Wenger's future, possible extension and possible... departure?

[Özim]

You can see that Tuchel is way way overhyped just from this board, seems to be flavour of the week in the press too, so people jump on the bandwagon.

Sorry but you can't compare a guy who has had two seasons, where his performance wasn't all that great with managers who have actually won trophies, not being funny but he's totally unproven, he needs to get another job at a non elite club and deliver before he can even come close to be considered top class.

In my eyes his performance at Dortmund wasn't great, it would be different if he'd built a team that looked the part, but IMO his team played good football yes, but weren't ruthless enough and were shocking defensively (remind you of anyone?).

As I said before we need a more disciplined coach who can drill our defence, make us a better unit and is more tactically astute, someone who doesn't just send out his team to play the same way regardless of opposition.

[Özim]

TEG, there is absolutely no way Tuchel is on the same level as Jardim and Allegri. What are you basing this on?

Also you are rating Tuchel above Conte?!!!

It's baseless, we're comparing guys who have won big trophies in big leagues with a guy that's only one a tin pot trophy, tht's why I say this guy is way too overhyped, you'd think he'd won the treble and outdone Bayern by the way some people are talking.

[selassie]

Barkley's a dud but Drinkwater's been very solid this season and getting praise

i'm slightly bothered by Conte's managing to win the league but still fall out with the Chelski heriarchy, but i think he would be good for us - a real breath of fresh air, kick the players up the arse and drive through change at the club

Drinkwater is OK...but from the little I have seen of Chelsea he doesn't start for them in the big games.

I think they could of got a better player for the 35million they spent on him. He doesn't really excel in anything...and I certainly wouldn't want him at Arsenal.

My point here is that from what I understand, Conte threw his toys out the pram because the hierarchy at Chelsea weren't prepared to back him with big signings. He settled for mediocrity IMO, the likes of Drinkwater and Barkley don't improve Chelsea. We slate Wenger for making these types of signings...and I certainly wouldn't want Conte here spending millions on Duds.

[Cripps]

Enrique had won La Liga twice and done the Treble before getting sacked. Conte has won multiple titles with Juve and won a title with Chelsea. He's managed Italy! Yet you'd rank Tuchel as a teir one manager with only a domestic cup to his name above both of them?

With that sort of logical thinking, you could rank Brendan Rodgers and Arsene Wenger as top teir managers.

Zim was right to point out that fans on here were pulling the same hypothetical calculations for David Moyes until he finally landed a top job at Man Utd and was totally exposed. We all used to think the same about Wenger with the 'what could have been' scenarios if he had more money! It's only after seeing a consistent pattern of CL run failures and seeing that Wenger has a serious mental block in Europe that we realised that Wenger has a problem and it's not the personnel.

After two seasons with Dortmund, it is too short of a window to rank Tuchel with the guys that have actually won league titles and stronger records in Europe. Let's just wait and see what he does.

Enrique doesn't excite me for some reason

He was average at Roma where he won 17 and lost 16, and had a 37% win ratio at Celta. He went to Barca and won everything but as I've mentioned already, winning at Barca isn't really that difficult He had the best players and infrastructure at his disposal, I don't know why but Tuchel seems more appealing and excites me more despite winning less

[Power n Glory]

TEG, there is absolutely no way Tuchel is on the same level as Jardim and Allegri. What are you basing this on?

Also you are rating Tuchel above Conte?!!!

Smoking!

[Power n Glory]

Enrique doesn't excite me for some reason

He was average at Roma where he won 17 and lost 16, and had a 37% win ratio at Celta. He went to Barca and won everything but as I've mentioned already, winning at Barca isn't really that difficult He had the best players and infrastructure at his disposal, I don't know why but Tuchel seems more appealing and excites me more despite winning less

No problem if that's your preference. I'm not a fan of Luis Enrique either. But I wouldn’t rank Tuchel above him.

I get what you mean about coaches that have glittering CV's because they've managed at big clubs. I often wonder if they'd be able to transform our club into one of the heavy hitters.

But if Tuchel is the type of coach that needs a bigger club, better infrastructure to excel, then he's no better than Luis Enrique. What makes him the right man for Arsenal? It's not as if he transformed Dortmund into a different club. That was Klopp's work.

[Özim]

No problem if that's your preference. I'm not a fan of Luis Enrique either. But I wouldn’t rank Tuchel above him.

I get what you mean about coaches that have glittering CV's because they've managed at big clubs. I often wonder if they'd be able to transform our club into one of the heavy hitters.

But if Tuchel is the type of coach that needs a bigger club, better infrastructure to excel, then he's no better than Luis Enrique. What makes him the right man for Arsenal? It's not as if he transformed Dortmund into a different club. That was Klopp's work.

Yeah totally agree, for me Dortmund was all Klopp, he's the one that turned them into the team they were, the football, the players, the success, Tuchel just inherited a very talented squad and didn't really do much with it or impress, if anything in Europe they looked far less clinical and much more brittle than under Klopp.

If he'd gone in and really changed things and made them a force, I'd agree, but from what I saw they were less of a force than before, that defeat to Liverpool was a real shocker, in complete control and then giving away essentially a 3 goal advantage twice showed real tactical naivety IMO.

[Marc Overmars]

Would definitely take Conte over Tuchel. He's not the first Chelsea manager to fall out with those above him and he won't be the last. League titles in Italy and here, he's a slam dunk of a candidate IMO. Also, he won his titles with Juve when they weren't the dominant force they are now, they were also rans in the seasons prior to his appointment.

[Globalgunner]

Would definitely take Conte over Tuchel. He's not the first Chelsea manager to fall out with those above him and he won't be the last. League titles in Italy and here, he's a slam dunk of a candidate IMO. Also, he won his titles with Juve when they weren't the dominant force they are now, they were also rans in the seasons prior to his appointment.

Another black mark against Conte imo is how he falls out with players. His fall out with Diego Costa is what basically has landed him in his current predicament with Chelsea. Sure he felt Morata would do the business but he threw away a 25 goal striker in a fit of pique. A manager should always see the big picture. Costa may have been a cunt, but unless he was caught shagging other players wives, why dump him so carelessly. I dont wantus to employ another manager who thinks its all about him. Maybe its an Italian thing. Roberto Mancini was also an egomaniac

[Marc Overmars]

Another black mark against Conte imo is how he falls out with players. His fall out with Diego Costa is what basically has landed him in his current predicament with Chelsea. Sure he felt Morata would do the business but he threw away a 25 goal striker in a fit of pique. A manager should always see the big picture. Costa may have been a cunt, but unless he was caught shagging other players wives, why dump him so carelessly. I dont wantus to employ another manager who thinks its all about him. Maybe its an Italian thing. Roberto Mancini was also an egomaniac

Oh yeah I forgot about Costa, that was weird.

Every new manager will want to do things their way though, some players will embrace it while others will have their noses put out of joint. I'd like to see how our little lambs take to a more demanding regime.