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    Quote Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn View Post
    You are essentially reducing the whole rationale behind football to a financial equation, just as Wenger does. Of course the club shouldn't just throw money at every problem, that would be equally as bad. But there's an element of investment in football, you put back into the club what you earn and you also speculate to accumulate, and indeed there's an element of risk to that. Wenger is a risk free manager and as such he's pretty much unsuited to league we're in. This isn't about buying houses or cars, neither is it a typical business scenario as you try to suggest. How many top flight clubs have actually gone bust and closed down over the years, say in comparison to the local businesses? Even in the most dire circumstances, Leeds, Portsmouth, these clubs took a risk (or hired Harry Redknapp which is suicidal) and paid in terms of their status, but they still plough on. That's because sport is still (thank fuck) different to a typical business, even though it's rapidly heading in the wrong direction egged on by accountant types like Wenger. There's a connection between the club and the local area, there's a fan base, you can't substitute brand Y for brand X if you are an Arsenal supporter, there's only one Arsenal. If the business types have their way all this will change and in fact the indications are these narrow minded and emotional cripples are having it their way and killing the game in the process. What are we looking for? Arsenal FC one year, Emirates FC the next? A merger with THFC? All of the usual crap that goes on in business but brought to the football world? Football is different, whether you care to admit it or not, and people like Wenger aren't helping the game at all, he's driving it into the hands of people who only care about the money and don't give a shit about the sport - like our board.

    If I'm a bum then I don't buy the expensive house because I know next year is likely to be just as unambitious as the previous. But if I'm a go-getter I speculate that the work I will do and the effort I'll put in will see me move ahead the next year to a better place, always on the up. So I might say fuck it and buy the more expensive house because I'm looking to improve rather than just exist. The big winners are also the big risk takers, those who play it safe might find a comfort zone but they don't rise to the top.

    Nobody wants Wenger to throw millions around recklessly, they just want him to demonstrate he still has a pulse and is aware there's a lot more to this game than balancing the books. Do you think the guy still has the winning drive? I don't. I'd put my money with him if I wanted a solid 5% each year but I wouldn't waste my time backing him to win at football.

    Who thinks the fans would have sat on their hands if the board had been honest and said this stadium move was a decade long project that would see the team emaciated in the process? Who would have sat still if they knew the board was going to bail before that process was completed? Do you see what's happened here? Our club has been sacrificed so a bunch of shits who didn't even need the money can cash in. That's the long and short of it. What does £4million mean to those guys? Lady Whatsherface banked £120mill+ didn't she? How much did she put in? How much did any of the other bastards put in and how much are they set to walk away with? Where's "Do Nothing" Stan getting all the cash from? Do we know yet?

    They can stick their business model up their arses as far as I'm concerned. They can crow about its virtue all they want and meanwhile a team that used to be able to compete with the likes on Utd (they used to have to kick us of the pitch because they couldn't live with us) is swirling around the toilet bowl waiting for the one big final flush from Wenger. All is well, don't be so impatient, appreciate what you've got, he tells us - as he merrily continues to neglect the glaring problems this club has been facing for years and the fans sit and watch the team being humiliated by the likes of Newcastle, West Brom and Birmingham fucking City.

    Shankley had it right, not Wenger. Football is much, much more than a sordid, nasty money-making trip for rich guys, or at least it fucking should be.

    This dude is my hero!

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    looks like Clichy has gone then really sad to see him go, always gave 100%, never moaned about the club, has not issued wage demands etc for the reason why he wants to leave, hasnt alienated the fans like some. i wish him all the best

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    Quote Originally Posted by ollie the optimist View Post
    looks like Clichy has gone then really sad to see him go, always gave 100%, never moaned about the club, has not issued wage demands etc for the reason why he wants to leave, hasnt alienated the fans like some. i wish him all the best
    Indeed.

    Was never the best but the commitment was always there. In fact he was probably too eager sometimes which often ended up in him getting caught out at the back. Good luck to him anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory View Post
    It will be interesting to see what happens when RVP and Walcott go up for contract talks. I think we should just give him the money and make it clear that we expect a return on our investment. That's if he accepts and it's really all about the wages. But he could just be refusing to talk about a deal because he doesn't want to stay. His performance, like the rest of the team, dropped as soon as the Januray transfer window shut. I don't think anyone could believe the club could be so tight fisted and not spend when we needed a new CB. We were battling for all four trophies.

    What's worse, they saw the same thing happen the season before when we needed a striker. Instead of spending, Wenger played Arshavin in the middle and that cost a few points and I'm sure it raised a few eyebrows. I know Arsahvin wasn't happy and when an experienced manager makes such a silly move, he loses the respect of his players.

    Nasri's game dropped off in January when we decided not to buy. The fans were questioning the ambition of the club and I'm pretty sure the same thoughts ran through the players heads. The back to back draws and losses were pitiful and Wenger couldn't rally the troops. We all knew something was wrong in the camp and now we are seeing the fall out. Players want to leave. I don't like Nasri that much and think we can live without him, but if giving in to his 'wage demands' sets a standard that others will try to follow, selling him off will have a similar effect. RVP said we need to change our policy when we were about to lose Ade, Hleb and Flamini. He won't sign a deal if we do this again.
    I agree with much of that - but for me the absolute key is Nasri's game dropped off in January when we decided not to buy. If this is true then it underlines 100% why IMO we should not be pushing the boat out to keep him. If you want to be the top paid player at a club you need to be the 'go to' guy. You need to give 100%. Period. I mean its absolutely disgraceful if that is the case, when you think that his performances started dipping before we crashed out of 4 comps!!!

    Honestly, for me if players are only going to put in 100% depending on whether or not the club makes transfers, then I want them out of the club ASAP. Cesc may have earnt the right to question the club's ambition, but Nasri - do me a favour - what has he ever done for our club? The more I hear about Nasri (fact or theory), the more I see him as Adebayor MkII. In short - yes we need some judicious spending/strengthening but I am becoming more and more convinced that Nasri isn't what we should be spending our money on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nasri Scoreng View Post
    I agree with much of that - but for me the absolute key is Nasri's game dropped off in January when we decided not to buy. If this is true then it underlines 100% why IMO we should not be pushing the boat out to keep him. If you want to be the top paid player at a club you need to be the 'go to' guy. You need to give 100%. Period. I mean its absolutely disgraceful if that is the case, when you think that his performances started dipping before we crashed out of 4 comps!!!

    Honestly, for me if players are only going to put in 100% depending on whether or not the club makes transfers, then I want them out of the club ASAP. Cesc may have earnt the right to question the club's ambition, but Nasri - do me a favour - what has he ever done for our club? The more I hear about Nasri (fact or theory), the more I see him as Adebayor MkII. In short - yes we need some judicious spending/strengthening but I am becoming more and more convinced that Nasri isn't what we should be spending our money on.
    Besides RVP, all the players' heads dropped and it's a result of the club and managers bad decisions. When team morale drops like that, it's hard for anyone to make a serious impact and leadership should really come from the manager. It's not as if we haven't been down this road before. When we're on a run of bad results, nobody ever steps up to rally the troops. Letting another talented player leave the club won't solve that problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn View Post
    You are essentially reducing the whole rationale behind football to a financial equation, just as Wenger does. Of course the club shouldn't just throw money at every problem, that would be equally as bad. But there's an element of investment in football, you put back into the club what you earn and you also speculate to accumulate, and indeed there's an element of risk to that. Wenger is a risk free manager and as such he's pretty much unsuited to league we're in. This isn't about buying houses or cars, neither is it a typical business scenario as you try to suggest. How many top flight clubs have actually gone bust and closed down over the years, say in comparison to the local businesses? Even in the most dire circumstances, Leeds, Portsmouth, these clubs took a risk (or hired Harry Redknapp which is suicidal) and paid in terms of their status, but they still plough on. That's because sport is still (thank fuck) different to a typical business, even though it's rapidly heading in the wrong direction egged on by accountant types like Wenger. There's a connection between the club and the local area, there's a fan base, you can't substitute brand Y for brand X if you are an Arsenal supporter, there's only one Arsenal. If the business types have their way all this will change and in fact the indications are these narrow minded and emotional cripples are having it their way and killing the game in the process. What are we looking for? Arsenal FC one year, Emirates FC the next? A merger with THFC? All of the usual crap that goes on in business but brought to the football world? Football is different, whether you care to admit it or not, and people like Wenger aren't helping the game at all, he's driving it into the hands of people who only care about the money and don't give a shit about the sport - like our board.

    If I'm a bum then I don't buy the expensive house because I know next year is likely to be just as unambitious as the previous. But if I'm a go-getter I speculate that the work I will do and the effort I'll put in will see me move ahead the next year to a better place, always on the up. So I might say fuck it and buy the more expensive house because I'm looking to improve rather than just exist. The big winners are also the big risk takers, those who play it safe might find a comfort zone but they don't rise to the top.

    Nobody wants Wenger to throw millions around recklessly, they just want him to demonstrate he still has a pulse and is aware there's a lot more to this game than balancing the books. Do you think the guy still has the winning drive? I don't. I'd put my money with him if I wanted a solid 5% each year but I wouldn't waste my time backing him to win at football.

    Who thinks the fans would have sat on their hands if the board had been honest and said this stadium move was a decade long project that would see the team emaciated in the process? Who would have sat still if they knew the board was going to bail before that process was completed? Do you see what's happened here? Our club has been sacrificed so a bunch of shits who didn't even need the money can cash in. That's the long and short of it. What does £4million mean to those guys? Lady Whatsherface banked £120mill+ didn't she? How much did she put in? How much did any of the other bastards put in and how much are they set to walk away with? Where's "Do Nothing" Stan getting all the cash from? Do we know yet?

    They can stick their business model up their arses as far as I'm concerned. They can crow about its virtue all they want and meanwhile a team that used to be able to compete with the likes on Utd (they used to have to kick us of the pitch because they couldn't live with us) is swirling around the toilet bowl waiting for the one big final flush from Wenger. All is well, don't be so impatient, appreciate what you've got, he tells us - as he merrily continues to neglect the glaring problems this club has been facing for years and the fans sit and watch the team being humiliated by the likes of Newcastle, West Brom and Birmingham fucking City.

    Shankley had it right, not Wenger. Football is much, much more than a sordid, nasty money-making trip for rich guys, or at least it fucking should be.
    Outstanding post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marc Overmars View Post
    Fuck! that hurts a bit

    didnt know Clichy and Nasri were sgoing in for heir medicals together

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    Clichy nicked one of the kids from the training creche. Arsene will be pissed off with that.
    It's better to burn out, than to fade away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory View Post
    Besides RVP, all the players' heads dropped and it's a result of the club and managers bad decisions. When team morale drops like that, it's hard for anyone to make a serious impact and leadership should really come from the manager. It's not as if we haven't been down this road before. When we're on a run of bad results, nobody ever steps up to rally the troops. Letting another talented player leave the club won't solve that problem.
    You don't want to/aren't able to make an outstanding impact, you don't deserve outstanding wages. last time i looked, RVP wasn't agitating for more money/refusing to renew a contract.

    I agree with you about talent leaving - but I do not feel that you should just chuck money at any player who wants out. Like I say I have grave doubts over whether Nasri's worth breaking the bank over, and whether he would repaty that investment with us.
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