Alexis Sanchez (official).

[Bumble]

The stadium move has been far from wasted. Is it 3 ranches that have been mortgaged on the back of it? And look at Wenger, it bought him how many years? Plus all that extra revenue, the increased share price.

Provided you don't mention football, it has been a roaring success.

dont forget its allowed more fans watch the team get steadily worse.

[Niall_Quinn]

I partly agree, however I don't believe a player should ever question a manager. We call Wenger a dictator, as far as the players are concerned that's exactly what a manager should be. The problem is a) that so many players have legitimate cause to question the manager b) no-one else in the club infrastructure seems willing or able to.
Imagine if you will we had a competent manager in and he made a tactical instruction of his players that came out of left field and the players question it, it becomes anarchy.

You said it yourself. We have an incompetent manager. Do the players just sit there and accept that? I agree they need to be professional and play their role accordingly. But so does the manager. When everyone is doing their job then the hierarchy works. When the crazy generals are slaughtering their men then somebody probably needs to speak up. This is the inherent danger of hierarchy and authority, an unquestioning acceptance the guy in charge knows what the fuck he's doing. Personally I'd have liked to see more players questioning this manager. The fact they haven't and, if the stories are to be believed, have turned on Alexis instead doesn't fill me with any confidence that they are up to the main task at hand, striving to win. How can any of them be even partially satisfied with the shit that is going on? "Losing the dressing room", happens. It's a fact of football life. Plenty of managers have walked as a result. It can leave a bad taste, as with Leicester most recently, and especially if the players haven't been delivering themselves. But Alexis has been delivering since they day he arrived. Can he not expect the same commitment from the manager and players at this "big club"? If the other players don't agree with him then fine, but to come out in support of this shitheap of a manager, as Ramsey has done, is just a joke. Ramsey? Who has spent the last two seasons playing like a pub reserve? Shut it Ramsey and get your own house in order, then you can have an opinion. At least Alexis has done the business before opening his mouth.

And I'm also seeing that old cliche, no player is bigger than the club. Fine. Well neither is any manager bigger than the club.

Oh, except at Arsenal.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

You said it yourself. We have an incompetent manager. Do the players just sit there and accept that? I agree they need to be professional and play their role accordingly. But so does the manager. When everyone is doing their job then the hierarchy works. When the crazy generals are slaughtering their men then somebody probably needs to speak up. This is the inherent danger of hierarchy and authority, an unquestioning acceptance the guy in charge knows what the fuck he's doing. Personally I'd have liked to see more players questioning this manager. The fact they haven't and, if the stories are to be believed, have turned on Alexis instead doesn't fill me with any confidence that they are up to the main task at hand, striving to win. How can any of them be even partially satisfied with the shit that is going on? "Losing the dressing room", happens. It's a fact of football life. Plenty of managers have walked as a result. It can leave a bad taste, as with Leicester most recently, and especially if the players haven't been delivering themselves. But Alexis has been delivering since they day he arrived. Can he not expect the same commitment from the manager and players at this "big club"? If the other players don't agree with him then fine, but to come out in support of this shitheap of a manager, as Ramsey has done, is just a joke. Ramsey? Who has spent the last two seasons playing like a pub reserve? Shut it Ramsey and get your own house in order, then you can have an opinion. At least Alexis has done the business before opening his mouth.

And I'm also seeing that old cliche, no player is bigger than the club. Fine. Well neither is any manager bigger than the club.

Oh, except at Arsenal.

I think my point was that, some players may just be arse holes and some may feel like they have no recourse because no-one above the manager is questioning him

[Niall_Quinn]

dont forget its allowed more fans watch the team get steadily worse.

And more corporate customers to buy more seats to leave empty.

The Emirates (it's even named after a corporation) is just a few yards down the road from Highbury but it seems a million miles.

[Power n Glory]

I partly agree, however I don't believe a player should ever question a manager. We call Wenger a dictator, as far as the players are concerned that's exactly what a manager should be. The problem is a) that so many players have legitimate cause to question the manager b) no-one else in the club infrastructure seems willing or able to.
Imagine if you will we had a competent manager in and he made a tactical instruction of his players that came out of left field and the players question it, it becomes anarchy.

But we don't have a competent manager. That's a different scenario and we're not talking about tactical instructions either. These aren't just any players either. I think the majority of his captains have openly questioned our transfer strategy.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

But we don't have a competent manager. That's a different scenario and we're not talking about tactical instructions either. These aren't just any players either. I think the majority of his captains have openly questioned our transfer strategy.

I wasn't referring to Wenger but all managers, for me it's not for a Captain to question a manager's transfer strategy that's for his bosses to do

Of course Wenger is incompetent, the fact that so many players are questioning him shows that he's lost the dressing room.

My point is if a player questions the manager the player should be punished, if players are continually doing it the manager needs to be sanctioned from above.

[Niall_Quinn]

I wasn't referring to Wenger but all managers, for me it's not for a Captain to question a manager's transfer strategy that's for his bosses to do

Of course Wenger is incompetent, the fact that so many players are questioning him shows that he's lost the dressing room.

My point is if a player questions the manager the player should be punished, if players are continually doing it the manager needs to be sanctioned from above.

I get that. But Arsenal is the glaring exception. Ridiculously it's up to the fans and the players to put this club back on track now. Nobody else is going to do it or is capable of doing it. What a bloody mess it all is. Somehow, in a couple of seasons, we've gone from being stable compared to the mess Ferguson left Utd in, to being in an even worse situation. It shows that when you let something rot for so long it will fall apart very quickly once a critical point is reached. Two more years of this guy would be catastrophic.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

I get that. But Arsenal is the glaring exception. Ridiculously it's up to the fans and the players to put this club back on track now. Nobody else is going to do it or is capable of doing it. What a bloody mess it all is. Somehow, in a couple of seasons, we've gone from being stable compared to the mess Ferguson left Utd in, to being in an even worse situation. It shows that when you let something rot for so long it will fall apart very quickly once a critical point is reached. Two more years of this guy would be catastrophic.

Also love how journalists are now trying to protect the integrity of the story they are running with by saying it doesn't come from the club, well no it wouldn't...not directly....it's still a classic briefing leak.

[Power n Glory]

I wasn't referring to Wenger but all managers, for me it's not for a Captain to question a manager's transfer strategy that's for his bosses to do

Of course Wenger is incompetent, the fact that so many players are questioning him shows that he's lost the dressing room.

My point is if a player questions the manager the player should be punished, if players are continually doing it the manager needs to be sanctioned from above.

It’s a bit pointless discussing hypothetical scenarios for this sort of case. We’d all like a component manager that’s able to discipline players but also listen and be flexible. With Captain’s I think they’d have earned the right to voice that sort of opinion to manager if done in a respectful way.

But I’m more so referring to RVP’s case. If you’re about to commit the rest of your career to club, why wouldn’t you ask about the clubs future strategy? If this were being treated like we were trying to sign a new transfer target , I’m sure Wenger would do the old personal touch charm and do his best to convince a player to sign. If said player were to ask about new signings, I doubt it would be met with such hostility.

I really can’t understand how Wenger and Ivan went to meet with RVP and failed to mention the new sponsorship deals that would increase our spending power. Surely they must have? I imagine we were negotiating these deals at the time RVP’s contract talks were due. Why not keep him and let him leave on a free if determined to go? Take a chance and see if he changes his mind once the sponsorship deals come through. Don’t destabilise the team and sucker punch the fans by selling him to Utd. We had a choice and sold out. It’s spineless stuff.

[Niall_Quinn]

It’s a bit pointless discussing hypothetical scenarios for this sort of case. We’d all like a component manager that’s able to discipline players but also listen and be flexible. With Captain’s I think they’d have earned the right to voice that sort of opinion to manager if done in a respectful way.

But I’m more so referring to RVP’s case. If you’re about to commit the rest of your career to club, why wouldn’t you ask about the clubs future strategy? If this were being treated like we were trying to sign a new transfer target , I’m sure Wenger would do the old personal touch charm and do his best to convince a player to sign. If said player were to ask about new signings, I doubt it would be met with such hostility.

I really can’t understand how Wenger and Ivan went to meet with RVP and failed to mention the new sponsorship deals that would increase our spending power. Surely they must have? I imagine we were negotiating these deals at the time RVP’s contract talks were due. Why not keep him and let him leave on a free if determined to go? Take a chance and see if he changes his mind once the sponsorship deals come through. Don’t destabilise the team and sucker punch the fans by selling him to Utd. We had a choice and sold out. It’s spineless stuff.

You're joking, right? This lot take a financial gamble for the sake of the team? Never, ever, ever happening.