Non home grown

[Özim]

We know nothing of Arsenal's finances and what they do or do not give their staff, if you know please share the facts?

As I said in response to Letters's post we do not know what kind of financial severance package Gunnersaurus was given! All you are doing is speculating and you do not have one bit of factual evidence to support what you are stating.

You use the example of the transfer and then state about 30k for Gunnersaurus, for all we know Arsenal may have paid him off 100K! We don't know...so to complain from the rooftops about a situation you are not privy to is plain weird!

It's quite telling how quiet Gunnersaurus has been, maybe he his happy with his severance package considering Arsenal stated that he will be re-employed once things are back to normal!

We can get a decent idea based on their previous behaviour, the way they conduct business and the fact they decided to make staff redundant when they didn't have to during a pandemic.

Ignoring that however, getting rid of someone who has worked for you for 27 years and then spending 45 million + fees and wages is just plain wrong, there's no defending it.

As for Gunnersaurus, well not everybody shouts it from the rooftops when they get made redundant, that's more something that happens in modern culture, so that's a moot point.

[selassie]

We can get a decent idea based on their previous behaviour, the way they conduct business and the fact they decided to make staff redundant when they didn't have to during a pandemic.

Ignoring that however, getting rid of someone who has worked for you for 27 years and then spending 45 million + fees and wages is just plain wrong, there's no defending it.

As for Gunnersaurus, well not everybody shouts it from the rooftops when they get made redundant, that's more something that happens in modern culture, so that's a moot point.

What previous behaviour?

Have you ever thought to consider the redundancy pay offs may have been much better than furlough offerings?

You do realize that Redundancy payouts can sometimes benefit people, especially redundancy payouts from corporate firms such as Arsenal.

Some people are actually better off if they are paid off with a full 12 months salary, with 30k of that salary being tax free!

Moreover, Gunnersaurus hasn't been permanently made redundant!

[Letters]

I think the optics of making Gunnersaurus redundant on the same day as activating Partey's release clause for the reasons i've given above are not linked and are irrelevant given nobody knows what kind of severance package Gunnersaurs was given. Gunnersaurus may actually be finanically better off now! So all this talk of disillusionment may be a waste of time given we do not know the financials behind the redundancies!

When I talk about optics I mean how it looks. And how it looks is that they are driving trucks of money up to Ozil's house and to Atletico Madrid to get Partey while shitting on the little man, the man who has quietly worked for the club for decades and whose salary is trivial compared with the amounts they're spunking elsewhere. You do make a good point about his redundancy pay, he might actually have done pretty well out of this but people are fed up of these prima-donna, here today, gone tomorrow footballers getting obscene amounts of money. Especially when they're not fit to lace the boots of some of our best players. It just feels increasingly like clubs have lost any connection with their fans or the "common man", we identify a lot more with the Gunnersaurus dude than we do these mercenary footballers. So when we see him getting shafted (again, I agree he might not have been, but that's how it looks) then it doesn't come across well. At best doing it on the same day was tone deaf.

I also think Mesut Ozil's pathetic cheap shot at the club via Instagram regarding offering to pay Gunnersaurus's wages exposed Mesut for the complete tosser he is. This is a man who refused to take a paycut when all the other members of the team did,

From what I understand Ozil asked for certain assurances before agreeing a pay cut. What are the club going to do with that money? Are they going to assure that none of the non-playing staff will get made redundant? Arsenal refused to give those assurances so Ozil told them to get stuffed. People are disillusioned with Ozil but they're disillusioned with lots of things in the modern game. Arsenal have not covered themselves in glory with any of this.

[Özim]

What previous behaviour?

Have you ever thought to consider the redundancy pay offs may have been much better than furlough offerings?

You do realize that Redundancy payouts can sometimes benefit people, especially redundancy payouts from corporate firms such as Arsenal.

Some people are actually better off if they are paid off with a full 12 months salary, with 30k of that salary being tax free!

Moreover, Gunnersaurus hasn't been permanently made redundant!

The thing is though they didn't need to furlough him, they have enough money as demonstrated by the 45 million they spent.

I would hardly call redundancy a benefit, yes some people accept voluntary redundancy, perhaps realising their days are numbered and they'd better take what they can get, or perhaps they are ready to retire or to have a change, but what happens if you take the money then 2 years later you still haven't found a new job? It also creates uncertainty in your life because you don't have a regular income, you won't find too many people who will paint redundancy as beneficial to be honest, most people will class redundancy as a negative (there's always anomalies but that's generally the case).

Well he has now that Ozil offered to pay his salary, but if they are paying him handsomely and he'll be back in a year why make him redundant at all, it would surely cost they more in the scenario you painted?

I suspect the club are saving a fair amount and he probably didn't get a lot.

[Özim]

When I talk about optics I mean how it looks. And how it looks is that they are driving trucks of money up to Ozil's house and to Atletico Madrid to get Partey while shitting on the little man, the man who has quietly worked for the club for decades and whose salary is trivial compared with the amounts they're spunking elsewhere. You do make a good point about his redundancy pay, he might actually have done pretty well out of this but people are fed up of these prima-donna, here today, gone tomorrow footballers getting obscene amounts of money. Especially when they're not fit to lace the boots of some of our best players. It just feels increasingly like clubs have lost any connection with their fans or the "common man", we identify a lot more with the Gunnersaurus dude than we do these mercenary footballers. So when we see him getting shafted (again, I agree he might not have been, but that's how it looks) then it doesn't come across well. At best doing it on the same day was tone deaf.



From what I understand Ozil asked for certain assurances before agreeing a pay cut. What are the club going to do with that money? Are they going to assure that none of the non-playing staff will get made redundant? Arsenal refused to give those assurances so Ozil told them to get stuffed. People are disillusioned with Ozil but they're disillusioned with lots of things in the modern game. Arsenal have not covered themselves in glory with any of this.

Pretty much agree with much of this , still doubt he did that well out of redundancy knowing Arsenal, I think they'd pay what they have to, it seems to be how the club operates these days, or at least it's the impression they give!

Also think regarding the pay cut that Ozil was right to make a stand, the cost cuts should have been used to protect jobs, not to go in someone elses back pocket, I think footballers are overpaid but after all the club agreed to this so if they ask them to take a pay cut in a time like this they're entitled to ask that the money be spent in the appropriate way.

[Letters]

I think selassie has a point about redundancy. I know people who have cartwheeled out of the door of my organisation, they're either getting on and it's a way for them to retire early or they fancy a career break and they get enough to not work for a while and take stock.
If you can't get a job after 2 years then you can't be that employable, although when your CV is
"1993-2020 - Football Mascot"
Then you might struggle

It's just the way it looks and the way clubs have treated playing staff and non playing staff differently.

[WMUG]

Holy shit he's been the mascot since the year I was born.

Does that mean I'm gonna die soon?

[Letters]

Holy shit he's been the mascot since the year I was born.

Does that mean I'm gonna die soon?

Second WAAAAAVE!

[Niall_Quinn]

Holy shit he's been the mascot since the year I was born.

Does that mean I'm gonna die soon?

Yes, I'm afraid so. But we'll bring you back once covid is over.

You can trust us.

[fakeyank]

My point about Gunnersaurus is based around the fact that certain posters on here and people in the media are jumping up and down about a redundancy, temporary one at that without knowing the true facts at hand. Does anybody know what kind of financial severance package Gunnersaurus was given? I certainly don't and without these facts I think it's ignorant to jump up and down and point fingers.


The reason I have said the above is because a few of my friends were made redundant through COVID 19 but were given financial severance packages that equated to almost 2 years salaries with the maximum allowed tax free lump sum. I am not saying Arsenal did this with Gunnersaurus, but we just don't know, it's ignorant to start spouting without the details. The redundancy severance package he was given may well have been way above any furlough payment he would receive if he was kept on!


Not only that, but most of the articles relating to Arsenal temporarily relieving him of his duties, have been reported as that he was Sacked! He wasn't sacked! How ignorant can some people be, read the articles from the Athletic or the Guardian and it clearly states the situation in detail regarding relieving him of his duties. Arsenal have even said that it's a temporary measure and he will be back when things get back to normal...whatever normal will be in the future.


Also furlough scheme is not really an option for players at premier league clubs due to their high wages, see article below;


https://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/can-...h13l9hy1zmbk6n


I think the optics of making Gunnersaurus redundant on the same day as activating Partey's release clause for the reasons i've given above are not linked and are irrelevant given nobody knows what kind of severance package Gunnersaurs was given. Gunnersaurus may actually be finanically better off now! So all this talk of disillusionment may be a waste of time given we do not know the financials behind the redundancies!


I also think Mesut Ozil's pathetic cheap shot at the club via Instagram regarding offering to pay Gunnersaurus's wages exposed Mesut for the complete tosser he is. This is a man who refused to take a paycut when all the other members of the team did, most of the other team members are on a quarter or less than what he earns. Not only that, but he happily picked up his 8million bonus in the midst of sitting at home doing sweet FA. Yet people still fell hook line and sinker for it, Ozil is a thief, a conman, he is the one we should be disillusioned with!

Agree with everything. Ozil is a fucking fraud. He should move to Turkey and start living with his lover Erdogan. Spare us your holier than thou attitude.