Super Jack & Super Jack Related News

[Dennis Bendtner]

Wilshere is being ridiculously overhyped. There is a great deal of promise with him, and occasionally we see flashes of what he is capable of. However at his stage of development, he should be an understudy, but there is no one at the Club to help him and aid his development. We have a real genuine talent, but are we equipped to help him fully realise it?

I don't think so.

Should he be an understudy? The best way of fulfilling that promise is giving opportunities to play. He was overused in his first season but that was because he played so well. I don't think he is quite the Fabregas-level precocious talent but at the same time 'flashes' is underselling his season and a half in the first team by quite a bit. Your point about no one being there to aid his development (in terms of playing staff) is fair. That's why Wenger wanted to keep Cesc for another season which would have been really good to watch, though in any case Wilshere was dead last year.

[Power n Glory]

If we're talking strictly about talent, it's pretty insane to put anyone above Cazorla.

Never mind when we talk about putting into practice.

And Arshavin has always been too technically ragged to be up there.

Insane indeed. The guys two footed! That alone puts him heads and shoulders above the pack.

[Niall_Quinn]

And Rosicky wasn't a talent when he was Jack's age? Or Pod wasn't touted as a dangerous German talent when younger? As said, they are all technically gifted players and all have talent. After that it gets done to the 'demonstrated' part you mentioned and that boils down to performance on the pitch. I don't know how you can put those three below Jack on Ox when neither can hit a pass or shot as well as these guys or turn a game around like they can. It's too much hype and they've yet to prove it.

What bearing does Podolski being touted as a dangerous German talent when he was younger have on our club right now? We're having two different discussions here, or else you just aren't reading anything I type.

[Xhaka Can’t]

you just aren't reading anything I type.

Tbf, none of us do.

[Power n Glory]

What bearing does Podolski being touted as a dangerous German talent when he was younger have on our club right now? We're having two different discussions here, or else you just aren't reading anything I type.

It's linked to what I said about Joe Cole earlier and talent in general. You can see raw talent in players from an early age but you can't assume they will go on to greater things when so young. When Pod was younger, he was expected to go on to achieve great things, similar to the way people are already holding up Jack. It was the same for Rosicky. It's warning for those writing Jack's history even though he's hardly played.

[Özil's Panoramic View]

Jack isn't so young, is he? I think we are past that lamp post where we're 2nd guessing if he's just raw talent and if he'll come good.

The boy can play, and will come better than every other player in our team currently, providing he doesn't turn into a crock. The names that are being brought up are all at least 6 or more years older than him and have basically all plateaued at a level below what can be described as world class.

[Niall_Quinn]

It's linked to what I said about Joe Cole earlier and talent in general. You can see raw talent in players from an early age but you can't assume they will go on to greater things when so young. When Pod was younger, he was expected to go on to achieve great things, similar to the way people are already holding up Jack. It was the same for Rosicky. It's warning for those writing Jack's history even though he's hardly played.

Okay, fine, but I'm not guaranteeing he'll go on and do anything. What I'm saying is Wilshere and Ox would be the two players I'd hang on to above all others. Both are gifted, both already playing at a high level and both with bags of raw talent and potential. Jack's a born leader too. Good players with plenty of years ahead of them (barring injury). Good ingredients for any team. Keep Pods and Cazorla next and stick a gun in Kroenke's face and tell him to hand over the cash then go and build out the team. Play with a bit of style, win something.

Or sell Jack and Ox for big bucks and sign Titus Bramble.

[Power n Glory]

Jack isn't so young, is he? I think we are past that lamp post where we're 2nd guessing if he's just raw talent and if he'll come good.

The boy can play, and will come better than every other player in our team currently, providing he doesn't turn into a crock. The names that are being brought up are all at least 6 or more years older than him and have basically all plateaued at a level below what can be described as world class.

And I'm saying we shouldn't get ahead of ourselves because that could also happen to Jack. You get players that sometimes just fall off the radar after loads of promise. I already mentioned Joe Cole, Nasri looks close to that, Anelka, Reyes (I had serious high hopes for him).....we have to wait and see.

[Kano]

Joe Cole! He had raw talent and was hyped in much the same way Jack is now. Lord knows what happened to Cole but he was an exceptional technical player and most had high hopes for him but it just didn't pan out for him.

Raw talent isn't enough sometimes and Jack still has a lot to learn. This hasn't been Jack's Arsenal defining season and I hate the way the papers are trying to set it up that way. We lack world class talent, every player has been hit and miss, but it's been a group effort with streaks of good form from Cazorla, Theo, Pod, Kos, Merts, Giroud even Gervinho.

cole was in a very similar position to wilshere right now, although more so for the national team than expected to perform at club level.

mourinho ruined cole. joe was so desperate to prove he was more than a few tricks and flicks he lost all of that for the sake of team ethic and became a workhorse. for different reasons, jack could fall danger to the same thing. what has stood out more than anything else about this season is his work ethic and desire to give his all for the team, more than the eye for a final ball or finished product. there is plenty of time to ensure all of that ability isn't lost but if we keep treading water as a club as we currently are and being so overdependent on the boy, then he could become just an excellent workhorse, which would be a crying shame.

[Özim]

I never thought Cole was all that and whilst I think Wilshere is good I also think he's currently one of the most overrated players around......he's nowhere near as good as some people seem to think, he's young and has time but to date has done little on the pitch.

Don't get me wrong, I think he has talent and I'm happy we have him, it's just that some people seem to think he's the English Messi, he's done nothing to suggest that.