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    He's a quality player.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IBK View Post
    I think blaming Kos is wide of the mark. Ref was probably right on a very strict application of the law. Problem is that defenders see this kind of thing unpunished most of the time. We all want our players to do what is needed to prevent the other side scoring - Kos fell slightly the wrong side of the line. He is not playing as well as last season, but that's because he hasn't had a run of games. Jury's out on him, but not for today.
    I've said it before, and I'll say it again. Whilst you cannot condone Koscielny hauling down a player like that (and for me the red and pen were justified), people always have to single out players for sometimes unwarranted critisism. The final act was Kos's fault. But you have to ask why he was in that position in the first place.

    Kos, unfortunately, ends up as the last man in so many occasions, as we fail to deal with problems in midfield, and out wide.

    Wenger likes his team to play with a high line, and therefore, this means the midfield must stop the ball from turning our defenders so often. And we just don't do it.

    We're also playing too narrow, and the gaps the fullbacks are leaving (generally due to Gibbs being left 2 on 1) is ridiculous.

    Therefore Kos is usually the one who has the last ditch attempt to stop a cross (see own goals) or dealing with someone bearing down on goal. And for every one we concede there are two or three times where Kocielny has saved our bacon, this year and last. He's not playing as well this year, like you say, an dI think it is down to lack of a run in the team.

    Whilst he, like any other defender on this planet, makes a mistake or two, the fact that our defensive unit is not drilled, has no shape half the time, and is not protected at all times by our midfield, means we're prone to conceding stupid goals all of the time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory View Post
    The guys an idiot. Seemed harsh but you can't rugby tackle the opposition.
    I had little bit chuckle at the thought of Kos playing rugby.
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    Quote Originally Posted by selassie View Post
    I don't think it would matter what we spent and who we have in Defence. It will remain sh*te until Arsene/Bouldy sort out the tactical side of our game. It's really not just defence, for sure Defence is and has been a problem for years, but the team as a whole, suck at Defending/closing down/doing the ugly stuff.

    I'm really tired off all of us going on about the same things every single season, we have a multitude of problems with the team and I don't believe any of them will be fixed until Arsene is gone.
    Wenger has to go. We're a shambles of a team and it's because of him. He has no idea what he's doing anymore. This is a brand new team and the defensive line up is totally different to what we had four years ago and it's the same shit different toilet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by selassie View Post
    I don't think it would matter what we spent and who we have in Defence. It will remain sh*te until Arsene/Bouldy sort out the tactical side of our game. It's really not just defence, for sure Defence is and has been a problem for years, but the team as a whole, suck at Defending/closing down/doing the ugly stuff.

    I'm really tired off all of us going on about the same things every single season, we have a multitude of problems with the team and I don't believe any of them will be fixed until Arsene is gone.
    I dunno, I think it's more the quality of defender rather than tactics. Yes, Wenger has never been a great tactician but the two goals yesterday and Kos getting sent off were down to having shit defenders. Bould was part of the best defence ever seen and even he can't coach them into being half decent players.

    Verms is 27? He still plays like a kid. Way too rash. No amount of coaching is going to fix him now. Now amount of coaching or tactics is going to improve Merts' turning speed of an elephant.

    Wenger has won trophies in England. He's also built good defences in England. But he had much better players than he does now - that's the only difference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joker View Post


    Chesney would not have got there first, he wasn't even in the frame until after Dzeko's already been hauled down.


    What the actual fuck was Kos thinking? That is fucking hilarious.

    I'm assuming a mistake has been made in the poll question.

    Kos is more than good enough for the PL. The question then becomes which level in the PL at which point it gets a bt tricky. I don't think he's good enough to start for a PL title challenging side. He is however a very good squad player for said title challenging side.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory View Post
    Wenger has to go. We're a shambles of a team and it's because of him. He has no idea what he's doing anymore. This is a brand new team and the defensive line up is totally different to what we had four years ago and it's the same shit different toilet.
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    He's got the ability to be a top defender but he's also incredibly prone to individual errors. I can't remember the last person we had who was this much of a magnet for trouble.

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    It was a clear pen. As for the red card, I dunno. He was last man but I'm not sure it was a clear goal scoring opportunity. They still had some work to do to control the ball and get the shot away. A yellow card and penalty would have done IMO. You get a game then. Soon as he was off it killed it and we had little or no chance of getting much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marc Overmars View Post
    He's got the ability to be a top defender but he's also incredibly prone to individual errors. I can't remember the last person we had who was this much of a magnet for trouble.
    See LDGs post above, explains it quite well, I think.

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