Wenger - does he even understand whats wrong?

[IBK]

Another point that I think has been missed, is that for all his experience, AW simply hasn't faced this situation before. A situation where his methods/vision hasn't worked and he is under unprecedented pressure to deliver to the expectations of a big club (even though those expectations may be his own, more than the board's).

Monaco and Grampus 8 would not have brought this pressure. Prior to 2005 he was (SAF excepted) top of the tree. Post 2005 he could, until now, have been excused by virtue of his need to re-build.

He is now exposed, and must be feeling disillusioned and perhaps nonplussed as to how a team on which he has lavished so much effort and belief, and that undoubtedly had the footballing ability to succeed, failed so spectacularly. For me, it really isn't difficult to imagine him on the shakiest ground that he has been on, in terms of his own understanding of how to address the team's problems. All managers can bring in players. The big question is what AW is capable of doing in other areas - and whether he truly knows what to do. Because this ain't happened to him before.

[budesonide]

Another point that I think has been missed, is that for all his experience, AW simply hasn't faced this situation before. A situation where his methods/vision hasn't worked and he is under unprecedented pressure to deliver to the expectations of a big club (even though those expectations may be his own, more than the board's).

Monaco and Grampus 8 would not have brought this pressure. Prior to 2005 he was (SAF excepted) top of the tree. Post 2005 he could, until now, have been excused by virtue of his need to re-build.

He is now exposed, and must be feeling disillusioned and perhaps nonplussed as to how a team on which he has lavished so much effort and belief, and that undoubtedly had the footballing ability to succeed, failed so spectacularly. For me, it really isn't difficult to imagine him on the shakiest ground that he has been on, in terms of his own understanding of how to address the team's problems. All managers can bring in players. The big question is what AW is capable of doing in other areas - and whether he truly knows what to do. Because this ain't happened to him before.

He tried the same experiment with monaco after he won the ligue 1 with them. Suffice to say he was sacked when he turned them into a journeymans club like he's done with us. He soon found himself in the backwater of football management in the japanese league where david dein got him.

[IBK]

That bodes well, then!

[Cripps_orig]

Tottenham Hotspur defender William Gallas believes Arsene Wenger made a mistake in letting him leave Arsenal.
Gallas departed Emirates Stadium for bitter rivals Spurs last summer after failing to agree a new contract with the Gunners.
And the 33-year-old demonstrated he can still cut it in the Premier League following a solid debut season at White Hart Lane.
Of his decision to part company with the Gunners, Gallas told L'Equipe: "I left Arsenal because we could not agree on a financial level.
"They decided to not make the effort to keep me, it is a choice I respect, and they respected the fact I didn't want the wages they proposed.
Wrong

"In the street, Arsenal's fans asked me why I left. The coach thought I was a finished player. I proved he was wrong."
Gallas endured a controversial time at Arsenal, in particular during his period as captain of the club.
Reflecting on his much-publicised clashes with a number of his former Gunners team-mates, he said: "When I was captain I wanted to give a message, but they didn't get it.
"I may have been clumsy, but the substance was right.
Ugly duckling

"I came from Chelsea where I won titles, and I wanted to share my experience, because I thought we missed commitment in our work.
"My message has not been understood and I am also responsible for that. But unfortunately the last season showed that team still misses something.
"It is too easy to say all the Arsenal problems came from William Gallas."
Gallas also commented on his relationship with French compatriot Samir Nasri, the pair having fallen out after a dispute over France's Euro 2008 campaign.
He stated: "Samir Nasri? People tried to show me as an ugly duckling, but the images showed the contrary. Samir Nasri knows the problem. He can't lie to himself."

Didnt want to start a new thread but i agree with Gallas.

Wenger made a mistake letting him go. He played well for Spuds and hes better than all of our CBs

[selassie]

Didnt want to start a new thread but i agree with Gallas.

Wenger made a mistake letting him go. He played well for Spuds and hes better than all of our CBs

IMHO He's not better than Vermaelen, but I agree he's better than everybody else.

I think Kos or Djourou have some way to go before they get to his level.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Didnt want to start a new thread but i agree with Gallas.

Wenger made a mistake letting him go. He played well for Spuds and hes better than all of our CBs

Wengers Mistake was not replacing him/ not letting him go. Had we replaced with with a top notch CB Gallas would still be an after thought.

[Cripps_orig]

Wengers Mistake was not replacing him/ not letting him go. Had we replaced with with a top notch CB Gallas would still be an after thought.

Well we did buy 2 CBs last summer

They did well.....

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Well we did buy 2 CBs last summer

They did well.....

hence i said a top notch one.

[IBK]

Maybe the original mistake was giving him the captaincy...

I have to say that Gallas' feelings look a bit more justified now.

[Cripps_orig]

Under Gallas' captaincy, we came the closest to winning the title since we last won it.

For all of his shenanigans after that Brum game, it was after the game and didnt cost us that match. Clichy and inept officiating did.

But the same problems we had that season is the same problems we have now.

We have made no improvements in the 3 years and in fact imo we are worse.

Wenger needs to go