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    Quote Originally Posted by Noel_Quinn View Post
    Are there any more decent Jerry Maguire quotes that could apply here?

    Or Groundhog Day quotes?
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    Show me the money, Jerry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kano View Post
    Depends how you want to interpret 'got his number' really. There are a stack of draws in these games which doesn't tell me that these managers have a clear advantage. And if they did, they would be able to replicate it quite regularly at our place too, which they haven't. So I don't see what you do.
    So it's not a problem for you that under these managers we can't beat these sides that are mid table sides away from home. When you play at home, you can dictate the tempo of the game more because you have the crowd on your side and the team are playing on familiar territory so it makes a difference for these managers.
    Because we have managed to get away with draws on occasion doesn't change that and Koeman has beaten Wenger when playing in home fixtures three times in a row with an aggregate of 8 goals for and 1 against....is that really close?.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Letters to Santa View Post
    I'm not arguing with that.
    My point was, and remains, that I'm not sure what to make of this result. Yes, I'm disappointed but in any season you will get results like this. It seems we were a bit unlucky to lose, right at the end we had the ball cleared off the line twice before Everton nearly broke away and scored a 3rd. And earlier Ozil missed a sitter. Fine lines in football sometimes. The important thing is how we react. Is this going to be the start of one of our trademark slumps or are they made of sterner stuff this year? We'll see.
    And there are some people who don't hope for the best in the sense that they "know" we're going to fail (one of the usual suspects mentioning the "fourth place trophy" even though we haven't "won" that for 3 years.
    I don't know why they bother watching.
    We had one shot on target (the goal) before injury time....

    Again you take these things too literally, the 4th placed trophy thing is gallows humour......it's a way of people showing their frustration at seeing the same old season in, season out. My attitude has always been expect the worst, hope for the best.....and when we lose three times in a row to the same manager away from home i'm not going to pretend it's a surprise or it's not the same old, same old.

    Now if we do win at the Hawthorns, at the Britannia, beat either Everton or United at home.....than i might revise that opinion....but the precedent that's been set doesn't suggest that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie View Post
    So it's not a problem for you that under these managers we can't beat these sides that are mid table sides away from home. When you play at home, you can dictate the tempo of the game more because you have the crowd on your side and the team are playing on familiar territory so it makes a difference for these managers.
    Because we have managed to get away with draws on occasion doesn't change that and Koeman has beaten Wenger when playing in home fixtures three times in a row with an aggregate of 8 goals for and 1 against....is that really close?.
    No because we beat nearly all of the fodder lower down the table. Having someone's number, to me, means being able to beat them 9 times out of ten. Maureen I can't dispute because he does have Wenger's number. But given we nearly always turn over those other pubbers at home, the definition doesn't stick. We can all stack up statistics to build an argument but only thankfully we don't play aggregate games in the Prem, so like most, that one is meaningless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kano View Post
    No because we beat nearly all of the fodder lower down the table. Having someone's number, to me, means being able to beat them 9 times out of ten. Maureen I can't dispute because he does have Wenger's number. But given we nearly always turn over those other pubbers at home, the definition doesn't stick. We can all stack up statistics to build an argument but only thankfully we don't play aggregate games in the Prem, so like most, that one is meaningless.

    So basically you're quibbling over terms

    In Koemans case he definitely does have Wengers number, again just to repeat head to head they have played each other Ten times and Koeman has won five and Wenger once......Ajax, PSV, Southampton and Everton these aren't teams that are on the same level as Arsenal let alone superior to. Mourinho at Chelsea at the very least they have either been equivalent to or better than us.

    Regardless of what label you want to put on it, there is a clear problem when it comes to Beating teams managed by the managers I've mentioned away from home and it's happened too often to be a coincidence. I would agree with you, but look at Stoke (managed by Pulis and then Hughes)....Arsenal have played at the Britannia stadium nine times in all competitions since Stoke got promoted we have lost five times, drawn there three times and won only once. Liverpool, Chelsea, Spurs, United and City have all come unstuck there in the past but they have all shown that they can win there just as often as they lose.....the same cannot be said of Arsenal.

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    The manner of the defeat was laughable but very familiar
    'WHEN HE HAS A PLAN, WE BACK HIM, WHEN HE DOESN'T......WE KEEP QUIET'

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    Match reaction: Everton 2-1 Arsenal

    Quote Originally Posted by Letters to Santa View Post
    Disappointing. You're going to get days like this though.
    It remains to be seen whether it's "same old Arsenal" or they made of sterner stuff now.
    City are no pushovers and then we have 2 very winnable games. Chelsea don't look like slipping up so we can't afford to lose ground.
    The sun went down last night and came up this morning.

    I wonder how the next 24 hours will pan out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bauble Loblaw View Post
    The sun went down last night and came up today.

    I wonder how the next 24 hours will pan out.
    There was a report on Sky News about our lack of preparedness for an Asteroid/Meteor collision

    I think we are likely to get more than 24 hours notice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bauble Loblaw View Post
    The sun went down last night and came up this morning.

    I wonder how the next 24 hours will pan out.
    I'll judge it when the sun comes up.
    It's better to burn out, than to fade away.

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    Just when you begin to think at last we are making progress, we revert to the typical sort of defeat we have become accustomed to. Tons of possession , sod all shots on goal and defensive ineptitude. And of course excuses from the Supremo.

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