Match Reaction v Wigan

[Olivier's xmas twist]

It's also down to Wenger that 4th place now is considered a major achievement now and is the definition of succees and that picking up trophies doesn't matter as much as long as you get 4th.

Give me back the pre-Wenger days anytime because at least then picking up trophies was considered success not anything else, it's one thing coming 4th every season but entirely another thing hailing it as success.

So the Invincbles was aim was not wo win trophies then?

[Cripps_orig]

So the Invincbles was aim was not wo win trophies then?

Fact you have to go back 9 odd years pretty much confirms Zimms point

[Özim]

So the Invincbles was aim was not wo win trophies then?

That was years ago, he's changed and he's never going back to the old days, winning isn't that important to him anymore.

So my point stands.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Fact you have to go back 9 odd years pretty much confirms Zimms point

That was years ago, he's changed and he's never going back to the old days, winning isn't that important to him anymore.

So my point stands.

Not really, you said the pre wenger days, but during the wenger days his aim was to win things.

[Cripps_orig]

Not really, you said the pre wenger days, but during the wenger days his aim was to win things.

Have the past 7 years just passed you by or something?

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Have the past 7 years just passed you by or something?

Wenger days don't just include the last 7 years do they?

[Cripps_orig]

Wenger days don't just include the last 7 years do they?

But the fact you have to go back nearly a decade to prove your point just proves nothing but Zimm right

If you think Wenger is the same manager now as he was then hence why you keep bringing up the invincibles then you my friend are gravely mistaken

[Olivier's xmas twist]

But the fact you have to go back nearly a decade to prove your point just proves nothing but Zimm right

If you think Wenger is the same manager now as he was then hence why you keep bringing up the invincibles then you my friend are gravely mistaken

I Never said that. Zimm said he had to go back before the Wenger days, to see us show trophies was the aim. My point was why go back that far.

[Cripps_orig]

I Never said that. Zimm said he had to go back before the Wenger days, to see us show trophies was the aim. My point was why go back that far.

Cos Wenger wont change back to the manager he was. He wants to prove this way, his way is right and its killing our club

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Cos Wenger wont change back to the manager he was. He wants to prove this way, his way is right and its killing our club

Again you miss my point. Why go back to the Graham days, why not say you miss the early Wenger days. He probs won't change back but those days were special you have to admit.