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    Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
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    I didn't assume anything, I was just asking the question. Previously you said it wasn't an option for a fan. It is.
    And I don't agree that with other addictions people get no pleasure from them. They obviously do at the time even if there are bad consequences later.
    With NQ he doesn't seem to derive any pleasure from it at all no matter the result.

    The point PnG making about Wenger leaving if people stop going en masse. I agree that is the only way to affect change but I see the reason slightly differently. Wenger cares about success. I can't be bothered debating that, he may take a little too much pride in top 4 but of course he wants to do better, why would any manager at that level not want to be winning trophies? The board though...so long as the money keeps rolling in they couldn't give a monkeys so IMO the only way to get them to change anything is to cut off the source of the money which is us, ultimately. The problem is a lot of the real fans have already walked away or been priced out but there's a very long queue of tourists ready and willing to take their place.
    Are you honestly arguing that we are the main source of the money?

    Corporate sponsorship and TV deals are the main part of the money, so in that sense the only fans that can affect the outcome are those fans who watch from home and don't buy the subscription packages.....whilst i agree it wouldn't look good for a half empty stadium week in, week out it won't affect the club financially whatsoever.

    An addiction is a compulsion, and sometimes as often as not you don't get pleasure out of the thing you have a compulsion to do.....you might need to understand a bit more about psychological addiction before making such a statement.

    As for Wenger it's less about lack of ambition, it's more that he is convinced he doesn't have to change a thing and can still bring success.....according to himself he is his harshest critic but with the best will in the world i can be self-critical and see where i am going wrong with any given task but it often needs outside input to give me a fresh look on how to do things, he i don't think will listen to any voice that isn't his own, plus we mention addiction managing this club is a compulsion for him he spends more time here than any other of the playing or coaching staff and has very little going on apart from punditry work in France and i think he would be able to change his parameters of how he defined success simply because he is afraid of retiring.

    So if we finish 4th way off the pace, he will say to himself...we were unlucky (as per usual) we just need to keep doing what we are doing and it will come, and this same mentality with him permeates season after season.
    Last edited by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie; 18-01-2017 at 09:53 AM.

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