Luis Suarez thread

[Ollie the Optimist]

Liverpool striker Luis Suarez admits he still hopes to come to a "friendly" resolution with the club over his transfer saga.

Suarez is looking to secure a move away from Anfield this summer and has called in the help of the Professional Footballers' Association to try and mediate over a reported buy-out clause in his contract.

The Uruguayan has claimed Liverpool boss Brendan Rodgers has reneged on an agreement last summer which would allow the player to leave for a Champions League club.

The claim from Suarez has infuriated Rodgers and Liverpool with the player now being forced to train alone with Rodgers suggesting the 26-year-old had shown a "total disrespect" to the club with his outburst.

Suarez remains determined to leave Liverpool, but says he is "still defending the Liverpool shirt" until his future is resolved.

"I'm still defending the Liverpool shirt and I will do so until the last minute," Suarez is quoted as saying Marca.

"My aim is to reach an agreement with the club in a friendly manner and I hope the clause we agreed a year ago is fulfilled. Up to now, it hasn't been.

"It's not that I want to or am desperate to leave, but I like things to be clear and a year ago I made my position to the club clear."

Suarez also revealed he is prepared to ignore pleas from Liverpool skipper Steven Gerrard to stay as he set his heart on playing for a club in the Champions League.

"A Champions League team (Arsenal) is making a big effort to get me and one always wants to be where they feel comfortable."
Luis Suarez
"Gerrard has a lot of history with Liverpool and his words are very important but everyone should understand that I need to play the Champions League to keep growing as a footballer," added Suarez.

"Now I have the chance, I want to take it.

"A Champions League team (Arsenal) is making a big effort to get me and one always wants to be where they feel comfortable."

Real Madrid have been credited with an interest in Suarez and the former Ajax man admits he would jump at the chance of joining the Spanish giants

"There were a lot of rumours (about Real) that were different to reality: Madrid never called me personally or Liverpool to try and negotiate," continued Suarez.

"Every player aspires to reach the top and Real Madrid is among the most important clubs in the world. It would be very difficult to say no to Real Madrid."

suarez speaks again

[Niall_Quinn]

He's not going to need to act up for us to sell someone. :lol:

I don't even view that as a tongue in cheek comment, I think our reputation most likely plays a huge part. CL football and then an easy exit, we're everything he needs on the path to Madrid.

[Niall_Quinn]

I'm officially bored with all of this shit.

I got there yesterday, having been unofficially bored of it for weeks.

[Marc Overmars]

i wunt 2 play champeeons leeg and i hope dey stick to the pwomise

[Niall_Quinn]

suarez speaks again

That was in Marca? Interesting he's speaking to them.

[LDG]

suarez speaks again

.....and there's the call to Real, "come and get me"

[McNamara That Ghost...]

I don't even view that as a tongue in cheek comment, I think our reputation most likely plays a huge part. CL football and then an easy exit, we're everything he needs on the path to Madrid.

Fine by me.

[Shaqiri Is Boss]

It's not that I want to or am desperate to leave

That makes literally no sense.

[Ollie the Optimist]

this is a point for Zimm here. apparently a player who plays less then 10% of the games, is entitled to terminate his contract.

so you cant make him rot in the reserves. unless you play him in hte odd game just to make sure he stays above 10% but htat wouldnt really work

[Niall_Quinn]

this is a point for Zimm here. apparently a player who plays less then 10% of the games, is entitled to terminate his contract.

so you cant make him rot in the reserves. unless you play him in hte odd game just to make sure he stays above 10% but htat wouldnt really work

Does it work the other way around? I'm thinking Nick Bendtner here.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Sadly Bendtner wants to avoid playing any matches. And we're letting him!

[Niall_Quinn]

Sadly Bendtner wants to avoid playing any matches. And we're letting him!

To be fair, we're beneath him. What he really needs is a Bendtner World XI, Messi, Ronaldo, Gareth Barry. But he has been forced to play with dregs to this point and some might say it has harmed his career.

[Nayan]

im hoping this suarez crap was never intended to come to anything and is just there to soften us up for the inevitable bargain bin buys. Sort of like united are doing with cesc ahead of bringing in fellaitioni and baines, but you know, not as good as those too cos thats the arsenal way.

[GP]

You hope we don't sign a world class player?

Weird.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

im hoping this suarez crap was never intended to come to anything and is just there to soften us up for the inevitable bargain bin buys. Sort of like united are doing with cesc ahead of bringing in fellaitioni and baines, but you know, not as good as those too cos thats the arsenal way.

I think that's fairly unlikely. We wouldn't have dragged it on this long, it's hardly going to improve the atmosphere if they don't go on to see this through.

[Ollie the Optimist]

You hope we don't sign a world class player?

Weird.

:gp:

[Marc Overmars]

You hope we don't sign a world class player?

Weird.

Exactly right.

[Nayan]

You hope we don't sign a world class player?Weird.

theres more to being a world class player than having some skill with a ball. also remember some of our players are black and also made out of human meat.

Anyway I'm not going to abuse anyone who after all these years is desperate to spuff some money on an overpriced forward, no matter who it is. I'm just going to laugh at you

luis suarez:
done for racial abuse
bites opponents
dives - remember liverpool 1 arse 2 two seasons back and how he 'won' that penalty by diving.
plus he has form for behaving unacceptably to get his move every two years. Ask an ajax fan what they think of him.

utterly ridicu signing at 50 million(multiple of the club record) and wont win us shit. Proper clubs would struggle to hold on to him, never mind arsenal. He will be flashing knickers at madrid from day one.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

theres more to being a world class player than having some skill with a ball. also remember some of our players are black and also made out of human meat.

Anyway I'm not going to abuse anyone who after all these years is desperate to spuff some money on an overpriced forward, no matter who it is. I'm just going to laugh at you

I remember you said, brutally but accurately describing players from a club's perspective as 'livestock'. Why the concern for the makeup of their characters now?

[Letters]

theres more to being a world class player than having some skill with a ball. also remember some of our players are black and also made out of human meat.
:lol:

Suarez would be far from my first choice but
Arsenal + Suarez > Arsenal without.

Without him it's just another season where we contrive to finish top 4, with him...well, we won't be champions but I'd have some hope we'd be going in the right direction and will at least challenge. Right now there is nothing to get excited about as the new season approaches.

[Shaqiri Is Boss]

Don't worry Nayan, I'm sure you can sell your black players quick enough.

[Nayan]

I think that's fairly unlikely. We wouldn't have dragged it on this long, it's hardly going to improve the atmosphere if they don't go on to see this through.

not sure they ever cared about the atmoshpere before. Why else woudl they hae signed silvestre

[LDG]

Right now there is nothing to get excited about as the new season approaches.

Apart from the first GW meet of the season! :scarf:

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Don't worry Nayan, I'm sure you can sell your black players quick enough.

http://thinkfootball.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Gervinho-Arsenal-vs-Southampton-PreSeason_2796221.jpg

[Ollie the Optimist]

theres more to being a world class player than having some skill with a ball. also remember some of our players are black and also made out of human meat.

Anyway I'm not going to abuse anyone who after all these years is desperate to spuff some money on an overpriced forward, no matter who it is. I'm just going to laugh at you

luis suarez:
done for racial abuse
bites opponents
dives - remember liverpool 1 arse 2 two seasons back and how he 'won' that penalty by diving.
plus he has form for behaving unacceptably to get his move every two years. Ask an ajax fan what they think of him.

utterly ridicululous signing at 40 million. Proper clubs would struggle to hold on to him, never mind arsenal. He will be flashing knickers at madrid from day one.

if you dont want to sign him because of the racism which is perfecty acceptable reason, just say it. dont make up bollocks about him not being world class, because hes one of the best strikers in europe right now.

and while diving isnt exactly what i want to see arsenal players do, remember cazorla against west brom? we are guilty of it too.

no one is saying we will keep him for years and years, we all know he will be here two years max. but if he wins us some trophies, and goes to madrid for around 40 million, i couldnt give a fuck

[GP]

Don't worry Nayan, I'm sure you can sell your black players quick enough.

We don't like their sort around here.

[Özim]

Or he hopes we don't sign a player who is clearly a mercenary with no end to what he will do to facilitate a move to a new club.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

not sure they ever cared about the atmoshpere before. Why else woudl they hae signed silvestre

That was five years ago! This isn't the first time that the club have not come out and said we have money to spend but it is the first time they have come out and said we can do 'exciting' things. They must know how poisonous it has got since then and how poisonous it will be should it go as you suggest. If they're cold, unwielding businessmen that only cares about the profit bottom line, then there's no way in hell they won't take notice of that and do something like signing Suarez, which would appease the mass amount of fans.

That should be the cynical take on it, not that we're doing it so we can back out and say 'ah well, at least we tried'. It's just not going to cut it anymore.

[Niall_Quinn]

Suarez would be far from my first choice but
Arsenal + Suarez > Arsenal without.

Not until October, by which time it could all be over with the squad we have. Should have at least three new signings ready to go by now. Utter disgrace we don't. Don't think they ever intended to spend anything, except maybe the cash they have clawed back from finally scraping the shit out. Gareth Barry, Nani, why not? They have great mental strength. Or Flamini, he will make all the difference. And we may well have that Romanian nobody and some other 27 year old unknown. So a solid backup plan should the Suarez deal fall through, and there's only about 95% chance of that happening so why worry?

What a fuck up. We were better off when we had no money. At least we got Cazorla in. Is that it? Trying to get the fans to yearn for the times we were broke?

[Nayan]

if you dont want to sign him because of the racism which is perfecty acceptable reason, just say it. dont make up bollocks about him not being world class, because hes one of the best strikers in europe right now.

and while diving isnt exactly what i want to see arsenal players do, remember cazorla against west brom? we are guilty of it too.

no one is saying we will keep him for years and years, we all know he will be here two years max. but if he wins us some trophies, and goes to madrid for around 40 million, i couldnt give a fuck

1) i havent made up anything. I said it needs more than skill to be world class. go back and read it again. You can let your lips move if it helps.
2) see that and raise you pires vs pompey in 2003. Surazez goes way beyond either of those
3) 40 million is a lot of money and you have no guarantee of getting even 50% of your money back. remember this is a club that worries about spending 10 million on gary cahill when we think he should only be worth 6mill.

[LDG]

Or he hopes we don't sign a player who is clearly a mercenary with no end to what he will do to facilitate a move to a new club.

Or

"Footballers"

(Although, Gervinho managed to stretch that, tbf)

[Ollie the Optimist]

Or he hopes we don't sign a player who is clearly a mercenary with no end to what he will do to facilitate a move to a new club.

if you dont want to sign a mercenary, then we might as well not sign anyone. all players are mercenaires these days. might as well as accept it

[Letters]

Apart from the first GW meet of the season! :scarf:

:partytime:

[Ollie the Optimist]

:partytime:

you will all be fully fledged memebers of the arsenal/wenger can do no wrong group by the end of it :D

[GP]

if you dont want to sign a mercenary, then we might as well not sign anyone. all players are mercenaires these days. might as well as accept it

Matt le Tissier wasn't a mercenary.

He was shit though.

[LDG]

you will all be fully fledged memebers of the arsenal/wenger can do no wrong group by the end of it :D

I don't think we'll be able to tempt him into drugs. It was enough of a struggle getting him to sip on a Southern Comfort and Lemonade, made for women and children.

[Nayan]

Matt le Tissier wasn't a mercenary.

He was shit though.

most players are merccenaries. If they couldnt play football they'd be mugging your gran and stealing cars.
most of those are however smart enough not to shit on their own doorstep.

I wouldnt bet 300% of the club's record transfer fee on Suarez being one of those, I think its a crap deal for arsenal. thats all

[GP]

I don't think we'll be able to tempt him into drugs. It was enough of a struggle getting him to sip on a Southern Comfort and Lemonade, made for women and children.

He'd like Archers and lemonade, I reckon.

OR a bacardi breezer.

[Niall_Quinn]

http://havearsenalspentanymoneyyet.com/

N O

But that could change if:

1) Liverpool agree to sell a player they don't want to sell;
2) Suarez and his lawyers are better than Liverpool and their lawyers;
3) Arsenal are prepared to triple their transfer record;
4) No other club gets interested;
5) Everything (including lawyers fucking around) can happen before the window closes.

What could go wrong?

Have we missed anything that could make this more difficult and unrealistic? I might head off to a Rolls Royce showroom today and spend some time winding up the salesmen. If I can time it just right my neighbours will see me in there and make all sorts of assumptions.

[Nayan]

I remember you said, brutally but accurately describing players from a club's perspective as 'livestock'. Why the concern for the makeup of their characters now?
yes and I stand by that.

Would you rather have good quality livestock at a price that makes sense or bet the ranch on an extremely tempremental thoroughbred - especially one that bites and cost more than you can afford, and (and this, sadly, is where we have to let the analogy go) is a fucking racist cunt who also has form for kicking off and forcing a move every two years?

crap business plan right there

When proper clubs come calling, wenger struggles to hold onto 'worldies' that supposedly regard him as a father figure and say they owe it all to him (henry, cesc, vieira, even adebayor/song/nasri/hleb - or so we thought at the time, bit shit now). ANd if suarez comes and performs wenger will be able to man manage him how exactly?

[McNamara That Ghost...]

yes and I stand by that.
would you rather have good quality livestock at a price that makes sense or an extremely tempremental thoroughbred - especially one that bites and cost more than you can afford, and (and this is where we have to let the analogy go) is a fucking racist cunt

That depends on the quality of the livestock, in Suarez's case, the talent is far more worth the risk than say someone who has a questionable temprement but is perfunctory as a footballer, like say M'Vila.

Also, costs more than we can afford? That's not correct - the new TV deal is something like three times in excess of the previous one, allied with the new sponsorship deals we have coming in and the one with Puma. We clearly have more money than before and have got rid of a lot of wage wasters.

[Nayan]

Don't worry Nayan, I'm sure you can sell your black players quick enough.

oh that scouse wit

[Nayan]

That depends on the quality of the livestock, in Suarez's case, the talent is far more worth the risk than say someone who has a questionable temprement but is perfunctory as a footballer, like say M'Vila.

Also, costs more than we can afford? That's not correct - the new TV deal is something like three times in excess of the previous one, allied with the new sponsorship deals we have coming in and the one with Puma. We clearly have more money than before and have got rid of a lot of wage wasters.

we ddo have more money its true. Doesnt mean we shuld piss it up the wall, and thats what lining the scousers pocket for this guy would be (in my opinion anyway).
We do however need to make a statement, so as to show otehr players its worth coming to arsenal. With that in mind, id literally go large and get tubbers from united if we really have to.

I think he is past it, but a change is as good as a rest so maybe an indian summer pretentding to be anders limpar could work out for us. WOuld sell some shirts and put us back on the map in the right sort of way at least

[Master Splinter]

Exactly right.

Exactly right.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

we ddo have more money its true. Doesnt mean we shuld piss it up the wall, and thats what lining the scousers pocket for this guy would be (in my opinion anyway).
We do however need to make a statement, so as to show otehr players its worth coming to arsenal. With that in mind, id literally go large and get tubbers from united if we really have to.

I think he is past it, but a change is as good as a rest so maybe an indian summer pretentding to be anders limpar could work out for us. WOuld sell some shirts and put us back on the map in the right sort of way at least

I don't think it's pissing it up the wall, no more so than buying Gervinho and then selling him after two seasons with little to no contribution (and all the others we have let go this summer for very little).

It's simple really, the rewards are greater but it's true, the risks are greater too. You have to take those risks if we're ever to reach a higher level, in this league.

In any case, it wouldn't be £50 million up front, these kinds of deals never are.

As an alternative, I could live with Rooney but I think, he hasn't really indicated any kind of interest in joining us, whereas Suarez has (regardless of his intentions). And Man Utd, selling us a player of quality? I know Moyes is new to the job but he's not going to do something like that.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

From Redcafe:

Oh God Suarez, please do an exclusive for the Sun.

:haha:

[LDG]

:lol:

[Özim]

Or

"Footballers"

(Although, Gervinho managed to stretch that, tbf)
Hmmm yeah but he's really a bad example of a footballer which says a lot.

[Özim]

if you dont want to sign a mercenary, then we might as well not sign anyone. all players are mercenaires these days. might as well as accept it
To some degree yes, but they don't all go to the lengths he goes to or get themselves into trouble all the time like he does. As I've said he's done this kind of thing before, there's not a lot of footballers that take clubs to tribunals and threaten them.

[Nayan]

I don't think it's pissing it up the wall, no more so than buying Gervinho and then selling him after two seasons with little to no contribution (and all the others we have let go this summer for very little).

It's simple really, the rewards are greater but it's true, the risks are greater too. You have to take those risks if we're ever to reach a higher level, in this league.

In any case, it wouldn't be £50 million up front, these kinds of deals never are.

As an alternative, I could live with Rooney but I think, he hasn't really indicated any kind of interest in joining us, whereas Suarez has (regardless of his intentions). And Man Utd, selling us a player of quality? I know Moyes is new to the job but he's not going to do something like that.

gervinho was a calculated risk. we paid what 15 and sold for 7? shame he was so shit but 7ish mill doesnt kill us.
If suarez fails like torres ostensibly did we cant write off 40-50 mill like chelsea can. Nor can we wait for him to come good - arsenal have hyped this up and painted themselves into a corner. people are not just clamouring for a massive signing but also expecting that to deliver the league by tea time.

PS 50 million up front or spread over time is still 50 mill out the door

[Ollie the Optimist]

To some degree yes, but they don't all go to the lengths he goes to or get themselves into trouble all the time like he does. As I've said he's done this kind of thing before, there's not a lot of footballers that take clubs to tribunals and threaten them.

i think a lot do. van persie with that statement, bale is supposdly refusing to train right now, and has an "injury", same with rooney, tevez. goetze went behind dortmunds back, lewandoski is moaning its unfair to be held to a contract. a lot of players are doing things to force moves, suarez is threatening tribunals, others release statements, some refuse to train.

[Nayan]

I don't think it's pissing it up the wall, no more so than buying Gervinho and then selling him after two seasons with little to no contribution (and all the others we have let go this summer for very little).

It's simple really, the rewards are greater but it's true, the risks are greater too. You have to take those risks if we're ever to reach a higher level, in this league.

In any case, it wouldn't be £50 million up front, these kinds of deals never are.

As an alternative, I could live with Rooney but I think, he hasn't really indicated any kind of interest in joining us, whereas Suarez has (regardless of his intentions). And Man Utd, selling us a player of quality? I know Moyes is new to the job but he's not going to do something like that.

moyes is also under pressure and has a demotivated asset training alone at present. every reason to think he will need to cash in and move on

[McNamara That Ghost...]

gervinho was a calculated risk. we paid what 15 and sold for 7? shame he was so shit but 7ish mill doesnt kill us.
If suarez fails like torres ostensibly did we cant write off 40-50 mill like chelsea can. Nor can we wait for him to come good - arsenal have hyped this up and painted themselves into a corner. people are not just clamouring for a massive signing but also expecting that to deliver the league by tea time.

PS 50 million up front or spread over time is still 50 mill out the door

The point is that we've been wasting resources for a while now, yes we've got money back but that money in theory could have gone to someone of a better quality, someone we wouldn't be selling back whilst we will mill about in the same position posting the same kind of results in all competitions.

We wouldn't write off that money completely, we'd still sell him for something and in the meantime we would have sent out that message you mentioned above of being 'back on the map. When the transfer is made, the people involved in football (players, agents) won't be questioning whether it's a wise decision or not, they'll be noticing it's a transfer that means something we're attempting to do seriously. You hear the word 'project' associated a lot with players that decide to go to clubs that have recently stared buying players of excellent quality and that's hopefully what would occur hear.

In Man City's case, it was Robinho that joined (and ultimately left soon after) but the upward curve for them continued. Obviously we don't have their resources but in lieu of that, our starting position is also higher than theirs was.

And yes I know £50 million out is still £50 million no matter how long it takes but the point is, over that time period we would have had our usual income come in along with the prospect of allocating the rest of whatever money we have to spend on other quality players. Hopefully.

There might be every reason to think Moyes would 'cash in' on him but not to us. You can't make a player go where they don't want to and unlike Liverpool, they could conceivably afford to keep a player that is unhappy.

[Xhaka Can’t]

Paul Merson tips Man City for title - or Arsenal if they get Suarez
http://www1.skysports.com/watch/tv-shows/soccer-saturday/news/8859358/paul-merson-tips-man-city-for-title-or-arsenal-if-they-get-suarez



:lol:

Yeah right

I'll have a pint of what he's on.

[Özim]

i think a lot do. van persie with that statement, bale is supposdly refusing to train right now, and has an "injury", same with rooney, tevez. goetze went behind dortmunds back, lewandoski is moaning its unfair to be held to a contract. a lot of players are doing things to force moves, suarez is threatening tribunals, others release statements, some refuse to train.
Suarez has been at Liverpool for 2 years and in that time has managed to get himself charged with racist behaviour and biting someone, he signed a new contract last year on top of that. What right does he have to move exactly, especially after Liverpool backed him as they have and he's barely shown any loyalty to them (2 years isn't really much is it).

Most of the players you mention have been at their clubs for quite a while at least, as for the not training well where's the proof of this noone has come out and said they're not training...but even if they weren't it's not as bad as threatening the club and calling them liars.

Suarez of bad character let's face it, his whole career shows this from his early days at Groningen to now, he'll screw his next club over in not time just like he has every other club, who wants players like him at their club? Yes he's talented but he's amongst the worst of the worst in the football game today, bear in mind the game is hardly a model on how to behave as well.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

I'll have a pint of what he's on.

Not enough to allow cunts spoken on Sky Sports.

[LDG]

Not enough to allow cunts spoken on Sky Sports.

:lol:

"There's more wine in the freezer!"

[GP]

I'll have a pint of what he's on.

Turps?

[Grebbo]

Anyone seen that clip of him singing in his car on his way into training today?

:lol:

What a loveable cunt

:cloud9:

[LDG]

http://images.dailystar-uk.co.uk/dynamic/58/photos/905000/620x/14905.jpg

[Niall_Quinn]

Not enough to allow cunts spoken on Sky Sports.

You swore :sulk:

[Shaqiri Is Boss]

oh that scouse wit

It's why everyone loves us.

[Gooner23]

It's why everyone loves us.

Suarez doesn't.

[LDG]

:haha:

[Ollie the Optimist]

there are some rumours going about that apparently kronke has spoken to john henry to smooth things out and patch up relatinship with liverpool.


its clearly bullshit, kronke doing something for the club? bollocks

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Silent Stan. :bow:

Always rated him tbf.

[Shaqiri Is Boss]

Suarez doesn't.
:haha:

Fair play.

[Ollie the Optimist]

No fucking around now. put the gervinho money onto the 40million pound bid and see what happens

[fakeyank]

No fucking around now. put the gervinho money onto the 40million pound bid and see what happens

A new Brendan Rogers interview?

[GP]

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BC-kZSWCQAAJh1r.jpg

[Niall_Quinn]

there are some rumours going about that apparently kronke has spoken to john henry to smooth things out and patch up relatinship with liverpool.


its clearly bullshit, kronke doing something for the club? bollocks

Wilshere to Liverpool then?

[Cripps_orig]

I've noticed how Ollie has recently taken to using the "there are rumours going around" or "people are saying" lines when we all know its twitter.

Twitter :haha:

Anyway, this the biggest thread for a non arsenal player?

[Munchies]

Wow , 108 pages !!!

Dicksandchicks :rose:

[Cripps_orig]

Just noticed he's been banned :blink:

[LDG]

Just noticed he's been banned :blink:

Yeah, for biting. He's out til October.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

:haha:

[Niall_Quinn]

http://youtu.be/CCoUST7QaIU

[Munchies]

"Have you been fed ?"

:haha:

[LDG]

:lol:

[Japan Shaking All Over]

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BC-kZSWCQAAJh1r.jpg

claaaaass

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Luis Suárez is going nowhere, says Liverpool's owner John W Henry

• Move to Arsenal would be 'ludicrous', owner adds
• It is too late in the day for a deal, says Henry

John W Henry has dealt an emphatic blow to Luis Suárez's hopes of leaving Liverpool by stating the striker will not be sold to Arsenal or to any other European club – for any price – this summer.

Liverpool's principal owner described the prospect of allowing Suárez to join Arsenal as "ludicrous" as he went on the offensive following the player's decision to air his grievances to the Guardian on Tuesday. The Uruguay international has been accused of showing "total disrespect" by Brendan Rodgers and ordered to train away from the first-team squad. Rodgers has his employer's backing to marginalise Suárez for the foreseeable future, in the absence of an apology from the player for the public outburst.

Suárez's agitation for a transfer, Arsenal's knowledge of a £40m clause in the 26-year-old's contract and submission of a £40,000,001 bid has only hardened Liverpool's resolve not to sell their prize asset. Henry said he told Ivan Gazidis, the Arsenal chief executive, that Liverpool would not entertain a bid from them, a club they perceive as a rival for Champions League qualification before offers of £35m and £40,000,001 were made.

Liverpool's principal owner has also told Suárez and his agent, Pere Guardiola, that their attempts to force a transfer have arrived too late in this transfer window. "We are not going to sell Luis," said Henry, on a brief visit to Liverpool. "For all the top clubs it's extremely important [not to sell to a rival] but especially for Liverpool because we're not in Europe this year and have not been in the Champions League for a while. To sell to a rival for those positions, or one of them, would be ludicrous. Liverpool needs to be playing in Europe. It needs to be playing in the Champions League. That's what Liverpool football club is about."

Liverpool may yet face a Premier League arbitration hearing or legal challenge from Suárez over a disputed clause in his contract that the PFA chief executive, Gordon Taylor, concedes "does not say the club has to sell". But even the threat of a mutinous Suárez and the prospect of his value diminishing next season will not alter Henry's stance.

"I'm unequivocal that we won't sell to Arsenal, whatever the bid is," he said. "I have not said it to Stan [Kroenke, Arsenal's majority shareholder] but I had a personal conversation with others at Arsenal and told him [Gazidis] we would not sell to Arsenal."

Only the Gunners have bid for a striker who scored 30 goals last season but is suspended for the first six matches of the new campaign for biting the Chelsea defender Branislav Ivanovic. Suárez has made no secret of his preference for a move to Real Madrid but an approach from the Spanish club would not succeed at this late stage, according to Henry.

"He won't be sold even if a foreign club comes in because we do not have time to sign a suitable replacement," he said. "It's a football reason. It's not about finances. That's why at this point, so late in the window, with everyone who's already moved or isn't moving, we can't replace him. So for football reasons we can't sell, and especially to Arsenal."

Liverpool informed Suárez and Guardiola that any transfer would have to be agreed early in this transfer window to allow Rodgers time to spend the fee. "We made that clear early-on," confirmed Henry, who believes Suárez is misguided in his reasons for wishing to join Arsenal. He said: "Players usually want to win. They want to go, generally in any sport, where they can win. That's why I think this particular episode is misguided. We've won more trophies than Arsenal, but I really don't want to get into that."

Henry is adamant Liverpool have ended doubts over Suárez's future with less than four weeks of the transfer window remaining. "I think the issue has been resolved now," he said. "We have said 'no'. Luis will be a Liverpool player on September 3 [the day after the transfer window closes]." But he concedes that the dispute between Rodgers and Suárez may take longer to repair, with the striker accusing the manager of broken promises and being ostracised as a result.

Asked if he could see Suárez playing for Liverpool again, Henry responded: "That's going to be between the manager and player. The manager is upset, as he should be, the supporters are upset, Luis is, but that's going to be between those two and his team-mates. We need Luis. Hopefully this will pass.

"If you look at the full context of what's happened here it's jarring to all our supporters. The club has stood by him so strongly at a time when you could question whether the club should have stood by him [over the Patrice Evra racism controversy], but they did. I wouldn't say we regret that. The manager and his team-mates were solidly behind him. They were out on the field that day. So we felt they knew more about what occurred than we did, on the field."

The Boston Red Sox owner once described the football industry as "the wild west" in comparison to baseball and despite his disgust at how football transfers are conducted, he sees no point in lodging a formal complaint against Arsenal. "How does a club who doesn't have permission to speak with your player see his contract? It should have been confidential," Henry said. "Unfortunately it's the way it works in football. People don't speak about it publicly but that's the way it's run. It's how things are done. I don't think there's a point because it just seems to happen everywhere. It's rotten."

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2013/aug/08/luis-suarez-liverpool-john-w-henry

Discrediting the buying side, publically, again. Charming.

[AKBapologist]

:ilt:

[LDG]

:rose:

[Shaqiri Is Boss]

Christ almighty he's set himself up for a fall with that.

Seems you really have annoyed us, given how much our stance has hardened in the past couple of weeks.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Time to offer the £50 million I reckon. :popcorn:

[LDG]

To be honest. I hope he stays true to it.

Purely from a football loving point of view.

[Ollie the Optimist]

Henry said he told Ivan Gazidis, the Arsenal chief executive, that Liverpool would not entertain a bid from them, a club they perceive as a rival for Champions League qualification before offers of £35m and £40,000,001 were made.


so he said he wasn't for sale before we bid, yet liverpool after the 40m bid, allowed us to talk to suarez, or so the bbc claimed they did. rodgers also said that until we meet their value, he wont be sold.

something doesnt add up here

[Japan Shaking All Over]

no doubt we are going to wait till last minute....then come out we some crap that we tried our hardest....tum ti tum etc

need to see something happen, either Suarez puts in a request and we follow up with a higher bid or we need to test their resolve and bid what they were originally asking.....although they seem quite stuck on the notion no sell to PL team!?

can just sense RM circling the blood......big chance we lose out on this and come out with nothing, should have really bid higher for Higs but that is past now FFS

[GP]

What an idiot.

If they'd done a deal from the start they could have been shot of him and had Soldado signed up already.

[Ollie the Optimist]

Christ almighty he's set himself up for a fall with that.

Seems you really have annoyed us, given how much our stance has hardened in the past couple of weeks.

hes got previous though http://www.theguardian.com/football/2010/oct/30/liverpool-fernando-torres-jose-reina

[AKBapologist]

I hope we don't buy him tbh. Better for the game and would probably be a colossal waste of money or just be a poisonous runt who will leave next season after helping us win nothing like the last mercenaries.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

To me, this just seem like one desperate last effort to try and get other clubs involved, by saying emphatically that he won't be going to the club most closely linked with him.

Has a club ever been so public in trying to ward off another club from their player? It's crazy.

[AKBapologist]

Also, it might teach arsene a lesson. FFS, typical that though.

[Shaqiri Is Boss]

hes got previous though http://www.theguardian.com/football/2010/oct/30/liverpool-fernando-torres-jose-reina

I hope to fuck it's true, not because of anything that has happened, not because it's Arsenal, not because it's Suarez, just that it was about time a football club stood their ground, reclaimed some sort of power and authority over a player and him and his agent were royally slapped down.

But I just can't see it happening.

To come out and say he isn't for sale to another PL club is one thing, but not for sale to anyone? Risky.

[You can cite Tevez and City, but they can afford to do it ten times over both financially and on the pitch, few/no others can. And it is pretty much the only high profile example]

[GP]

John Henry is a dick.

That's why Billy Beane wouldn't work for him.

[Ollie the Optimist]

I hope to fuck it's true, not because of anything that has happened, not because it's Arsenal, not because it's Suarez, just that it was about time a football club stood their ground reclaimed some sort of power and authority over a player and him and his agent were royally slapped down.

But I just can't see it happening.

To come out and say he isn't for sale to another PL club is one thing, but not for sale to anyone? Risky.

[You can cite Tevez and City, but they can afford to do it ten times over both financially and on the pitch, few/no others can. And it is pretty much the only high profile example]


id love to see you stand up to a player too. be nice to remind them who is boss. however, why does it have to be at our expense lol. for years, we have had people tell us that we have to sell fabregas, rvp etc ebcause its right for them, yet when we try and sign someone, the media especially hope for liverpool to stand up to player power. it had to be us that gets them to stand up to players

[McNamara That Ghost...]

I hope to fuck it's true, not because of anything that has happened, not because it's Arsenal, not because it's Suarez, just that it was about time a football club stood their ground reclaimed some sort of power and authority over a player and him and his agent were royally slapped down.

But I just can't see it happening.

To come out and say he isn't for sale to another PL club is one thing, but not for sale to anyone? Risky.

[You can cite Tevez and City, but they can afford to do it ten times over both financially and on the pitch, few/no others can. And it is pretty much the only high profile example]

This is what I find weird about it - he has already been asked to train alone (we think), so that must suggest an idea of him being a disruptive influence? Is it just a blind hope that attitude will be rid of itself once the window closes? Could be just as 'ludicrous' an idea as selling him to us.

[Ollie the Optimist]

we know exactly what type of person suarez is. if you dont sell him this window, he wont just get on with it. he will sulk to high heaven. the only solution is to sell him, its gone to far now.

[Ralpheroo72]

This transfer is a mess, and its disruptive for all parties involved. I would like to see us move on to other targets, before they are no longer available, and before the window shuts. As it stands, our squad isnt good enough, and will not last the 60 or so games that we may end up playing in the coming season.

[Xhaka Can’t]

Time to offer the £50 million I reckon. :popcorn:

Time to tell him to go fuck himself.

[Niall_Quinn]

To me, this just seem like one desperate last effort to try and get other clubs involved, by saying emphatically that he won't be going to the club most closely linked with him.

Has a club ever been so public in trying to ward off another club from their player? It's crazy.

Perhaps they want to keep the player, perhaps they are serious about the contracts they sign, perhaps they want to challenge on the pitch and so are desperate to hang on to their best players rather than sell them to direct rivals?

Being connected to Arsenal none of that makes any sense to us which is maybe why we are scratching our heads at Liverpool's strange behaviour.

[Shaqiri Is Boss]

This is what I find weird about it - he has already been asked to train alone (we think), so that must suggest an idea of him being a disruptive influence? Is it just a blind hope that attitude will be rid of itself once the window closes? Could be just as 'ludicrous' an idea as selling him to us.

Well given most of the squad was/is in Norway anyway it was a bit of an empty gesture. I could understand him saying not to Arsenal, that is logical and would still leave it open to a foreign bid. But you're right, closing it off completely is just plain odd and sets himself up for a massive fall.

Unless he has been given assurances (ha!) from Suarez that he backs down now in order to engineer a move in January or next Summer (I'm sure a new contract with a foreign release clause can be agreed quick enough). But I can't see that either, given Suarez's claims.

I'm hoping out of hope for football that we're sincere in this. But I'm not convinced.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/23623177

Owen's thoughts. Tit.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Perhaps they want to keep the player, perhaps they are serious about the contracts they sign, perhaps they want to challenge on the pitch and so are desperate to hang on to their best players rather than sell them to direct rivals?

Being connected to Arsenal none of that makes any sense to us which is maybe why we are scratching our heads at Liverpool's strange behaviour.

Well they're dim if they think it's going to help, it's good for the fans to see the club remain firm, by words but to me, it just seems like bluster. The main issue is being able to replace players effectively, not selling them when they want to leave, harder to achieve when you sell them for a lot less than you otherwise should have - like we did.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Well given most of the squad was/is in Norway anyway it was a bit of an empty gesture. I could understand him saying not to Arsenal, that is logical and would still leave it open to a foreign bid. But you're right, closing it off completely is just plain odd and sets himself up for a massive fall.

Unless he has been given assurances (ha!) from Suarez that he backs down now in order to engineer a move in January or next Summer (I'm sure a new contract with a foreign release clause can be agreed quick enough). But I can't see that either, given Suarez's claims.

I'm hoping out of hope for football that we're sincere in this. But I'm not convinced.

I suppose that's true but you'll be back in Melwood tomorrow presumably, unless you're going straight to wherever the Celtic game is being played.

Yeah I doubt a new contract is going be likely, he's going to want everything to be explained in plain honest truth to him. Just sell him you morans!

[Niall_Quinn]

id love to see you stand up to a player too. be nice to remind them who is boss. however, why does it have to be at our expense lol. for years, we have had people tell us that we have to sell fabregas, rvp etc ebcause its right for them, yet when we try and sign someone, the media especially hope for liverpool to stand up to player power. it had to be us that gets them to stand up to players

Why do you think we added that extra £1 to the offer? This so-called transfer is going according to plan I suspect. What's needed now is a Suarez fight back, an indication he's getting his way. Then Liverpool push back and we ride the whole thing past the deadline for a narrow escape and another transfer profit. I hear we are close to picking up two unknown turds anyway so we won't be short in terms of numbers. Flamini would be great too, or Frank McClintock, he's not on TV any more is he? Or just sell the whole club and build a giant car park, another good way of fucking people over for big bucks.

[Xhaka Can’t]

Why do you think we added that extra £1 to the offer? This so-called transfer is going according to plan I suspect. What's needed now is a Suarez fight back, an indication he's getting his way. Then Liverpool push back and we ride the whole thing past the deadline for a narrow escape and another transfer profit. I hear we are close to picking up two unknown turds anyway so we won't be short in terms of numbers. Flamini would be great too, or Frank McClintock, he's not on TV any more is he? Or just sell the whole club and build a giant car park, another good way of fucking people over for big bucks.

We should sign Kenny Sansom and pay him fuck all as he doesn't have many overheads.

[Japan Shaking All Over]

I hope we don't buy him tbh. Better for the game and would probably be a colossal waste of money or just be a poisonous runt who will leave next season after helping us win nothing like the last mercenaries.

Yes, it may be better for the game as some people are saying they are happy to see 'pool stand their ground.........it is a colossal amount of money especially for us but I don't think it would be a waste unless as you say he fu*ks off soon. I reckon he could be fairly great for us and for that reason, I would welcome him here! but time is ticking and yes, he may have six games to serve on his ban so why worry about that.....I reckon he needs time to straighten his head if he were to ever move......now rather than later

[Niall_Quinn]

We should sign Kenny Sansom and pay him fuck all as he doesn't have many overheads.

Why aren't you in charge? You could do a much more thorough job.

[Japan Shaking All Over]

Also, it might teach arsene a lesson. FFS, typical that though.

:haha:

[McNamara That Ghost...]

We should sign Kenny Sansom and pay him fuck all as he doesn't have many overheads.

Just a public bench.

[Japan Shaking All Over]

This is what I find weird about it - he has already been asked to train alone (we think), so that must suggest an idea of him being a disruptive influence? Is it just a blind hope that attitude will be rid of itself once the window closes? Could be just as 'ludicrous' an idea as selling him to us.

:gp:

[Shaqiri Is Boss]

I suppose that's true but you'll be back in Melwood tomorrow presumably, unless you're going straight to wherever the Celtic game is being played.

Yeah I doubt a new contract is going be likely, he's going to want everything to be explained in plain honest truth to him. Just sell him you morans!
:lol:

No idea about training, but it wouldn't be too hard for us to get over to Ireland quickly for Celtic. His punishment probably only lasts till the weekend anyway.

I'm split now. I don't want him playing for us again, but at the same time I want us to teach him a bit of a lesson.

Shockingly, RAWK is loving this news.

[Grebbo]

Ok so that's the end of it. Suarez won't be sold to us.

It's a pity because he's an excellent player.

Time to move on.

[Niall_Quinn]

:lol:

No idea about training, but it wouldn't be too hard for us to get over to Ireland quickly for Celtic. His punishment probably only lasts till the weekend anyway.

I'm split now. I don't want him playing for us again, but at the same time I want us to teach him a bit of a lesson.

Shockingly, RAWK is loving this news.

Well there's no difference between your fans brushing it all under the carpet and making up and us lot accepting him in the first place. We'd both settle for the goals no doubt. No honour in football.

[GP]

I'm split now. I don't want him playing for us again, but at the same time I want us to teach him a bit of a lesson.


I know full well how you feel, but there's no point cutting cutting off your nose to spite your face.

Just get rid.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

RAWK love it whenever someone associated with Liverpool talks with unerring, grand language. :lol:

Worth bearing in mind he was only unequivocal about not selling him to us, he wasn't unequivocal about selling him. Not sure that helps us but RAWK are getting a little bit giddy!

[Niall_Quinn]

This is what I find weird about it - he has already been asked to train alone (we think), so that must suggest an idea of him being a disruptive influence? Is it just a blind hope that attitude will be rid of itself once the window closes? Could be just as 'ludicrous' an idea as selling him to us.

They have extra time, he's sitting out until October. Plenty of time for him to come to his senses, even that utter cock Tevez played along in the end. And what message would it send to Madrid if he sulked the season away. I'm not sure this automatic assumption it is always best to sell an unsettled player is correct, I think it is correct for slimy agents but not necessarily for the clubs and the players. They both still need each other to a degree.

[Grebbo]

RAWK love it whenever someone associated with Liverpool talks with unerring, grand language. :lol:

Worth bearing in mind he was only unequivocal about not selling him to us, he wasn't unequivocal about selling him. Not sure that helps us but RAWK are getting a little bit giddy!

He seemed pretty clear tbh


"He won't be sold even if a foreign club comes in because we do not have time to sign a suitable replacement," he said. "It's a football reason. It's not about finances. That's why at this point, so late in the window, with everyone who's already moved or isn't moving, we can't replace him. So for football reasons we can't sell, and especially to Arsenal."

[Niall_Quinn]

Ok so that's the end of it. Suarez won't be sold to us.

It's a pity because he's an excellent player.

Time to move on.

No, I think we can string this out for 3 more week no problem.

[Grebbo]

Suarez will be sold eventually but it seems they'll get another season out of him at least. Remember Vieira wanted away pretty much every summer and he still performed for us when we said no. Ok so it wasn't as public but Liverpool fans will seemingly forgive Suarez for anything he does so I'm sure he'll be fine.

[Ollie the Optimist]

He seemed pretty clear tbh

its early august. its not that late and he knows it. hes talking the talk, but i dont think he would walk. if madrid or even us came in with over 50 million, they'd sell

[Marc Overmars]

I'm losing faith in signing him especially after those comments but I'll keep hope alive until the window SLAMS shut. Anything to keep the razor blades away tbh.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

They have extra time, he's sitting out until October. Plenty of time for him to come to his senses, even that utter cock Tevez played along in the end. And what message would it send to Madrid if he sulked the season away. I'm not sure this automatic assumption it is always best to sell an unsettled player is correct, I think it is correct for slimy agents but not necessarily for the clubs and the players. They both still need each other to a degree.

September. Tevez's bust up with Mancini wasn't based, or rather, wasn't sprung because he wanted to leave as such - it was some petty reasoning about Mancini having already asked him to warm up and refused to do it a second time. Then he went off to play some golf, whilst they had Aguero, Balotelli and Dzeko scoring numerous goals.

[GP]

I only think he's taking this stance because they know they can't attract a player of the required quality, no matter how much they get for him.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

He seemed pretty clear tbh

He didn't use the word unequivocal though. :whistle:

[Grebbo]

its early august. its not that late and he knows it. hes talking the talk, but i dont think he would walk. if madrid or even us came in with over 50 million, they'd sell

No chance, won't sell to us. Not after a statement like that. This guy's a billionaire, he has no financial need to sell and his ego won't allow it after that statement.

[Niall_Quinn]

I only think he's taking this stance because they know they can't attract a player of the required quality, no matter how much they get for him.

Bendtner. Plus his wages would only be a little higher.

[Ollie the Optimist]

none of this is making any sense. he told us he wasnt for sale at any price, before we even made a bid. we then bid and supppsodly were granted permission to talk to suarez.

that makes comments tonight, not very convincing

[Ollie the Optimist]

No chance, won't sell to us. Not after a statement like that. This guy's a billionaire, he has no financial need to sell and his ego won't allow it after that statement.

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2010/oct/30/liverpool-fernando-torres-jose-reina

[Shaqiri Is Boss]

none of this is making any sense. he told us he wasnt for sale at any price, before we even made a bid. we then bid and supppsodly were granted permission to talk to suarez.

that makes comments tonight, not very convincing

Unless of course, you weren't granted permission.

[Grebbo]

We can't dick about any longer now. We need to move on and strengthen. I'd be content with sticking with Giroud and saving our money for a top striker next season providing we buy top top quality in midfield, defence and GK.

[Ollie the Optimist]

Unless of course, you weren't granted permission.

well there is that, but is the clause supposed to allow us to speak to suarez? i just remember reading the bbc saying we were granted permission to talk to him

[Niall_Quinn]

September. Tevez's bust up with Mancini wasn't based, or rather, wasn't sprung because he wanted to leave as such - it was some petty reasoning about Mancini having already asked him to warm up and refused to do it a second time. Then he went off to play some golf, whilst they had Aguero, Balotelli and Dzeko scoring numerous goals.

Point is, even the worst scum like Tevez can be brought to heel. We're all assuming Suarez is a scumbag in every respect, maybe he'd want to play. I doubt Judas would have wanted to sit on the bench had we forced him to do what honourable human beings do.

[Grebbo]

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2010/oct/30/liverpool-fernando-torres-jose-reina

Nowhere near as categoric.

[Shaqiri Is Boss]

well there is that, but is the clause supposed to allow us to speak to suarez? i just remember reading the bbc saying we were granted permission to talk to him

But at the time no one knew what the clause was, what it meant and even at what price it was. Now that is much clearer, after Taylor's comments especially.

Given there has been nothing from either side, or from Suarez himself in the intervening period, it looks fairly likely no talks took place. Officially, anyway.

[Niall_Quinn]

none of this is making any sense. he told us he wasnt for sale at any price, before we even made a bid. we then bid and supppsodly were granted permission to talk to suarez.

that makes comments tonight, not very convincing

The clause allowed us to speak to him, Liverpool couldn't do anything about it. Or so the story goes.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Point is, even the worst scum like Tevez can be brought to heel. We're all assuming Suarez is a scumbag in every respect, maybe he'd want to play. I doubt Judas would have wanted to sit on the bench had we forced him to do what honourable human beings do.

It took them until April to bring Tevez back! And that was when the club's title aspirations looked to be down the swanny (after the defeat to us).

[Grebbo]

At least that statement has come with 25 days left in the window rather than the last day. Plenty of time for us to buy some other players, no excuses. Stanley must be pissed.

[Ollie the Optimist]

At least that statement has come with 25 days left in the window rather than the last day. Plenty of time for us to buy some other players, no excuses. Stanley must be pissed.


pissed? hed be delighted, doesnt have to shell out 50 million

[Niall_Quinn]

It took them until April to bring Tevez back! And that was when the club's title aspirations looked to be down the swanny (after the defeat to us).

That's why I'm in favour of killing players rather than negotiating with them.

[Grebbo]

pissed? hed be delighted, doesnt have to shell out 50 million

No he'd have preferred the statement on the final day because then he wouldn't have had to spend the £50m and also have the perfect excuse of 'not enough time' to spend the money on other players.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

What was missed out from the Guardian quote but is on the Telegraph version is


“So for football reasons we can’t – and especially to Arsenal. We’ve made that clear. I have said to Ivan Gazidis in a personal conversation that we will not sell to Arsenal. It is unequivocal, but that doesn’t seem to slow them down so I can’t wait to see what the next bid is. ".

:popcorn:

It's on!

Full version of the article:




Henry says he warned Arsenal chief executive Ivan Gazidis before Arsenal offered £40,000,001 that there was no prospect of any deal between clubs fighting for the same Champions League places.

Liverpool rank Arsenal as the last club they would negotiate with, especially following their provocative bid designed to activate an exit clause, which the Anfield board are adamant does not exist.

Henry says even it is too late even to consider a bid from overseas because there is no time to sign an alternative of Suárez’s class.

The South American now faces isolation, left to determine how he can rehabilitate himself into the squad after the transfer window, although he told Spanish newspaper Marca he still wanted an amicable resolution. “My aim is to reach an agreement with the club in a friendly manner and I hope the clause we agreed a year ago is fulfilled,” he said.

But the message from Henry was blunt. “We are not going to sell Luis. It’s a football reason. It’s not finances. At this point, so late in window, with everyone who’s already moved or isn’t moving, we do not have time to replace him.

“So for football reasons we can’t – and especially to Arsenal. We’ve made that clear. I have said to Ivan Gazidis in a personal conversation that we will not sell to Arsenal. It is unequivocal, but that doesn’t seem to slow them down so I can’t wait to see what the next bid is.

“We’re not in Europe this year and have not been in the Champions League for a while. To sell to a rival for those Champions League positions, or one of them, would be ludicrous. Whatever the bid is, we won’t sell him. We need Luis. Hopefully this will pass.”

Suárez trained alone at Melwood again yesterday, banished for publicly criticising the club for not selling him.

Liverpool would rather keep the player against his will than allow him to damage their top-four aspirations by moving to the Emirates, and Henry is livid the confidential details of Suárez’s contract were shown to the Arsenal board.

“It should have been confidential, so absolutely it concerns me,” said Henry. “How does a club that doesn’t have permission to speak with your player see his contract?

“Unfortunately, it’s the way it works in football. People don’t speak about it publicly but that’s the way it’s run. It’s how things are done. I don’t think there’s a point reporting Arsenal because it just seems to happen everywhere, throughout football.

“I think Gordon Taylor is right when he says it’s not good for either side to have any clause. It’s not good for football and maybe the Professional Footballers’ Association can do something about this.”

Liverpool’s despair is accentuated by the fact that they have stood by Suárez through his numerous tribulations, but Henry believes there is a way back into the fold once his *current suspension for biting Chelsea’s Branislav Ivanovic is over.

“That’s going to be between the manager and player,” said Henry. “The manager is upset, as he should be, the supporters are, Luis is, but that’s going to be between those two and his team-mates. He’s one of the best players in the world. I have no reason to believe he won’t continue to be.

“If you look at the full context of what’s happened here, it’s jarring to all our supporters. The club has stood by him so strongly at a time you could question whether the club should have stood by him, but they did.

“There’s a saying in baseball about loyalty to the uniform. There’s a *certain feeling you get when you put on a uniform as a baseball player and I’m certain it’s the same for most football players. When you put on the uniform it’s pretty special. I’d imagine for most footballers to put on the uniform of Liverpool Football Club is a big moment.”

Henry says Liverpool are still working on deals for new recruits – one of which is understood to be the £24million purchase of the Brazilian striker Diego Costa from Atlético Madrid – and finishing in the Premier League top four remains the ambition this season.

The Merseyside club’s global support was demonstrated during their recent tour of Australia and the Far East, but Henry insists it is essential that they consolidate on such enduring appeal with one-field success.

“This club can’t not be in the Champions League,” he said. “It needs to be playing in Europe. It needs to be playing in the Champions League. That’s what Liverpool Football Club is about.

“I have high expectations. We had a very good second half of last season and the reports from training and the feeling within the club among the players is good. I think we will *surprise people this year. It will be disappointing if we don’t.

“The reality was there were 95,000 people watching us in Melbourne.

“It may well be romantic. Players usually want to win. They want to go, generally in any sport, where they can win. That’s why I think this particular episode is misguided.

“The message is that the club is heading in the right direction. This episode is not going to stop us. That’s what we are all focused on right now.”

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/liverpool/10232176/Liverpool-owner-John-W-Henry-insists-Luis-Suarez-will-not-leave-Anfield.html

[Niall_Quinn]

What was missed out from the Guardian quote but is on the Telegraph version is



:popcorn:

It's on!

Come on FFS. Next bid is £40,000,002, duh!

[Niall_Quinn]

No he'd have preferred the statement on the final day because then he wouldn't have had to spend the £50m and also have the perfect excuse of 'not enough time' to spend the money on other players.

Maybe we could arrange an emergency tour of Swaziland?

[Grebbo]

What was missed out from the Guardian quote but is on the Telegraph version is



:popcorn:

It's on!

'Unequivocal'

It's off

[Ollie the Optimist]

hes not for sale, but it hasnt slowed them down and i wnat to see the next bid.


that really doesnt make sense. something doesnt add up at all

[McNamara That Ghost...]

'Unequivocal'

It's off

Who believes that word anyway? :lol:

[Niall_Quinn]

There were moments there where I allowed myself the tiniest belief the board would sanction a £40mill transfer and Wenger would actually go ahead and agree. But think how ludicrous that is in the cold light?

[Niall_Quinn]

hes not for sale, but it hasnt slowed them down and i wnat to see the next bid.


that really doesnt make sense. something doesnt add up at all

What doesn't add up is our transfer spending - but what's new with that?

[Niall_Quinn]

http://havearsenalspentanymoneyyet.com/

Just checked again, it says

N O

[McNamara That Ghost...]

NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO!

[Ollie the Optimist]

the other thing i question about henrys statement is the timing. why not say this after we bid 40 million? or even after our first bid?

[Ralpheroo72]

What doesn't add up is our transfer spending - but what's new with that?

Not true, our transfer spending has mirrored most other seasons....

[Özim]

so he said he wasn't for sale before we bid, yet liverpool after the 40m bid, allowed us to talk to suarez, or so the bbc claimed they did. rodgers also said that until we meet their value, he wont be sold.

something doesnt add up here

Yup we have, the £1 was bound to annoy them :lol:

[Özim]

Perhaps they want to keep the player, perhaps they are serious about the contracts they sign, perhaps they want to challenge on the pitch and so are desperate to hang on to their best players rather than sell them to direct rivals?

Being connected to Arsenal none of that makes any sense to us which is maybe why we are scratching our heads at Liverpool's strange behaviour.

:lol: Very true.

Fair play to Liverpool I hope they dig their heels on and screw over the f*cker.

[Niall_Quinn]

Yup we have, the £1 was bound to annoy them :lol:

Of course it did. We've made a pretty blatant attempt to prise the player out of the club by activating what we thought was a release contract, whether Liverpool wanted to sell or not. It's a shitty way to carry on, very typical of what goes on in the modern game but the club on the receiving end won't enjoy it much. We should know with all that tapping up Barcunt do to us.

[Özim]

Yes, it may be better for the game as some people are saying they are happy to see 'pool stand their ground.........it is a colossal amount of money especially for us but I don't think it would be a waste unless as you say he fu*ks off soon. I reckon he could be fairly great for us and for that reason, I would welcome him here! but time is ticking and yes, he may have six games to serve on his ban so why worry about that.....I reckon he needs time to straighten his head if he were to ever move......now rather than later

He's a total scumbag and is bad for the game with all his antics and don't worry he'd do us over as well within a year or two when he's decided he wants more money and to move to a bigger club.

This guy would be bad for the club, the only reason we are where we are is because we've not managed to sign any f*cker in 2 months.

[Özim]

They have extra time, he's sitting out until October. Plenty of time for him to come to his senses, even that utter cock Tevez played along in the end. And what message would it send to Madrid if he sulked the season away. I'm not sure this automatic assumption it is always best to sell an unsettled player is correct, I think it is correct for slimy agents but not necessarily for the clubs and the players. They both still need each other to a degree.

Spot on Tevez was a perfect example, he kicked up a big fuss, Man City told the f*cker he's not going anywhere and he eventually can begging for forgiveness and played

Too funny :lol:

[Özim]

I never thought we'd get Suarez and I'm pretty happy about it because I don't want his sort :PHW: anywhere near the club.

We've screwed up this transfer window big time, not signing anyone and going after some muppet we were never going to get (and shouldn't go after in the 1st place), another job well done by the club and Wenger, we're basically never going to see this team improved enough to actually make any credible challenge for a trophy, we're stuck with watching 2nd rate players being told they have quality, spirit and togetherness and that they can win the title.

[Özim]

Of course it did. We've made a pretty blatant attempt to prise the player out of the club by activating what we thought was a release contract, whether Liverpool wanted to sell or not. It's a shitty way to carry on, very typical of what goes on in the modern game but the club on the receiving end won't enjoy it much. We should know with all that tapping up Barcunt do to us.

True but we take the moral high ground so often (Wenger using the word "amicable" was rather funny) and yet are just a shady when trying to do business as anyone else.

[Cripps_orig]

Time Henry came home. If he was in charge here we'd still have rvp

[Özim]

Henry is taking a strong stance and why not it makes no sense to sell to us, as he said it would damage their top 4 aspirations by strengthening a rival (something we don't seem to care about but other clubs do it seems), they don't want to sell and he's right where are the replacements for him?

He's got the money and clearly wants to teach football players that they can't just have it their own way, he's clearly p*ssed off at us about this supposed clause as well and about how we found out about it so that's further strengthened his stance against selling to us, we'd have had a better chance if we'd put a proper bid in rather than this £1 boll*cks.

Suarez is f*cked basically, he stays and plays that's pretty much the end of it and with the World Cup looming he will.

[selassie]

Time to lock this one? Nothing more to see here now?

[Niall_Quinn]

No, this one will rumble on right up to the deadline. Has to or else we'd have to look for an alternative.

[selassie]

No, this one will rumble on right up to the deadline. Has to or else we'd have to look for an alternative.

:lol:

[Harland]

Meh we should just look for an alternative and hopefully Suarez will be a poisonous influence in Liverpool.

[Munchies]

His stance seems pretty strong, and it appears that he might be forced to stay.

Fuck sake.

We have Bendnter up front though :arry:

[Nayan]

Luis Suarez: Liverpool owner John W Henry says striker not for sale
Liverpool owner John W Henry insists striker Luis Suarez will not be sold this summer - no matter what the price.

Suarez, 26, has been told to train alone after seeking a move to Arsenal.

"We are not going to sell Luis," Henry told various newspapers. "It's very important [not to sell to a rival], but especially for Liverpool because we're not in Europe this year."

The Suarez saga

24 April: Banned for 10 games by the Football Association for biting Chelsea's Branislav Ivanovic.

29 May: Drops a big hint that he wants to leave Liverpool after saying he finds life in England hard.

12 June: Suarez reiterates his love for Liverpool, but insists life in England is very hard.

8 July : Liverpool turn down a £30m bid from Arsenal.

24 July: Arsenal offer £40,000,001 for Suarez, triggering a clause in his contract.

2 August: Says he will consider a formal transfer request and the possibility of court action if his Liverpool dispute is not resolved.

7 August: Suarez says he wants to leave Liverpool to join a Champions League side.

8 August: Told to train alone by manager Brendan Rodgers, who says the player has shown "total disrespect" for the club.

8 August: Liverpool owner John W Henry insists striker Luis Suarez will not be sold this summer - no matter what the price.
He said it would be "ludicrous" to sell to a rival, adding he was "unequivocal" they would not sell to Arsenal


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best news I heard all week.
Gazidis watch and learn.

PLus this is so far away from wenger's normal modus operandi that I start to think its entirely imposed by the board - who are demonstably not fir for purpose.

[Nayan]

from football365:

And They Were Surprised?
You can see why Brendan Rodgers is pissed off.

Quite apart from the bullsh*t storm that Luis Suarez has caused, and the undoubted disrespect shown to both Liverpool and Rodgers by announcing through the press (that he apparently hates) that he wants to leave Anfield and make it snappy, Rodgers is staring down the barrel of a season without his best player. Brendan is probably soiling himself.

And yet, Rodgers sounded surprised by all of this.

He said: "There were no promises made - categorically none - and no promises broken. The club and his representatives had several conversations and he knew exactly where he was at.

"I will take strong, decisive action. There has been total disrespect of the club - this is a club that is historically one of the biggest in the world and has given him everything; absolutely everything."

As you know, in his time at Liverpool Luis Suarez has racially abused a chap, then refused to shake that's chap's hand, pissed and whined when he was subsequently banned for racially abusing that chap, bitten a chap (for the second time in three years) and committed all sorts of sundry other acts of arseholery, major and minor.

And through all of this time, Liverpool and Rodgers have stood by him. They offered condemnation after the Ivanovic chomp, but it's well to remember that they didn't consider this worthy of a club ban, and instead waited for the FA to smack Suarez's bottom. They have created a bubble around Suarez where he believes he can do no wrong, that he can stamp his feet and get what he wants. He's the ultimate indulged child.

Add to this the knowledge that while he was at Groningen and received a shinier offer from Ajax, he virtually went on strike and took his case to the Dutch authorities to force a move through.

Now, a year after signing a new contract and saying how lovely Liverpool is and promising he'll stay ("I want to say now that, if you want to know what will happen to me if we don't qualify for the Champions League, then I will say this: I have a contract with Liverpool and I am very happy here. I will stay" - Luis Suarez, January 31), he firstly says he'd like to leave but for his family's sake and to escape the ghastly British press, then when it was clear that only one club was prepared to buy him, shifted his sights a little and decided that the British press were actually quite helpful and he'll stay in this country, but not with Liverpool.

And Rodgers is surprised.

If you tolerate and tacitly excuse someone being an arsehole, you really, really, really shouldn't be surprised when that person one day flips and directs his arseholery at you.
There's a moral to this tale somewhere...

[Marc Overmars]

What a mess of a summer. The one time we have money to spend and it looks like being the worst of the lot.

[PGFC]

Us :pal: only we could fuck up something so simple.

[Gooner23]

Higuin for 30 mil, plus no baggage, suspensions and messy transfer probably looking like the more sensible option now. He would have been with squad for couple of weeks already.

We might still end up getting Suarez, but it will be last minute deadline day, and very very messy.

We really have become quite incompetent at transfer dealings.

[Grebbo]

Time for a cheeky bid for Coutinho??

[JonasTC]

I have no doubt we will spend money in this transfer window... I just cant think of anyone, there's available, willing to come here and could improve our squad :s You guys reckon any?

[Nayan]

we dont even need a striker. We scord more or less as many as we did in RvC's last season and had four players into double digits. And that's during giroud's first season adaptation to english football (he will be quality by the way - if you dont see that go fuck yourself. seriously)

However we still dont have a proper midfield enforcer and are converting an ageing rightback into a centraback ahead of ignasi miquel - which means our defence is paper thin again. And there are still question marks about the goalie.

how very arsenal

[Özim]

What a mess of a summer. The one time we have money to spend and it looks like being the worst of the lot.
Predictable isn't it though, we're either totally incompetent or doing it on purpose so we can spend as little as possible.

Hearing Wenger talk about this team being capable of challenging for the title really grates as well, what kind of manager is totally against signing players like he is....it's unheard of.

[LDG]

Oh, just fuck this cunt off.

Can't believe we've wasted so much time on this bollocks.

[Nayan]

Predictable isn't it though, we're either totally incompetent or doing it on purpose so we can spend as little as possible.

Hearing Wenger talk about this team being capable of challenging for the title really grates as well, what kind of manager is totally against signing players like he is....it's unheard of.

whether you buy into wengervision or not, it is true taht he has a decent young squad now who you would expect to be getting better each year as thery approach maturity. Logically, you should only spend if you see something that is very compelling and not spend for the sake of it.

if this sounds 'arsene knows best' it isnt meant to - ive had enough of him and want him gone at the end of his contract. For example Then I dont see how betting on diaby's new adamantine skeleton instead of buying capoue for 10 quid makes sense. Nor letting a defender go on loan and only then realising miquel isnt fit to be 4th choice CB so you then have to draft in sagna at CB.

[Özim]

whether you buy into wengervision or not, it is true taht he has a decent young squad now who you would expect to be getting better each year as thery approach maturity. Logically, you should only spend if you see something that is very compelling and not spend for the sake of it.

if this sounds 'arsene knows best' it isnt meant to - ive had enough of him and want him gone at the end of his contract. For example Then I dont see how betting on diaby's new adamantine skeleton instead of buying capoue for 10 quid makes sense. Nor letting a defender go on loan and only then realising miquel isnt fit to be 4th choice CB so you then have to draft in sagna at CB.
Yeah but we've been here before haven't we, young squad getting a bit more experienced...ready to win title etc....they never come close. The fact is the squad lacks a lot of quality and doesn't even have those leaders you need when the going gets tough, the only time we can get results is when there's nothing left to play for. In addition our football is awful nowadays, last season we had a good run at the end of the season but really laboured to wins.

I don't see the potential in this squad, there's a handful of decent players and that's it IMO.

[Nayan]

Yeah but we've been here before haven't we, young squad getting a bit more experienced...ready to win title etc....they never come close. The fact is the squad lacks a lot of quality and doesn't even have those leaders you need when the going gets tough, the only time we can get results is when there's nothing left to play for. In addition our football is awful nowadays, last season we had a good run at the end of the season but really laboured to wins.

I don't see the potential in this squad, there's a handful of decent players and that's it IMO.

thats becasue you are comparing them to title winners,and of course they dont ahve a prayer. There is however a lot of potential for this team to continue skanking 4th place without costing the board too much, and ultimately thats all that matters.
We might even be able to sell a couple to united or barca if they are any good. Kosielny first, then maybe wilshere, in which extra caviar.

[Özim]

thats becasue you are comparing them to title winners,and of course they dont ahve a prayer. There is however a lot of potential for this team to continue skanking 4th place without costing the board too much, and ultimately thats all that matters.
We might even be able to sell a couple to united or barca if they are any good. Kosielny first, then maybe wilshere, in which extra caviar.

Absolutely because ultimately 4th place means nothing to me, there's nothing to celebrate really, sure we get into the CL but how exciting is that really, every season we know exactly what is going to happen, knowing the outcome kinda spoils the fun for me.

[Nayan]

yeah I'm getting pretty bored with it all to be honest. Then again, seeing super jack drive the team on for the couple of years we have him ahead of his move might be worth a watch

[LDG]

Another one for Maccy to move to Other footy chat?

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Nah.

[LDG]

You still think we'll sign him up?

[GP]

It's on!

tbh, for all of Liverpool's posturing, I don't see how they can keep him.

I think they'll make him (and us) sweat, but ultimately they'll let him go.

[LDG]

It's on!

tbh, for all of Liverpool's posturing, I don't see how they can keep him.

I think they'll make him (and us) sweat, but ultimately they'll let him go.

And if they don't, then at least we still have Alharbi El-Jadeyaoui, who can play there.

Fuck it, can't wait for the opener anyway. Beer, good company more beer, and a few sing-songs :scarf:

[McNamara That Ghost...]

You still think we'll sign him up?

JW Henry is anticipating another bid, thus if we're to believe that bastion of truth, I guess we should too.

[Grebbo]

Depends if they sign a replacement. The only thing that didn't make sense in their Chairman's statement was he said there wasn't enough time to sign a replacement. Well there's still 24 days of the window left plus they've known about Suarez wanting to leave for at least two weeks. Fuck loads of time.

I think we should move this thread now because it's depressing!

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Is it really going to be any less depressing if I move the thread?

[Grebbo]

Is it really going to be any less depressing if I move the thread?

Yeah cos I don't visit that other section

[LDG]

Well if Maccy thinks there's still life in it, who am I to judge.

In Arsenal Debate it should stay.

Maccy :bow:

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Yeah cos I don't visit that other section

Exactly.

[Shaqiri Is Boss]

This thread >>>>>>>> Classics Section?

[Niall_Quinn]

This saga is only starting - all the main action still to come, right up until the last few minutes of deadline day. Bank on it. Wouldn't be at all surprised if Sky TV is paying both clubs to run this farce. It's having the exact effect I'd want to keep the fans from both clubs glued in to what are essentially two teams that have been gutted by greed, wrangling and incompetence. Two teams that are letting their traditions (which both boast openly about) go to hell. Our shitty board even had it's bubble transplanted from Highbury to our shiny new Arab Stadium, essential to maintain the delusions I'd think.

So, time for the Liverpool fans to get behind their team and do the loyalty and respect thing in support of their loving owners and passionate manager. And time for the Arsenal fans to fully buy into this new world of wonga where we get back £40mill (plus £1 of course) of the hundreds of millions the cunts have looted out of the club. Everyone remember to say thanks. As this is an Arsenal forum let's overpower the lone scouser here by mentioning "class" more times than he can. And the reverse can unfold on RAWK.

Loyalty, class, respect, football? Really?

If we had any intention whatsoever to be challenging for the prizes in our sport we'd have done what it takes to fill the obvious and gaping holes in our team by now. Other clubs can do it, why can't we? Too difficult? PSG stopped us? The weather was very hot? Or maybe don't look at all because the Suarez thing is so exciting it's safe to ignore everything else. And let's say Suarez jumps ship in the middle of his contract. Do the maths. How much will the ticket prices increase next year to pay for our new ultra competitive big time policy of brushing some crumbs to the fans?

A goalie. A decent defender to step in should our lone (accidentally decent) defender get injured. The midfielder we've needed for the past decade. A striker who can kick and head the ball at the goal instead of blast it twenty yards wide and then die in a mini-drama of regret.

Which begs the question. What the hell is wrong with our manager? Or maybe, what's our manager's game? Is it still football or is it something else?

Don't move the thread, plenty of thrills and spills and class and respect and loyalty to come yet.

[Nayan]

You still think we'll sign him up?

nah. but if we do I hope he gets booed

[Kano]

i think if we had come in with a £45m+ bid from the off this would of had a much better chance of happening. Instead of pissing off the selling club by trying to force their hand with some sort of internal dispute with their best player in the lead up to the start of the season.

the idea was that this was wengers last gasp attempt to go all out in style, able to do what he never has before and push out the boat. but he and the directors have fucked it up. big time.

[Unai Tea]

i think if we had come in with a £45m+ bid from the off this would of had a much better chance of happening. Instead of pissing off the selling club by trying to force their hand with some sort of internal dispute with their best player in the lead up to the start of the season.

the idea was that this was wengers last gasp attempt to go all out in style, able to do what he never has before and push out the boat. but he and the directors have fucked it up. big time.

A top, top super quality fuck up

[Gooner23]

Wenger's stubbornness and arrogance plus Ivan's incompetence.

What a combo.

[Shaqiri Is Boss]

i think if we had come in with a £45m+ bid from the off this would of had a much better chance of happening. Instead of pissing off the selling club by trying to force their hand with some sort of internal dispute with their best player in the lead up to the start of the season.

the idea was that this was wengers last gasp attempt to go all out in style, able to do what he never has before and push out the boat. but he and the directors have fucked it up. big time.
I didn't think it would annoy us as much as it has. Maybe there was an air of smugness that you knew of this supposedly secret clause in his contract, in the way you presented your second bid.

Granted, it had been in the press, but Wenger doesn't strike me a someone who would chance his arm on something he read in the papers. I'd have thought there would have been some sort of confirmation for Suarez' camp.

Either way, something has hardened our stance dramatically. Though given JWHenry's comments that he had told Gazidis to sod off even before your first bid, I doubt even £45m would have been enough. Might not have annoyed us so much though, as you say.

[Nayan]

i think if we had come in with a £45m+ bid from the off this would of had a much better chance of happening. Instead of pissing off the selling club by trying to force their hand with some sort of internal dispute with their best player in the lead up to the start of the season.

the idea was that this was wengers last gasp attempt to go all out in style, able to do what he never has before and push out the boat. but he and the directors have fucked it up. big time.


at the very least we've managed to destabilise a rival for 4th place. I suspect this bid was never more than theatre anyway.
Meanwhile in other news - Raheem Sterling arrested for assault.

Next up- real madrid noting spurs have for spent the bale money before theyve agreed the fee, and promptly reducing the bid just to see the fuckers squeal

[fakeyank]

I have no doubt we will spend money in this transfer window... I just cant think of anyone, there's available, willing to come here and could improve our squad :s You guys reckon any?

Michu, Cesar, Fellaini, Diego Costa= a very very very good summer and costing 50-60 million quid at most!

[Özil's Panoramic View]

And if they don't, then at least we still have Alharbi El-Jadeyaoui, who can play there.

Fuck it, can't wait for the opener anyway. Beer, good company more beer, and a few sing-songs :scarf:

Wish I lived in London.:(:(

[Cripps_orig]

I do. It's not that great tbh

[Özim]

Michu, Cesar, Fellaini, Diego Costa= a very very very good summer and costing 50-60 million quid at most!
We're just waiting till all the more expensive players are sold or unavailable, once we get there we can move in on our real targets the nobodies from the French league who will cost peanuts.

The perfect summer..........for Wenger.

[Özil's Panoramic View]

I do. It's not that great tbh

Well, NY is a bit awesome, tbf. Except for the shit sports they have here, ie.

Hope to travel to London in summer of 2015.... should catch an opener then.

[Özim]

Well, NY is a bit awesome, tbf. Except for the shit sports they have here, ie.
and the bed bugs.

[Grebbo]

I didn't think it would annoy us as much as it has. Maybe there was an air of smugness that you knew of this supposedly secret clause in his contract, in the way you presented your second bid.

Granted, it had been in the press, but Wenger doesn't strike me a someone who would chance his arm on something he read in the papers. I'd have thought there would have been some sort of confirmation for Suarez' camp.

Either way, something has hardened our stance dramatically. Though given JWHenry's comments that he had told Gazidis to sod off even before your first bid, I doubt even £45m would have been enough. Might not have annoyed us so much though, as you say.

I think your lot are pissed because it's Arsenal bidding. Realistically only our Champs Lge spot is up for grabs so if you sold us Suarez you'd have no chance of getting it. I reckon selling to Chelsea or City would have been more likely.

As it's only shitty old Arsenal who never win anything and scrape 4th on the last day it probably pisses your club off that your best player is seemingly wiling to join us.

[Özil's Panoramic View]

and the bed bugs.

You cheap bastard. You really should avoid the scummy motels when next you visit.

[Letters]

I do. It's not that great tbh

Well piss off back to bongo bongo land then :angry:

[Özim]

You cheap bastard. You really should avoid the scummy motels when next you visit.
:lol:

It's not me my sister lives there, they pay a lot for a 2 bed flat out there (not cheap Manhattan isn't cheap of course), only to return from the UK this week to find bed bugs! Exterminator has been in needless to say.

Apparently the US has a lot of bed bugs from what I was reading.

[Letters]

I'm in NY next month. PM me your sister's number :good:

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[Özil's Panoramic View]

I'm in NY next month. PM me your sister's number :good:

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:lol:

:gp:

[Özim]

:lol:

[fakeyank]

I'm in NY next month. PM me your sister's number :good:

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Are you?! Work or pleasure? ##

I will be in NY for a leadership conference then!! NY sucks cock tbh.. I lived there for a long time and its overrated and yes, they have bed bugs!

[fakeyank]

:lol:

It's not me my sister lives there, they pay a lot for a 2 bed flat out there (not cheap Manhattan isn't cheap of course), only to return from the UK this week to find bed bugs! Exterminator has been in needless to say.

Apparently the US has a lot of bed bugs from what I was reading.

Only the liberal towns have bed bugs like NY, CA, FL.. the real 'Murican towns do not get such infestations! It's Jesus's way of punishing those people with liberal gay agendas.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

Well, NY is a bit awesome, tbf. Except for the shit sports they have here, ie.

Hope to travel to London in summer of 2015.... should catch an opener then.

i knew there was something wrong, bloody yank






;)

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

i did travel to new york once actually, the pizza's there, fucking huge :bow:

[Özil's Panoramic View]

Only the liberal towns have bed bugs like NY, CA, FL.. the real 'Murican towns do not get such infestations! It's Jesus's way of punishing those people with liberal gay agendas.

Jesus. :lol:

What a fraud.

[fakeyank]

i did travel to new york once actually, the pizza's there, fucking huge :bow:

NY has thin crust pizzas, which tbh is gay! Chicago is where its really at.. they have deep dish pizzas and they are huge and awesome..

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

i was also offered weed as i was sat eating in a KFC with my family in a run-down area of manhatten. fuck me never been so scared in my life walking through some of those streets.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

NY has thin crust pizzas, which tbh is gay! Chicago is where its really at.. they have deep dish pizzas and they are huge and awesome..

yes i must make a trip back there soon. ive heard good things about chicago, there's places i want to visit to eat after watching plenty of man vs food!

[Shaqiri Is Boss]

yes i must make a trip back there soon. ive heard good things about chicago, there's places i want to visit to eat after watching plenty of man vs food!
:lol:

I won't lie, that'd probably be the way I'd plan an American trip.

[Özil's Panoramic View]

i knew there was something wrong, bloody yank






;)

'Fakeyank', tbh. Only migrated here 2 years now.

I man iz really a yaard man - a place where you can find considerable amount of passionate Gooners.

[Marc Overmars]

America. :bow:

[Özil's Panoramic View]

i was also offered weed as i was sat eating in a KFC with my family in a run-down area of manhatten. fuck me never been so scared in my life walking through some of those streets.

You really don't want to consider Fakeyank's invite to Chicago then.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

'Fakeyank', tbh. Only migrated here 2 years now.

I man iz really a yaard man - a place where you can find considerable amount of passionate Gooners.

why did you move? if you don't mind me asking

[Özil's Panoramic View]

why did you move? if you don't mind me asking

US is basically where all my family now reside.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

US is basically where all my family now reside.

:lol: bollocks! you were scared of the sharia law takeover!


cripps :bow:

[fakeyank]

yes i must make a trip back there soon. ive heard good things about chicago, there's places i want to visit to eat after watching plenty of man vs food!

I used to watch MVF too.. till I found out that Adam Richman was a jew and a spurs supporter!

[Niall_Quinn]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/liverpool/10229742/Buyer-beware-whoever-signs-Liverpool-want-away-striker-Luis-Suarez-is-getting-a-toxic-cheat.html

Any player who can make the ultra hypocrite Henry Winter foam in public like this can't be entirely bad.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Suarez is Satan.

[Niall_Quinn]

Suarez is Satan.

Plus he's not English of course.

[Grebbo]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/liverpool/10229742/Buyer-beware-whoever-signs-Liverpool-want-away-striker-Luis-Suarez-is-getting-a-toxic-cheat.html

Any player who can make the ultra hypocrite Henry Winter foam in public like this can't be entirely bad.

It's funny how all the journalists think Suarez is scum and we're scum for trying to buy him but Liverpool, the club who have 'stood by' this racist scumbag and are desperate to keep the cunt, are being screwed over.

People are so fucking dumb.

[Shaqiri Is Boss]

It's funny how all the journalists think Suarez is scum and we're scum for trying to buy him but Liverpool, the club who have 'stood by' this racist scumbag and are desperate to keep the cunt, are being screwed over.

People are so fucking dumb.

It's not like the club, and those in charge, haven't had their fair share of articles condemning them for standing by him.

The press will have a go at anyone to ensure their moral superiority.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Plus he's not English of course.

He didn't win the lottery when he was born.

I thought education on racism was something to be aspired towards though? Unless they think we're going to give him a crash course in how really to be racist.

[Niall_Quinn]

Everyone knows Suarez killed six million jews during the war and sunk to even lower levels by saying a word on a football pitch. Even the British prime minister, sainted dave, condemned him. Now Suarez is at it again. The vile creature is selling war planes to filty criminal regimes in the mid east. What scum, can't believe we're considering signing this fuck. Next we'll be voting him in as PM.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/industry/defence/10233673/Britain-to-sell-Typhoon-jets-to-Bahrain-despite-human-rights-record.html

[Letters]

Are you?! Work or pleasure? ##
I'm going with MrsL so both <_<


If you're around towards the end of the month then let me know. It's our anniversary on the 29th and I know she'd love to spend it with random people she doesn't know.

[Grebbo]

It's not like the club, and those in charge, haven't had their fair share of articles condemning them for standing by him.

But all this 'standing by him' drivel is such bullshit. He's your best player by a country mile, without him you're significantly worse off. You're not standing by him - you just don't want to lose your best player.

If a reserve team player bit someone and got suspended for racist language Liverpool FC would have dumped him in a second and trotted out the line 'LFC are a proud club of the community with family values and class and don't tolerate this sort of behaviour blah blah blah'

It's all nonsense.

[Niall_Quinn]

He didn't win the lottery when he was born.

I thought education on racism was something to be aspired towards though? Unless they think we're going to give him a crash course in how really to be racist.

The consummate racism of our media heroes can't just be learned, it's a gift they are born with. Suarez's grubby and unsophisticated mimicry is bound to piss them off.

[Shaqiri Is Boss]

But all this 'standing by him' drivel is such bullshit. He's your best player by a country mile, without him you're significantly worse off. You're not standing by him - you just don't want to lose your best player.

If a reserve team player bit someone and got suspended for racist language Liverpool FC would have dumped him in a second and trotted out the line 'LFC are a proud club of the community with family values and class and don't tolerate this sort of behaviour blah blah blah'

It's all nonsense.

Of course, and we got utterly destroyed in the press for doing so.

I'm not going to argue that the press aren't hypocritical, moralistic bastards, but the idea that we have somehow got off scot-free and with our reputation intact is wrong. The media change their targets based on a whim and they'll change their opinions even quicker; we've already been hauled over hot coals for "standing by" Suarez, that issue has come and gone. So far as they're concerned our defence is trying to keep hold of a player under contract and in that sense we probably do have some support. And it'll be support from exactly the same people who destroyed us yesterday and would destroy us tomorrow given half the chance. That's how it works. If you did sign Suarez, the same people acting with indignity now would be in your corner when he tried to force a move away.

[Niall_Quinn]

Of course, and we got utterly destroyed in the press for doing so.

I'm not going to argue that the press aren't hypocritical, moralistic bastards, but the idea that we have somehow got off scot-free and with our reputation intact is wrong. The media change their targets based on a whim and they'll change their opinions even quicker; we've already been hauled over hot coals for "standing by" Suarez, that issue has come and gone. So far as they're concerned our defence is trying to keep hold of a player under contract and in that sense we probably do have some support. And it'll be support from exactly the same people who destroyed us yesterday and would destroy us tomorrow given half the chance. That's how it works. If you did sign Suarez, the same people acting with indignity now would be in your corner when he tried to force a move away.

If they set one foot in my corner I'd smash their skull with bricks.

[fakeyank]

I'm going with MrsL so both <_<


If you're around towards the end of the month then let me know. It's our anniversary on the 29th and I know she'd love to spend it with random people she doesn't know.

:lol:

Arent you bringing her out for the Villa game? I wanted to meet and greet her ##

[Kano]

I didn't think it would annoy us as much as it has. Maybe there was an air of smugness that you knew of this supposedly secret clause in his contract, in the way you presented your second bid.

Granted, it had been in the press, but Wenger doesn't strike me a someone who would chance his arm on something he read in the papers. I'd have thought there would have been some sort of confirmation for Suarez' camp.

Either way, something has hardened our stance dramatically. Though given JWHenry's comments that he had told Gazidis to sod off even before your first bid, I doubt even £45m would have been enough. Might not have annoyed us so much though, as you say.
I'm not surprised at all by the reaction. At first it was 'what are they smoking?', quite light hearted and mocking the extra pound bid no doubt. But our idea seemed to be, let's trigger a clause, sit back and let the player squirm his way out with a lot of grief. Hassle free. No negotiation needed and trying to get one of the best players in this league on the cheap. 40m isn't cheap of course but in the grander scheme of things, it's cheap. You don't get players like this without breaking some sort of transfer record. So you are spot on to say 45m isn't enough but it's a start point to get the selling club engaged that you are going to buy one of their players in a serious manner. You can't lowball a transfer like this. Go big or go home with nothing.


@nayan - I'm not so sure myself. Are they really a 4th place rival? It's like the title, every summer it's 'four teams can win the title' but its always between two. Arsenal and Tottenham will finish 4th or 5th again. Liverpool have a way to go yet to claw back as serious CL qualifiers. I understand why the club see us as rivals because you have to give out the right rhetoric and believe it to a certain extent to have a goal to achieve but apart from being traditional rivals, that's it.

But I agree, none of this was probably serious and it's the perfect excuse to deflect blame when the fans continue to turn on the club.

[Xhaka Can’t]

Wenger's stubbornness and arrogance plus Ivan's incompetence.

What a combo.

And no-one will be held accountable.

[Niall_Quinn]

And no-one will be held accountable.

Yes, PSG will be blamed and Wenger will say nasty things about them in his book.

[Gooner23]

And no-one will be held accountable.

The more transfers we fuck up, the more you realise just how out of his depth IG is. Great public speaker, but that's literally as far as it goes.

As for Wenger, I'm gutted someone I had the utmost respect for is failing the club so badly.

Of course there's still some time left, but I'm not hopeful. Bad times.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

WUMger:
Wenger faced questions about the issue when Arsenal landed in Helsinki this afternoon ahead of Saturday’s pre-season friendly against Manchester City.

Asked if Henry’s statement will make him abandon his pursuit of Suarez, the Arsenal boss said: ‘No because we are in the middle of the transfer period and we are looking at possibilities to strengthen our squad.

‘I didn’t read his statements but that’s how it will work or not work. We’ll be faithful to the way we want to behave.

‘I’ve nothing to add to what I said already about the transfer of Suarez. If it will be done, it will be done in a respectful way with Liverpool.

‘To make a transfer happen you need the agreement of three parties – the buyer, the seller and the player. We know we want to do.

‘Liverpool at the moment do not agree. Whether they change their mind or not we don’t know. We’ll respect that.

‘Suarez is one of the targets. If he’s not for sale, he’s not for sale we have to accept that.’

Suarez has publicly called on Liverpool to let him leave so he can play Champions League football this season, bringing an angry response from manager Brendan Rodgers.

Asked if it was feasible for Liverpool to keep a player who is so clearly unhappy at Anfield, Wenger added: ‘That’s not for me to asses that. I don’t know the relations between the player and the club.

‘Every situation is different. I was in that situation with Robin van Persie last year but Van Persie had a one-year contract so the situation was a bit different. Every club has its own way to deal with things. We have our own way and we respect that all the other clubs.’ [...]



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2388175/Arsenal-hope-sign-Luis-Suarez-Liverpool-says-Arsene-Wenger.html

[GP]

They keep trying to goad him into saying something disrespectful but he never, ever, falls into the trap.

What a man.