How do you know?Originally Posted by Özim
How do you know?
Yup, basically the other teams collapsed and we won a few easy games, some we made hard work of.Luck
It's an educated guess based on how far they are up his youknowwhat and the fact he's going to be offered a new contract after such a car crash season.How do you know?
Depends first of all what you mean by want to stay, do you mean want him to stay until the end of his current contract rather than being sacked this summer?. Probably true. But long term no I don't think there is any particular enthusiasm for that.
And again the opinion is nuanced and varied, between those who want him gone now, those who want next season to be his last regardless of results, those who want him gone if we don't do significantly better than last season and those in the very small minority who want him to stay as long as he wants no matter what.
I think the fan base is far more anti Wenger than it ever has been, and is generally frustrated with him but I think the desire for him not to be sacked is based more on sentiment than anything. I think they want him to go, but they want him to make that decision himself.
And as discussed earlier if he fails as badly as he did last summer the atmosphere will become poisonous enough for him to walk.
In hindsight the expectation that he might have gone at the end of season just gone was probably fanciful although I can blame no one (including myself) for desiring it.
Over 38 games you finish pretty much where you deserve to. You don't finish in the top 4 every year by luck and we haven't finished 4th for 3 seasons.
Anyway...I think if we'd finished outside the top 4 - but close - for a season, maybe 2, then Wenger may have kept his job.
If we'd slipped seriously down the table - as many predicted we would - then I think he'd have gone.
It is just not true to say he's under no pressure and he'd be our manager no matter how we do - repeating it doesn't make it true.
He's kept his job because he's met his boss's targets not because his boss doesn't give him targets. And as other clubs have shown finishing top 4 that many years in a row is easier said than done.
All that said, I do agree he should move on. Last year was the biggest open goal for the last 10 years to win the title and he messed it up. But don't make up guff about how he'd be our manager no matter how we do, that obviously isn't true.
"Violence is the refuge of the incompetent" Isaac Asimov: You say you are not an AKB yet get so wound up by it that you resort to insults. Saying that theres nothing you can do about a situation and so doing nothing yourself, then going out of your way to berate and deride those who carry banners and placards in an effort to achieve said aim is the definition of an AKB. If you believe there is nothing YOU can do about something then it behooves you to STFU about what others are doing. He is going to get another contract that much is pretty evident. BTW I dont give a milliparsec of thought to what you think of me. LLAP.
Make 2mrw better than 2day
Why do we have to have a little civil war amongst fans and throw around silly labels like 'AKB'. I think in reality almost no-one thinks that. I doubt even those who think he should still be our manager think that.
Because it's the internet and everyone is right.
Moranic.
It's better to burn out, than to fade away.
Even me?
Yaay!
I wasn't insulting you, i am just being honest and applying the best description i could of you. If you feel insulted at being called a berk, than perhaps it's better that you don't make absurd comments.
If i supported Wenger i would just say so....what would i have to be afraid of?. I actually find your accusation amusing because the genuine Wenger In people whom i've conversed with think i'm a "entitled plastic fan" which only goes to prove how idiotic and polarised people are on both sides of the argument.
No i'm calling you a berk because it's apt, only a berk applies pointless acronyms and uses them well outside the zone of their applied meaning
AKB means Arsene Knows Best.....it's interesting that you can come to such a conclusion.
I don't need to go out of my way to berate or deride people, plus actually apart from saying i don't think it would prove that effective i don't think i have been derisory to the placard carriers....it's up to them if they want to protest during matches. I personally wouldn't myself, but if that makes me someone that thinks Wenger is doing a great job...i rather think that says more about the person making the accusation than the accuser.
And by the way your entreaty for me to STFU (you do love your acronyms), i'll politely decline if it's all the same to you.
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