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    Quote Originally Posted by Fist of Lehmann View Post
    This playing players until they die comes about partly because Wenger only seems to trust a small proportion of his players to play. Once Wilshere proved what could be achieved from his position, Denilson, although fit, never got a look in. We were grateful for that at the time, not so much now.

    We are well into this process with Ramsey this season.
    I don't understand this sort of post. I've seen other people say it too. But elsewhere people have criticised Wenger for rotating
    Spurs haven't used that many players this season as they've been pretty lucky with injuries.
    Players sometimes need a rest but overall a more consistent side is better, non?

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    Well. Plus, it was Jack who didn't tell anyone about the pain he had in his ankle, and wanted to keep playing.

    They only knew there was a problem once it went "ping" in the Emirates Cup.

    Players have a duty to let the medical team know if there's a problem....hopefully a mistake, wilshere has admitted, he won't make again.
    It's better to burn out, than to fade away.

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    This was a waste of money then:

    http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-arc...raining-ground

    Watching the video the equipment looks great but the staff look and sound like a right bunch of bell ends. We need to ship over some German docs - they're famous for being pioneers in the medical field.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LDG View Post
    Well. Plus, it was Jack who didn't tell anyone about the pain he had in his ankle, and wanted to keep playing.

    They only knew there was a problem once it went "ping" in the Emirates Cup.

    Players have a duty to let the medical team know if there's a problem....hopefully a mistake, wilshere has admitted, he won't make again.
    They do but on this occasion Arsenal knew he is coming back from injury, if they were a little bit more circumspect then it possibly wouldn't need Wilshere to tell the truth or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by McNamara That Ghost... View Post
    They do but on this occasion Arsenal knew he is coming back from injury, if they were a little bit more circumspect then it possibly wouldn't need Wilshere to tell the truth or not.
    They surely have to rely on the players to give them some feedback though. Wilshere was obviously keen to get out there again, maybe he just over-stretched himself. The fact that Ramsey and Eduardo are playing football at all after their horrible injuries is credit to our medical team. In days of yore they'd never have played again

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    Quote Originally Posted by McNamara That Ghost... View Post
    They do but on this occasion Arsenal knew he is coming back from injury, if they were a little bit more circumspect then it possibly wouldn't need Wilshere to tell the truth or not.
    Soz. Do you mean now, or in the summer?

    Regarding the here and now....It is frustrating that a highly paid medical team have allowed more damage to occur...but then, who's to say the dmage wasn't already a time-bomb...stress fractures often are.

    He needs more milk.

    He does!

    Ian Rush says
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    Quote Originally Posted by Letters View Post
    I don't understand this sort of post. I've seen other people say it too. But elsewhere people have criticised Wenger for rotating
    Spurs haven't used that many players this season as they've been pretty lucky with injuries.
    Players sometimes need a rest but overall a more consistent side is better, non?
    Well it's hardly as clear cut as, Wenger rotates too much vs Wenger rotates not enough. You won't have heard me criticise him for rotating. Wenger rotates when he feels it's necessary fitnesswise and consequently more for some players than for others. Wilshere is a case in point. Played 49 times last season, more I think than other player. This is a kid in his first full season.

    Yes, a settled team is better, but the days when you could win the league with 14 players in pretty much over. And I'm an advocate of not dicking about with a winning side.

    To continue to play Wilshere in meaningless games at the end of last season seems strange to me. And given his stress fracture injuries I don't think you can really argue that he wasn't overplayed.

    Tottenham apparently have Walker, King, Van Der Vaart and Adebunghole out injured atm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LDG View Post
    Soz. Do you mean now, or in the summer?

    Regarding the here and now....It is frustrating that a highly paid medical team have allowed more damage to occur...but then, who's to say the dmage wasn't already a time-bomb...stress fractures often are.

    He needs more milk.

    He does!

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    I mean now.

    If it already was a 'time-bomb' then wouldn't they know about it? That would surely have come up when he first started running again, or so I would've thought.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Letters View Post
    They surely have to rely on the players to give them some feedback though. Wilshere was obviously keen to get out there again, maybe he just over-stretched himself. The fact that Ramsey and Eduardo are playing football at all after their horrible injuries is credit to our medical team. In days of yore they'd never have played again
    Scans and more scans would surely show if his foot was in the danger zone or not. Perhaps they just weren't anticipating something like that happening. What you mention about Eduardo and Ramsey is slightly different - horrible injuries though they were (and in Eduardo's case much worse) broken bones take longer to heal (obviously) but eventually bones fuse back together stronger. In any case I don't really want to get bogged down in a compare and contrast with those players because that doesn't really preclude from the possibility of being a mismanagement in Wilshere's case.

    Having said that, they are having more tests for him. Granted it could be after the fact but then, it might not be as bad as expected.

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    Quote Originally Posted by McNamara That Ghost... View Post
    I mean now.

    If it already was a 'time-bomb' then wouldn't they know about it? That would surely have come up when he first started running again, or so I would've thought.


    Dunno tbh. From arse.com, they're saying it like it's a common occurance when recovering from injuries of this type....

    Maybe they couldn't prevent it, that it was a risk etc....but that if he didn't get back running and weight-bearing, we might as well just leave him to find another job.

    There is something wrong at the club though. The amount of injuries we sustain is beyond a joke, no doubt about it....
    It's better to burn out, than to fade away.

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