Anyone calling for Wenger to be sacked...

[budesonide]

Wenger does his own fair share of disrespecting the fans with his bullshit about team spirit and building for the future, etc, etc, ad nauseum. The trouble he's got is fewer and fewer fans believe a word that comes out of his mouth. He asked for time and he got it, he got far more patience than he would have enjoyed at our (alleged) competitors. I doubt even Fergie would have survived the garbage Wenger has served up over the last few years, the calls for him to be put out to pasture would have been deafening. As for Chelsea, City and Pool, we all know the story there and yet for all their turmoil two of those clubs came back and finished above us as we conspired to throw the season away again. What we witnessed (again) this year was a shocking failure and if a manager's position can't be questioned after a performance like that then when is it valid to asks questions? Should he go? Of course he should. That's what happens to managers who fail in this game. Should he be allowed to stay based on past glories? No. That's not how it happens in this game.

For those who forgive his every fuck up because we as fans don't really know what's happening inside the club - WHO CARES? We do know what's happening in the pitch and it's not good enough, not by a long shot. And whatever some fans mistakenly believe, yes we are entitled to comment on what goes on on the pitch. And the people who have paid a fortune to sit there and watch it while their money is used to keep the club running, absolutely they have a say. In fact their say should rank above all others. Anyone who wants to sit their with their mouth taped shut regardless of what happens simply because they feel inadequate, fine go ahead, but don't be trying to impose your head-burying antics on the rest of us. You don't need a coaching badge to realise how bad we were in the title run-in this year, and last year, and the year before, and the year before. How many times should Wenger be allowed to fail? Is that what we're in this game for, to fail? Again and again and again it's been said it's not the lack of trophies that irritates the hell out of some fans. It's the decline in the standard of football, the failure to correct obvious problems, the self-evidently flawed transfer policies and the sheer fucking arrogance coming out of the boardroom and the manager's office. So fine, if Wenger and his cronies want respect then it's a two way street. About time somebody at the club started paying attention to the fans again, the fans being the paying customers who keep the whole damn operation running. And if they want respect then they'd better start earning it, the manager, the players, teh board, the fucking lot of them. How are you meant to respect an outfit the capitulates so readily, if the instruction is to respect losers then the resounding response it no, no fucking way.

top post, mate.

Wenger has the nerve to say people are being impatient! And we are the disrespectful ones?

It is astonishing -- he is on 6 farking million a year and can't get his team to win a bloody carling cup final against birmingham or prevent his team from collapsing come end of season run-in.

[Power n Glory]

His words - "judge me at the end of the season".

That time has come and I don't want here any more calls for patients, time or hear any attempts to shift the goal posts and Wenger moaning as if the criteria he's being judged on is unfair. He's had his chance and that's it for me. We need a change of direction and Wenger has a few months to get his team in order otherwise the echoes of boos around the stadium will start early.

[Cripps_orig]

Interesting stat that and I believe that is a very telling one as well. Im surprised nobody has commented on this. It sure isnt easy to win them but how long has it been now, 6 years? We havent progressed one bit while you could argue that all our rivals have.

Forgot Portsmouth in that. That's 2 clubs who are now plying their trade in the Championship that has won something since we last did.

Sure its not easy to win a trophy but for a club like us that has been there or thereabouts in the trophy hunt for the last 6 seasons but to come short all the time tells me there is a problem and that problem is the manager.

He just doesn't have what it takes to take this team that extra step and win something. His refusal to change his ways has cost us dearly and no real progress in the 6 years is worrying cos as you said, the others are improving. Liverpool had a shocking season under Rafa and he was let go. They were awful with Hodgson and he was gone. Whilst we haven't been that shite yet, its only a matter of time. Either Wenger sees sense or our board should be ruthless before we drop out of the top 4. The season just passed was arguably our worst under Wenger. It was full of embarrassment and humiliation and if Wenger wasn't in last chance saloon before, he surely must be now. Certainly with the fans at least if not the board who unfortunately are more interested in the money.

Wenger is the new Brian Clough tbh. Not the Clough that won trophies but the one who overstayed his welcome and took Forest down.

[Mr. Lahey]

Forgot Portsmouth in that. That's 2 clubs who are now plying their trade in the Championship that has won something since we last did.

Sure its not easy to win a trophy but for a club like us that has been there or thereabouts in the trophy hunt for the last 6 seasons but to come short all the time tells me there is a problem and that problem is the manager.

He just doesn't have what it takes to take this team that extra step and win something. His refusal to change his ways has cost us dearly and no real progress in the 6 years is worrying cos as you said, the others are improving. Liverpool had a shocking season under Rafa and he was let go. They were awful with Hodgson and he was gone. Whilst we haven't been that shite yet, its only a matter of time. Either Wenger sees sense or our board should be ruthless before we drop out of the top 4. The season just passed was arguably our worst under Wenger. It was full of embarrassment and humiliation and if Wenger wasn't in last chance saloon before, he surely must be now. Certainly with the fans at least if not the board who unfortunately are more interested in the money.

Wenger is the new Brian Clough tbh. Not the Clough that won trophies but the one who overstayed his welcome and took Forest down.

agree with all of that mate

[Japan Shaking All Over]

Forgot Portsmouth in that. That's 2 clubs who are now plying their trade in the Championship that has won something since we last did.

Sure its not easy to win a trophy but for a club like us that has been there or thereabouts in the trophy hunt for the last 6 seasons but to come short all the time tells me there is a problem and that problem is the manager.

He just doesn't have what it takes to take this team that extra step and win something. His refusal to change his ways has cost us dearly and no real progress in the 6 years is worrying cos as you said, the others are improving. Liverpool had a shocking season under Rafa and he was let go. They were awful with Hodgson and he was gone. Whilst we haven't been that shite yet, its only a matter of time. Either Wenger sees sense or our board should be ruthless before we drop out of the top 4. The season just passed was arguably our worst under Wenger. It was full of embarrassment and humiliation and if Wenger wasn't in last chance saloon before, he surely must be now. Certainly with the fans at least if not the board who unfortunately are more interested in the money.

Wenger is the new Brian Clough tbh. Not the Clough that won trophies but the one who overstayed his welcome and took Forest down.

Wenger is the new Brian Clough tbh

interesting comparison!

Whilst we haven't been that shite yet

agreed! but I seem to remember people saying that Forest were too good to go down and were definitely winning the sympathy vote from most of the nation but even that wasn't good enough to keep them up.
Whilst I can absolutely not see us going down or Wenger being sacked the tick of the clock gets louder every season we come up empty handed. Last season may not have been considered such a disaster if we hadn't capitulated so easily. This has a lot to do with the players and even Wenger was trying to say the right things to the press, he was either not repeating those words to the players or they were just plain simple not listening.

Wenger will feel the heat even more this year, if you though the talk of a trophy less 5 years was loud last year then wait till the season gets closer next. A manager will have to sell his ideas to the board and I am starting to think that Wenger's pitch is losing its shine and just as his words fell on deaf ears in the dressing room so they might in the boardroom if he doesn't address the situation. I, in no way hate AW, I respect him as a manager and what he has done for the club makes me proud to be a Gooner but we have all had to admit we are/were wrong at some stage of our life and doing so can for some be the most difficult thing, but we do it for a reason and that reason is because we want the future to be different.......better.....we want to be friends again with a person we respect.

AW that time is now. I think most are willing to give you another chance (some are not) but that chance is for you to do something with. To make us believers again.

I cannot say whether Wenger will ever change but if he can't then it may be time to walk away. For the time being I was encouraged by the fact that we went to see Phil Jones, we may not have gone as high as 17mil but the fact that he refused us shows that we did offer something. I would like to see Wenger not give up, Jones is out of the picture but we all know there are a couple of others waiting for an approach, can't see ManU buying another defender now......time for us to step up. Losing Cesc will not be the end of the world but not replacing or improving the stark dark areas will be.

sorry rant over......for now

[Letters]

Wenger does his own fair share of disrespecting the fans with his bullshit about team spirit and building for the future, etc, etc, ad nauseum.

Well I agree that does grate

As for Chelsea, City and Pool, we all know the story there and yet for all their turmoil two of those clubs came back and finished above us as we conspired to throw the season away again.

Yes. The two who have billionaire owners and have thrown silly money around. I'd be the first to bemoan Wenger's frugality and he should have spent more but there's no way we can compete with City or Chelsea. We should have finished above both this year and the collapse was embarrassing but we can't compete with clubs who can throw hundreds of millions around like they can.

What we witnessed (again) this year was a shocking failure and if a manager's position can't be questioned after a performance like that then when is it valid to asks questions?

I've been very clear that I think Wenger should go.
That doesn't mean I'll ever disrespect the man, I've seen Arsenal do things I never thought I'd see. The double. Twice. An unbeaten league season. A style of football I never dreamed of under Graham.
Whatever you think about the new stadium, it is a neccessary evil in the modern game and we could not have moved - would not have been at the level to do so - but for Wenger.
For all the failings of the last few years Wenger does NOT deserve some of the disrespect I see on here.

[Letters]

Wenger is the new Brian Clough tbh. Not the Clough that won trophies but the one who overstayed his welcome and took Forest down.

That's an interesting comparison. Clough took Forest places their fans could never have dreamed of. He did stay too long and ended up getting them relegated and yet he's still a hero to the Forest fans.
Wenger has done the same for us, all we've done is drop to the bottom of the top 4 rather than the top 4 and he's abused by a load of spoilt brat fans on here like he has got us relegated. It's disgraceful IMO. Questions need to be asked certainly and I do think it's time for him to go (scary as I find the idea) but I'll never disrespect him.

[selassie]

Wenger does his own fair share of disrespecting the fans with his bullshit about team spirit and building for the future, etc, etc, ad nauseum. The trouble he's got is fewer and fewer fans believe a word that comes out of his mouth. He asked for time and he got it, he got far more patience than he would have enjoyed at our (alleged) competitors. I doubt even Fergie would have survived the garbage Wenger has served up over the last few years, the calls for him to be put out to pasture would have been deafening. As for Chelsea, City and Pool, we all know the story there and yet for all their turmoil two of those clubs came back and finished above us as we conspired to throw the season away again. What we witnessed (again) this year was a shocking failure and if a manager's position can't be questioned after a performance like that then when is it valid to asks questions? Should he go? Of course he should. That's what happens to managers who fail in this game. Should he be allowed to stay based on past glories? No. That's not how it happens in this game.

For those who forgive his every fuck up because we as fans don't really know what's happening inside the club - WHO CARES? We do know what's happening in the pitch and it's not good enough, not by a long shot. And whatever some fans mistakenly believe, yes we are entitled to comment on what goes on on the pitch. And the people who have paid a fortune to sit there and watch it while their money is used to keep the club running, absolutely they have a say. In fact their say should rank above all others. Anyone who wants to sit their with their mouth taped shut regardless of what happens simply because they feel inadequate, fine go ahead, but don't be trying to impose your head-burying antics on the rest of us. You don't need a coaching badge to realise how bad we were in the title run-in this year, and last year, and the year before, and the year before. How many times should Wenger be allowed to fail? Is that what we're in this game for, to fail? Again and again and again it's been said it's not the lack of trophies that irritates the hell out of some fans. It's the decline in the standard of football, the failure to correct obvious problems, the self-evidently flawed transfer policies and the sheer fucking arrogance coming out of the boardroom and the manager's office. So fine, if Wenger and his cronies want respect then it's a two way street. About time somebody at the club started paying attention to the fans again, the fans being the paying customers who keep the whole damn operation running. And if they want respect then they'd better start earning it, the manager, the players, teh board, the fucking lot of them. How are you meant to respect an outfit the capitulates so readily, if the instruction is to respect losers then the resounding response it no, no fucking way.

Really Excellent post

[Letters]

Really Excellent post

It is a good post but it's a strange response to my point which was about the level of disrespect shown to Wenger, not the questioning of him or thinking it's time for him to move on.

[Özim]

Forgot Portsmouth in that. That's 2 clubs who are now plying their trade in the Championship that has won something since we last did.

Sure its not easy to win a trophy but for a club like us that has been there or thereabouts in the trophy hunt for the last 6 seasons but to come short all the time tells me there is a problem and that problem is the manager.

He just doesn't have what it takes to take this team that extra step and win something. His refusal to change his ways has cost us dearly and no real progress in the 6 years is worrying cos as you said, the others are improving. Liverpool had a shocking season under Rafa and he was let go. They were awful with Hodgson and he was gone. Whilst we haven't been that shite yet, its only a matter of time. Either Wenger sees sense or our board should be ruthless before we drop out of the top 4. The season just passed was arguably our worst under Wenger. It was full of embarrassment and humiliation and if Wenger wasn't in last chance saloon before, he surely must be now. Certainly with the fans at least if not the board who unfortunately are more interested in the money.

Wenger is the new Brian Clough tbh. Not the Clough that won trophies but the one who overstayed his welcome and took Forest down.

Great post that's spot on.