Random Arsenal Shit (When it's not worth starting a thread)

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

I don't angry, I just think he's deluded and it's people like him who stop change occurring.

If his view is so ridiculous how could it possibly stop change occurring?

I imagine people who still want Wenger at the club think Ty is a bit of a joke. He's a regular on AFTV because people like him as a foil for Claude....and that's the basis of it he's there for entertainment value because they know he is red rag to a bull to Claude and if they weren't shouting at each other less people would watch it.

To call him a barrier to change i think is just as ridiculous as any opinion he has uttered himself, and it rather suggests that you take him and his opinion rather more seriously than you purport to.

[Power n Glory]

I don't angry, I just think he's deluded and it's people like him who stop change occurring.

We need to stop that. It's not the fans that's a problem.

[Özim]

If his view is so ridiculous how could it possibly stop change occurring?

I imagine people who still want Wenger at the club think Ty is a bit of a joke. He's a regular on AFTV because people like him as a foil for Claude....and that's the basis of it he's there for entertainment value because they know he is red rag to a bull to Claude and if they weren't shouting at each other less people would watch it.

To call him a barrier to change i think is just as ridiculous as any opinion he has uttered himself, and it rather suggests that you take him and his opinion rather more seriously than you purport to.

By supporting Wenger, if fans wanted him out he'd have nowhere to go, right now too many still support him. There's a fair few people like him, blind to what's actually happening, we saw it last season and their support makes it pretty easy for the hierarchy to keep Wenger on. If most fans were against him, making their feelings known every match his position would soon become untenable.

[Özim]

We need to stop that. It's not the fans that's a problem.

They are part of the problem, if Wenger continues to have support from what seems like a fair amount of the matchday fan base what incentive is there to move him on, the board don't want him gone but if he has fan support they'll be under no pressure to get rid.

Wenger has is easy he really does, doesn't matter how poor his performance is there's still groups of oblivious people happy to support him through thick and thin, it's odd.

The board aren't going to change things, why would they, the only way it could possibly happen is if they feel pressure to, right now there is none.

[Kano]

The board aren't going to change things - so if the fans did, what would happen next? Different manager, same board, same approach to things. Which means fasle pretensions of challenging for the big titles, exactly as we are now.

And if the fans are the problem, then Wenger was right

[Power n Glory]

They are part of the problem, if Wenger continues to have support from what seems like a fair amount of the matchday fan base what incentive is there to move him on, the board don't want him gone but if he has fan support they'll be under no pressure to get rid.

Wenger has is easy he really does, doesn't matter how poor his performance is there's still groups of oblivious people happy to support him through thick and thin, it's odd.

The board aren't going to change things, why would they, the only way it could possibly happen is if they feel pressure to, right now there is none.

Claude still attends games though, right? There are a lot of fans that are frustrated with Wenger and that club that still attend games and remain silent.

But either way, fans turning against each other leaves us in a shit situation. Wenger tried to blame the fans for why we're losing games and it's not right. The more finger pointing that goes on between fans will mean we'll probably get more people digging their heels in to support Wenger just so they're not seen to be supporting the 'anti' Wenger fans. We'd be creating a bigger problem.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

By supporting Wenger, if fans wanted him out he'd have nowhere to go, right now too many still support him. There's a fair few people like him, blind to what's actually happening, we saw it last season and their support makes it pretty easy for the hierarchy to keep Wenger on. If most fans were against him, making their feelings known every match his position would soon become untenable.

He's one individual, Ty supporting Wenger has no bearing on whether other people support Wenger or not.

And again you seem to have this notion of how because he appears on an on-line tv channel his opinion carries any weight, Arsenal Fan TV is the Arsenal equivalent of the Muppet Show or Police Academy.....Moh, Claude, Ty, Bully, DT these people are all caricatures...they aren't representatives of the fan base or ambassadors for the club.

[Özim]

The board aren't going to change things - so if the fans did, what would happen next? Different manager, same board, same approach to things. Which means fasle pretensions of challenging for the big titles, exactly as we are now.

And if the fans are the problem, then Wenger was right

The fans are obviously not the problem, but by supporting this regime they encourage it, if all fans were united in wanting change we may see it, without this we could see Wenger here for another 5 years, he shows no signs of wanting to retire, indeed he's already questioned how Ferguson can live without management.

Change has to start somewhere and being in denial isn't going to do it.

[Özim]

He's one individual, Ty supporting Wenger has no bearing on whether other people support Wenger or not.

And again you seem to have this notion of how because he appears on an on-line tv channel his opinion carries any weight, Arsenal Fan TV is the Arsenal equivalent of the Muppet Show or Police Academy.....Moh, Claude, Ty, Bully, DT these people are all caricatures...they aren't representatives of the fan base or ambassadors for the club.

He's representative of the people we saw last season supporting Wenger, the same people singing Wenger's name and fighting with those who want him out.

His opinion doesn't carry any weight, it's just representative of the pro Wenger fans sadly, quite frankly at tthis stage noone should be pro Wenger anymore after his years of failure. You wouldn't see this nonsense at any other club in the world, let alone a big club.

This club has failed to deliver since 2004, that's a fact, in real terms as big club we just haven't performed or produced the success we should and were setup for, that's largely due to Wenger.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

They are part of the problem, if Wenger continues to have support from what seems like a fair amount of the matchday fan base what incentive is there to move him on, the board don't want him gone but if he has fan support they'll be under no pressure to get rid.

Wenger has is easy he really does, doesn't matter how poor his performance is there's still groups of oblivious people happy to support him through thick and thin, it's odd.

The board aren't going to change things, why would they, the only way it could possibly happen is if they feel pressure to, right now there is none.

If what you are saying is true, these fans aren't blocking progress....they just don't want the progress that you want or don't agree with you about how it comes about.

I don't agree with them, but they pay to go to matches and they support Arsenal, unless you are implying they somehow are less of a supporter than you. Again if that's what you think, that's what you think....again along with your opinion that Ty is a barrier to change it's a pretty ridiculous one.