Koscielny

[selassie]

Our entire defence is scary. It needs to be ripped up and started again. Merts has the turning speed of a double decker bus, Vermaelen still dives in like an 18yr old, Kos and Gibbs are just plain shit. As for Sagna... well he blatantly wants out because his form has bombed.

I don't think it would matter what we spent and who we have in Defence. It will remain sh*te until Arsene/Bouldy sort out the tactical side of our game. It's really not just defence, for sure Defence is and has been a problem for years, but the team as a whole, suck at Defending/closing down/doing the ugly stuff.

I'm really tired off all of us going on about the same things every single season, we have a multitude of problems with the team and I don't believe any of them will be fixed until Arsene is gone.

[Power n Glory]

I don't think it would matter what we spent and who we have in Defence. It will remain sh*te until Arsene/Bouldy sort out the tactical side of our game. It's really not just defence, for sure Defence is and has been a problem for years, but the team as a whole, suck at Defending/closing down/doing the ugly stuff.

I'm really tired off all of us going on about the same things every single season, we have a multitude of problems with the team and I don't believe any of them will be fixed until Arsene is gone.

Wenger has to go. We're a shambles of a team and it's because of him. He has no idea what he's doing anymore. This is a brand new team and the defensive line up is totally different to what we had four years ago and it's the same shit different toilet.

[Grebbo]

Wenger has to go. We're a shambles of a team and it's because of him. He has no idea what he's doing anymore. This is a brand new team and the defensive line up is totally different to what we had four years ago and it's the same shit different toilet.

Wenger with great players is a great manager.

Wenger with average players is a good manager.

A manager is only as good as his players.

[Power n Glory]

Wenger with great players is a great manager.

Wenger with average players is a good manager.

A manager is only as good as his players.

With a strong line up of players, any half decent manager would be able to win some silverware if given the right amount of time. As Harry once said, you'd have to be a mug not to do well.

We don't have the same resources as City and Chelsea and it's unlikely we'll ever have a line up of great players that dwarf everyone else in quality. That's why Wenger isn't right for the job anymore. He once had technically superior players to everyone else in the league and now that isn't the case. Even when we had great players we could never win back to back titles or win the Champions League. We never really dominated. But that's a side issue. We need a manager that can get the best out of the resources we have because Wenger is failing to do that.

[Grebbo]

With a strong line up of players, any half decent manager would be able to win some silverware if given the right amount of time. As Harry once said, you'd have to be a mug not to do well.

We don't have the same resources as City and Chelsea and it's unlikely we'll ever have a line up of great players that dwarf everyone else in quality. That's why Wenger isn't right for the job anymore. He once had technically superior players to everyone else in the league and now that isn't the case. Even when we had great players we could never win back to back titles or win the Champions League. We never really dominated. But that's a side issue. We need a manager that can get the best out of the resources we have because Wenger is failing to do that.

No manager in the world would get Arsenal to finish 3rd, above Chelsea don't forget, but Wenger did last season. 4th is our level. Anything above that is an over achievement.

[Power n Glory]

No manager in the world would get Arsenal to finish 3rd, above Chelsea don't forget, but Wenger did last season. 4th is our level. Anything above that is an over achievement.

But a cup trophy and Champions League finish isn't beyond us.

A few years ago when we had Cesc, Nasri and RVP, we were title contenders and only needed one or two players to push on. 2% away from domination...remember thos quotes? Now it looks like we have no chance of winning the league ever again and that's down to his neglect and stubborn attitude along with an incompetent Board. Standards and expectations have taken a serious slump after selling Cesc and Nasri.

[Grebbo]

But a cup trophy and Champions League finish isn't beyond us.

A few years ago when we had Cesc, Nasri and RVP, we were title contenders and only needed one or two players to push on. 2% away from domination...remember thos quotes? Now it looks like we have no chance of winning the league ever again and that's down to his neglect and stubborn attitude along with an incompetent Board. Standards and expectations have taken a serious slump after selling Cesc and Nasri.

Yeah I agree but the next Cesc/RVP (not so much Nasri) wont join us any more. We're not a big draw. A Chamberlain/Zaha type is more attainable. English players who know they'll get game time and improve.

I don't know what the answer is. I don't think Wenger is doing a great job but I also don't think he's doing a bad job. Which managers would want to join us knowing we can't/wont try and sign top players?? Lots of managers but not many, if any, top managers.

With or without Wenger we wont be competing for the League or Champs Lge. A domestic cup maybe but I'm sure winning a Capital One Cup wont satisfy the fans for very long. If we'd of beaten Birmingham a few years ago Wenger would still be just as unpopular today.

[StamfordBrdige]

No manager in the world would get Arsenal to finish 3rd, above Chelsea don't forget, but Wenger did last season. 4th is our level. Anything above that is an over achievement.

Mate, Newcastle finished above us last season.

Last season was a clusterfuck of major proportions.

But you won the CL i hear some say. The CL win was awesome and all but that was about as jammy a CL win as you'll ever see. Liverpool in 05 was child's play compared to that shit we pulled last season.

You did well to finish 3rd but we were plain awful last year, just awful. Hopefully we'll do better this season.

[WMUG]

Still think that shouldn't be a red card in general, if it results in a penalty. A penalty is, by definition, a goal scoring opportunity, so Kos didn't deny City a GSO, he gave them one.

[Grebbo]

Mate, Newcastle finished above us last season.

Last season was a clusterfuck of major proportions.

But you won the CL i hear some say. The CL win was awesome and all but that was about as jammy a CL win as you'll ever see. Liverpool in 05 was child's play compared to that shit we pulled last season.

You did well to finish 3rd but we were plain awful last year, just awful. Hopefully we'll do better this season.

Yeah I agree with you but we still managed to finish above Chelsea and their expensively assembled team. It was more by luck than anything really as Spurs should easily have finished third. We even had the dodgiest of all goalkeeping displays from WBA's keeper on the final day to help us get over the line.

I still don't think any Arsenal fan can expect us to finish above Chelsea/Man U/City. Their squad's are miles ahead of ours.