Alexis Sanchez (official).

[Power n Glory]

More a case of hindsight isn't it? As more of these disasters unfold so do patterns that allow you to look back on past events with a new perspective. After all this time, what top player would want to be here if he's serious about winning? The money doesn't come into it either, players can get more elsewhere (unless they are sub-standard, in which case this is the place to be.)

I've been saying the same thing about RVP and Song for ages in the way the club tried to smear their reputation. It’s not hindsight for me. For RVP, I'm talking before the 'little boy' in him spoke and before he started celebrating goals against us like a cunt.

RVP's contract talks dragged on for ages. Unlike Sanchez, he wasn't dropped, but the club kept feeding the press stories about not being able to afford his wages despite no official offer being made or number discussed. PHW coming out and saying we can’t afford the sort of wages City can pay. Remember? Sounds very similar to what Sir Chip has recently said about our contract rebels. The statement being that we’re prepared to lose both players. Wenger even said that he didn’t think it was right to offer a player close to 30 a massive contract when he’s most likely to lose form and play less in the final years of his deal. We had no intention of offering RVP a deal and were trying to attract bids from other clubs but only Utd and Juve were interested.

Song was a funny case as well. Contact talks were due and the club kept knocking him back. When they decided to sell him to Barca, a story leaks that he was disruptive in training. How classy of us! Since when was he disruptive and since when did we leak shit like that to the press? The fans were being handled. Under the Stan and Ivan regime, PR is everything and the last thing they want is for us to look like a selling club. They saw the reaction from the fans when we sold Nasri and Cesc. I still firmly believe it was Gazidis and his cronies doing most of the leg work for the transfer deadline day panic. He’s more in tune with the sentiment of the fans but still a devious shit.

It’s all well and good everyone now saying Sanchez can do better but the day he makes a statement about wanting out and trying to force a move or if he wants to play for one of our rivals…that’s when the narrative shifts. Happens all the time. With RVP, he’s acted like a complete shite since leaving but people on here forget what they were saying before he left and how he ended up at Utd. The club sold him and were unwilling to offer him a massive contract. But he wasn’t even asking for more money. He wanted to know about the players we were signing and our ‘sporting ambition’. Sound familiar again? Remember the day Henry questioned Wenger in the same way and dropped for the North London Derby after? Question Wenger’s tactics or challenge his authority and he gets defensive and agitated. In fact, it comes across as petty and illogical. You only have to watch his interviews when challenged to see how rattled he gets.

[Özim]

I've been saying the same thing about RVP and Song for ages in the way the club tried to smear their reputation. It’s not hindsight for me. For RVP, I'm talking before the 'little boy' in him spoke and before he started celebrating goals against us like a cunt.

RVP's contract talks dragged on for ages. Unlike Sanchez, he wasn't dropped, but the club kept feeding the press stories about not being able to afford his wages despite no official offer being made or number discussed. PHW coming out and saying we can’t afford the sort of wages City can pay. Remember? Sounds very similar to what Sir Chip has recently said about our contract rebels. The statement being that we’re prepared to lose both players. Wenger even said that he didn’t think it was right to offer a player close to 30 a massive contract when he’s most likely to lose form and play less in the final years of his deal. We had no intention of offering RVP a deal and were trying to attract bids from other clubs but only Utd and Juve were interested.

Song was a funny case as well. Contact talks were due and the club kept knocking him back. When they decided to sell him to Barca, a story leaks that he was disruptive in training. How classy of us! Since when was he disruptive and since when did we leak shit like that to the press? The fans were being handled. Under the Stan and Ivan regime, PR is everything and the last thing they want is for us to look like a selling club. They saw the reaction from the fans when we sold Nasri and Cesc. I still firmly believe it was Gazidis and his cronies doing most of the leg work for the transfer deadline day panic. He’s more in tune with the sentiment of the fans but still a devious shit.

It’s all well and good everyone now saying Sanchez can do better but the day he makes a statement about wanting out and trying to force a move or if he wants to play for one of our rivals…that’s when the narrative shifts. Happens all the time. With RVP, he’s acted like a complete shite since leaving but people on here forget what they were saying before he left and how he ended up at Utd. The club sold him and were unwilling to offer him a massive contract. But he wasn’t even asking for more money. He wanted to know about the players we were signing and our ‘sporting ambition’. Sound familiar again? Remember the day Henry questioned Wenger in the same way and dropped for the North London Derby after? Question Wenger’s tactics or challenge his authority and he gets defensive and agitated. In fact, it comes across as petty and illogical. You only have to watch his interviews when challenged to see how rattled he gets.

Totally agree, the club have been very clever, always shifting the blame away from themselves and onto the players who left, what's wrong with a top player questioning your ambition when you come 4th every season, nothing because 4th place is pathetic target no top club should settle for, no top player in their right minds will want to waste his career just for 4th, it seems Wenger and co think they should be grateful for it however.

We're set to lose yet another one of our star players, how many times is it now, we know we've got the money now and still it looks like it's going to continue to happen. Other clubs are catching up and will overtake us soon, we've wasted the advantage of the stadium and have got nowhere with it, the only people to benefit are basically the people at the top. There's one constant throughout this whole process, Wenger, he's overseen and encouraged this change in the club and it's help attract the people we have in charge at the moment because they all wanted their share of the honey pot.

[Letters]

when you come 4th every season

[Niall_Quinn]

Totally agree, the club have been very clever, always shifting the blame away from themselves and onto the players who left, what's wrong with a top player questioning your ambition when you come 4th every season, nothing because 4th place is pathetic target no top club should settle for, no top player in their right minds will want to waste his career just for 4th, it seems Wenger and co think they should be grateful for it however.

We're set to lose yet another one of our star players, how many times is it now, we know we've got the money now and still it looks like it's going to continue to happen. Other clubs are catching up and will overtake us soon, we've wasted the advantage of the stadium and have got nowhere with it, the only people to benefit are basically the people at the top. There's one constant throughout this whole process, Wenger, he's overseen and encouraged this change in the club and it's help attract the people we have in charge at the moment because they all wanted their share of the honey pot.

The stadium move has been far from wasted. Is it 3 ranches that have been mortgaged on the back of it? And look at Wenger, it bought him how many years? Plus all that extra revenue, the increased share price.

Provided you don't mention football, it has been a roaring success.

[Bumble]

The stadium move has been far from wasted. Is it 3 ranches that have been mortgaged on the back of it? And look at Wenger, it bought him how many years? Plus all that extra revenue, the increased share price.

Provided you don't mention football, it has been a roaring success.

dont forget its allowed more fans watch the team get steadily worse.

[Niall_Quinn]

dont forget its allowed more fans watch the team get steadily worse.

And more corporate customers to buy more seats to leave empty.

The Emirates (it's even named after a corporation) is just a few yards down the road from Highbury but it seems a million miles.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

I've been saying the same thing about RVP and Song for ages in the way the club tried to smear their reputation. It’s not hindsight for me. For RVP, I'm talking before the 'little boy' in him spoke and before he started celebrating goals against us like a cunt.

RVP's contract talks dragged on for ages. Unlike Sanchez, he wasn't dropped, but the club kept feeding the press stories about not being able to afford his wages despite no official offer being made or number discussed. PHW coming out and saying we can’t afford the sort of wages City can pay. Remember? Sounds very similar to what Sir Chip has recently said about our contract rebels. The statement being that we’re prepared to lose both players. Wenger even said that he didn’t think it was right to offer a player close to 30 a massive contract when he’s most likely to lose form and play less in the final years of his deal. We had no intention of offering RVP a deal and were trying to attract bids from other clubs but only Utd and Juve were interested.

Song was a funny case as well. Contact talks were due and the club kept knocking him back. When they decided to sell him to Barca, a story leaks that he was disruptive in training. How classy of us! Since when was he disruptive and since when did we leak shit like that to the press? The fans were being handled. Under the Stan and Ivan regime, PR is everything and the last thing they want is for us to look like a selling club. They saw the reaction from the fans when we sold Nasri and Cesc. I still firmly believe it was Gazidis and his cronies doing most of the leg work for the transfer deadline day panic. He’s more in tune with the sentiment of the fans but still a devious shit.

It’s all well and good everyone now saying Sanchez can do better but the day he makes a statement about wanting out and trying to force a move or if he wants to play for one of our rivals…that’s when the narrative shifts. Happens all the time. With RVP, he’s acted like a complete shite since leaving but people on here forget what they were saying before he left and how he ended up at Utd. The club sold him and were unwilling to offer him a massive contract. But he wasn’t even asking for more money. He wanted to know about the players we were signing and our ‘sporting ambition’. Sound familiar again? Remember the day Henry questioned Wenger in the same way and dropped for the North London Derby after? Question Wenger’s tactics or challenge his authority and he gets defensive and agitated. In fact, it comes across as petty and illogical. You only have to watch his interviews when challenged to see how rattled he gets.

I partly agree, however I don't believe a player should ever question a manager. We call Wenger a dictator, as far as the players are concerned that's exactly what a manager should be. The problem is a) that so many players have legitimate cause to question the manager b) no-one else in the club infrastructure seems willing or able to.
Imagine if you will we had a competent manager in and he made a tactical instruction of his players that came out of left field and the players question it, it becomes anarchy.

[Niall_Quinn]

I partly agree, however I don't believe a player should ever question a manager. We call Wenger a dictator, as far as the players are concerned that's exactly what a manager should be. The problem is a) that so many players have legitimate cause to question the manager b) no-one else in the club infrastructure seems willing or able to.
Imagine if you will we had a competent manager in and he made a tactical instruction of his players that came out of left field and the players question it, it becomes anarchy.

You said it yourself. We have an incompetent manager. Do the players just sit there and accept that? I agree they need to be professional and play their role accordingly. But so does the manager. When everyone is doing their job then the hierarchy works. When the crazy generals are slaughtering their men then somebody probably needs to speak up. This is the inherent danger of hierarchy and authority, an unquestioning acceptance the guy in charge knows what the fuck he's doing. Personally I'd have liked to see more players questioning this manager. The fact they haven't and, if the stories are to be believed, have turned on Alexis instead doesn't fill me with any confidence that they are up to the main task at hand, striving to win. How can any of them be even partially satisfied with the shit that is going on? "Losing the dressing room", happens. It's a fact of football life. Plenty of managers have walked as a result. It can leave a bad taste, as with Leicester most recently, and especially if the players haven't been delivering themselves. But Alexis has been delivering since they day he arrived. Can he not expect the same commitment from the manager and players at this "big club"? If the other players don't agree with him then fine, but to come out in support of this shitheap of a manager, as Ramsey has done, is just a joke. Ramsey? Who has spent the last two seasons playing like a pub reserve? Shut it Ramsey and get your own house in order, then you can have an opinion. At least Alexis has done the business before opening his mouth.

And I'm also seeing that old cliche, no player is bigger than the club. Fine. Well neither is any manager bigger than the club.

Oh, except at Arsenal.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

You said it yourself. We have an incompetent manager. Do the players just sit there and accept that? I agree they need to be professional and play their role accordingly. But so does the manager. When everyone is doing their job then the hierarchy works. When the crazy generals are slaughtering their men then somebody probably needs to speak up. This is the inherent danger of hierarchy and authority, an unquestioning acceptance the guy in charge knows what the fuck he's doing. Personally I'd have liked to see more players questioning this manager. The fact they haven't and, if the stories are to be believed, have turned on Alexis instead doesn't fill me with any confidence that they are up to the main task at hand, striving to win. How can any of them be even partially satisfied with the shit that is going on? "Losing the dressing room", happens. It's a fact of football life. Plenty of managers have walked as a result. It can leave a bad taste, as with Leicester most recently, and especially if the players haven't been delivering themselves. But Alexis has been delivering since they day he arrived. Can he not expect the same commitment from the manager and players at this "big club"? If the other players don't agree with him then fine, but to come out in support of this shitheap of a manager, as Ramsey has done, is just a joke. Ramsey? Who has spent the last two seasons playing like a pub reserve? Shut it Ramsey and get your own house in order, then you can have an opinion. At least Alexis has done the business before opening his mouth.

And I'm also seeing that old cliche, no player is bigger than the club. Fine. Well neither is any manager bigger than the club.

Oh, except at Arsenal.

I think my point was that, some players may just be arse holes and some may feel like they have no recourse because no-one above the manager is questioning him

[Power n Glory]

I partly agree, however I don't believe a player should ever question a manager. We call Wenger a dictator, as far as the players are concerned that's exactly what a manager should be. The problem is a) that so many players have legitimate cause to question the manager b) no-one else in the club infrastructure seems willing or able to.
Imagine if you will we had a competent manager in and he made a tactical instruction of his players that came out of left field and the players question it, it becomes anarchy.

But we don't have a competent manager. That's a different scenario and we're not talking about tactical instructions either. These aren't just any players either. I think the majority of his captains have openly questioned our transfer strategy.