Match Reaction v Wigan

[Özim]

no good will ever come from wanting your team to lose games. nothing good will ever come with an attiude like that.

So how will things change then, by winning them luckily? I think not.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Arsenal.

We won, time for lots of beers.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Yeah I understand that, but how will that ever lead to any changes that's really what I'm asking. Do you honestly expect us to change things when we're basically happy with what we're achieving?

No fan would pay to go and watch the boys and be happy for them to lose, just so things can change. Only people that can change Arsenal are those at the top. Fans can only get behind the team when it plays.

[Ollie the Optimist]

The problem is that you think things will change if we're winning, they won't and thus unconvincing wins are basically just compounding the problems by convincing the management they are right.

I just don't understand the theory that changes will be made when we're 3rd/4th they simply won't, the manager will feel vindicated.

right so we lose a few games over this period. wenger goes, you are happy, but suddenly sagna and theo dont want to stay, wenger has gone, we losing games so they leave. other players dont want to sign in the window as why join a losing team with no manager?

so we are in a worse position but you are happy.


wanting your team to lose, no matter what the situation is just downright fucking stupid

[Olivier's xmas twist]

]The problem is that you think things will change if we're winning,[/B] they won't and thus unconvincing wins are basically just compounding the problems by convincing the management they are right.

I just don't understand the theory that changes will be made when we're 3rd/4th they simply won't, the manager will feel vindicated.

I never, ever said that, so stop twisting my words.

[Özim]

It doesn't matter what we, the fans, feel. It only matters what the board feel and they seem happy enough with perennial top 4 finishes and not much else.
I guess if the fans got fed up en masse (and it's getting close to that) and stopped going/buying merchandise then maybe something would change but tbh there's not much we can do so might as well get behind them.

Yes I agree with that, but then you're saying that the only way we'll see changes (without the latter of your two options, which let's be honest is highly unlikely to happen) is for the club to fail to achieve it's objectives (which we were a couple weeks ago, hence the pressure) and that unfortunately requires some poor results that's all I'm saying.

It's catch 22 really.

[Özim]

No fan would pay to go and watch the boys and be happy for them to lose, just so things can change. Only people that can change Arsenal are those at the top. Fans can only get behind the team when it plays.

Exactly, so therefore if no fans go then they have to change things. Point proven.

[Özim]

I never, ever said that, so stop twisting my words.

Stop denying it, you've said you want us to win and that's fine, but then you must think things will change if we do (you've said as much in a post about transfers)......otherwise you don't think things will change and therefore can't really care that much that they don't as long as we win some games and get 4th.

[Power n Glory]

Yes and he wants money, did i say we should not give him the money. All i said was if he wants to play up top then he needs to do better and be more consistant.

Your a funny guy, no one should pay me no mind, yet you replay to my post

It's more for the benefit of guys that are arguing with you. No point in stressing a point too hard because you'll be right there with the posts and agreeing after Walcott puts in a good performance.

Also, if you're saying certain posters shouldn't moan so much after a win, surely the same applies to a player that helped get us the win with the penalty? Just saying!

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Exactly, so therefore if no fans go then they have to change things. Point proven.

What has that got to do with losing games. I don't think you get this fan thing. Fans go because they love the club, bit because they love the way things are being run or are happy with whats going on.

Losing games won't change anything. It just makes things worse last 2 weeks showed us that. Not going to worry about what happens in the Jan window, what happens will happen. Right now over the xmas period i want the boys to win and get confidence.