Arsenal vs Liverpool - Player ratings and Match Reaction

[HCZ_Reborn]

Gabriel Martinelli is a special player, he really is.

Why? Does he have to wear water wings when he goes swimming

Not a dig at Martinelli by the way, he’s clearly a top player but I just associate the word special with being retarded now

[Mac76]

Saka...5 absolutely anonymous other than 2 touches but that's a massive improvement on his usual complete anonymity, tbf.

[mandela8]

It was never a penalty either.

Fuckin ridiculous decision.

Contact /= a foul. This was a perfect of example of the contact coming nowhere near being a foul. It was a blatant dive. The Gabriel handball was never a penalty either.

[Letters]

Dermot Gallagher believes our penalty against Liverpool shouldn’t have been given and that they should have had one.

For what it’s worth, I disagree with him about our penalty, he admits the player catches Jesus and didn’t get the ball so I’m not sure what his argument is

I think the Gabriel incident was a penalty, arms were in an unnatural position.

They were both incidents which could have gone the other way. I must admit when I saw the penalty incident the first time I wasn't sure why it was given, but from the right angle it's pretty clearly a foul. So while I wouldn't have been surprised had it not given, I think it was the right decision. I kinda feel the same about the one which wasn't given. I hate all this shit about the ball just hitting people's hands or arms and a penalty being given. People use their arms to balance, defenders shouldn't have to have their arms behind their back for fear of conceding penalties. So while you definitely see ones like that given, I don't think they should be. It seemed pretty clear ball to hand and while those are increasingly given I really don't think they should be.

[Mac76]

They were both incidents which could have gone the other way. I must admit when I saw the penalty incident the first time I wasn't sure why it was given, but from the right angle it's pretty clearly a foul. So while I wouldn't have been surprised had it not given, I think it was the right decision. I kinda feel the same about the one which wasn't given. I hate all this shit about the ball just hitting people's hands or arms and a penalty being given. People use their arms to balance, defenders shouldn't have to have their arms behind their back for fear of conceding penalties. So while you definitely see ones like that given, I don't think they should be. It seemed pretty clear ball to hand and while those are increasingly given I really don't think they should be.

yes this is pretty much where i am with it, it should clearly be 'hand to ball' in an obvious way, if it's an accident then a pel is ridiculously harsh - Gabriel's simply moving his arms quite naturally to balance as you say

and the Jesus pel was definitely correct, it's a foul in the box - end of

[HCZ_Reborn]

They were both incidents which could have gone the other way. I must admit when I saw the penalty incident the first time I wasn't sure why it was given, but from the right angle it's pretty clearly a foul. So while I wouldn't have been surprised had it not given, I think it was the right decision. I kinda feel the same about the one which wasn't given. I hate all this shit about the ball just hitting people's hands or arms and a penalty being given. People use their arms to balance, defenders shouldn't have to have their arms behind their back for fear of conceding penalties. So while you definitely see ones like that given, I don't think they should be. It seemed pretty clear ball to hand and while those are increasingly given I really don't think they should be.

The issue is whether your arms are in a natural position, and yes for Gabriel they would be if he’d been hypnotised into thinking he was a bird. The question then becomes whether it was deliberate, no it’s not deliberate but he had enough time to move his arms out of the way which you do see him try to do.

It’s harsh but by the rules of the game it’s a penalty.

[HCZ_Reborn]

yes this is pretty much where i am with it, it should clearly be 'hand to ball' in an obvious way, if it's an accident then a pel is ridiculously harsh - Gabriel's simply moving his arms quite naturally to balance as you say

and the Jesus pel was definitely correct, it's a foul in the box - end of

But we aren’t talking about what should, we are talking about what is. If Gabriel had remained static there wouldn’t have been a case, but he jumped to clear the ball with his head and he he was using his arms (admittedly to balance himself and gain height) so his own actions moved his arms to the point where they came in contact with the ball.

[Marc Overmars]

I think we were lucky to get away the Gabriel handball, on another day that’s given by VAR IMO. Also felt like the foul on Jesus was soft and he knew what he was doing by going down, I know I’d be gutted if it was the other way around and a penalty was given against us for that.

Shit happens, we’ve had some woeful decisions go against us in the past so it all comes around.

[mandela8]

but from the right angle it's pretty clearly a foul.

rolflcoptre

[mandela8]

I think we were lucky to get away the Gabriel handball, on another day that’s given by VAR IMO. Also felt like the foul on Jesus was soft and he knew what he was doing by going down, I know I’d be gutted if it was the other way around and a penalty was given against us for that.

Shit happens, we’ve had some woeful decisions go against us in the past so it all comes around.

Yep. I mean, obviously it wasn't a foul. There's no world we're aware of in which that contact makes a grown man, trained to have elite balance and mobility, instantly crumple to the ground. It was a clear dive and anyone suggesting otherwise is just one of these weird adults who simply lose objectivity when it comes to 'their' team. Pathetic stuff, really.