Luis Suarez thread

[Ollie the Optimist]

Arsenal given clear run at Luis Suarez after Real Madrid 'pull out'

ARSENAL look to be the sole contenders for Luis Suarez's signature after Real Madrid appear to have pulled out of the race for his signature.

By: Charles PerrinPublished: Thu, July 25, 2013
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Could Luis Suarez be waving goodbye to Liverpool?

Despite seeing their bizarre bid of £40m + £1 for the 26-year-old rejected by Liverpool, the Uruguayan has been permitted to talk to the Gunners.

Their bid was laughed off by Liverpool owner John W. Henry, who tweeted yesterday: "What do you think they're smoking over at the Emirates?".

Though Real Madrid were also closely connected with a move for Suarez, it seems they are about to cool their interest.

Real saw Gonzalo Higuain complete a £34.5m move to Napoli yesterday after he passed a medical and he is expected to be officially presented on Monday.

Brendan Rodgers says Luis Suarez owes Liverpool fans a debt of gratitude

Brendan Rodgers thinks Luis Suarez is worth as much as Edinson Cavani

Brendan Rodgers says Arsenal need to up their bid for Luis Suarez

Real Madrid 'pull out' of race for Luis Suarez
Marca, who are a mouthpiece for Real, understand that Suarez is no longer on their agenda as they are not looking for a direct replacement for the Argentine.

The ball appears to be in Suarez's court, even though Brendan Rodgers has valued the striker the same as Edinson Cavani, who joined PSG for £55m.

Suarez came off the bench and played 18 minutes of Liverpool's pre-season win over Melbourne Victory in front of a full house at the MCG.

Real Madrid it seems aren't looking for a replacement for Gonzalo Higuain

Jese Rodriguez has penned a new four-year deal with Real Madrid

Real Madrid have been inextricably linked with Gareth Bale

Real Madrid 'pull out' of race for Luis Suarez
Real have managed to tie down Jese Rodriguez, who was a Spurs target, has penned a four-year deal which will see him stay at the Bernebeu until 2017.

They also appear close to be offering Alvaro Moratta, who caught the eye of Liverpool, a new deal too.

Meanwhile, Real are not giving up on their pursuit of Gareth Bale, even though Andre Villas-Boas has categorically stated he is not for sale.

http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/417388/Arsenal-given-clear-run-at-Luis-Suarez-after-Real-Madrid-pull-out?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+daily-express-football-news+%28Daily+Express+%3A%3A+Football+Feed%29

from the express today.

[Özil's Panoramic View]

Reading that and Rodgers hardly appears to be the brightest of persons, right?

[McNamara That Ghost...]

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[Shaqiri Is Boss]

What has Rodgers said that is wrong in that article?

[Grebbo]

Comparing Suarez to Cavani is silly. Cavani went for £50m because PSG wanted him. Chelsea stopped bidding at around £40m. So basically when you start getting up towards the £50m mark for a player only a handful of clubs can afford to buy him. If those clubs already have great strikers then you're not going to be able to sell your striker to those clubs.

Cavani's scoring record is much better than Suarez's, he's not constantly suspended and seemingly has a far better character so of course he's worth more.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Also, didn't PSG just cut out the middle man and pay Cavani's release clause? If so, it's not like they actually valued him at that but 10 million extra doesn't mean a huge amount to them.

Napoli are also a Champions League club whereas Liverpool are currently not and I know we are in the same country but that's not the comparison Rodgers made - the only comparison he made was based on the players, not where the clubs are situated (although that means me mentioning the Champions League is a bit pointless).

[LDG]

What has Rodgers said that is wrong in that article?

Brendan Rogers has strange lips.

[Grebbo]

Yeah, I find it very odd that so many Liverpool fans, their owner and manager seemingly think £40m is way under Suarez's value. Who the hell is going to pay more for him?? If PSG thought he was so great they'd have bought him instead of Cavani. RM seemingly don't want him, Barca don't need him, Bayern are stacked with players, Monaco bought Falcao and Chelsea prefer Rooney - there's no other clubs in the running.

Liverpool should be counting their lucky stars that they somehow managed to persuade Suarez to sign a new contract last season otherwise they'd be selling him for about £20m.

Also all of this nonsense about Liverpool being loyal to Suarez is wearing a bit thin. They were loyal because he's their best player by a country mile, a lesser player would have been hung out to dry.

[Özim]

Yeah, I find it very odd that so many Liverpool fans, their owner and manager seemingly think £40m is way under Suarez's value. Who the hell is going to pay more for him?? If PSG thought he was so great they'd have bought him instead of Cavani. RM seemingly don't want him, Barca don't need him, Bayern are stacked with players, Monaco bought Falcao and Chelsea prefer Rooney - there's no other clubs in the running.

Liverpool should be counting their lucky stars that they somehow managed to persuade Suarez to sign a new contract last season otherwise they'd be selling him for about £20m.

Also all of this nonsense about Liverpool being loyal to Suarez is wearing a bit thin. They were loyal because he's their best player by a country mile, a lesser player would have been hung out to dry.
I think the point is Liverpool don't want to sell, if they did it might be different.

I think the £40,000,001 thing (if true) was a stupid thing to do, it comes across really petty and is more likely to make Liverpool dig their heels in and be more determined not to sell to us.

[Grebbo]

His original contract about 2 contracts ago went up until 2016, so no we wouldn't have to sell for £20m. As for the other stuff. No.

So you think he's worth £50m the same as Cavani - who's a better player, isn't always suspended and has a better character AND only had one club meet his release clause of £50m?

I guess you're just not used to selling your best players like we are. £40m is a very fair price imo.

[Grebbo]

I think the point is Liverpool don't want to sell, if they did it might be different.

Well yes but we didn't want to sell Nasri, Cesc, RVP etc etc but it didn't really matter much. Ok so we bent over more than Liverpool will but how the fuck are they going to handle a Suarez that wants out??? Their only hope is that Arsenal isn't a giant step up from Liverpool so they might be able to convince him to stay for another season and wait for a better club to come after him next summer. You're only prolonging the inevitable though so the club might decide Suarez isn't worth the hassle and will instead use the £40m to rebuild.

[Letters]

I think the point is Liverpool don't want to sell, if they did it might be different.

I think the £40,000,001 thing (if true) was a stupid thing to do, it comes across really petty and is more likely to make Liverpool dig their heels in and be more determined not to sell to us.
Your default position is everything we do is wrong/stupid. :shrug:

[Özim]

Your default position is everything we do is wrong/stupid. :shrug:
No not really, but who bids an extra pound, sorry but that comes across really petty, I've never heard of any other club doing this kind of thing.

[Niall_Quinn]

Your default position is everything we do is wrong/stupid. :shrug:

Your face is wrong and stupid.

[Özim]

Well yes but we didn't want to sell Nasri, Cesc, RVP etc etc but it didn't really matter much. Ok so we bent over more than Liverpool will but how the fuck are they going to handle a Suarez that wants out??? Their only hope is that Arsenal isn't a giant step up from Liverpool so they might be able to convince him to stay for another season and wait for a better club to come after him next summer. You're only prolonging the inevitable though so the club might decide Suarez isn't worth the hassle and will instead use the £40m to rebuild.
That's us though and we're a bit of a soft touch when it comes to money in the bank and all that. We needn't have sold them, we could have dug our heels in, we chose not to and got rid in most cases at knockdown prices.

A club can choose not to sell a player under contract, a player won't sit on the sidelines especially not in World Cup year, Liverpool don't have to sell he's got 3 years left and that's enough to keep him even if he wants to leave knowing that he has to play due to the World Cup next year.

[Grebbo]

The only thing I think we did wrong was not to have bid the £40m before he left for Australia. You could potentially have then kept him away from his manager and teammates which I think would have been a good idea. You then convince him to join Arse and to sit tight and force the move.

[Ollie the Optimist]

Not for the first time we have to ask a classic question of the manager of Arsenal. However, this time we cannot anticipate, almost word for word, the answer from the man with the furrowed brow and the haunted expression.

“What’s it all about Arsène?” has, after all, always brought an unswerving response.

It was about the building of teams imbued with the highest football values. They were scouted not only for the talent that had perhaps not been properly appraised by rivals – Thierry Henry, Patrick Vieira, Cesc Fabregas, to mention just a few of his most stunning signings – but their ability to adapt to the ethos of a team that not so long ago were near perfect representatives of a beautiful game.

Of course the game has changed, the market has sharpened out of all recognition, along with the influence of agents relentless in pursuit of the main chance, but sufficiently, we have to ask, for Wenger to see Luis Suarez, of all people, as the redeemer of Arsenal’s lost years?

The word from the Emirates is insistent. Wenger, empowered with £70m or so to compete with the new strength of Manuel Pellegrini’s Manchester City and the residual power of Jose Mourinho’s Chelsea and David Moyes at Manchester United, sees Suarez as the glittering prize to fill the vacuum left by Robin van Persie.

So what happened to the ethos of Arsenal? What happened to all those values of character and patient team-building that were offered up as the great compensation for eight years without a sniff of a major trophy? What happened to the business plan founded on football sanity?

It appears to have been wrapped up in some haste and thrown at the feet of an undoubtedly brilliant football player who unfortunately also happens to be a racial abuser, a biter of opponents and an unabashed cheat.

Nor can his superb natural gifts provide instant momentum in return for a bid which seems likely to rise above its current level of £40m. There is the matter of the six matches still to be served of his suspension for chewing into Chelsea’s Branislav Ivanovic.

There is also the uncomfortable but unavoidable fact that Suarez has rewarded Liverpool, the management, fellow players and, not least the crowd, for nearly two years of excruciating come-what-may support with a display of disloyalty that might raise a frown below decks in a sinking ship.

This is not to say that Liverpool will capsize in Suarez’s impending absence. Unquestionably they will miss his extraordinary, explosive skills, but in Brendan Rodgers they have a young coach of impressive vision who has just experienced an ultimate crash course in the hazards of saying one thing – “no one is bigger than the club” – and then contradicting himself in almost every reaction to the conduct of an apparently shameless recidivist.

Wenger’s dramatic change of emphasis has provoked at least one strange projection of a new Arsenal dream team. Odd, this is, in that the inclusion of the hugely problematic Suarez alongside the shop-soiled Wayne Rooney suggests nightmare quite as much as fantasy.

Over a decade ago Wenger, having watched the prodigious teenager shatter his superb team with a goal of mesmerising power at Goodison Park, said that Rooney was the most impressive young English player he had ever seen. He was filled with invention, a natural sense of where to be on the field and a withering capacity to hurt the opposition. Wenger then spoke with the passion, and the idealism, of a man who had made his name for recognising the potential of striking but still unformed talent. It is a poignant reminder of how his football world once revolved.

Now the old visionary and once reluctant cheque-wielder appears committed to a policy that would, back then, have scandalised his best intentions. He will, we are told, take Rooney 18 months after such a hard judge as Sir Alex Ferguson concluded that he had to move for someone who could guarantee him performance, someone like Van Persie. There is a huge irony, here, and also a sad commentary on the options open to the man who seemed to represent all that was best, and most inspired, in the shaping of a football club that could not only win but hugely enhance the quality of the game.

If Suarez, especially, shows up at the Emirates he will no doubt provoke huge excitement. Players of his innate ability always do. As he proved at Liverpool and Ajax before that, he has the ability to lift any team. Not the least sadness of his most recent outrage against Ivanovic was that it was almost immediately followed by a goal of genius, and instinctive sense of how to deliver a killing blow.

Arsenal, everyone knows, are in huge need of that quality and for a little while at least it may be that Suarez will deliver it without complication. He has done it before. When he arrived from Ajax, where he was voted Player of the Year before gaining the less welcome title of “The Cannibal” after his first biting offence, he illuminated Anfield not only with a sublime and aggressive touch but also a passion for competition. He hated to be substituted, he relished the new challenge he faced.

Arsenal may be relishing such a prospect, but for how long? What’s it all about Arsène? The worry has to be that it is, if you forgive the expression, pure desperation. http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/news-and-comment/james-lawton-arsenals-bid-for-luis-suarez-smacks-of-desperation--and-signals-that-arsene-wenger-has-lost-his-attachment-to-higher-values-8730929.html

i wondered how long it would before the press turned on wenger and hammered him for spending money instead of not spending it. also what the writer fails to realise is that the money we are spending on suarez, is our money, earnt over the last 8 years. not given to us by a sugar daddy, it was earnt by us and if we choose to spend it all on one player then we can.its our right to spend that money how we want.

for years they have hammered wenger for only wanting top four, not buying players, being cheap, and now he does what htey want him to do, they turn and hammer him for doing what they have been moaning he hasnt done before.

[Shaqiri Is Boss]

So you think he's worth £50m the same as Cavani - who's a better player, isn't always suspended and has a better character AND only had one club meet his release clause of £50m?

I guess you're just not used to selling your best players like we are. £40m is a very fair price imo.
Yes.

But that's not what we're going to get.

[LDG]

No not really, but who bids an extra pound, sorry but that comes across really petty, I've never heard of any other club doing this kind of thing.

So you think tapping up is better?

Shit man. The times we've been raped by players blatently being tapped up.

You want us to play with the big boys. That's exactly how the big boys behave.

[Ollie the Optimist]

No not really, but who bids an extra pound, sorry but that comes across really petty, I've never heard of any other club doing this kind of thing.

because they wanted to see if the clause was real or not?

[Özim]

So you think tapping up is better?

Shit man. The times we've been raped by players blatently being tapped up.

You want us to play with the big boys. That's exactly how the big boys behave.
No I don't think so, but by bidding £1 extra you're going to royally p*ss off the sellers as well making it harder to get what you want.

[Ollie the Optimist]

No I don't think so, but by bidding £1 extra you're going to royally p*ss off the sellers as well making it harder to get what you want.

what happens, if as saurez's camp believe, any bid from a champions league club over 40 million is a release clause? we've paid a pound extra instead of a million pounds etc

[Letters]

Your face is wrong and stupid.
You sound like my wife <_<

[Özim]

because they wanted to see if the clause was real or not?
Maybe they should have bid a bit more seeing as Liverpool were always going to reject 40 million (maybe 40.25 million or something), isn't that the usual way.

[Grebbo]

i wondered how long it would before the press turned on wenger and hammered him for spending money instead of not spending it. also what the writer fails to realise is that the money we are spending on suarez, is our money, earnt over the last 8 years. not given to us by a sugar daddy, it was earnt by us and if we choose to spend it all on one player then we can.its our right to spend that money how we want.

for years they have hammered wenger for only wanting top four, not buying players, being cheap, and now he does what htey want him to do, they turn and hammer him for doing what they have been moaning he hasnt done before.

Don't bother reading drivel written by lefties sat in their million pound London pads. They write more shit than right wingers and that's saying something.

We, like every other club, sold our soul many moons ago. We're sponsored by a Middle Eastern dictatorship FFS.

I don't care how much we spend, or who we spend it on, or where the money comes from as long as we win something.

Caring never got anyone anywhere other than to the bottom of society.

[Ollie the Optimist]

Maybe they should have bid a bit more seeing as Liverpool were always going to reject 40 million (maybe 40.25 million or something), isn't that the usual way.

because if the clause is a release clause as suarez believes it is, why waste 24,999 pounds when 1 will do

[LDG]

No I don't think so, but by bidding £1 extra you're going to royally p*ss off the sellers as well making it harder to get what you want.

Do you not think that we were pissed off about the tapping up of Cesc, or Nasri, or Cashley, or Henry.....?? Did that make a difference?

It's player power nowadays, and all weve done is put more of the ball in Suarez's court. Shitty? Yes. But you want us to show ambition....that's the way you do it now.

[Özim]

what happens, if as saurez's camp believe, any bid from a champions league club over 40 million is a release clause? we've paid a pound extra instead of a million pounds etc
This makes no sense to me, how does his camp not know, when the contract was signed this would have been negotiated. They either know or they don't, there's no in between.

[Marc Overmars]

Forget about the £1, that's a technicality. It's a 40m bid and that's what we wanted to test the waters with.

If that pisses Liverpool off then so be it. Hopefully Suarez kicks off anyway.

[Grebbo]

Maybe they should have bid a bit more seeing as Liverpool were always going to reject 40 million (maybe 40.25 million or something), isn't that the usual way.

£250,000 is a lot of dosh. Stan can get a new Roller for that.

[LDG]

This makes no sense to me, how does his camp not know, when the contract was signed this would have been negotiated. They either know or they don't, there's no in between.

Liverpool haven't said anything about it. They haven't said we've done anything wrong.

Therefore, one would assume, we said £35mil. They said, cock off, there's a clause for 40+ and we called it.

If we're making shit up without knowing the true story, then this sounds more plausible to me.

[Özim]

Do you not think that we were pissed off about the tapping up of Cesc, or Nasri, or Cashley, or Henry.....?? Did that make a difference?

It's player power nowadays, and all weve done is put more of the ball in Suarez's court. Shitty? Yes. But you want us to show ambition....that's the way you do it now.
Not Liverpools fault to be fair and we've tapped up our fair share of kids as well so we're not totally innocent (Flamini when we signed him p*ssed off his club as well).

Yes we probably were, but we didn't really try hard enough to keep them in recent years, we just seem to feed them empty promises year on year and that won't convince a player every year.

It's only player power because clubs choose to give in, Man City didn't with Tevez and he ended up coming running back with his tail between his legs, they all will eventually they'll have no choice.

As for showing ambition yes I do, just find it odd that a club would bid £1 extra, it's an odd thing to do.

[Özim]

Liverpool haven't said anything about it. They haven't said we've done anything wrong.

Therefore, one would assume, we said £35mil. They said, cock off, there's a clause for 40+ and we called it.

If we're making shit up without knowing the true story, then this sounds more plausible to me.
But Liverpool don't want to sell so are you saying him talking to us is nonsense as well then?

[Letters]

Maybe they should have bid a bit more seeing as Liverpool were always going to reject 40 million (maybe 40.25 million or something), isn't that the usual way.
The initial bid seems a pretty clear attempt to trigger the clause in Suarez's contract which means he can talk to us.
If we do that and it's clear Suarez doesn't want to join us anyway (or his salary expectations are significantly different to what we're prepared to offer) then fine but unless we have that conversation there's no point wasting time trying to agree a fee with Liverpool.

You moan we don't make big bids for proper players, then you say you don't believe we have, now you're saying it's the wrong bid. :shrug:

[Ollie the Optimist]

Not Liverpools fault to be fair and we've tapped up our fair share of kids as well so we're not totally innocent.

Yes we probably were, but we didn't really try hard enough to keep them in recent years, we just seem to feed them empty promises year on year and that won't convince a player every year.

It's only player power because clubs choose to give in, Man City didn't with Tevez and he ended up coming running back with his tail between his legs, they all will eventually they'll have no choice.

As for showing ambition yes I do, just find it odd that a club would bid £1 extra, it's an odd thing to do.


yeah tevez hardly ran back to the club with his tail between his legs when he still picking up 280k a week or whatever ridclous wage he was on.

and you say empty promises, what can liverpool promise him? not much really. no champions league, hardly world class players alongside him, maybe a long cup run? tahts its. really

[Niall_Quinn]

Racism existed before the corporation. I knew you’d go off on a tangent. Again, wood for the trees. Do you really think racism was created in a vacuum?

If you view the root causes (which supposedly I'm avoiding) as a tangent then there's nowhere left to go, is there? Also, if specifically drawing your attention to the wood is to be taken as ignoring the wood in favour of the trees (the Suarez incident being a wood rather than a tree in this case, I suppose?), then you win that round too. Well done. And I guess most of what I posted fell off your screen which is the only way you could reach the conclusion I image racism is created in a vacuum. Your faith in the individual is touching, notwithstanding the facts. Some might say the abject failure of the individual to demonstrate even a hint of personal responsibility in favour of abdicating it to centralised authority lies at the heart of most social and political problems. They'd be right, obviously.

[Özim]

The initial bid seems a pretty clear attempt to trigger the clause in Suarez's contract which means he can talk to us.
If we do that and it's clear Suarez doesn't want to join us anyway (or his salary expectations are significantly different to what we're prepared to offer) then fine but unless we have that conversation there's no point wasting time trying to agree a fee with Liverpool.

You moan we don't make big bids for proper players, then you say you don't believe we have, now you're saying it's the wrong bid. :shrug:
Again though, noone seems to know about this clause, could be total b*llocks.

I don't even know if it's true, but like I said if it is it will p*ss off his club, the extra £1 just seems like a patronising p*ss take to me. :lol:

[Özim]

yeah tevez hardly ran back to the club with his tail between his legs when he still picking up 280k a week or whatever ridclous wage he was on.

and you say empty promises, what can liverpool promise him? not much really. no champions league, hardly world class players alongside him, maybe a long cup run? tahts its. really
Well yeah he did, he backtracked and ended up coming back like a good boy and playing despite being adamant he was leaving.

So I would say he came back with his tail between his legs.

Liverpool don't have much except the promise of regular football and a guaranteed transfer next season (possibly to a club like Real which must be his preference as he wanted to leave England). Signing for us would delay any possible move to one of football's biggest clubs for sure.

[Letters]

The bid is pretty clear indication that the clause exists.

[Ollie the Optimist]

Again though, noone seems to know about this clause, could be total b*llocks.

I don't even know if it's true, but like I said if it is it will p*ss off his club, the extra £1 just seems like a patronising p*ss take to me. :lol:

if it works, we are geniuses. if it doesnt, suarez still wants to join, liverpool will accept 50 million. theyve already stated he is for sale at that price. there is nothing to lose in waht we did

[Ollie the Optimist]

Well yeah he did, he backtracked and ended up coming back like a good boy and playing despite being adamant he was leaving.

So I would say he came back with his tail between his legs.

Liverpool don't have much except the promise of regular football and a guaranteed transfer next season (possibly to a club like Real which must be his preference as he wanted to leave England). Signing for us would delay any possible move to one of football's biggest clubs for sure.

regular football? thats a bollocks promise, we are hardly going to pay 40 million for a striker then stick him on the bench. he will be first choice here, but he gets to play in the champions league. thats a bigger draw then nothing for year, and as maccy mentioned before, its a world cup year.

[Özim]

The bid is pretty clear indication that the clause exists.
According to everything we see the word "believe" comes up a lot, that's doesn't come across as "sure" to me. Either they know or they don't.

[Kano]

So you think he's worth £50m the same as Cavani - who's a better player, isn't always suspended and has a better character AND only had one club meet his release clause of £50m?

I guess you're just not used to selling your best players like we are. £40m is a very fair price imo.
of course he's worth it. it's what happens when a big club sells a big player to another big club. you break transfer records. it's the only way this will happen.

was rio ferdinand worth £18m, 12 years ago? that translates to a stupid amount now.

this is not happening for anything near 40. 48+ or nowt. so basically, it ain't happening.

[Özim]

regular football? thats a bollocks promise, we are hardly going to pay 40 million for a striker then stick him on the bench. he will be first choice here, but he gets to play in the champions league. thats a bigger draw then nothing for year, and as maccy mentioned before, its a world cup year.
and if we signed him his dream of a move to Real for example would have to wait another year or two, whereas if he stayed at Liverpool and they promised him a move next summer he'd have a chance of going there, which if you believe reports is unlikely this summer (may well be untrue who knows).

[fakeyank]

Why dont we just go for Benzema and give Real more money to have Suarez? Sick of this shit now!

[Ollie the Optimist]

and if we signed him his dream of a move to Real for example would have to wait another year or two, whereas if he stayed at Liverpool and they promised him a move next summer he'd have a chance of going there, which if you believe reports is unlikely this summer (may well be untrue who knows).

and if he has a bad year at liverpool next year, wins nothing, madrid move on to the next new striker and he is stuck at liverpool wasting in mid table. we know what madrid are like, they are so fickle and move on quicker then katie price.

[Ollie the Optimist]

Why dont we just go for Benzema and give Real more money to have Suarez? Sick of this shit now!

because benzema is not as good as suarez?

[Letters]

According to everything we see the word "believe" comes up a lot, that's doesn't come across as "sure" to me. Either they know or they don't.
OK. Well either the bid amount was because of a wild guess/rumour they'd heard, or they knew.
I'd say the latter is pretty likely. Tip off from an agent or similar.
Even if it was the former, so what? We took a punt based on something we'd heard. It's paid off in as much as Suarez apparently now wants to speak to us. It seems likely we were pretty sure about it, it's too random an amount to have bid otherwise.

[Özim]

and if he has a bad year at liverpool next year, wins nothing, madrid move on to the next new striker and he is stuck at liverpool wasting in mid table. we know what madrid are like, they are so fickle and move on quicker then katie price.
If he does then we've had a lucky escape and not waste 75 million :lol:

I don't get the feeling he lacks belief in his ability though.

[Özim]

OK. Well either the bid amount was because of a wild guess/rumour they'd heard, or they knew.
I'd say the latter is pretty likely. Tip off from an agent or similar.
Even if it was the former, so what? We took a punt based on something we'd heard. It's paid off in as much as Suarez apparently now wants to speak to us. It seems likely we were pretty sure about it, it's too random an amount to have bid otherwise.
OK still reckon he'll cost closer to 50 million though, Liverpool won't sell at a knockdown price because they don't have to.

[LDG]

Meh. We may stop at 40m

Wenfer has already got transfer vertigo. He must have been on crack for that one anyway.

He'll come back with a new improved offer of 15m now.

Be interested to know if we have any other striker targets....though we've now shown our hand, and nobody will come cheap.

[Letters]

OK still reckon he'll cost closer to 50 million though, Liverpool won't sell at a knockdown price because they don't have to.
Maybe but if we knew about the clause and wanted to have an initial conversation with the player before negotiating with the club then it makes sense.
I wouldn't be happy about us spending £50m on him tbh, he's not that good but the whole transfer market is so inflated and ridiculous now then who knows what a reasonable amount for anyone is any more.

[Marc Overmars]

OK still reckon he'll cost closer to 50 million though, Liverpool won't sell at a knockdown price because they don't have to.

Think we could get him cheaper if it runs through August but that's on the basis of him kicking off at them. It would be a risky move on our part though to not try and settle it soon, as it would be a disaster if Liverpool flat out refuse to sell him and we're left with a wad of cash and Yaya Sanogo.

[Niall_Quinn]

i wondered how long it would before the press turned on wenger and hammered him for spending money instead of not spending it. also what the writer fails to realise is that the money we are spending on suarez, is our money, earnt over the last 8 years. not given to us by a sugar daddy, it was earnt by us and if we choose to spend it all on one player then we can.its our right to spend that money how we want.

for years they have hammered wenger for only wanting top four, not buying players, being cheap, and now he does what htey want him to do, they turn and hammer him for doing what they have been moaning he hasnt done before.

What an incredible load of bollocks that article is. Dripping with bitterness. I also notice Rooney is becoming shop soiled now he may be moving on. I think what we need to offset such a gloomy barrow of shit is an uplifting article on the wonderful David Moyes.

[Shaqiri Is Boss]

That's the card I hope we're holding, in that if we do refuse to sell him that he won't go on strike since it's a World Cup year. It would surely be too much of a risk for him to put his place in jeopardy.

Either way, I can see him putting a transfer request in, so it may come down to whether another team comes in for him. If he does kick off then I think we would relent at some point.

[Kano]

wenger does what they want him to do? he hasn't spent f all bar some shitty little kid!

[Özil's Panoramic View]

wenger does what they want him to do? he hasn't spent f all bar some shitty little kid!


the man is a bloody genius.....a god if I may.

[Ollie the Optimist]

have to say, id never thought id see the day where wenger would bid 40 million for a proven world class player and that it would be zimm arguing against it :lol:

[Ollie the Optimist]

That's the card I hope we're holding, in that if we do refuse to sell him that he won't go on strike since it's a World Cup year. It would surely be too much of a risk for him to put his place in jeopardy.

Either way, I can see him putting a transfer request in, so it may come down to whether another team comes in for him. If he does kick off then I think we would relent at some point.

every club he has been at hes kicked off hasnt he? didnt he take ajax to a tribunal over his move to you guys, or at least threatened to? i think we can safely assume he will kick off and that i reckon this deal will be settled at around 45 million

[Letters]

have to say, id never thought id see the day where wenger would bid 40 million for a proven world class player and that it would be zimm arguing against it :lol:
If Wenger announced he'd found a cure for cancer Zimm would call him a **** and grumble about him not concentrating on signing players.

[Niall_Quinn]

every club he has been at hes kicked off hasnt he? didnt he take ajax to a tribunal over his move to you guys, or at least threatened to? i think we can safely assume he will kick off and that i reckon this deal will be settled at around 45 million

And it makes you wonder how useful it will be in the long run to have a player who kicks off everywhere he goes. On the plus side, when he bites his next victim we'll know he wants out. No pissing around.

[Niall_Quinn]

If Wenger announced he'd found a cure for cancer Zimm would call him a **** and grumble about him not concentrating on signing players.

Yes, but Wenger hasn't found the cure for cancer, has he? Bendtner is still here.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

16 pages :lol:

someone put a quid on 160 by the end of august.

[Ollie the Optimist]

And it makes you wonder how useful it will be in the long run to have a player who kicks off everywhere he goes. On the plus side, when he bites his next victim we'll know he wants out. No pissing around.

very true, but lets stop worrying about the future, lets just go big and bold now.

[Niall_Quinn]

16 pages :lol:

someone put a quid on 160 by the end of august.

I say 240

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

whatevs man u iz a pussyhole blud

[Özil's Panoramic View]

have to say, id never thought id see the day where wenger would bid 40 million for a proven world class player and that it would be zimm arguing against it :lol:

though I kinda get Zimm's point, which isn't really his point but more an uprooting of one of the uprights, I must say he's had a bit of a shocker.

Wenger. :bow:

wins again. I give up.

[Ollie the Optimist]

If Wenger announced he'd found a cure for cancer Zimm would call him a **** and grumble about him not concentrating on signing players.

its quite an incrediable u turn. moaning about paying too much for a player and that we should buy an unknown player and devolp him because he may be exciting to watch

[Niall_Quinn]

very true, but lets stop worrying about the future, lets just go big and bold now.

Okay. But let me know when I can start worrying again please because I get worried when I'm not worried.

[Niall_Quinn]

whatevs man u iz a pussyhole blud

You a foreign chap?

[Ollie the Optimist]

Okay. But let me know when I can start worrying again please because I get worried when I'm not worried.

how we will pay his wages when we have been knocked out of everything by march :good:

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

6 posts in the space of 120 seconds

goonersweb :bow:

and people said we were dying :pal:

[Özil's Panoramic View]

whatevs man u iz a pussyhole blud

iz who d bloodklaawt u a style az pussyhole?

[Shaqiri Is Boss]

every club he has been at hes kicked off hasnt he? didnt he take ajax to a tribunal over his move to you guys, or at least threatened to? i think we can safely assume he will kick off and that i reckon this deal will be settled at around 45 million
Pretty much. I don't think it got that far, but he certainly wanted to leave Ajax. I think I said earlier, if he kicks off on us he'll kick off on you too.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

You a foreign chap?

you calling me muslamic?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjuNuqIev8M

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

iz who d bloodklaawt u a style az pussyhole?

:blink:

[Ollie the Optimist]

Pretty much. I don't think it got that far, but he certainly wanted to leave Ajax. I think I said earlier, if he kicks off on us he'll kick off on you too.

oh yeah, am sure he would, however its been 8 years. if we can afford him, time to go big and challenge.

[Özil's Panoramic View]

:blink:

:lol:

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

anyway back on topic. why are we buying suarez when we have bendtner?

[Niall_Quinn]

you calling me muslamic?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjuNuqIev8M

Yeah, and evryfink.

[Ollie the Optimist]

you calling me muslamic?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjuNuqIev8M

does he say about 1.14 muslims have ray guns?

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

dunno, ask cripps




:run:

[GP]

Muslamics :haha:

[Özim]

If Wenger announced he'd found a cure for cancer Zimm would call him a **** and grumble about him not concentrating on signing players.
No, I'd actually wonder when the f*ck he became a scientist. :lol:

[Özim]

Also Suarez isn't signing for us btw. Just putting it out there :lol:

[Özim]

every club he has been at hes kicked off hasnt he? didnt he take ajax to a tribunal over his move to you guys, or at least threatened to? i think we can safely assume he will kick off and that i reckon this deal will be settled at around 45 million
In 2 years time it'll be our turn no doubt.

Suarez for 20 million anyone?

[Ollie the Optimist]

In 2 years time it'll be our turn no doubt.

Suarez for 20 million anyone?

if in those two years we won a couple of trophies. would you give a shit?

[Özim]

if in those two years we won a couple of trophies. would you give a shit?
Unlikely with the state of our current squad let's be honest, hence my reasoning for signing 3-4 quality players, I want us to win stuff sooner rather than later.

and yes I would give a sh*t as I wouldn't want us to lose one of our best players to another club again.

[Dicks and chicks]

Well yes but we didn't want to sell Nasri, Cesc, RVP etc etc but it didn't really matter much. Ok so we bent over more than Liverpool will but how the fuck are they going to handle a Suarez that wants out??? Their only hope is that Arsenal isn't a giant step up from Liverpool so they might be able to convince him to stay for another season and wait for a better club to come after him next summer. You're only prolonging the inevitable though so the club might decide Suarez isn't worth the hassle and will instead use the £40m to rebuild.
We need that 40 million to rebuild though

[fakeyank]

because benzema is not as good as suarez?

Well its not that Suarez is better and we should bid 50 million quid for him. In that case, lets bid 250 million and try to get Messi. The point is to get what is more feasible and get our squad sorted as soon as possible. This BS wrangling of putting in a 1 pound more offer than the clause is getting tiring. We only have a little over a month of the transfer window and all we have to show for it is an under 21 mess called Sanogo!
If we have the money, get Fellaini for whatever his release clause is and get it done with! It looks likely we will end up with fuck all or end up with avg to above avg players on deadline day... just like any other season in the last 7-8 years!!

[Ollie the Optimist]

Well its not that Suarez is better and we should bid 50 million quid for him. In that case, lets bid 250 million and try to get Messi. The point is to get what is more feasible and get our squad sorted as soon as possible. This BS wrangling of putting in a 1 pound more offer than the clause is getting tiring. We only have a little over a month of the transfer window and all we have to show for it is an under 21 mess called Sanogo!
If we have the money, get Fellaini for whatever his release clause is and get it done with! It looks likely we will end up with fuck all or end up with avg to above avg players on deadline day... just like any other season in the last 7-8 years!!

you say we have ended up with above average players for last 8 years, and now when the club is finally ready to go big for that genuine world class player you are still moaning and want them to go for other targets. you cant moan as you repeatly have done over last few years about not going for the big players, then moan when we do.

[fakeyank]

you say we have ended up with above average players for last 8 years, and now when the club is finally ready to go big for that genuine world class player you are still moaning and want them to go for other targets. you cant moan as you repeatly have done over last few years about not going for the big players, then moan when we do.

My friend.. If we are bidding for the big players, we might as well put in a real bid that will be accepted. Either we go big or go home. At one place, we seem to have money but we are acting like penny pinchers with Suarez. Find out what the real valuation for Suarez is.. put an offer thats 5 million less than that and negotiate and not act like a cheap f*ck. If we are really serious about him, pay him the money and move on.
I am asking us to move on because up front is not the only problem in our team! Our whole squad needs quality players... lets cover those areas while we have time, before the big guys like Utd, Chelsea etc come in and swoop for them.

[Grebbo]

It's certainly a high risk strategy for us to be going for Suarez. We effectively gave up on the Higuain deal to get Suarez. If we can't get him then who do we then go for who is substantially better than Giroud?

If we do get Suarez then it's a massive coup and the risk would have obviously been worthwhile.

I personally think, as do others on here, that we wont sign a striker if we can't get Suarez. Instead we'll buy better midfielders.

[Grebbo]

My friend.. If we are bidding for the big players, we might as well put in a real bid that will be accepted. Either we go big or go home. At one place, we seem to have money but we are acting like penny pinchers with Suarez. Find out what the real valuation for Suarez is.. put an offer thats 5 million less than that and negotiate and not act like a cheap f*ck. If we are really serious about him, pay him the money and move on.
I am asking us to move on because up front is not the only problem in our team! Our whole squad needs quality players... lets cover those areas while we have time, before the big guys like Utd, Chelsea etc come in and swoop for them.

How much do you think Suarez is worth? £40m sounds fair to me.

[Ollie the Optimist]

My friend.. If we are bidding for the big players, we might as well put in a real bid that will be accepted. Either we go big or go home. At one place, we seem to have money but we are acting like penny pinchers with Suarez. Find out what the real valuation for Suarez is.. put an offer thats 5 million less than that and negotiate and not act like a cheap f*ck. If we are really serious about him, pay him the money and move on.
I am asking us to move on because up front is not the only problem in our team! Our whole squad needs quality players... lets cover those areas while we have time, before the big guys like Utd, Chelsea etc come in and swoop for them.

suarez's people clearly believe that he has release clause of 40 million, why would we go higher then that without trying out this supposed release clause. and im not sure you can really call arsenal penny pinchers when we've bid 40 million pounds. doesnt really make sense that.

you've been one of wengers harshest critics on here, along with zimm, for not spending, for taking gambles yet the one year he is ready to spend big on one player like we have all wanted, he is still in the wrong. i just dont get it

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

It's certainly a high risk strategy for us to be going for Suarez. We effectively gave up on the Higuain deal to get Suarez. If we can't get him then who do we then go for who is substantially better than Giroud?


i reckon jason roberts

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

having read through this tripe i have to agree with ollie (yes read that again, it says what you think it does)

we cant on one hand berate the club for not spending then have a go at them for spending on arguably the best striker in the league (or at least top 3 strikers)

i know people will say we need more than one world class player because we had RVP and won fuck all but we didnt have cazorla, giroud and podolski then.

now we do they've added huge quality to our team, and more importantly, depth. if we sign suarez we effectively have giroud coming off the bench who is a great back up. back then we had chamakh. thats the difference.

our squad is in a better position as we have trimmed down the shite and released them all, we just need to add quality.

suarez wont be here for long but he'll definetly score goals. if we sign him for £45m we can sell him for at least £55m 2-3 years later, having hopefully won a trophy or two. id take that. thats the way football is now im afraid, players rarely stay for long so lets go with the trend for once and get this bastard in.

[Ollie the Optimist]

having read through this tripe i have to agree with ollie (yes read that again, it says what you think it does).


:lol:

[GP]

giroud... added huge quality to our team

:haha:

[fakeyank]

How much do you think Suarez is worth? £40m sounds fair to me.

I think Suarez is worth not more than 30 million quid with his past! However we have to be realistic that Liverpool will not accept any bid less than 45-50 million quid. So either we be prepared to put that money on the table or move on to other avenues. We are already late in terms of getting our squad together.. this dilly dallying is only making things worse!

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

How much do you think Suarez is worth? £40m sounds fair to me.

we'll get him for £45m

they want 50

we've offered 40

45 and he's ours.

they'll definitely sell. they wont keep a toxic player in their team. they'd rather just sell up and spend the money on 2-3 players before the season starts otherwise it fucks them up for next season. and if madrid are going for bale, we are the only team in for him. unless chelsea decide they want him.

must admit, it feels good to be the club not having to worry about players leaving for once.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

and here's the video of him against melbourne yesterday circulating twitter regarding his body language. absolutely foul body language. like someone's killed his cat.

he's gone


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BChnsdAJ1no

[fakeyank]

suarez's people clearly believe that he has release clause of 40 million, why would we go higher then that without trying out this supposed release clause. and im not sure you can really call arsenal penny pinchers when we've bid 40 million pounds. doesnt really make sense that.

you've been one of wengers harshest critics on here, along with zimm, for not spending, for taking gambles yet the one year he is ready to spend big on one player like we have all wanted, he is still in the wrong. i just dont get it

It's common knowledge that it is not his release clause but the clause to just 'talk' to Suarez. Liverpool DO NOT need to accept it. Personally I do not think Suarez is worth more than 30 million quid but we know that if we really want the player, we will have to be close to what Liverpool will be tempted to sell. 40 million quid is nowhere near that unfortunately. So what do we do now? Hope that Suarez forces his way through all the while wasting precious time to assemble a half decent squad? Or move onto other avenues?
Its like I need a car really badly and I bid 1 million for a ferrari that the owner values at 2 million. I need a car badly.. why not move on to getting a mercedes or Audi in the meanwhile. We are half way through the window and have got nothing to show for this.

Again, like Zimm said, bidding is one thing and actually putting the money is another. I can bid 35 million quid for Suarez but I am not paying it. Like him, I do think its a smoke screen from the board and Wenger to show that 'we tried but we failed... we believe we have strong squad to challenge for top honors... I do wish you are right though. This is something I have probably said to you over the last 3-4 seasons. I WANT you to be right! We both support Arsenal but I do not trust the board or their henchman Wenger to do anything about improving the squad! Actions speak louder than words.. and there has been very little action in the last 7-8 seasons for me to be optimistic.

[Power n Glory]

and here's the video of him against melbourne yesterday circulating twitter regarding his body language. absolutely foul body language. like someone's killed his cat.

he's gone


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BChnsdAJ1no

It's jet lag! :lol:

But yeah, there aren't much options on the table. Also, he's Prem proven. There aren't that many world class strikers that are Prem proven right now. We go looking abroad and it could be hit or miss.

[Shaqiri Is Boss]

The one time you actually want a Spanish giant to blunder their way through and tap up your star player and they go for a chimp instead.

[Ollie the Optimist]

It's common knowledge that it is not his release clause but the clause to just 'talk' to Suarez. Liverpool DO NOT need to accept it. Personally I do not think Suarez is worth more than 30 million quid but we know that if we really want the player, we will have to be close to what Liverpool will be tempted to sell. 40 million quid is nowhere near that unfortunately. So what do we do now? Hope that Suarez forces his way through all the while wasting precious time to assemble a half decent squad? Or move onto other avenues?
Its like I need a car really badly and I bid 1 million for a ferrari that the owner values at 2 million. I need a car badly.. why not move on to getting a mercedes or Audi in the meanwhile. We are half way through the window and have got nothing to show for this.

Again, like Zimm said, bidding is one thing and actually putting the money is another. I can bid 35 million quid for Suarez but I am not paying it. Like him, I do think its a smoke screen from the board and Wenger to show that 'we tried but we failed... we believe we have strong squad to challenge for top honors'... I do wish you are right. This is something I have probably said to you over the last 3-4 seasons. I WANT you to be right! We both support Arsenal but I do not trust the board or their henchman Wenger to do anything about improving the squad! Actions speak louder than words.. and there has been very little action in the last 7-8 seasons for me to be optimistic.

given that suarez's people are convinced its a release clause, id say it isnt common knowledge that it isnt one.

this is arsenal, whos transfer record is 16 million. bidding 40 million for a player is not a "we tried " bid, its a serious bid. we're talking to suarez too i assume given thats the other option for this clause.

i dont think suarez is worth more 30 million eitehr given his baggage, but its what he will cost, we need a world class striker, lets stop moaning about bidding for him, given we have spent years moaning we never bid for teh big players.

[Grebbo]

That video

:haha:

He still looked good tbh

[Grebbo]

suarez wont be here for long but he'll definetly score goals. if we sign him for £45m we can sell him for at least £55m 2-3 years later, having hopefully won a trophy or two. id take that.

What are you smoking?? At least £55m?? He'll be 29/30yrs old, unless he produces Messi/Ronaldo scoring form then he won't be worth £55m in 2/3 years time.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

That video

:haha:

He still looked good tbh

bottom line is he's gone. they know, we know, he knows.

you cannot keep a player against his will in this day and age, and liverpool know the longer this goes on the less chance they have of replacing him which messes up their season.

if they keep him until the end of the window then sell, it'll affect their league position next year and the kop will go ape shit if they dont make a real push for top 4 having seen all the teams around them spend big. rodgers hardly needs more pressure right now.

all this 'he's staying' talk is bollocks, they just want madrid to come in to start a bidding war. but im hoping they go for ape

im actually quite optimistic about this which means we wont sign him

[fakeyank]

given that suarez's people are convinced its a release clause, id say it isnt common knowledge that it isnt one.

this is arsenal, whos transfer record is 16 million. bidding 40 million for a player is not a "we tried " bid, its a serious bid. we're talking to suarez too i assume given thats the other option for this clause.

i dont think suarez is worth more 30 million eitehr given his baggage, but its what he will cost, we need a world class striker, lets stop moaning about bidding for him, given we have spent years moaning we never bid for teh big players.

I think being on BBC is common knowledge..

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/23428419

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

What are you smoking?? At least £55m?? He'll be 29/30yrs old, unless he produces Messi/Ronaldo scoring form then he won't be worth £55m in 2/3 years time.

his age completely escaped my mind, for some reason i thought he was still 25.

well when we sell him in a year's time to city we can still get £50m for him

:tiphat:

[LDG]

That video

:haha:

He still looked good tbh


He looked fat to me.

[GP]

He certainly gave me a chubby.

[LDG]

:sick:

I'm bored of Saurez.

Time for the papers to come up with someone new.

"Shock return for RVP!"

[GP]

You sick fuck.

[LDG]

I didn't write it! :shrug:

Blame Goal.com

[Özil's Panoramic View]

:sick:

I'm bored of Saurez.

Time for the papers to come up with someone new.

"Shock return for RVP!"

let's say incredibly this became the latest tabloid BS, yay or nay?

[Niall_Quinn]

He looked fat to me.

Certainly did. A bit worrying he can put that much weight on in a few weeks since the end of the season.

[Ollie the Optimist]

let's say incredibly this became the latest tabloid BS, yay or nay?

never, not in a million years

[Özil's Panoramic View]

never, not in a million years

bit of a shocker seeing that you'd welcome an inferior and way less important player Cesc back home.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Certainly did. A bit worrying he can put that much weight on in a few weeks since the end of the season.

And barely a couple of weeks since the Confederations Cup ended.

It's the undershirt that does it.

[Munchies]

Still thinner than Higuain

Higuain had this Arshavin aura around him for me, ie turn into a fat fuck and become shit.

[Shaqiri Is Boss]

And barely a couple of weeks since the Confederations Cup ended.

It's the undershirt that does it.

It's all those people he ate.

Ha get it? Because he bit someone!

[Ollie the Optimist]

I think being on BBC is common knowledge..

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/23428419


Suarez and his agent, Pere Guardiola, brother of the Bayern Munich manager Pep, have worked on the understanding that a clause in the player's contract states that Liverpool's failure this season to secure Champions League football means any bid in excess of £40m from a club in the competition would require Liverpool to sell the player. They are mystified as to why Liverpool have rejected the Arsenal bid out of hand.

thats a quote from todays independent. its not common knowldege, there is a lot of confusion. while there is confusion, there is nothing wrong with bidding 40 million

[Munchies]

Ian Ayre is a clever bastard :lol:

Or Suarez and Co are dumb fucks for not reading a contract...

[Ollie the Optimist]

bit of a shocker seeing that you'd welcome an inferior and way less important player Cesc back home.

i can forgive cesc for what he did, add in the fact it was his home club etc. i cant forgive van persie.

[Özim]

thats a quote from todays independent. its not common knowldege, there is a lot of confusion. while there is confusion, there is nothing wrong with bidding 40 million
You never answered my question, how can they not know about this clause they are the ones that negotiated the f*cking contract for god's sake. This makes me think it's total nonsense or else Liverpool couldn't have rejected the bid.

[fakeyank]

thats a quote from todays independent. its not common knowldege, there is a lot of confusion. while there is confusion, there is nothing wrong with bidding 40 million

If what the independent is saying is true, I think Suarez and possibly Arsenal can sue Liverpool. I'd like to think Liverpools legal team will be a little bit more knowledgeable than Suarez and his bunch of sidekicks. A club the size of Liverpool cannot just not know what they have in agreement with a player and deny a bid like that. Again, I hope you are right but if you think about it logically, who will you believe- Suarez and his advisers OR Liverpool FC?

[Özil's Panoramic View]

i can forgive cesc for what he did, add in the fact it was his home club etc. i cant forgive van persie.

ok.... fair enough double standard.

[Özim]

i can forgive cesc for what he did, add in the fact it was his home club etc. i cant forgive van persie.
Why because all summer you said he was staying and then he left? There's a lesson about jumping to conclusions right there.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

It's all those people he ate.

Ha get it? Because he bit someone!

Haha, he eats things.

[Ollie the Optimist]

You never answered my question, how can they not know about this clause they are the ones that negotiated the f*cking contract for god's sake. This makes me think it's total nonsense or else Liverpool couldn't have rejected the bid.

well suarez's team seem convinced it is a release clause. its one for the lawyers this. but the longer liverpool protest it isnt, the more time madrid have to get hte money and come in for him which is what they want if htey have to sell him

[Özim]

ok.... fair enough double standard.
Or as they put it on here, shifting goalposts.

[Shaqiri Is Boss]

If what the independent is saying is true, I think Suarez and possibly Arsenal can sue Liverpool. I'd like to think Liverpools legal team will be a little bit more knowledgeable than Suarez and his bunch of sidekicks. A club the size of Liverpool cannot just not know what they have in agreement with a player and deny a bid like that. Again, I hope you are right but if you think about it logically, who will you believe- Suarez and his advisers OR Liverpool FC?
:lol:

I think you underestimate how stupid we can be.

But if they did think it was a release clause it's strange that they haven't come out and said so. It's not like agents to stay quiet if they think they have been wronged, and when forcing us into a corner would clearly be in their interests. Especially an agent as slippery as Suarez' clearly is.

[Özim]

well suarez's team seem convinced it is a release clause. its one for the lawyers this. but the longer liverpool protest it isnt, the more time madrid have to get hte money and come in for him which is what they want if htey have to sell him
There's no if's or but's, if you negotiate a contract you have a copy of it and know what's in it. If a club doesn't stick to the contract it becomes breach of contract and you take them to court.

Seems to me this clause thing sounds like BS, otherwise it would be clear cut and everyone would know where they stand, Liverpool would know the repercussions of breaching the contract.

[Ollie the Optimist]

ok.... fair enough double standard.

disagree. we knew about the lure of barcalona for cesc from day one. i wasnt happy with him going but we all knew it would be to barca if he did.

van persie just threw everything in our faces and fucked off with that statement. i think there is a difference. ive never been partically angry at cesc since he left, i was at van persei

[Ollie the Optimist]

Or as they put it on here, shifting goalposts.

dont think it is given ive had the same opinion the whole time. never been angry at cesc for the way he left, have been at van persie. i feel there is a clear differnce in what both did.

[Ollie the Optimist]

There's no if's or but's, if you negotiate a contract you have a copy of it and know what's in it. If a club doesn't stick to the contract it becomes breach of contract and you take them to court.

Seems to me this clause thing sounds like BS, otherwise it would be clear cut and everyone would know where they stand, Liverpool would know the repercussions of breaching the contract.

but what if it works for both liverpool and suarez to drag it out and give madrid more time?

[Özim]

dont think it is given ive had the same opinion the whole time. never been angry at cesc for the way he left, have been at van persie. i feel there is a clear differnce in what both did.
Not really they both left when under contract, no real difference whether Cesc was going back to his home club or not is irrelevant he still went.

I don't hold it against them as I understand they wanted something more that we couldn't give them.

[Özim]

but what if it works for both liverpool and suarez to drag it out and give madrid more time?
It doesn't breach of contract is a serious issue, you can possibly walk away because of it or get hefty compensation.

[Özil's Panoramic View]

disagree. we knew about the lure of barcalona for cesc from day one. i wasnt happy with him going but we all knew it would be to barca if he did.

van persie just threw everything in our faces and fucked off with that statement. i think there is a difference. ive never been partically angry at cesc since he left, i was at van persei

so RVP's one statement, which btw was meant to defend himself against vilifying remarks aimed at him by PHW, is worse than Cesc's sulking, feigning injury, getting his **** barca pals to stir up shit, plus more, all in a bid to force a move, eh?

[Cripps_orig]

disagree. we knew about the lure of barcalona for cesc from day one. i wasnt happy with him going but we all knew it would be to barca if he did.

van persie just threw everything in our faces and fucked off with that statement. i think there is a difference. ive never been partically angry at cesc since he left, i was at van persei

Why?

They both did the same thing. If anything, rvp who is a massive **** at least performed on the pitch before he left. Cesc gave up trying and starting pining for a move 18 months prior.

All this going back home to Barcelona is bs. Lots of players don't play for the club they supported as a kid. He has a weak ass mentality.

Both are ****s and neither should be anywhere near this club ever again

[Ollie the Optimist]

Not really they both left when under contract, no real difference whether Cesc was going back to his home club or not is irrelevant he still went.

I don't hold it against them as I understand they wanted something more that we couldn't give them.

i think there is a clear difference, especially in their attiudes towards us after htey left at all. van persie with all his fake i still respect them, sneding a photo of him celebrating the title to morgan knowing it would be put out to arsenal fans.

cesc has always been dignified to us. both left, but i genuninely think there is a clear difference.

[Ollie the Optimist]

It doesn't breach of contract is a serious issue, you can possibly walk away because of it or get hefty compensation.

not quite what i meant. what if them both leaking stories saying opposites, arsenal dont get closer to finalising deal as they dont know wether its a release clause or not, madrid get the money and come in and liverpool and saurez get the deal they want.

[Ollie the Optimist]

so RVP's one statement, which btw was meant to defend himself against vilifying remarks aimed at him by PHW, is worse than Cesc's sulking, feigning injury, getting his **** barca pals to stir up shit, plus more, all in a bid to force a move, eh?

that stateemnt was not defending himself in any way, taht statement was designed for one thing only. getting his move to united.

meh, we'll go round on circles on this one. ive never had a problem with cesc, i have with van persie. he fucked off as soon as he got good, at least we got good years with cesc. ive not changed my stance at all on this, its been the same.

[Munchies]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BOpM95ZCQAEwG_o.jpg:large

liverpool should hav accepted aresenal 30million bid for suarez and then sent dis guy as suarez

:haha:

[Özim]

not quite what i meant. what if them both leaking stories saying opposites, arsenal dont get closer to finalising deal as they dont know wether its a release clause or not, madrid get the money and come in and liverpool and saurez get the deal they want.
So what you're saying this is just a massive con and Suarez doesn't want to sign for us and Liverpool want to sell to Madrid? Seems a lot of hassle to me.

[Ollie the Optimist]

So what you're saying this is just a massive con and Suarez doesn't want to sign for us and Liverpool want to sell to Madrid? Seems a lot of hassle to me.

its saurez, i wouldnt put it past him. it does seem a lot of ahssle so hopefully we get this deal done asap to stop any chance of madrid coming in

[Özil's Panoramic View]

i think there is a clear difference, especially in their attiudes towards us after htey left at all. van persie with all his fake i still respect them, sneding a photo of him celebrating the title to morgan knowing it would be put out to arsenal fans.

cesc has always been dignified to us. both left, but i genuninely think there is a clear difference.


come on Ollie, Pierce spent everyday of the year on Twitter spewing all sorts of diatribe at Judas, don't you think that was a fair enough move by Judas?

also, weren't there lots of question marks surrounding who was the real sender of that pic to Morgan? not sure if it were ever proven that Judas was the sender.

[Ollie the Optimist]

come on Ollie, Pierce spent everyday of the year on Twitter spewing all sorts of diatribe at Judas, don't you think that was a fair enough move by Judas?

also, weren't there lots of question marks surrounding who was the real sender of that pic to Morgan? not sure if it were ever proven that Judas was the sender.

given he wrote a personalised note on it, id say it was him. they would have known morgan would have tweeted it, and it wasnt just morgan giving him shit. he sent that picture knowing it would go and while mainly rubbing morgans nose in the fact he won a trophy, also did the rest of us

[Ollie the Optimist]

tim payton has just tweeted the following.

Arsenal can afford to pay up to £50m for Suarez if Wenger judges he offers value. Their total transfer warchest is not far short of £100m
Arsenal can also easily afford to pay 150k a week wages. Next yr club revenues = £300m allowing them to build to a £180m per annum wage bill
Assuming a £180m per annum wage bill, Arsenal can comfortably add three more players on 150k a week or four at 100k a week (on top of fees

so getting suarez, wouldnt blow our whole budget. we can still sign others. go for it wenger

[Özil's Panoramic View]

given he wrote a personalised note on it, id say it was him. they would have known morgan would have tweeted it, and it wasnt just morgan giving him shit. he sent that picture knowing it would go and while mainly rubbing morgans nose in the fact he won a trophy, also did the rest of us

Morgan is a fat, ugly, pompous, ostentatious **** who made it his business to slag off Judas at every given opportunity.

I'd say, yes, that was a proper reaction from Judas if he did in fact send it.

[Ollie the Optimist]

Morgan is a fat, ugly, pompous, ostentatious **** who made it his business to slag off Judas at every given opportunity.

I'd say, yes, that was a proper reaction from Judas if he did in fact send it.

not going to aruge with your first part. morgan is a ****

[Özil's Panoramic View]

not going to aruge with your first part. morgan is a ****

ffs this is the 2nd time we're agreeing in as many days.

:getcoat:

[Ollie the Optimist]

two quotes from tomorrows independent


"Real have told their young strikers Jese Rodriguez and Alvaro Morata that no more forwards will be bought this summer."


"Florentino Perez, would prefer to concentrate on raising the necessary funds to sign Gareth Bale this summer or next year.

[Ollie the Optimist]

Luis Suarez would be happy for the Premier League to step in and settle his contract-clause dispute with Liverpool such is the conviction of the player and his agent, Pere Guardiola, that they are in the right.

The League may offer to mediate in the row between Liverpool and Arsenal, and the player’s camp are understood to welcome independent arbitration stressing that both verbal and written assurances were given in the renegotiation of the Uruguayan striker’s contract last summer.

Guardiola maintains that it is Liverpool who have changed their position on allowing Suarez to leave for a bid of over £40m. Arsenal are confident that the Merseyside club will ultimately allow them to speak to Suarez and believe they are currently stalling in the hope that other clubs enter the race.

Liverpool would prefer to sell to someone outside the Premier League and have been frustrated by Real Madrid’s apparent lack of interest. Real have told their young strikers Jese Rodriguez and Alvaro Morata that no more forwards will be bought this summer, leaving their path clear to the first team.

Real showed an interest in Suarez earlier in the summer and believe personal terms with the forward would be quickly agreed. But they were also made aware of the buy-out clause and baulked at the £40m price tag. The Real president, Florentino Perez, would prefer to concentrate on raising the necessary funds to sign Gareth Bale this summer or next year.

Bale fits the profile of an ideal Perez signing with the sort of commercial appeal that Suarez does not have. Madrid would take 50 per cent of Bale’s image rights, an operation that would not be as lucrative in Suarez’s case.

Missing out definitively on the Tottenham forward this summer and any continuation of Wednesday’s lack-lustre pre-season form could yet see Real reconsider on Suarez. The Spanish side were unimpressive in their second pre-season friendly against Lyons, scrambling to a 2-2 draw and if their form does not pick up, attitudes towards Suarez could change.

Zinedine Zidane, new coach Carlo Ancelotti’s assistant but already having a major say in the way the team plays and the players they look to sign, wants the club to put its trust not just in the youngsters but in French forward Karim Benzema.

However, Benzema failed to score in the 6-0 win over Bournemouth at the weekend and was poor against Lyons in a new-look front three, playing to the left of Cristiano Ronaldo.

Asked about Arsenal’s bid for Suarez, Chelsea manager, Jose Mourinho, said tonight after his team’s 8-1 win over Indonesia All-Stars in Jakarta: “I have no idea of the situation and no idea of the contractual situation of Luis Suarez but if Arsenal has economic potential to buy and the manager decides he is the perfect buy for them, it is normal to make a big offer. I have no idea how it will go.”

On Merseyside, former Liverpool striker John Aldridge joined the chorus of fans accusing Suarez of a “massive lack of loyalty” by his desire to leave the club. Aldridge said Suarez owed a debt of gratitude to the club for sticking by him after his racism and biting controversies.

He said: “There’s a massive lack of loyalty there and especially the way Liverpool have stuck by Luis. Not everything’s all about money.

“It’s different with Luis Suarez because of the positions he’s put Liverpool in over the last couple of years and they’ve stuck by him. The fans have been loyal, the manager’s been loyal, his comrades have been loyal, and the hierarchy have been loyal. They’ve done everything in their power to back him up and he’s basically put a custard pie in everyone’s face.”

from independent. its going to get messy

[GP]

:popcorn:

[LDG]

he’s basically put a custard pie in everyone’s face.

from independent. its going to get messy

Damn straight!

[Shaqiri Is Boss]

Haha, he eats things.
I call the big one Bitey.

[GP]

I love a good cream pie.

[Munchies]

:popcorn:

Yup, Nice to be on the other side of all this BS for once !

[GP]

Yup, Nice to be on the other side of all this BS for once !

We'll sell Cazorla any day now.

[Grebbo]

Damn straight!

:lol:

[Gooner23]

If its in the Independent it must be true..

Also, that Tim Paynton sounds like a tit.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

two quotes from tomorrows independent

Perez. :bow:

Must have been reading GW. Well me. :whistle:

[Marc Overmars]

tim payton has just tweeted the following.

Arsenal can afford to pay up to £50m for Suarez if Wenger judges he offers value. Their total transfer warchest is not far short of £100m
Arsenal can also easily afford to pay 150k a week wages. Next yr club revenues = £300m allowing them to build to a £180m per annum wage bill
Assuming a £180m per annum wage bill, Arsenal can comfortably add three more players on 150k a week or four at 100k a week (on top of fees

so getting suarez, wouldnt blow our whole budget. we can still sign others. go for it wenger

This is why the price doesn't bother me. I believe the club when they talk about the finances, we can afford to spunk a shit load on a 2 maybe even 3 top players. It's just down now to how brave Wenget is with the money.

Give them 50m and be done with it.

[JonasTC]

Benzema have just been out saying that Real Madrid doesnt needs a new striker, because the talents comming up now are good enough to get more playing time and apperently Ancelotti is thinking the same.

Liverpool stop trying to negotiate in the media, we're the only club after him, so no bidding wars :pal:

[Niall_Quinn]

There's no if's or but's, if you negotiate a contract you have a copy of it and know what's in it. If a club doesn't stick to the contract it becomes breach of contract and you take them to court.

Seems to me this clause thing sounds like BS, otherwise it would be clear cut and everyone would know where they stand, Liverpool would know the repercussions of breaching the contract.

There are usually many, many ifs and buts in a legal contract and it's not uncommon to have sweeping generalisations that try to encompass as many outcomes as possible and which it then falls to one of the parties to try and pick apart when there's a dispute. Every company you have signed up with has shafted you on sweeping legal language and they rely on the fact you won't have the money or the inclination to challenge them. With a football contract it will be different because both parties are legally represented when negotiating. But that still doesn't mean everything will be specific within the final contract. It doesn't just come down to the wording either. Prior interpretation and precedence are important in disputes. And other matters arising between the signing and the dispute can have a bearing. It's quite possible there's a clause in Suarez's contract that could be interpreted differently by either party. And if there is and Liverpool want to hang on to the player then this deal is already dead because it would be an easy matter to string the legal argument out way past the close of the transfer window.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

Benzema have just been out saying that Real Madrid doesnt needs a new striker, because the talents comming up now are good enough to get more playing time and apperently Ancelotti is thinking the same.

Liverpool stop trying to negotiate in the media, we're the only club after him, so no bidding wars :pal:

:lol: liverpool

awful everton.

[Ollie the Optimist]

Suarez made it clear to Rodgers, who is sticking by his £50m valuation, that he wants to leave Anfield and is keen to talk to Arsenal.The 26-year-old claims his agent Pere Guardiola was told by the club that he would be allowed to negotiate a move if an offer was made of more than £35m - irrespective of the clause in his contract.And Suarez, who flew with the rest of the Liverpool squad from Australia to Thailand, is understood to have voiced his frustration at Arsene Wenger’s £40,000,001 bid being rejected.The player is allowed to conduct talks with Arsenal and his advisers may consult lawyers if the dispute over his contract turns ugly.

Check out all the latest News, Sport & Celeb gossip at Mirror.co.uk http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/liverpool-transfer-news-liverpool-eye-2090242#ixzz2a6DBzZGK
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from tonights mirror. thats a new "clause" we hadnt heard about. this one really is oging to get very messy

[Niall_Quinn]

i think there is a clear difference, especially in their attiudes towards us after htey left at all. van persie with all his fake i still respect them, sneding a photo of him celebrating the title to morgan knowing it would be put out to arsenal fans.

cesc has always been dignified to us. both left, but i genuninely think there is a clear difference.

If Cesc goes to Utd he's a bigger **** than RvP, not because of how he outwardly behaved when leaving the club but because he played on the goodwill of the club to engineer the move. People at the club took him at his word. A move to Utd would show he didn't mean any of it. RvP was just a straight case of abandoning ship and doing a runner to a better offer.

[Shaqiri Is Boss]

Bullshit.

Your £35m offer was made weeks ago. We'd know if there was any sort of promise to negotiate a move by now. By all accounts he and his agents have been allowed the chance to talk to yourselves, so fuck off and talk.

[Niall_Quinn]

We'll sell Cazorla any day now.

Don't even joke about it.

(But if you weren't joking then agreed, any day now)

[Niall_Quinn]

This is why the price doesn't bother me. I believe the club when they talk about the finances, we can afford to spunk a shit load on a 2 maybe even 3 top players. It's just down now to how brave Wenget is with the money.

Give them 50m and be done with it.

Yes, I believe the club when it comes to money too. Why would anyone not believe them?

[Niall_Quinn]

from tonights mirror. thats a new "clause" we hadnt heard about. this one really is oging to get very messy

Sounds like his agent doesn't have a leg to stand on. This has gone from a clause in a contract to a chat behind the bike sheds. If the agent and player have had to admit this then there's no clause.

[bunsco]

So we shouldn't get him cos hes not as good as some of the best players ever?

Don't think we're signing anyone ever again then

So you think spending £40 million plus on a player who's a more than good chance spending a good number of games in the stands per season value for money?

I know there's other reasons I won't like to see Suarez in an arsenal shirt, but right up there is the likelihood of him doing something stupid at key points in the season to fuck us up - and it's not like he hasn't got form - if anything it's almost as consistent as his scoring.

[Cripps_orig]

Liverpool couldn't handle him. I'm hoping we can.

[bunsco]

Being a drunk driver only impacts themselves?

What if he had hit someone?

No one from what I've seen has accepted his behaviour. We all know it was wrong. It wouldn't stop me from wanting him here though cos firstly and most importantly he's a quality player

Erm, you missed out the 'apart from close family/friends' bit - which obviously applies to both perpetrator and victim,if there was one. And although it would indirectly reflect on the club - it would still be an issue that was based firmly outside the game, not within it.

Big difference.

But I guess it all depends on how much 'quality' the player has eh?

[bunsco]

Liverpool couldn't handle him. I'm hoping we can.

What, with Lilly livered WUM in charge!

"Oh I can't comment on that -I didn't see it"
"Oh I can't comment on that -I didn't see it"
"Oh I can't comment on that -I didn't see it"
"Oh I can't comment on that -I didn't see it".....

[McNamara That Ghost...]

The amount of time Suarez is banned for during seasons isn't vastly different as to what we had to endure with Vieira - the two red cards in succession I remember, unfondly.

[GP]

What, with Lilly livered WUM in charge!

"Oh I can't comment on that -I didn't see it"
"Oh I can't comment on that -I didn't see it"
"Oh I can't comment on that -I didn't see it"
"Oh I can't comment on that -I didn't see it".....

Wow, is it 1996 again?

[Master Splinter]

Wenger was the first and only person ever to pretend he didn't fully see an incident in order to shield his team and players.

And when it was physically impossible to see an incident on the other side of the pitch with his basic human eyesight, he was definitely lying too.

A truly evil man.

[bunsco]

If Cesc goes to Utd he's a bigger **** than RvP, not because of how he outwardly behaved when leaving the club but because he played on the goodwill of the club to engineer the move. People at the club took him at his word. A move to Utd would show he didn't mean any of it. RvP was just a straight case of abandoning ship and doing a runner to a better offer.

And with what we had, and the outlook of the rest of his career trophyless,with the club showing a blatant lack of ambition year on year - do you blame him?

[bunsco]

The amount of time Suarez is banned for during seasons isn't vastly different as to what we had to endure with Vieira - the two red cards in succession I remember, unfondly.

True. But PV4 wasn't the equivalent £40/50 mill player bought in to make the difference to our season.

[Niall_Quinn]

And with what we had, and the outlook of the rest of his career trophyless,with the club showing a blatant lack of ambition year on year - do you blame him?

Don't blame him, I'm not that connected to him. But I think he was a potentially remarkable guy who opted to become a depressingly ordinary guy. You'd expect the ordinary guy to chase the baubles and extra cash, it's predictable.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

True. But PV4 wasn't the equivalent £40/50 mill player bought in to make the difference to our season.

I'm not sure that matters really. If we could theoretically buy the Vieira we knew as a player, would we do it, in spite of him costing that much and having those issues as a player? I'd posit probably, certainly I would.

We could spend £30 million on a player that is likely to miss many more games through having problems with injury. Always downsides to spending that kind of sum on any player but you have to take those kind of risks eventually if you want to progress. For me, the most important thing about possibly signing Suarez is the message it might send out - not neccesarily that we're going to spend those kind of sums on high quality players all the time but just now, that we can.

If it turns out to be a complete bomb of an idea then the financial position we are in now should be strong enough to support that. Two seasons ago, this probably would be greater cause for concern, even if it's what we really needed.

[Niall_Quinn]

We don't know anything yet. So far exactly £0.00 has been spent on our one signing. We'll only know the club can compete when they hand a cheque over.

[Munchies]

Real Madrid are not going to go for Suarez
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/5034265/Luis-Suarez-lined-up-by-Arsenal-as-Real-Madrid-pull-out.html

I can see Chelsea coming in with a bid though <_<

[Power n Glory]

I doubt they will. Jose wants Rooney and I don't think Suarez is his sort of striker.

[Özim]

Suarez has got some CV hasn't he

1) Tries and fails to force move to Ajax from Groningen through arbitration, but then moves when Ajax increase offer
2) Bites some bloke on the shoulder and gets a 7 match ban (Ajax tired of his antics sell him)
3) Handballs on the line to deny Ghana a goal, gets sent off then celebrates
4) Gets involved in a racism incident with Evra and then refuses to let bygones be bygones (despite being at fault)
5) Banned for making an obscene gesture at fans
6) Bites a Chelsea player and receives a long ban
7) Decides he wants to leave England and Liverpool

All all round good guy really!

[Power n Glory]

Why would Luis Suárez swap Liverpool for Arsenal? asks Brendan Rodgers• Liverpool are one of the biggest clubs in world, says manager
The Guardian, Friday 26 July 2013

Liverpool remain adamant that the Uruguay international will not be sold unless their valuation of more than £50m is met, despite a belief in the player's camp that Arsenal's latest offer of £40,000,001 should trigger talks over a move to the Emirates Stadium. Suárez and his agent, Pere Guardiola, have told Liverpool he wants to join a club in the Champions League but, in the absence of a firm offer so far from Real Madrid, Rodgers claims to be mystified at why his leading striker would consider teaming up with Arsène Wenger's side.

"I know what we are trying to build and grow, so why would you swap Liverpool to go to Arsenal?" the Liverpool manager said. "I am not sure that it adds up, to be honest. Arsenal has a wonderful history in its own right but Liverpool is one of the biggest clubs in the world. OK, we might not be in the Champions League and haven't been for a while now but our competitors have grown around us and we have to step up to the challenge now."

Arsenal qualified for the Champions League for a 14th season in succession last term whereas Liverpool are approaching a fourth consecutive campaign outside the European elite. But Rodgers insisted his debut season in charge at Anfield, which yielded 30 goals for Suárez, demonstrates why the striker would be wrong to move to north London.

He added: "Would it be a mistake for Luis to leave? 100%. The team was built around Luis last season. I made some big calls to get the team to work in a way to suit his strengths and it is no coincidence he had a great season apart from the end bit. We would love to have him to continue the next phase.

"It is difficult for Luis, I understand that. If a team wants you, it can be difficult. But I am not sure many teams will have done what we have done in the last couple of games [play to crowds of over 80,000 and 90,000 in Indonesia and Australia respectively]. I am sure Luis will have seen the sheer size and status of the club, so we'll just see how it goes. It is not something we want to run on too long."

Asked if the stand-off would change should Suárez submit a transfer request, the Liverpool manager responded: "Luis is under contract so I haven't even thought about that."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2013/jul/26/luis-suarez-liverpool-arsenal-brendan-rodgers

Cheeky bastard!

[Kano]

just pandering to the fans, nothing more. easy to do when they are riled up by an apparent bid from a competitor. a few easy points scored by a manager who needs as many people on his side as possible going into this crunch season for him.

[Marc Overmars]

Ian Ayre has said again he's not for sale.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Nobody told Rodgers that. I think he said they have no intention to sell, which could mean two things (a) they won't sell regardless, b) it wasn't their intention to sell but the situation has since changed or might change in the future.

Found the quote.


Ayre said "the situation with Luis Suarez remains the same. It's never been our intention to sell Luis."

Looks like b) to me.

[Marc Overmars]

Come on Wenget.

[Shaqiri Is Boss]

Ah yes the "no intention" chestnut.

In other words: "Give us more money and we'll send him on the next train".

[Munchies]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BQFlA8GCUAAaMsC.jpg

[LDG]

:haha:

[milla]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BQFlA8GCUAAaMsC.jpg

:haha:

[Dicks and chicks]

Odds of him joining us have dropped slightly. But theyvr dropped a lot for him joining real madrid too

[Kano]

Odds of him joining us have dropped slightly. But theyvr dropped a lot for him joining real madrid too

great, so either suarez, his family, his agent, the liverpool board and the arsenal board, manager and players are all betting on him so its definitely going to happen or

a bunch of punters are hoping to win some money on a whim and it means fuck all.

probably the former, it sounds far more realistic.

[LDG]

great, so either suarez, his family, his agent, the liverpool board and the arsenal board, manager and players are all betting on him so its definitely going to happen or

a bunch of punters are hoping to win some money on a whim and it means fuck all.

probably the former, it sounds far more realistic.

You forgot Ollie's sources. They all know. They are all betting.

[Dicks and chicks]

great, so either suarez, his family, his agent, the liverpool board and the arsenal board, manager and players are all betting on him so its definitely going to happen or

a bunch of punters are hoping to win some money on a whim and it means fuck all.

probably the former, it sounds far more realistic.
Ollie the pesimist

[Dicks and chicks]

You forgot Ollie's sources. They all know. They are all betting.

Hes coming the odds do not lie

[Niall_Quinn]

4) Gets involved in a racism incident with Evra and then refuses to let bygones be bygones (despite being at fault)

That was a nothing incident, overblown storm in a teacup.

[Niall_Quinn]

Ian Ayre has said again he's not for sale.

Big wow, nobody wants to sign Ian Ayre.

[Kano]

Ollie the pesimist
look at fucking ricky retard over here

[Niall_Quinn]

I was never betting on Higuain when the odds were 1/7, not worth it. Might take a flutter now though.

[Dicks and chicks]

That was a nothing incident, overblown storm in a teacup.

Now that hes an arsenal play LEWL

[Özim]

I remember that clip of that "Bully" guy saying it looks like Higuain is coming :lol:

[Kano]

higuain is definitely on his way to the emirates within the next week or so. you can bet on that.

[Özim]

Agreed that's a dead cert, do you reckon he'll score? Think he'll be a great signing for sure.

[Özim]

Can we get someone to fix it before it starts at least, looks all bent out of shape

http://www.arsenal.com/assets/_files/scaled/696x392/may_13/gun__1368619539_emirates_cup_trophy.jpg

[JonasTC]

I seriously believe we are very close to signing Suarez, the way Rodgers are desperately trying to tell the media how everything is built around Suarez, everybody loves him and what not, indicates to me that its a last effort to convince him to stay. Maybe because offer/contract are soon to be accepted? I hope so.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Can we get someone to fix it before it starts at least, looks all bent out of shape

http://www.arsenal.com/assets/_files/scaled/696x392/may_13/gun__1368619539_emirates_cup_trophy.jpg

We're too heavy handed with it, needs all the lifting it can get.

Jonas, I concur.

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Bit of controversy here but is Suarez racist or is he just guilty of saying a racist comment, are they one and the same?

[Dicks and chicks]

I seriously believe we are very close to signing Suarez, the way Rodgers are desperately trying to tell the media how everything is built around Suarez, everybody loves him and what not, indicates to me that its a last effort to convince him to stay. Maybe because offer/contract are soon to be accepted? I hope so.

Yeah I agree. Hes coming home

[Marc Overmars]

Bit of controversy here but is Suarez racist or is he just guilty of saying a racist comment, are they one and the same?

It depends on whether he has any deep rooted issues with people of other race, I think that defines a racist for me.

We've all said stupid things in the heat of a moment and I think he's just guilty of being an ignorant wanker.

[Penguin]

None of us could possibly know. He was probably 'just' trying to get under Evra's skin, but took it way too far. Footballers aren't generally the sharpest tools in the box and are prone to doing stupid things in the heat of the moment (especially Suarez).

I'm not condoning it but just don't be so quick to judge or label someone if you don't have all the information. Nobody knows if he is actually a racist apart from Suarez himself, and anyone here who definitively says he is one is talking bullshit.

[selassie]

I seriously believe we are very close to signing Suarez, the way Rodgers are desperately trying to tell the media how everything is built around Suarez, everybody loves him and what not, indicates to me that its a last effort to convince him to stay. Maybe because offer/contract are soon to be accepted? I hope so.

We've certainly turned his head and he wants to come here, that much is clear.

The final barrier is negotiating a fee with Liverpool, I think 45 with add-ons will do the trick.

Whether we're prepared to go to that figure or a higher figure remains to be seen, but I don't for one minute think we would have done all this work to walk away for the sake of a few million, yes we have done it before...but we have money now...the fact we have offered 40million and a penny ;) confirms that.

I don't think Suarez will hand in a transfer request which would pretty much start negotiations now IMHO, I think we have to make the move and up our offer.

[Bury Da Bwoy]

Nobody knows if he is actually a racist apart from Suarez himself, and anyone here who definitively says he is one is talking bullshit.

That makes no sense. The majority of people who are racist don't believe they are, and more often than not don't see anything wrong in their way of thinking. I'm not saying Suarez is racist btw, I just think he's a dickhead.

[selassie]

None of us could possibly know. He was probably 'just' trying to get under Evra's skin, but took it way too far. Footballers aren't generally the sharpest tools in the box and are prone to doing stupid things in the heat of the moment (especially Suarez).

I'm not condoning it but just don't be so quick to judge or label someone if you don't have all the information. Nobody knows if he is actually a racist apart from Suarez himself, and anyone here who definitively says he is one is talking bullshit.

Well he isn't going to admit he is a racist. People who make comments referring to ones "colour" to get under someone's skin are called "Racists" from where I am from. The fact is, "colour" did not need to brought into his spat with Evra regardless of whether it is seen as "right" or "wrong" in any culture.

Suarez comes across to me as an idiot, some of his behaviour to date on the Football field has been absolutely disgusting too.

Don't get me wrong he is a great player, one of the best about. If we do sign him, one of Wenger's biggest challenges is going to be sorting out Suarez's conduct on the football field because we do not want a 50million pound liability on our hands.

[Dicks and chicks]

Well he isn't going to admit he is a racist. People who make comments referring to ones "colour" to get under someone's skin are called "Racists" from where I am from. The fact is, "colour" did not need to brought into his spat with Evra regardless of whether it is seen as "right" or "wrong" in any culture.

Suarez comes across to me as an idiot, some of his behaviour to date on the Football field has been absolutely disgusting too.

Don't get me wrong he is a great player, one of the best about. If we do sign him, one of Wenger's biggest challenges is going to be sorting out Suarez's conduct on the football field because we do not want a 50million pound liability on our hands.
He wont change. He is the same as he was at ajax

[Penguin]

That makes no sense. The majority of people who are racist don't believe they are, and more often than not don't see anything wrong in their way of thinking. I'm not saying Suarez is racist btw, I just think he's a dickhead.
It does make sense. I'm not saying he's not racist, I'm saying we shouldn't be judgemental by labeling him a racist without knowing all the facts.


Well he isn't going to admit he is a racist. People who make comments referring to ones "colour" to get under someone's skin are called "Racists" from where I am from. The fact is, "colour" did not need to brought into his spat with Evra regardless of whether it is seen as "right" or "wrong" in any culture.

Suarez comes across to me as an idiot, some of his behaviour to date on the Football field has been absolutely disgusting too.

Don't get me wrong he is a great player, one of the best about. If we do sign him, one of Wenger's biggest challenges is going to be sorting out Suarez's conduct on the football field because we do not want a 50million pound liability on our hands.

Stb said "is Suarez racist or is he just guilty of saying a racist comment?". If I'm in an argument with a fat guy and call him 'a fat fuck' it doesn't mean I have anything against fat people. Like I said, I don't condone what he said at all, and if he is a racist he should be banned from football as far as I'm concerned. But we don't know that.

Are Arsenal fans racist for calling spurs fans 'yids'? For the elephant washing chants to Adebayor?

[Niall_Quinn]

What's funny is the way the focus on racism has been tuned into what people say rather than what they do. Well it's not that funny, it's atrocious.

[Shaqiri Is Boss]

If he stays: I'd be willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. Arsehole yes, but it wasn't exactly a rigorous trial he was found "guilty" in.

If he leaves: dirty racist bastard.

[Master Splinter]

Can't wait for the first game the Dirty Racist Bastard plays against Liverpool.

Aldridge, Thommo and Hansen will probably be in the crowd throwing missiles at him.

[Kano]

aldridge prefers custard pies.

shame arshavin skipped on.

[bunsco]

Suarez has got some CV hasn't he

1) Tries and fails to force move to Ajax from Groningen through arbitration, but then moves when Ajax increase offer
2) Bites some bloke on the shoulder and gets a 7 match ban (Ajax tired of his antics sell him)
3) Handballs on the line to deny Ghana a goal, gets sent off then celebrates
4) Gets involved in a racism incident with Evra and then refuses to let bygones be bygones (despite being at fault)
5) Banned for making an obscene gesture at fans
6) Bites a Chelsea player and receives a long ban
7) Decides he wants to leave England and Liverpool

All all round good guy really!

:gp: And through desperation, some here think it's all suddenly going to change cos he's at the Arsenal (if it happens at all that is).

That'll be 40-50mill well spent :doh:

[Niall_Quinn]

He won't do any of that at Arsenal.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

aldridge prefers custard pies.

shame arshavin skipped on.

Skipped?

[bunsco]

He won't do any of that at Arsenal.

very good

;)

[selassie]

Stb said "is Suarez racist or is he just guilty of saying a racist comment?". If I'm in an argument with a fat guy and call him 'a fat fuck' it doesn't mean I have anything against fat people. Like I said, I don't condone what he said at all, and if he is a racist he should be banned from football as far as I'm concerned. But we don't know that.

Are Arsenal fans racist for calling spurs fans 'yids'? For the elephant washing chants to Adebayor?

I think we are arguing semantics here. If someone goes round calling someone a "Bl*ck Bastard" or "Wh*te Sh*t" or whatever then you are a racist, or are you saying that someone can make such comment(s) but not be deemed racist? The purpose and intent of such a comment is to mock someone of a "different colour" or "race", that to me is racism.

Where do you draw the line? Stating that you just made a racist remark but are not racist is a ridiculous cop out. Making such comment is an action that is meant to offend.

Moreover, you don't have to be part of Klu Klux Kan or the BPN to be a labelled and viewed as a racist.

Your examples are not in anyway comparable to the Suarez comment either.

[Master Splinter]

:gp: And through desperation some here think it's all suddenly going to change



Who said he's going to change? Even ollie has accepted he'll do the same to us as he has to his previous clubs and leave in a few years.

I think most people realise that hoping for morality and justness in football is futile and are just glad to be potentially signing a tried and tested superb player for once.

If we want to talk about rights and wrongs and how it will damage the club's standing, I'm afraid football is an irreparably damaged institution and Arsenal Football Club is undoubtedly tarnished too.

You either accept you're watching a shitty, but often highly entertaining, sport and be at peace with it or tune into a decidedly non-grubby alternative.

Like cycling.

[bunsco]

As much as i loathe the party line pulling Arseblog - a very good extract from a piece:

But what I find most dismaying is the revisionism that’s gone on since our interest has become public knowledge. I don’t remember too many Arsenal fans defending him when he was banned for 8 games for the Evra incident. I don’t remember too many Arsenal fans saying that biting somebody isn’t really that bad when you think about. I don’t remember too many Arsenal fans who said anything other than Suarez, for all his talent on the field, was a pretty despicable person whose antics, cheating and nasty play made him one of the most loathed characters in the game.

Yet now, people are falling over themselves to make excuses for him. Like the Liverpool fans everyone so roundly mocked because of their deep understanding of South American Spanish and in the intricacies of the use of the word ‘negro’, some Arsenal fans are now cunning, expert linguists. They know what he said, how he said it, what it means on the streets of Uruguay, and look, Evra is a twat anyway so it doesn’t really matter.

Bang on the money - especially about the Evra is a twat :)

[bunsco]

I think most people realise that hoping for morality and justness in football is futile

Right on there Sir, but some aspects cant just be ignored because of it.

[Kano]

Skipped?
optimistic i know.

[selassie]

He wont change. He is the same as he was at ajax

Oh I agree, I'm just saying it how I see it. I see him as a great player and a welcome addition to the team if he joins, he is a massive upgrade on any striker we currently have.

Despite all that, I think he's a horrible human being, Zimm and others have listed what he has done to date and like you stated I don't think he'll change, he has a long history of these incidents.

[Kano]

As much as i loathe the party line pulling Arseblog - a very good extract from a piece:

But what I find most dismaying is the revisionism that’s gone on since our interest has become public knowledge. I don’t remember too many Arsenal fans defending him when he was banned for 8 games for the Evra incident. I don’t remember too many Arsenal fans saying that biting somebody isn’t really that bad when you think about. I don’t remember too many Arsenal fans who said anything other than Suarez, for all his talent on the field, was a pretty despicable person whose antics, cheating and nasty play made him one of the most loathed characters in the game.

Yet now, people are falling over themselves to make excuses for him. Like the Liverpool fans everyone so roundly mocked because of their deep understanding of South American Spanish and in the intricacies of the use of the word ‘negro’, some Arsenal fans are now cunning, expert linguists. They know what he said, how he said it, what it means on the streets of Uruguay, and look, Evra is a twat anyway so it doesn’t really matter.

Bang on the money - especially about the Evra is a twat :)
well if he doesn't get the basics of football tribalism, then he'll never get his head round it.

[Grebbo]

As much as i loathe the party line pulling Arseblog - a very good extract from a piece:

But what I find most dismaying is the revisionism that’s gone on since our interest has become public knowledge. I don’t remember too many Arsenal fans defending him when he was banned for 8 games for the Evra incident. I don’t remember too many Arsenal fans saying that biting somebody isn’t really that bad when you think about. I don’t remember too many Arsenal fans who said anything other than Suarez, for all his talent on the field, was a pretty despicable person whose antics, cheating and nasty play made him one of the most loathed characters in the game.

Yet now, people are falling over themselves to make excuses for him. Like the Liverpool fans everyone so roundly mocked because of their deep understanding of South American Spanish and in the intricacies of the use of the word ‘negro’, some Arsenal fans are now cunning, expert linguists. They know what he said, how he said it, what it means on the streets of Uruguay, and look, Evra is a twat anyway so it doesn’t really matter.

Bang on the money - especially about the Evra is a twat :)

I'm surprised that anyone is surprised at the Arsenal fans reaction. Suarez is a top player - of course we want him. We don't care if he's a wanker, show me a footballer and I'll show you a wanker. They are absolute scum but Suarez would be our scummy wanker and that's all that matters.

[Master Splinter]

As much as i loathe the party line pulling Arseblog - a very good extract from a piece:


What you, and others who are making this accusation, fail to realise is that not one person on here (as far as I have seen) has excused Suarez's actions or defended him. Everyone knows he's a revolting piece of utter scum.

When NQ says he finds there are more heinous crimes worth zoning in on than Suarez's racism, he's not excusing him.

When me, MO, or Cripps says he's an excellent player, we're not defending him.

Just because we say one thing, it doesn't mean it infers the other. It's quite simple.

[Master Splinter]

Right on there Sir, but some aspects cant just be ignored because of it.

I hate to come all NQ over you, but why not? Awful shit in life is overlooked all the time. Why is awful shit in football of more importance? If anything, I'd say 'controversial' incidents in football are as trivial as you can get. Especially as what we're discussing is basically a silly 90-minute kick about between stupid, rich, slightly taller and bulkier schoolchildren, backed by an even stupider baying crowd of tribal saps.

[LDG]

https://twitter.com/Bilz_Girolski/status/360027604457246720

:lol:

[Niall_Quinn]

https://twitter.com/Bilz_Girolski/status/360027604457246720

:lol:

He said smoking, not injecting.

[JonasTC]

Will you guys stop portraiting him as a rascist psychopath? Its fucking crazy and blown out of proportion. The way you do it, you could portrait most footballers as psychopaths, its just ridiculous. Im not defending him because he may or may not be our player soon, but its not fair treating a person like this, especially based on a "his word against my word" case.

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Surely just because he made a racist comment doesn't mean he hates people of other races does it...which is surely the very definition of a racist. Much like JT, how could he be a racist but his best mate is Ashley Cole for example?

People make comments based on people's differences to further add insult...if someone is fat call them a fat ****, ginger...ginger **** etc. Doesn't mean you hate them because of these features.

I'm not saying he's not a racist as we don't really know that, but I don't think it means he is one either.

[Gooner23]

Like you say its difficult to say definitively. Personally I don't think he's racist, just a bit thick (like most players).

What I really can't stand about him is his on-field antics i.e throwing himself around, constantly gesticulating to the ref and lino's. But ultimately he is a world class striker, and being a typically fickle fan I'm sure I would forgive him for that!

[Power n Glory]

As much as i loathe the party line pulling Arseblog - a very good extract from a piece:

But what I find most dismaying is the revisionism that’s gone on since our interest has become public knowledge. I don’t remember too many Arsenal fans defending him when he was banned for 8 games for the Evra incident. I don’t remember too many Arsenal fans saying that biting somebody isn’t really that bad when you think about. I don’t remember too many Arsenal fans who said anything other than Suarez, for all his talent on the field, was a pretty despicable person whose antics, cheating and nasty play made him one of the most loathed characters in the game.

Yet now, people are falling over themselves to make excuses for him. Like the Liverpool fans everyone so roundly mocked because of their deep understanding of South American Spanish and in the intricacies of the use of the word ‘negro’, some Arsenal fans are now cunning, expert linguists. They know what he said, how he said it, what it means on the streets of Uruguay, and look, Evra is a twat anyway so it doesn’t really matter.

Bang on the money - especially about the Evra is a twat :)

:gp: Revisionism.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

Surely just because he made a racist comment doesn't mean he hates people of other races does it...which is surely the very definition of a racist. Much like JT, how could he be a racist but his best mate is Ashley Cole for example?

People make comments based on people's differences to further add insult...if someone is fat call them a fat ****, ginger...ginger **** etc. Doesn't mean you hate them because of these features.

I'm not saying he's not a racist as we don't really know that, but I don't think it means he is one either.

i think an important element here is the culture. if he called evra a negro instead of a n****r then it can be viewed as 'more' acceptable because of ideological and cultural differences relating to the value system he was bought up in. south americans are typically accustomed to referring black people as 'negros', it's like when we say 'hey mate', they say 'hey negro'. in that sense i dont think he's racist. he is just accustomed to a different value system compared to the european one we have been bought up in.

but i do recall him saying a few things that clearly overstepped the mark i.e. when evra said 'why are you acting like this' he said 'because you're black', or something along those lines. that clearly oversteps the boundary. but in a sick twisted way, again, i guess it's 'more' acceptable in his eyes because he was raised in a culture and value system where it's okay to (perhaps) devalue people of certain races. the ideological difference between europe and south america is huge. here everyone is automatically equal, but perhaps not over there.

having said that, he lived in holland for a number of years and surely knows it was a boundary too far.

and linking it into terry's case, i think terry's incident was much worse. he said the actual N word caught live on camera and has been bought up in a european country based on european values. he has no cultural excuse.

EDIT: and as some have pointed out, education played a massive part. footballers are thick as shit.

[KSE Comedy Club]

Fuck me this shit is getting old/tiresome.

Yes Suarez is a **** but he become our **** soon and if he can score 30 a season it could mean we win something.

So fuck it, I'm passed caring tbh.