had last season are indeed the same we had this season, and I'll happy submit to your world view that wenger doesn't know how to organise a team.

Other wise, fuck off.

oh you want a stat wank off on the internet?

luv-a-duck you knobhead.

while you are there, can you highlight the part where i said wenger cannot organise a team?

basically, benitez, some tottenham ****, avram grant etc have all managed to win a cup - why hasn't wenger?

oh yes of course, it is those big bad refewees that do it.

seriously, the wenger dream is over, so make steps to get over it.

he'll always be a legend and a hero for the club but he did not change his coaching approach post invincibles and has paid the price.

[Xhaka Can’t]

Another question. Do you think that Wenger, if he took over Man City tomorrow, would have more or less success than Mancini did this season?

My opinion is nothing to do with Mancini, but I'll go with this anyway. I think he would do at least as well as Mancini has done. I think Wenger is a better manager than he is perceived to be, but we do need a change and I think he does as well. Things have been stale at our Club for a long time.

[AKBapologist]

oh you want a stat wank off on the internet?

love-a-duck you knobhead.

while you are there, can you highlight the part where i said wenger cannot organise a team?

basically, benitez, some tottenham ****, avram grant etc have all managed to win a cup - why hasn't wenger?

IF all those managers, none who still have there jobs at those clubs, have won cups, what does that say about the cups?

It's like you've been brain washed by typical pundit bullshit and can't even realise that your infact diminishing your own point.

[Kano]

you still haven't pointed out where i have said he can't organise a team? please do so.

right, so the cups mean nothing then? so the fans that would've gone nuts at home and at wembley against birmingham would've been making mugs of themselves and arsenal are far and above winning such low tin pots?

i have been a ticket season holder for 20 years, defending wenger all the way until we went round on a loop again this season. it wasn't even the start or middle that got to me but the stumble towards the finish. the realisation isn't a nice one that wenger will not change, the problems with the team will not change until he leaves.

so you are saying wenger forever and ever then?

[AKBapologist]

My opinion is nothing to do with Mancini, but I'll go with this anyway. I think he would do at least as well as Mancini has done. I think Wenger is a better manager than he is perceived to be, but we do need a change and I think he does as well. Things have been stale at our Club for a long time.

But if he's physically incapable of winning a trophy how could this be possible?

[Xhaka Can’t]

But if he's physically incapable of winning a trophy how could this be possible?

I don't think he will win another trophy with us. It has gone stale, we need a fresh start, so does Wenger.

[AKBapologist]

you still haven't pointed out where i have said he can't organise a team? please do so.

right, so the cups mean nothing then? so the fans that would've gone nuts at home and at wembley against birmingham would've been making mugs of themselves and arsenal are far and above winning such low tin pots?

i have been a ticket season holder for 20 years, defending wenger all the way until we went round on a loop again this season. it wasn't even the start or middle that got to me but the stumble towards the finish. the realisation isn't a nice one that wenger will not change, the problems with the team will not change until he leaves.

so you are saying wenger forever and ever then?

Ideally, give him a billion pounds and the pressure to spend it. It's much more likely to get us instant success than replacing him with anyone available.

[Flavs]

Where has the other thread gone

[Cripps_orig]

Where has the other thread gone

This one?

http://www.goonersweb.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=1451