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    Quote Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie View Post
    I didn't say he wasn't. But in fairness most managers are. Most managers are only as good as their current season.

    Conte is being lauded as a genius for what he's achieved with Chelsea but hardly had nothing to spend and it's fair to say Allegri has surpassed what he achieved with Juventus. I think Conte has done well don't get me wrong, but I think views on managers tend to be ephemeral.


    I could be wrong but I still think Guardiola will come good with City. And I just thought it was a bit daft to completely rubbish Guardiola based on losing to Wenger.
    If you lose to Wenger you are a MASSIVE mug. Or you just don't have even basic finances to build a team of even average players. Wenger is the worst manager in football - by a long, long way. If you have similar resources to him and end up losing to him then that's utterly humiliating. And I BET most managers know that by now. Even worse, if you have a billion quid to spend and then go and lose to a shmuck like Wenger, Jesus, that's awful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn View Post
    If you lose to Wenger you are a MASSIVE mug. Or you just don't have even basic finances to build a team of even average players. Wenger is the worst manager in football - by a long, long way. If you have similar resources to him and end up losing to him then that's utterly humiliating. And I BET most managers know that by now. Even worse, if you have a billion quid to spend and then go and lose to a shmuck like Wenger, Jesus, that's awful.
    He's got a pretty good record for the worst manager in football

    You're smarter than silly statements like that. Wenger is a massive dinosaur on that we are agreed, he has long since past his sell by date on that we are agreed but worst manager in football doesn't even deserve debating.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie View Post
    He's got a pretty good record for the worst manager in football

    You're smarter than silly statements like that. Wenger is a massive dinosaur on that we are agreed, he has long since past his sell by date on that we are agreed but worst manager in football doesn't even deserve debating.
    Not saying he was always the worst. But he is now. Yesterday disguises nothing. The team won despite him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn View Post
    Not saying he was always the worst. But he is now. Yesterday disguises nothing. The team won despite him.
    No, No, No I get completely what you're saying, but it's still too ridiculous for debate

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    Quote Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie View Post
    No, No, No I get completely what you're saying, but it's still too ridiculous for debate
    Look, it's very simple.
    Wenger is responsible for results. Unless they're good in which case it's nothing to do with him.
    Got it? Good.

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    Seriously yeah i'm beginning to see that

    Part of the reason i want him gone is because, where was that tactical change three/four months ago when we really needed it.....he's always been behind the curve and slow to adapt. And i remember results like this in the past and face palming and thinking "why couldn't you get them playing like that before hand?"

    Now of course additional to that it's one game so it's certainly no indication that we've turned a corner, we'd need four points at least from the next two games to have the suggestion of that (and even then it would be slamming the stable door after the horse has bolted).

    But yeah I think people don't want to acknowledge Wenger did good on Sunday because it will harm the narrative

    It's understandable because people want change, and the club seem to have made it clear re-building Rome will require it to be burnt to the ground first.

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    NQ’s comments can definitely be taken with a pinch of salt but it’s premature to jump out of the window with the praise for Wenger. We’ve changed formation but tactically, that game doesn’t tell me much about our new direction or even if there is one. A better defensive performance. That’s good to see but we still had that moment when we conceded and committed too many men forward and got hit on the counter. Against City, it’s expected that we see less of the ball and will be forced to defend deep but when up against teams that will let us have the ball, I see us still getting sucker punched.

    Also, besides the defence, nobody really stepped up to the plate besides the usual suspects. Ramsey, Xhaka, Ozil and Giroud were still average. Wenger still chose to play Giroud and not Alexis or even Walcott knowing that they’d be open to the counter attack…..I’m not convinced we’ve worked out the team selection issue. As for motivation, it’s a semi final against Man City in the only comp we have a chance of winning. I’m holding back on the praise because this one game doesn’t tell me enough. Heck, we’ve beaten Pep’s team twice this season, narrowly lost 2-1 and drew 2-2.

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