Is Wenger stale or is it us?

[GP]

You see, I noticed immediately after I joined this forum, just how most of you Wenger apologists try to patronize and berate people who know and are not afraid to say that Wenger needs to go.

Please note that your pathetic attempts at being condescending has zero effect on me sir.

Now, with that said, please f*** off.

The problem is, your posts, much like Fakeyank's, don't make any sense. When you start making up shit or using hyperbole, it completely undermines anything you're trying to say.
So if you feel you're being patronised, it's not because you think Wenger should go, it's because you're a fucking idiot.

[Özil's Panoramic View]

The problem is, your posts, much like Fakeyank's, don't make any sense. When you start making up shit or using hyperbole, it completely undermines anything you're trying to say.
So if you feel you're being patronised, it's not because you think Wenger should go, it's because you're a fucking idiot.

What exactly have I made up? You are just an arrogant piece of shit who can't tolerate views that are not in line with yours.

Now once again, please fuck off sir.

[LDG]

Lol

[Master Splinter]

The Internet .

[Power n Glory]

The problem is, your posts, much like Fakeyank's, don't make any sense. When you start making up shit or using hyperbole, it completely undermines anything you're trying to say.
So if you feel you're being patronised, it's not because you think Wenger should go, it's because you're a fucking idiot.

You're a funny dude. When was the last time you've actually tried debating a point without sarcasm, shit stirring, name calling or whatever else. Instead of attacking the point and trying to have a decent debate, you attack and insult the poster.
You can't be taken seriously either.

[GP]

You're a funny dude.

Thanks, that's nice of you to say.

[Joker]

There are a few posters around who go around doing nothing but attack and castigate posters who make a point vaguely critical of Wenger. It's these people who hijack threads by posting irrelevant, sarcastic BS to try and belittle and misrepresent someone's viewpoint (for example, there's one poster who keeps trying to make it seem as if Wenger not drinking with other managers is used as a stick to beat him with, even though hardly any posters actually do that).

I don't think GB is one of them, but there are others who contribute very little to Arsenal debate except ganging up on those with a contrary viewpoint.

[Xhaka Can’t]

There are a few posters around who go around doing nothing but attack and castigate posters who make a point vaguely critical of Wenger. It's these people who hijack threads by posting irrelevant, sarcastic BS to try and belittle and misrepresent someone's viewpoint (for example, there's one poster who keeps trying to make it seem as if Wenger not drinking with other managers is used as a stick to beat him with, even though hardly any posters actually do that).

I don't think GB is one of them, but there are others who contribute very little to Arsenal debate except ganging up on those with a contrary viewpoint.

The bulk of people here these days are critical - and rightly so. The tipping point for me, was not the fact that we hadn't won trophies or the fact that we can't outspend Clubs run as penile extensions, but at that point it became crystal clear that we were never going to make best use of the Club's resources in order to maximise our chances of winning trophies. I don't care if our maximum probability of winning a trophy is 5% - that is out of our hands. But when we don't even take the necessary steps utilising our resources, that I cannot accept.

Wenger is the poster boy for the approach we are adopting, maybe it is not entiely down to him and maybe things won't get better because this is the approach that the Board want, but by fuck I've had enough of it and I want change.

[cricketsi]

There are a few posters around who go around doing nothing but attack and castigate posters who make a point vaguely critical of Wenger. It's these people who hijack threads by posting irrelevant, sarcastic BS to try and belittle and misrepresent someone's viewpoint (for example, there's one poster who keeps trying to make it seem as if Wenger not drinking with other managers is used as a stick to beat him with, even though hardly any posters actually do that).

I don't think GB is one of them, but there are others who contribute very little to Arsenal debate except ganging up on those with a contrary viewpoint.

Just as there may be there are also posters who go around constantly making this point and portraying themselves as the oppressed enlightened minority. It also works the other way round and some posters get rounded on and criticised if they say anything in defence of Wenger in some threads. It's all tit for tat and trying to claim moral high ground from it is probably laughable.

It's probably a sign that it is indeed GW that is stale.

[IBK]

OK so the consensus appears to be that Wenger has gone stale for the following reasons.

1. No silverware for 7 years.

As someone has observed, if we'd won a couple of league titles in the interim, we'd be blissfully happy with Wenger. But is our lack of silverware really because AW has gone stale - or is it really because he's been hampered by the stadium project while confronted by the almost unlimited resources of other clubs?

I'd agree that had we shown more committment to the FA/Carling Cups we might have something to show for it. But Wenger would say that his principal focus is finishing high enough up the league to get CL football. Do people really value cup silverware above Tues/Weds night football?

2. Failing to use his available resources wisely.

Again, I'd agree that we seem to pay too much money to under-performing players - while our inability to pay our best players more creates a continual talent drain. AW appears to place too much faith in certain players who don't reward it.

But on analysis is this going stale? My difficulty with this over-rewarding criticism is that noone - least of all Wenger - will pay more than they have to for players - either in transfer fees or in wages. The reason why Bendtner; Diaby; Denilson; Vela; Ramsey are paid what they are paid is that there was demand for them when they signed. You might even argue that because we've slipped from the top, we need to make it more attractive for players to join our club.

Wenger's talent has always been on the developmental side. Is it fair to criticise him for choosing to continue with this - especially at a time when its become simply impossible to compete using the alternative model?

And anyway - doesn't the manager's change in direction in the transfer market last Summer indicate a fresh approach rather than a stale one?