Is there another "top bracket" manager who has gone 7 seasons without a trophy?

[gunnerrrrr]

If he diid not care he would not look defeated simple he just give 1 or 2 excues ans be done with it.

I not convinced he is happy with 4th just because he says it means nothing.

He has never said it when we were in comps only when e get knocked out of them or look like we may go out.

maybe he needs more motivation for winning but i still say his ambtion to win is there.

Of course he cares....however this amplifies the very simple truth that he is simply not good enough anymore.

We have lost it on so many fronts over the last 7 years that it is shocking....lets start with this season and the shear amount of goals we have conceded. 5 years ago a major issue with our defednig came to light, now to be in a situation 5 years later where we are conceding a record number of goals states the fact that Wenger does not know how to manage the problem.

Then there is this whole placing 4th being a trophy! No wonder we keep on losing our best players, not to mention that we probably struggle now to attract the best youngsters....were we not close to siging Juan Mata?

Wenger has become a parody of himself, the tantrums, the quotes, the lack of trophies.....there is no chance players like RVP will stay...no chance.

Just so you all remember Frobes values us as the 7th most valuable sports brand across all sports, we are forth in terms of revenue in football alone, our fans pay through our noses to go to the football games.....and yet we cannot beat fucking Birmingham FC in a Carling Cup final.......im sorry that is down to one man and one man alone....Arsene Wenger.

I guarantee this summer we will lose RVP, yet as we have Podolski coming in and players like Wilshire returing Wenger will not buy fuck all....and watch the merry go round start again.

[Özim]

If he diid not care he would not look defeated simple he just give 1 or 2 excues ans be done with it.

I not convinced he is happy with 4th just because he says it means nothing.

He has never said it when we were in comps only when e get knocked out of them or look like we may go out.

maybe he needs more motivation for winning but i still say his ambtion to win is there.

Everyone wants to win, but only some people will do anything they need to to win.....those are the people who tend to win the trophies....Wenger won't hence the reason he's won nothing in 7 years.

[jelgoon]

Obviously he cares and Im sure he wants to win the major trophies. The stuff he churns out all the time about having succeeded in qualifying for the CL every season is just to cover his failure to win a trophy. What is he going to say `yeh I agree I am shit and cant win anything'. The real issue is the board and particularly Hill Wood. He endorses without any criticisim whatsoever what Wenger says and thats what is wrong. We desperately need someone on the executive to turn round in those pathetic stage-managed AGMs and say that it's not good enough coming fourth season after season. But no-one ever will.

If he diid not care he would not look defeated simple he just give 1 or 2 excues ans be done with it.

I not convinced he is happy with 4th just because he says it means nothing.

He has never said it when we were in comps only when e get knocked out of them or look like we may go out.

maybe he needs more motivation for winning but i still say his ambtion to win is there.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Obviously he cares and Im sure he wants to win the major trophies. The stuff he churns out all the time about having succeeded in qualifying for the CL every season is just to cover his failure to win a trophy. What is he going to say `yeh I agree I am shit and cant win anything'. The real issue is the board and particularly Hill Wood. He endorses without any criticisim whatsoever what Wenger says and thats what is wrong. We desperately need someone on the executive to turn round in those pathetic stage-managed AGMs and say that it's not good enough coming fourth season after season. But no-one ever will.

Spot on can't disagree with this at all. AW needs to stand up to the board because while he don't its all on him.

Everyone wants to win, but only some people will do anything they need to to win.....those are the people who tend to win the trophies....Wenger won't hence the reason he's won nothing in 7 years.

True, I agree he needs to go that extral mile instead of thinking he can win things on the cheap etc.

You don't need to spend a bucket load to win the league but you can't win it on peanuts either and as soon as tptb realise this the better.

[Power n Glory]

It's all pride. He wants to show the world that he's right and everyone else is wrong. He looks hurt after each loss because his pride has been dented. What he's doing is a bit selfish. He gives young players a chance but it's a bit selfish to expect them to go without silverware so he can prove the world wrong and feed his ego. That is why I think RVP should go I Wenger isn't prepared to what's needed.

[Kano]

I changed my post somewhat, but if your point is valid then in a sense yes, though it's a bit more complex than that. I personally think Arsenal fans just put up and shut up on the whole, there's not really many signs of discontent overall....maybe fans are happy paying sky high prices, getting 4th every season and having a board who are happy lining their own pockets.

or maybe they go to games to support the team because they love the club and are fans? just a thought.

[Ollie the Optimist]

I can't think of one, but it's OK for Wenger as 4th place is like a major trophy. If I was AW I'd be pretty disappointed with my performance and career in the last 7 years, you'd have thought he'd have wanted to add a few more trophies to his collection, sadly he seems content with 4th places.....is there another big club manager with so little ambition to succeed?

It seems a long long time ago since we were that top side who were great to watch and so competitive, if you look at his record over the whole period with us it's not really that great.

except he has the best win % in the history of Arsenal managers so comapring to other managers with us, he has been exceptional.

[Özim]

or maybe they go to games to support the team because they love the club and are fans? just a thought.

Maybe but I think blindly going to games when the board have no respect for you and only care about cashing in, all whilst paying the highest ticket prices and seeing little investment isn't the smartest thing to do, it's just encouraging the problem.

This isn't the same as supporting a small club with little resources and paying reasonable prices, it's supporting businessmen who treat you with contempt and feel they can do anything they want and get away with it, most fans show their discontent at this kind of thing.

Not winning is one thing, the way the club treats it fans is something completely different.

[Özim]

except he has the best win % in the history of Arsenal managers so comapring to other managers with us, he has been exceptional.

Who gives a sh*t about that though, the history books won't remember win %, it's a meaningless stat if you're not achieving any success.

I don't think he's been exceptional, 7 years without a trophy rather shatters this idea, if you look at his overall record based on the time he's been here the success he's achieved is inferior to certain other managers we've had.

[DJ Philosophe]

If 4th place is like a trophy to Wenger he will be on cloud 9 if we make 3rd!