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    Quote Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn View Post
    Wenger does his own fair share of disrespecting the fans with his bullshit about team spirit and building for the future, etc, etc, ad nauseum. The trouble he's got is fewer and fewer fans believe a word that comes out of his mouth. He asked for time and he got it, he got far more patience than he would have enjoyed at our (alleged) competitors. I doubt even Fergie would have survived the garbage Wenger has served up over the last few years, the calls for him to be put out to pasture would have been deafening. As for Chelsea, City and Pool, we all know the story there and yet for all their turmoil two of those clubs came back and finished above us as we conspired to throw the season away again. What we witnessed (again) this year was a shocking failure and if a manager's position can't be questioned after a performance like that then when is it valid to asks questions? Should he go? Of course he should. That's what happens to managers who fail in this game. Should he be allowed to stay based on past glories? No. That's not how it happens in this game.

    For those who forgive his every fuck up because we as fans don't really know what's happening inside the club - WHO CARES? We do know what's happening in the pitch and it's not good enough, not by a long shot. And whatever some fans mistakenly believe, yes we are entitled to comment on what goes on on the pitch. And the people who have paid a fortune to sit there and watch it while their money is used to keep the club running, absolutely they have a say. In fact their say should rank above all others. Anyone who wants to sit their with their mouth taped shut regardless of what happens simply because they feel inadequate, fine go ahead, but don't be trying to impose your head-burying antics on the rest of us. You don't need a coaching badge to realise how bad we were in the title run-in this year, and last year, and the year before, and the year before. How many times should Wenger be allowed to fail? Is that what we're in this game for, to fail? Again and again and again it's been said it's not the lack of trophies that irritates the hell out of some fans. It's the decline in the standard of football, the failure to correct obvious problems, the self-evidently flawed transfer policies and the sheer fucking arrogance coming out of the boardroom and the manager's office. So fine, if Wenger and his cronies want respect then it's a two way street. About time somebody at the club started paying attention to the fans again, the fans being the paying customers who keep the whole damn operation running. And if they want respect then they'd better start earning it, the manager, the players, teh board, the fucking lot of them. How are you meant to respect an outfit the capitulates so readily, if the instruction is to respect losers then the resounding response it no, no fucking way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by selassie View Post
    Really Excellent post
    It is a good post but it's a strange response to my point which was about the level of disrespect shown to Wenger, not the questioning of him or thinking it's time for him to move on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Letters (TPFKA WWTL@WHL) View Post
    It is a good post but it's a strange response to my point which was about the level of disrespect shown to Wenger, not the questioning of him or thinking it's time for him to move on.
    Whilst Respect has to be earnt it can also be lost. Just because he had most fans respect a few years ago, it doesnt mean he's just gonna keep it.

    The respect for him has been on the wane for a while now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Save me Jeebus! View Post
    Whilst Respect has to be earnt it can also be lost. Just because he had most fans respect a few years ago, it doesnt mean he's just gonna keep it.

    The respect for him has been on the wane for a while now.
    Well, like I said Clough ended up taking Forest down and he's still a legend for their fans.
    All Wenger's done is taken us from the top of the top 4 to the bottom. We're not in mid-table let alone fighting relegation. He's made some strange decisions, he's maddeningly stubborn and his inability to motivate the teams at time is depressing. But he's not done anything to deserve the level of disrespect he is shown on here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Letters (TPFKA WWTL@WHL) View Post
    It is a good post but it's a strange response to my point which was about the level of disrespect shown to Wenger, not the questioning of him or thinking it's time for him to move on.
    The thing is though, he's quite insulting at times, all the cr*p he comes out with, pointing the finger at he fans in some scenarios. He doesn't seem to be that bothered about the fans these days, his players, finances and his policies are seemingly all he cares about.

    He's incredibly patronising too and people never respond well to that, if he was more honest he might get a different reaction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Letters (TPFKA WWTL@WHL) View Post
    Well, like I said Clough ended up taking Forest down and he's still a legend for their fans.
    All Wenger's done is taken us from the top of the top 4 to the bottom. We're not in mid-table let alone fighting relegation. He's made some strange decisions, he's maddeningly stubborn and his inability to motivate the teams at time is depressing. But he's not done anything to deserve the level of disrespect he is shown on here.
    IMO.
    Good post

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    Quote Originally Posted by Letters (TPFKA WWTL@WHL) View Post
    Well, like I said Clough ended up taking Forest down and he's still a legend for their fans.
    All Wenger's done is taken us from the top of the top 4 to the bottom. We're not in mid-table let alone fighting relegation. He's made some strange decisions, he's maddeningly stubborn and his inability to motivate the teams at time is depressing. But he's not done anything to deserve the level of disrespect he is shown on here.
    IMO.
    I think that is right. People often say Wenger out but dont offer a realistic alternative even if they offer one at all. He is still our must successful manager ever and while it is frustrating missing out at the end it is still true that apart from 3 or 4 clubs, all other clubs in the English leagues would love to have our 'problem'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Letters (TPFKA WWTL@WHL) View Post
    Well, like I said Clough ended up taking Forest down and he's still a legend for their fans.
    All Wenger's done is taken us from the top of the top 4 to the bottom. We're not in mid-table let alone fighting relegation. He's made some strange decisions, he's maddeningly stubborn and his inability to motivate the teams at time is depressing. But he's not done anything to deserve the level of disrespect he is shown on here.
    IMO.
    so AW should get us relegated before the more vocal fans start swearing and cursing blood about what the fuc*k is going on or he is up to?

    When the noble supporters trust humbly voinced their concerns as to wtf was going on a couple of months ago, PWH in similar fashion to AW's dismissive tone, called the fans idiots.

    A couple of years ago at the annual meeting when a supporter asked wtf AW will choose to sign an over the hill ex-player of a rival club, he dodged the issue and instead questioned the fan's loyalty to the players and club.

    He said we should judge him in may and that HE KNOWS WHAT HE IS DOING and IS GOING TO DO IT HIS WAY, only for him to move goalposts and try to redefine success and make excuses!

    He is raking in farking 6mil a year. He is not doing a charitable service.
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    Quote Originally Posted by budesonide View Post
    so AW should get us relegated before the more vocal fans start swearing and cursing blood about what the fuc*k is going on or he is up to?
    Well no, my point is the way some people post about him it's as though he had.
    All we've done is slipped from 1st to 4th. We should be doing better, I share the frustrations, I think it's time we looked elsewhere, but there's no call for some of the disrespect some are showing to him. IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Letters (TPFKA WWTL@WHL) View Post
    Well no, my point is the way some people post about him it's as though he had.
    All we've done is slipped from 1st to 4th. We should be doing better, I share the frustrations, I think it's time we looked elsewhere, but there's no call for some of the disrespect some are showing to him. IMO.
    He is doing exactly the same thing, not with 'fuc*k off', coc*k, cun*t, etc but rather with utter dismissiveness -- and to me that is far worse!

    This man has the nerve to say people are being impatient -- REALLY? That is worse than he saying we can go fuc*k ourselves.

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