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    Quote Originally Posted by Dumbledore View Post
    We're onto stage 2 of the klopp project.

    Stage 1 usually consists of him giving existing players a chance to prove themselves. He's a very loyal man. He assesses the squad and sees what he has to deal with.

    Stage 2 is when he decides who won't make the cut and signs reinforcements.

    Stage 2 is when the team usually steps up a notch.
    Agree, you can't build a team immediately, takes a bit of time to get each area correct, he's got the attack spot on, now he just needs to fix the defence which clearly he's trying to do.

    We on the other hand have a manager who can't even see the obvious, then team gives away goals left, right and centre every season and still he doesn't sign defenders or DM, it's amateurish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by selassie View Post
    I don’t think Van Dijk is a 75million pound defender, who is? but I do think he’s one of the best around in PL. He’s an all rounder, can pass, tackle, is decent in the air, quick on the ground, pretty decent reading of the game too, he has it all to reach the very top IMO.

    Sure Coutinho is a big loss to Liverpool and it weakens them but at least they are resolving problem areas, that Naby Keita they signed is a top class young midfielder, he will go some way to seriously strengthening them. Besides, their attack is quality, they won’t struggle for goals without Coutinho, creativity may be an issue though.

    I genuinely think they could win PL next season if they fix their weak areas, they need a new keeper for sure and maybe a full back but I don’t think they are a million miles away TBH.

    TBF even if they don’t hoover up the trophies at least they are trying to be competitive. We have literally just given up.
    Nobody is, nobody has paid that much for a defender; that's the point!

    I think Liverpool are a lot, lot further away than they were in 2007/2008, with perhaps similar levels of competition within the top end of the league - their goalkeeper to midfield just doesn't have the requisite quality. I can't see how spending their record transfer on this particular player is going to aid that process.

    It does make me feel a bit more understanding of why even participate in this charade.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dumbledore View Post
    Spot on. They're breaking the record on the area of the team that needs most improving.

    Meanwhile our fans are laughing. What are we doing about our dodgy defence? Going into the remaining games with Koscielny and Mustafi?
    Precisely, I love the way Arsena fans belittle other teams when they identify a problem area and pay what it takes to try and resolve it, better than leaving the same problem year after year and sticking with has beens and players who aren't good enough.

    All we do is stick the money in the bank and don't compete, we're a joke of a big club, our definition of success is getting into the top 4, it's literally all we're interested in (Lacazette said as much, we already knew anyway).

    Would love it if the English coefficient score dropped so that we had one less team entering, we'd literally have nothing to play for then and would be shown up for the also rans we really area.

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    Quote Originally Posted by McNamara That Ghost... View Post
    Nobody is, nobody has paid that much for a defender; that's the point!

    I think Liverpool are a lot, lot further away than they were in 2007/2008, with perhaps similar levels of competition within the top end of the league - their goalkeeper to midfield just doesn't have the requisite quality. I can't see how spending their record transfer on this particular player is going to aid that process.

    It does make me feel a bit more understanding of why even participate in this charade.
    Apparently this Keita guy is something special, potentially a superstar from what I read (one of the potential next big stars), so that goes a long way to addressing the midfield issue.

    They need to fix their defence and goalkeeper and clearly they can see this and are addressing the defensive issues (if you ask me our defence is just as bad if not worse and you don't see us in for any defenders, never mind paying big bucks for one), if they fix those areas they won't be far away as their attack is pretty great, they also play some great stuff.

    Would swap their situation for ours anyday of the week, a team trying to progress vs a team of has beens only heading one way and about to lose their two best players.

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    I think with Liverpool it’s as much how they are setup as it is the playing personnel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Özim View Post
    Apparently this Keita guy is something special, potentially a superstar from what I read (one of the potential next big stars), so that goes a long way to addressing the midfield issue.

    They need to fix their defence and goalkeeper and clearly they can see this and are addressing the defensive issues (if you ask me our defence is just as bad if not worse and you don't see us in for any defenders, never mind paying big bucks for one), if they fix those areas they won't be far away as their attack is pretty great, they also play some great stuff.

    Would swap their situation for ours anyday of the week, a team trying to progress vs a team of has beens only heading one way.
    Hmmm so you don't really know anything about Keita then? I don't think it's really fair to make him a tick as a rectification for midfield problems, as you say, he's a young player.

    I don't see how spending such a sum on one defender is rectifying the issues, it seems like a temporary plaster to me as MO adroitly pointed out earlier.

    I'm struggling to think how we've ended up with the defenders we have now if we don't go for any defenders. As ever with us, it's also the midfield allowing runners from deep which puts us under so much pressure.

    However all of this is sidetalk to how perverse the market is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by McNamara That Ghost... View Post
    Hmmm so you don't really know anything about Keita then? I don't think it's really fair to make him a tick as a rectification for midfield problems, as you say, he's a young player.

    I don't see how spending such a sum on one defender is rectifying the issues, it seems like a temporary plaster to me as MO adroitly pointed out earlier.

    I'm struggling to think how we've ended up with the defenders we have now if we don't go for any defenders. As ever with us, it's also the midfield allowing runners from deep which puts us under so much pressure.

    However all of this is sidetalk to how perverse the market is.
    I don't know mcuh about him as I don't follow the Bundesligue, I really only just read an article where he was mentioned as one of the players who could take up the mantle from players like Messi and Ronaldo (alongside players like Neymar and a few others), on that basis he's clearly very highly rated, he cost 50 million as well in the summer which is big bucks for a player from the Bundersligue tbh.

    It can't hurt, he's a very good defender, it's as much about getting the right pairing in the centre of defence as the player and he could certainly help with that, he certainly won't make them any worse.

    We've bought defenders, but none of them top class, mostly they've been relatively unknown cheapish buys, Mustafi is the exception but with that one we bought him late in the window and Valencia knew we were desperate, we overpaid basically. We've had Koscielny quite a while, as with most other defenders, Holding was brought in as a project, but in my eyes none of them were ready made top quality signings. The issue about midfield is very valid, but we've needed a decent DM for longer than I can remember and Wenger just refuses to sign one (another other manager would have by now), unless you count Xhaka, who can't tackle, can't read the game and to be honest is slow, ponderous and can't pass under pressure.

    Regardless of our midfield though, the defence is incredibly error prone, many of the errors are errors you would see in a pub league.

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    Quote Originally Posted by selassie View Post
    People are laughing at them for overpaying but as you rightly said they are addressing their weakest areas by purchasing the very best players available to them within their budget. That Naby Keita the midfielder they signed from Leipzig is absolute quality too.

    They are putting us to shame in the ambition stakes, it’s not even funny anymore, it’s gone way beyond that.

    This time next year they will be miles ahead of us, you can quote me on that.
    Bunch of voyeurs! Why can't we just mind our business? Fucking Arsenal fans! Besides the manager and players really pissing me off, the fans are getting on my nerves as well. Joke of a club.

    We'll laugh at what clubs are paying for certain players now but when such teams overtake us in the league we'll point to their transfer spending as the reason why. Some will never lean. As you've pointed out, this is about trying to address the weak areas in your team. A ludicrous price tag but it shows how much Klopp wants to address a problem and how much pressure he is under.

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    Doesnt matter how much we spend... with Wenger in charge, we will not go anywhere. At least another 1.5 years of this shit.
    Arsene Wenger, the only football manager that got paid 8 million quid to do nothing but sit on his arse..

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    Never seen Keita play a full 90 neither.....but if he is anything like some of his hype then the combination of him and Van Dijk added to their first team is astonishingly good. The price tag is nuts, but personnel wise I'm pretty impressed.

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