Wenger Referendum: Yes Or No

[Globalgunner]

We're all sick of the endless Groundhog Day and we pretty much all agree that we need to move on from Wenger.
But would some of the names being banded around actually be better?

Last season you went on and on about Rodgers but Liverpool have been nowhere this season. They are picking up now so they could yet finish top 4 but they didn't sustain their title challenge to the end last year and they've not challenged this year. Suarez being on insane form and having no European football last year did help them, they've struggled to sustain let alone build on last season.

Klopp was hailed as the answer but this year Dortmund have spent much of this season fighting relegation.

Some people were even touting Moyes a couple of years back

Wenger is, if nothing else, consistent. I think you underestimate how hard that is. Perennial top 4 finishes aren't the be all and end all - although they were vital in the early days of the Emirates when we had to get the CL income - but he's been a safe pair of hands and will probably continue to be. You seem to be under the impression that Wenger is so clueless that any idiot will come along and be better. I'm don't believe that's the case.

Your metronomic same as always defence of Wenger as a safe pair of hands convinces few. In fact you and Ollie need to do a name swap as even he has come to see reality for what is is a never ending cycle of running faster to stay in the same place. Few managers are guaranteed to succeed. Ancelotti was great at Milan for a few seasons then stagnated badly and was kicked out. Koeman tanked badly at Valencia. Yet here he is now. Even Moyes, rightly derided after his United debacle is doing better than anyone expected at Sociedad. Bottom line is Wenger is 65, peaked as a manager 10 years ago and is declining rapidly before our very eyes. We could keep spending (frittering) more millions to stay 4th but nowadays that position is mostly a prestige trinket more than anything else. The one thing most people accept is that we will never win the CL under Wenger. He will always be found out in that higher calibre of manager. So our only reason for being it is the money, the prestige and the power of attracting players. Players who will soon move on after seeing our no hoper reality for themselves. We have seen it before. What perturbs me the most is that 4th place no longer guarantees anything. 10 years ago the EPL only had 3 places. The more we tank in Europe along with City and Pool, the more likely we will see us revert to 3 participants only. Everything is transient. We cannot be afraid of failing and so never make a change. Wenger loves this job, left to his own devices he will be here another decade. The excuse that other managers could be worse is not viable. Right now I would take any of 15 coaches in the Premier league ahead of Wenger.

[Letters]

Your metronomic same as always defence of Wenger as a safe pair of hands convinces few.

I'm not trying to convince anyone of that or debating it. He has been a safe pair of hands. We have qualified for the CL every year under him and while I accept we'll never win it under him you say later in your post the 'only' reason for being in it...and then go on to list 3 very important reasons. Clubs are spending silly money to try and break into the top 4 and none have consistently succeeded, apart from Wenger. I think we all agre he is not the right man to push on but it's disrespectful (and clearly untrue) to think that any idiot can do better (I'm not sure if anyone has actually said that but the way people talk about him on hear implies they think that) and Wenger deserves credit for what he's done for us and if he left at the end of the season (I doubt he will) he'd leave us with a very good squad and in great shape financially. I saw today that we have a surplus of over £100m, Utd have debts of over £300m. Wenger has his faults which make us all want to throttle him sometimes but he isn't the clueless buffoon some on here make out.

[Injury Time]

I'm not trying to convince anyone of that or debating it. He has been a safe pair of hands. We have qualified for the CL every year under him and while I accept we'll never win it under him you say later in your post the 'only' reason for being in it...and then go on to list 3 very important reasons. Clubs are spending silly money to try and break into the top 4 and none have consistently succeeded, apart from Wenger. I think we all agre he is not the right man to push on but it's disrespectful (and clearly untrue) to think that any idiot can do better (I'm not sure if anyone has actually said that but the way people talk about him on hear implies they think that) and Wenger deserves credit for what he's done for us and if he left at the end of the season (I doubt he will) he'd leave us with a very good squad and in great shape financially. I saw today that we have a surplus of over £100m, Utd have debts of over £300m. Wenger has his faults which make us all want to throttle him sometimes but he isn't the clueless buffoon some on here make out.

Minus £82m we owe on transfers....
Wenger little bit 2% short of domination

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Right now I would take any of 15 coaches in the Premier league ahead of Wenger

Really?. Now for me that argument smacks of familiarity breeding contempt, that some fans are so bored of how things are currently that they would literally take anyone.

Rodgers is a fraud who is just as tactically naive as Wenger (and just look at the amount of money he's wasted on players)
Pellegrini much the same, filled that City squad with a load of average players since he took over
Mourinho we couldn't have here because his narcassism would destroy any shred of integrity we still maintain to have as a club
Van Gaal is an arrogant fool who is as much of a dinosaur as Wenger in his coaching and training methods (look at the injuries they have, it's no coincidence)
Koeman and Pochetinno have potential but we all said the same about Martinez last season and look how much he's struggling this season

No other manager in the Premier League is even worth mentioning. And you mention Moyes and Real Sociedad?. Firstly that's about the level of club management that Moyes is good for, second of all is he really actually doing that well there?.....this is a team that qualified for the Champions League two seasons ago and hasn't won away from home at all this season.

I'm sick of the same year in, year out......i'm sick of the same mistakes.....but i'm not prepared for things to get worse just for change for changes' sake.

Wenger's time is up, whether it's now or whether he limps on till 2017, but it's not just about getting rid of him it's about bringing someone in who can take us forward.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

And frankly i'd rather keep Wenger till 2017 if it meant getting in someone like Guardiola, than getting rid of him at the end of the season and ending up with someone like Roberto Martinez.

[Globalgunner]

Yes you are right i am familiar with Wengers horseshit and I have nothing but contempt for it. He is doing nothing special. We are the 4th richest team in the EPL and he regularly comes 4th. Why does he deserve special praise for that?. We have never has a history of employing top managers and we somehow have accumulated more titles than anyone except United. So no, we dont have to wait for Guardiola . If Wenger got struck by lightning tomorrow anyone of 15 managers would still get 4th...and we wouldn't regularly get humiliated like we do now.

[Maestro]

amazing how we are lying in 3rd position in the league, within a whisker of 2nd ..after what we consider to have been a poor season so far.

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