Summer Transfer Misery and Recriminations.

[Niall_Quinn]

Chavs are lining up a £60mill bid for Lumpkaku.

[Letters]

You say you get the idea and then you go into detail to prove you don't. Put another way, if somebody pisses in your face for a decade and then stops and apologises you can either accept their apology of punch them in the throat. If you accept their apology and then they immediately piss in your face it is perfectly legitimate to end them.

If someone spent a decade pissing on my face then I may well accept their apology but I certainly wouldn't entertain the notion of giving them a chance to continue to do so. So if you really think the decade from 2004-2013 were as bad as that then I don't believe the FA Cup (which, to continue your analogy, is a half-hearted apology at best if you think it's as minor a trophy as you now claim) would be enough for you to be happy with Wenger signing a new contract.

You keep saying you want him sacked but you are always on hand to defend the guy, at every turn.

Well, that's just not true. You know it's not true.
But I will defend him against bullshit and hyperbole and people who spout bile at everything he says, even if they agree with it.

I think you want him sacked, provided he remains as manager.

I'm sure you think that's clever. It's hardly Oscar Wilde.

But okay. The good things about Wenger 2016. What are they?

He's built a good squad, one capable of challenging for the title in my view or very close to, and done so while keeping the finances of the club very healthy and keeping us in the CL places. I don't think he should be our manager but we're in very good shape for whoever comes in, Wenger deserves some credit for that. If he was as bad as you suggest then we'd be nowhere near the top 4.

[Power n Glory]

I don't think we can play Ozil wide either...... and I'd start with Theo up front, particularly with Xhaka and Ozil in the team. Use the early and precise ball to our full advantage. Think Giroud has extra time off anyway so won't start the season.

Yes, I'd prefer to play Walcott up front as well but I can't see it happening. We need a pacey striker and I think we'd get more from Ozil with someone with pace, but because I think Wenger will continue with Giroud, I think Ozil is better off whipping in crosses to Giroud. Maybe playing him wide will force him to be more direct with his dribbling also. If we were to play him in a central role I'd say we play him as a CM. The way he plays really reminds me more of a CM than an actual AM.

[Niall_Quinn]

If someone spent a decade pissing on my face then I may well accept their apology but I certainly wouldn't entertain the notion of giving them a chance to continue to do so. So if you really think the decade from 2004-2013 were as bad as that then I don't believe the FA Cup (which, to continue your analogy, is a half-hearted apology at best if you think it's as minor a trophy as you now claim) would be enough for you to be happy with Wenger signing a new contract.


Well, that's just not true. You know it's not true.
But I will defend him against bullshit and hyperbole and people who spout bile at everything he says, even if they agree with it.

I'm sure you think that's clever. It's hardly Oscar Wilde.

He's built a good squad, one capable of challenging for the title in my view or very close to, and done so while keeping the finances of the club very healthy and keeping us in the CL places. I don't think he should be our manager but we're in very good shape for whoever comes in, Wenger deserves some credit for that. If he was as bad as you suggest then we'd be nowhere near the top 4.

One more try and that's it.

Wenger: shit for years = Hmmm, mumble, eyebrows raised, question, complain, protest... GTFO you fucking moron!
Wenger: Starts signing players and wins a cup = Well okay, finally this old goat has got the message. Thank fuck for that. Now let's push on!
Wenger: Ever shittier then before. Keeps playing a lump of shit up top and develops our game into the most boring football seen in a generation = Right then, you had your chance, now fuck off! No more chances, no more excuses, GTFO and stay out!

The FA Cup is most certainly a minor trophy. Only the most desperate would seeks to give it a significance in reference to a supposedly big club. But, it's better to win the thing than not win it. That goes for any trophy. And considering Wenger was football's laughing stock for winning fuck all for so long (without getting sacked), it was a big deal for the club to finally win something, anything. NOT because it was a big achievement, but because the club need that monkey off its back. But if that's the lot, if you are going to hoist up the Fuck All Cup and say that's it, we've done it, success! Then fuck right off. That's the START of a process. A transition from a shower of shite to maybe, just maybe this old fool has a few tricks left in him yet. False dawn. He's worse than ever.

And the only thing you can come up with in genuine defence of the bloke is money and the Top 4 Trophy - the very thing that he's accused of selling out for. Other than that, Mrs Lincoln, how was the play? I think there can be no understanding between the pro-Wenger cultists and non-members.

[Xhaka Can’t]

You have said previously that new signings won't make a difference. But you keep complaining we're not making new signings.
Dress it up how you like, you're contradicting yourself so you can score more IHateWengerMoreThanYou points.
Still think Zim is winning but you're catching up.

NQ can speak for himself, but I share some of what you regard as contradictory views.

We need new quality signings, particularly in those positions where we have, little, no or waning quality. But regardless of what we do in the window, Wenger will leave gaps and he will under deliver on the talent he does have at his disposal.

[Letters]

NQ can speak for himself, but I share some of what you regard as contradictory views.

We need new quality signings, particularly in those positions where we have, little, no or waning quality. But regardless of what we do in the window, Wenger will leave gaps and he will under deliver on the talent he does have at his disposal.

You could argue that Wenger has always under-delivered, that squad back in the day should have won the Champions League and should have retained the title. We should have won 3 in a row from 2002-2004. But that was balanced out by the fact we did win a load of trophies and it was so good to watch that the odd failing could be glossed over. And that's different to saying that new signings would make no difference while Wenger is in charge and NQ can shout DIDN'T, DIDN'T, DIDN'T loud as he likes, he HAS said that.

[Letters]

One more try and that's it.

Wenger: shit for years = Hmmm, mumble, eyebrows raised, question, complain, protest... GTFO you fucking moron!
Wenger: Starts signing players and wins a cup = Well okay, finally this old goat has got the message. Thank fuck for that. Now let's push on!
Wenger: Ever shittier then before. Keeps playing a lump of shit up top and develops our game into the most boring football seen in a generation = Right then, you had your chance, now fuck off! No more chances, no more excuses, GTFO and stay out!

Yeah, except in 2013 when there was talk of Wenger signing a new contract you said:

Wenger is easily the best manager in the world, there's little doubt about that given what he's achieved.

But he's a mediocre football coach.

So, woohoo, for the board.

Meh, for the fans.

http://www.goonersweb.co.uk/forum/sh...?t=2325&page=3

That was before the FA Cup so after what you're now calling 'shit for years'. So I don't believe you thought it was that bad, it's a lot more nuanced than that with the stadium move and the billionaires coming in and having the biggest impact. The issue for me is that now we have the financial power to properly compete and we're still failing to, that's why he should go. But I'm not going to pretend it's been 12 years of unmitigated failure just to score more "I H8 WUMGER MORE THAN U" points.

[bignev]

That

In my view last summer he thought he should either sign someone who was going to properly push us on or not bother at all, why sign another Giroud or Welbeck level player? What does that add? A bit of squad depth I guess but I'm not sure it would have won us the title. So I have some sympathy with that view. But where he got it wrong is not getting his man and it cost us. You need a top striker to win you the league, whether Vardy is one is debatable but he was scoring like one last season and that won them the title. In theory we had plenty of goals in the side so I can see why he might have thought that we could get enough goals from midfield to mitigate the lack of 'an Aguero' but given that it didn't work out it was even more important to 'go big or go home' this summer and, so far, he hasn't.

100% agree with this. I have some sympathy with Arsenal not wanting to pay way over the odds for a striker. However we desperately need a striker and we simply have to pay what it takes to get a good one, even if it's more than their value.

Assuming that Welbeck wasn't out for the best part of a year and Giroud wasn't going to miss the start of the season I would still want a striker. When you take into account neither of them will be available for the first few games it's madness to stick with what we have. I can only assume Akpom will start up front

[Power n Glory]

So cutting past all the Internet scoring, we accept that Giroud isn't good enough to win us a major trophy.

How long has he been leading the line for Arsenal now? Do you think Wenger believes Giroud is good enough? Because if he does then he's precisely the incompetent fool he's been called. But what if he doesn't believe Giroud is good enough. That would make him a negligent fraud, wouldn't it? A guy who claims to be a top manager and who pours his every minute into the club trying to win? That would be a lie, wouldn't it? So we have either an incompetent fool or a fraud and a liar. I actually think he's all of those things.

The question then. When is he going to fuck off so we can get a competent and competitive guy in to do the job properly?

Wenger has to realise Giroud is a big problem for us.

http://metro.co.uk/2016/06/03/has-ar...senal-5921632/

‘What has happened is in the last 10 years, strikers have become quicker and quicker,’ Wenger explained.
‘What happened then? The defence responded by creating defenders who are quicker and quicker. So now to put in strikers who are slow, you have really a big problem.’

He has a serious blind spot if he doesn’t after saying the above. Even if we fail to buy a striker, I’d much rather he’d give a pacey player a run up front. At least 10 games or so.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

The ongoing TDK D90 saga shows the schizoid nature of journalism

Lacazette 26th July - Arsenal made a derisory offer that wasn't even deserving of an answer, no higher bid forthcoming and Lacazette staying

Lacazette 1st August - Arsenal to go in with a higher bid