Luis Suarez thread

[Grebbo]

It's on!

:haha:

[McNamara That Ghost...]

I wonder if he did actually say 'asses'.

[Grebbo]

Those scousers must be getting angrier and angrier with Wenger

:haha:

[GP]

We don't talk about love we only want to get drunk
And we are not allowed to spend
As we are told that this is the end

[Kano]

I wonder if he did actually say 'asses'.

probably. he did swear a couple years ago in a post game conference about a tackle on fabregas.

[Ollie the Optimist]

Rodgers - Luis is training on his own and he understands totally where we're coming from

yeah im sure he does Brendan :lol:

[Özim]

Those scousers must be getting angrier and angrier with Wenger

:haha:
Can't blame them he acts like a complete tool half the time!

[Ollie the Optimist]

Wenger has done nothing wrong in the pursuit of suarez. he hasnt insulted liverpool, he hasnt tapped up the player in public, he hasnt talked about suarez everyday.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Can't blame them he acts like a complete tool half the time!

Come on Zim, this is getting tiresome.

[Özim]

Come on Zim, this is getting tiresome.
Why? It's true I can't stand the bloke, he's always player the holier than thou card and BS...what is honourable about that? Nothing in my book.

Is it any surprise people don't like him?

Why are people surprised Liverpool are angry with him?

[Ollie the Optimist]

bet you loved him ten years ago when he was winning another league title, this time unbeaten :lol:

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Why? It's true I can't stand the bloke, he's always player the holier than thou card and BS...what is honourable about that? Nothing in my book.

Is it any surprise people don't like him?

You post about it everywhere, all the time - even when it isn't relevant. If you actually want to debate what he has to say then do so, otherwise, it just seems as though you're trying to rile people.

[Özim]

Wenger has done nothing wrong in the pursuit of suarez. he hasnt insulted liverpool, he hasnt tapped up the player in public, he hasnt talked about suarez everyday.

Well he knew about the clause somehow, so someone's been talking behind Liverpools back. They've also said he's not for sale and they won't sell him to Arsenal and yet he still claims something is going on.

[Özim]

You post about it everywhere, all the time - even when it isn't relevant. If you actually want to debate what he has to say then do so, otherwise, it just seems as though you're trying to rile people.
It was a response to Liverpool getting angrier and angrier with him, in this scenario it's relevant.

Liverpool have said he's not available and that they won't sell to us anyway and yet he still continues to insinuate we're still after him. Is it any surprise they're getting annoyed with him?

[McNamara That Ghost...]

It was a response to Liverpool getting angrier and angrier with him, in this scenario it's relevant.

Liverpool have said he's not available and that they won't sell to us anyway and yet he still continues to insinuate we're still after him. Is it any surprise they're getting annoyed with him?

Given they expected us to make another bid, no.

[Ollie the Optimist]

Well he knew about the clause somehow, so someone's been talking behind Liverpools back. They've also said he's not for sale and they won't sell him to Arsenal and yet he still claims something is going on.

the papers reported about the clause when he signed the new deal. the fans knew about it from the press so its safe to say that wenger could have found out about it via. the club run that pissing media watch everyday, im sure it might ahve cropped up there when reading the papers.

with liverpool releasing daily updates on suarez, its quite clear something is going on. wenger just asked a question. last year he said RVP wasnt for sale, did that stop united? no. or is that situation very different and therefore acceptable for united to ignore us?

[Özim]

Given they expected us to make another bid, no.
The bid won't achieve anything, he won't be sold to us.

It will just p*ss Liverpool off more. It's like a girl telling you she's a lesbian and you saying "we'll see".

[LDG]

The bid won't achieve anything, he won't be sold to us.

It will just p*ss Liverpool off more. It's like a girl telling you she's a lesbian and you saying "we'll see".

You know she isn't really rite?

[Özim]

the papers reported about the clause when he signed the new deal. the fans knew about it from the press so its safe to say that wenger could have found out about it via. the club run that pissing media watch everyday, im sure it might ahve cropped up there when reading the papers.

with liverpool releasing daily updates on suarez, its quite clear something is going on. wenger just asked a question. last year he said RVP wasnt for sale, did that stop united? no. or is that situation very different and therefore acceptable for united to ignore us?
Come on you don't really think we relied on media BS do you? Most of the stuff in the media it made up.

We need to give it up, this is NEVER going to happen. RVP was different, for a start we didn't say we wouldn't sell to Man U, his contract was running down and we were unwilling to offer him more money as well so we weren't adamant we were going to keep him.

He's not coming, really.

[Niall_Quinn]

Given they expected us to make another bid, no.

What they don't know is the next bid is £15mill

[Niall_Quinn]

the papers reported about the clause when he signed the new deal. the fans knew about it from the press so its safe to say that wenger could have found out about it via. the club run that pissing media watch everyday, im sure it might ahve cropped up there when reading the papers.

with liverpool releasing daily updates on suarez, its quite clear something is going on. wenger just asked a question. last year he said RVP wasnt for sale, did that stop united? no. or is that situation very different and therefore acceptable for united to ignore us?

Well you'd have to hope we'd do a little more legwork than scanning the sun to see if it was worth starting up this saga. Tea leaves at the very least.

[Özim]

You know she isn't really rite?
I told her it's Ok I like lesbians.

[LDG]

What they don't know is the next bid is £15mill

What would be properly awesome is if we went for the £39,999,999.99

[LDG]

I told her it's Ok I like lesbians.

So men then?

[Özim]

So men then?
No only the fit lesbians.

[LDG]

No only the fit lesbians.

Fatima Whitbread :bow:

[Niall_Quinn]

Fatima Whitbread :bow:

Nasri

[Özim]

Fatima Whitbread :bow:
No that's a bloke.

[LDG]

Nasri

Lauren Harries

[Shaqiri Is Boss]

Lauren Harries

:haha:

Spat out my milk.

Sitting in on a friday night drinking milk. What the fuck am I doing with myself?

[McNamara That Ghost...]

The bid won't achieve anything, he won't be sold to us.

It will just p*ss Liverpool off more. It's like a girl telling you she's a lesbian and you saying "we'll see".

I don't seriously believe that Liverpool would not sell him ie make a business decision based on emotion. We're talking about an American businessmen, billionaire in fact and an asset.

It's more likely they won't sell him to us because of the pragmatic idea that you don't sell to direct teams in the league but they and Rodgers have to weigh up whether that occuring with at least the possibility of being able to replace him is greater than keeping him and getting little to no performances out of him.

It won't be because we bid a £1 over 40 million. We still have to offer them in the region of £50 million though, just give them the decision to make and it's a no this time then leave it I guess.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

:haha:

Spat out my milk.

Sitting in on a friday night drinking milk. What the fuck am I doing with myself?

Sitting in on a friday night drinking milk. What a shit quiz!

[Master Splinter]

What the fuck am I doing with myself?

Rather not know tbf. :sick:

[GP]

I like milk.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Semi-skimmed. :bow:

100 pages for a transfer thread. :bow:

[Özim]

I don't seriously believe that Liverpool would not sell him ie make a business decision based on emotion. We're talking about an American businessmen, billionaire in fact and an asset.

It's more likely they won't sell him to us because of the pragmatic idea that you don't sell to direct teams in the league but they and Rodgers have to weigh up whether that occuring with at least the possibility of being able to replace him is greater than keeping him and getting little to no performances out of him.

It won't be because we bid a £1 over 40 million. We still have to offer them in the region of £50 million though, just give them the decision to make and it's a no this time then leave it I guess.

Well they probably won't be able to find a replacement however abroad they might consider but not to us as it would affect their top 4 chances by strenghtening us on top of weakening them.

In addition we've p*ssed them off with our behaviour (the £1 bid is patronising a more normal bid might have heeded a different reaction).

Whatever happens we won't get him, we've made sure of that.

[LDG]

Massive moth fluttering around my living room.

Gonna kill the fucker.

[Munchies]

Semi-skimmed. :bow:

100 pages for a transfer thread. :bow:

What happened to D&Chicks ? :lol:

[GP]

Massive moth fluttering around my living room.

Gonna kill the fucker.

Deodorant can and a lighter.

Do it do it do it do it

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Well they probably won't be able to find a replacement however abroad they might consider but not to us as it would affect their top 4 chances by strenghtening us on top of weakening them.

In addition we've p*ssed them off with our behaviour (the £1 bid is patronising a more normal bid might have heeded a different reaction).

Whatever happens we won't get him, we've made sure of that.

They will be able to at least identify players, they wouldn't have bid for Diego Costa if they hadn't already thought of other players to buy - so again, I doubt the validity of that also.

It may have pissed them off initially but it's not going to preclude them for eventually doing what is best for the club, whatever that might be.

And so you keep saying but that is just opinion, so not much to debate there.

[Munchies]

Massive moth fluttering around my living room.

Gonna kill the fucker.

My cat eats any she sees lol

[McNamara That Ghost...]

What happened to D&Chicks ? :lol:

GB killed him. In forum speak, that is.

[LDG]

Deodorant can and a lighter.

Do it do it do it do it

Did that to a fly once.

Burnt its wings off, and watched it walk around on the floor for a bit.

So, I'm a sick fuck!?

At least I'm not racist.

[Özim]

They will be able to at least identify players, they wouldn't have bid for Diego Costa if they hadn't already thought of other players to buy - so again, I doubt the validity of that also.

It may have pissed them off initially but it's not going to preclude them for eventually doing what is best for the club, whatever that might be.

And so you keep saying but that is just opinion, so not much to debate there.

No offence but Costa is sh*t and not a replacement for Suarez in any form.

I think it will, you can tell from the comments made, sometimes you p*ss someone off so much that out of principle they don't want to do business with you, this is an example, there's zero chance he's coming to Arsenal and that's being optimistic.

As I said they'd be affecting their top 4 chances (that's money in the bank), we're well short of their valuation and they're adamant they won't sell to us, so it's not my opinion it's theirs.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

No offence but Costa is sh*t and not a replacement for Suarez in any form.

I think it will, you can tell from the comments made, sometimes you p*ss someone off so much that out of principle they don't want to do business with you, this is an example, there's zero chance he's coming to Arsenal and that's being optimistic.

As I said they'd be affecting their top 4 chances (that's money in the bank), we're well short of their valuation and they're adamant they won't sell to us, so it's not my opinion it's theirs.

I don't see how that's relevant. They're the club that are bidding for him, not you.

Business and principles? They are not common bedfellows, not for money of this amount, or the amount of money I would bid anyway.

Their top four chances are going to be effected anyway, potentially. That's why I am saying they have to weigh up what is best for not but also, they don't have to think about that so long as there isn't another bid - that I concede.

[BlindFaith_8]

So Big Bad John W Henry is going to let his most prize asset, rot in the reserves on a wage of £150K, real smart! His value will depreciate and you have a unhappy player spreading his negativity in throughout the club. Why not do the sensible thing and atleast sell him to the highest bidder. Shit we e have sold our best players to rival clubs for so many years. He thinks this is American sports and until these americans grasp the idea of player power/revolt, they will just ruin the game. I would rather sell a player who doesn't want to wear the shirt. You have almost 3 weeks to find a replacement. And as for that **** rodgers, he talks about loyality, he's the same knobhead who left watford after 5 mins to join reading. Who the fcuk is he to play the moral ground. Just sell the damn player to us or Madrid, same shit for Rooney and Bale. What's this crap from a man ure supporter sticking his 2 pence in, saying why should liverbore sell to a rival club, how the fcuk was it okay for you to nick our best player and striker in europe, who won you the league on his own. What a twat.

[Özim]

I don't see how that's relevant. They're the club that are bidding for him, not you.

Business and principles? They are not common bedfellows, not for money of this amount anyway, or the amount of money I would bid anyway.

Their top four chances are going to be effected anyway, potentially. That's why I am saying they have to weigh up what is best for not but also, they don't have to think about that so long as there isn't another bid - that I concede.

If they have bid and if he is a replacement for Suarez as you say, he might just be an addition.

When you're loaded sometimes money doesn't matter that much, if you can afford it standing your ground works better, they can always sell him next summer or to Real.

Not as much as if they sold him to one of their top 4 rivals, if they sold him to us effectively they'd be losing him and strengthening us (a double whammy) and making it even harder to get top 4 and thus the cash cow that comes with it.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

If they have bid and if he is a replacement for Suarez as you say, he might just be an addition.

When you're loaded sometimes money doesn't matter that much, if you can afford it standing your ground works better, they can always sell him next summer or to Real.

Not as much as if they sold him to one of their top 4 rivals, if they sold him to us effectively they'd be losing him and strengthening us (a double whammy) and making it even harder to get top 4 and thus the cash cow that comes with it.

They'd have Diego Costa, Suarez, Sturridge, Aspas and Borini. :lol: I think it's safe to say this bid might have been in preparation of Suarez leaving. Plus, those two nutters in the same side is only going to end in tears.

He is loaded but Liverpool are not - after all, as he points out, they are not even in Europe this season so that's a decent amount of income lost against other sides to begin with.

That is the logical downside, no doubt but Liverpool have to what is best for them in terms of gaining points, not neccesarily think about us, if it's going to otherwise impinge on themselves. Also, they, unlike us for the players we sold will be heavily compensated financially for the loss - it might be too late for this month (I don't think it is) but it's also money that they have available for future windows too. Liverpool have to build their squad up before they're going to get 70+ points, realistically, no club ever jumps from 7th to 4th.

[Grebbo]

Makes sense that Liverpoool tried to get Costa as a replacement for Suarez but can't get him. Liverpool's owner then releases that statement.

[Maestro]

Gettin' fucking embarrassing, just close the damn thread FFS!

[Cripps_orig]

At what point did Arsenal think they could get Luis Suarez just by making an offer of £40,000,001? Liverpool may not be as great as they used to be but they are no longer run by idiots. This is a club that sold a striker for £50,000,000 in the last few years, so why would anyone think they would agree to a clause allowing a striker to leave as soon as a bid of less than that comes in? It is ludicrous.

The only logic suggests that someone told Arsene Wenger or Ivan Gazidis about the so-called clause and they believed it. Perhaps a little thinking through might have stopped them making fools of themselves. Even I worked it out.

One Arsenal mate of mine suggested it was done to de-stabilise Suarez. If so, what are Arsenal scared of Liverpool for? This week Wenger said he’s “ready to spend.” Why hasn’t he been ready all summer? What is he waiting for?

It seems the Gunners put a lot of effort into this Suarez bid and then got mugged off.

What’s Wenger’s plan B? Nicklas Bendtner? Meantime, where’s the new 'keeper? The new centre-half? A midfielder? There is a week to go until the season kicks off and Wenger is sitting on a fortune.

At least no star players left this summer. Probably because they don’t have them anymore.


Read more at http://talksport.com/football/arsenal-are-ludicrous-lfc-arent-run-idiots-and-more-durham-views-13080954893#AfwIBBPbPSFI603Q.99

He may be a dick but he's spot on here

[Niall_Quinn]

At what point did we think we'd get Suarez for £40mill plus a quid? At no point, which was the whole point.

[WMUG]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/23641220

This is how we should've dealt with RvP.

[Xhaka Can’t]

I agree that we would have been better off making RvP see out his contract, but this is different given the length of time Suarez has left on his. Liverpool's hand is much stronger than ours was last year.

If we had made RvP see out his contract, he would surely have signed a new deal once he saw the enormous warchest we now have aligned to our well developed transfer strategy.

[Boss]

40M is a fair bid for Suarez, hardly laughable as Liverpool are claiming. He's a troublemaker, will miss the first 6 games of the season and actively wants to leave them, so a bid around 10M less than Cavani (who was more prolific last season) is fair enough.

They're posturing in the press to increase the fee, they will sell if we raise our bid. Henry said something similar before Torres left. It's never good to keep a player that is unhappy as it will probably show in their performances, which is why we were right to sell RVP and Liverpool will sell Suarez if they're intelligent enough (although given their signings so far this season I doubt this...)

[JonasTC]

If they were smart, they would sell him and get a new striker in like jackson martinez, who can actually play the first 6 games... They cant score goals without suarez, so apparently they have no plan for the first 6 games.

[Özim]

If they were smart, they would sell him and get a new striker in like jackson martinez, who can actually play the first 6 games... They cant score goals without suarez, so apparently they have no plan for the first 6 games.
and what would we have if we signed if for the first 6 games?

As for selling, they're in a strong postion as mentioned, he's got plenty of time on his contract and it's World Cup year, he'll play when he doesn't get his move, nothing smart about letting mercernary players walk all over you and do as they wish, the more clubs that do this the more these players will realise they can't just walk away when they feel like it.

[I_Killed_Kenny]

If they were smart, they would sell him and get a new striker in like jackson martinez, who can actually play the first 6 games... They cant score goals without suarez, so apparently they have no plan for the first 6 games.

If we were smart we should buy jackson martinez who can actually play in the 1st 6 games. Plus we can have change left over

[Özim]

40M is a fair bid for Suarez, hardly laughable as Liverpool are claiming. He's a troublemaker, will miss the first 6 games of the season and actively wants to leave them, so a bid around 10M less than Cavani (who was more prolific last season) is fair enough.

They're posturing in the press to increase the fee, they will sell if we raise our bid. Henry said something similar before Torres left. It's never good to keep a player that is unhappy as it will probably show in their performances, which is why we were right to sell RVP and Liverpool will sell Suarez if they're intelligent enough (although given their signings so far this season I doubt this...)

I'm pretty convinced they won't sell, or at least not to us, it would really hurt their CL chances strengthening a rival and weakening themselves.

This transfer is dead.

[Özim]

If we were smart we should buy jackson martinez who can actually play in the 1st 6 games. Plus we can have change left over

:goodpost: :lol:

[Xhaka Can’t]

If we were smart we should buy jackson martinez who can actually play in the 1st 6 games. Plus we can have change left over

Don't be stupid.

That would involve spending actual money on a transfer.

Sheesh, some people.

[I_Killed_Kenny]

Don't be stupid.

That would involve spending actual money on a transfer.

Sheesh, some people.

Doh! Forgot i supported arsenal!

[Xhaka Can’t]

Doh! Forgot i supported arsenal!

:lol: I wish I could!

[ENSKIED]

Massive moth fluttering around my living room.

Gonna kill the fucker.

Nice concept of irony in that, killing it in the "living" room.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

I'm pretty convinced they won't sell, or at least not to us, it would really hurt their CL chances strengthening a rival and weakening themselves.

This transfer is dead.

What Champions League chances?

Even with Suarez they have no chance of getting top four, this is a side who have spent the summer buying strikers who play for B Sides in Spain and have a midfield that's actually worse than ours (almost hard to imagine). They have replaced Jamie Carragher with the only player whose probably got less pace than him now in Kolo Toure...to imagine that Liverpool will make the top four is the same kind of wooly thinking applied where people believe United have any chance of winning the title because they are the current champions.
Ferguson was to United like Wenger is to us, dithering clown he might be but there are few other managers who could get our joke of a side into the top ten let alone the top four....and Moyes hasn't the ability to get an average United side to perform or bring in star quality to bolster his ranks.

[Marc Overmars]

It doesn't matter what you perceive their top 4 chances to be, that's their goal and strengthening the team they most likely need to usurp is not an option they'd like to take.

[Cripps_orig]

Any chance we can give them Wenger?

He has a habit of selling his best players to the clubs we are trying to reach

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

It doesn't matter what you perceive their top 4 chances to be, that's their goal and strengthening the team they most likely need to usurp is not an option they'd like to take.

Oh no i completley understand their position and respect it, i was just making the point that it's nonsense to think they will be in contention for top four.

[Shaqiri Is Boss]

Oh no i completley understand their position and respect it, i was just making the point that it's nonsense to think they will be in contention for top four.
I wouldn't say nonsense.

Just extremely unlikely.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Personally i think this should have run it's course ages ago, i think we need to be scouring Europe for the best players possible to improve our squad (and i don't believe we have done that in any kind of meaningful way). We should be doing to Anzhi Throatclear what we did to Malaga last summer by indulging them in their fire sale...Willian, Ahmedov, (even Lassana Diarra ffs).
We need bite in midfield but we also need creativity for me arguably more than we need a striker, plus we need defensive cover....goalkeeper don't care about i am happy with Szczesny.
I would also be trying to make forays into Serie A, it strikes me that we are looking for someone who can play wide and support the lone striker rather than an out and out forward (which makes me believe that's the reason as well as transfer price that we lost interest in Higuain)....i fancy a bid of 25-30m for El-Sharaawy would make Milan seriously consider....and then take a look at Paul Pogba who for me looks like the closest thing there is to being the new Patrick Vieira (other than Yaya Toure of course and we all knew what happened there).

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

I wouldn't say nonsense.

Just extremely unlikely.

I stick with my original statement....your chances of making top four are about the same as Everton's

[JonasTC]

If we were smart we should buy jackson martinez who can actually play in the 1st 6 games. Plus we can have change left over

The thing is i think Giroud is good enough, him and martinez are probably same level, so no need to have 2 of those, we need a striker from the top shelf :)

[Shaqiri Is Boss]

I stick with my original statement....your chances of making top four are about the same as Everton's

Regardless, it's made much harder without Suarez. And if we have any ambition at all that means keeping our best players.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Regardless, it's made much harder without Suarez. And if we have any ambition at all that means keeping our best players.

As I say i think Liverpool are doing absolutely the right thing, they have him tied down to a long term contract and i think he will be the one who backs down....

[I_Killed_Kenny]

The thing is i think Giroud is good enough, him and martinez are probably same level, so no need to have 2 of those, we need a striker from the top shelf :)

Not many left mate thats the problem. We will end up with darren bent

[Özim]

Regardless, it's made much harder without Suarez. And if we have any ambition at all that means keeping our best players.
Exactly my point and selling him to one of the teams rivalling you for 4th place will make it even harder.

It's fair to say if he does leave it won't be to us (though I don't think he will leave either).

[Özim]

The thing is i think Giroud is good enough, him and martinez are probably same level, so no need to have 2 of those, we need a striker from the top shelf :)

One that isn't going to miss the first 6 games, isn't being banned every 5 minutes and doesn't think it's OK to walk away as soon as he feels like it regardless of his contract or how long he's been there.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Exactly my point and selling him to one of the teams rivalling you for 4th place will make it even harder.

It's fair to say if he does leave it won't be to us (though I don't think he will leave either).

Again sorry to be pedantic but Rivals for 4th place would suggest Liverpool have a chance of getting 4th they don't

I agree with the stance they are taking over Suarez, and to be honest with the sheer averageness of their squad and their manager without Suarez they could flirt with relegation....that's why it's important they hang onto him and they recognise that.

[Shaqiri Is Boss]

Again sorry to be pedantic but Rivals for 4th place would suggest Liverpool have a chance of getting 4th they don't

I agree with the stance they are taking over Suarez, and to be honest with the sheer averageness of their squad and their manager without Suarez they could flirt with relegation....that's why it's important they hang onto him and they recognise that.

Now you're just being silly.

[Özim]

Again sorry to be pedantic but Rivals for 4th place would suggest Liverpool have a chance of getting 4th they don't

I agree with the stance they are taking over Suarez, and to be honest with the sheer averageness of their squad and their manager without Suarez they could flirt with relegation....that's why it's important they hang onto him and they recognise that.
The point is they clearly think they do (they've pretty said as much) and that's what matters here, not whether they realistically have a chance or not.

Let's be honest here, have you seen our squad, it's pretty weak looking as well, there's not much quality in there either.

I agree, it's great to see a player being forced to stay when he just thinks he can kick up a fuss to get his move.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Now you're just being silly.

No that's my honest opinion....players like Henderson, Allen, Downing, Sturridge are all mid-table players and that's at best...and plenty of mid-table sides can struggle with form and get dragged into a dog fight.

Don't get me wrong Arteta is a mid-table player and Ramsey is a League Two player but in Cazorla we have genuine quality, and Wilshere has potential (although to be honest i can see him becoming rubbish, very few players come back from the length of time he has spent injured and go on to succeed). But Wenger as tactically naive, stubborn and infuriating as he is is a ten fold better manager than Brendan Rodgers.

[Özim]

No that's my honest opinion....players like Henderson, Allen, Downing, Sturridge are all mid-table players and that's at best...and plenty of mid-table sides can struggle with form and get dragged into a dog fight.

Don't get me wrong Arteta is a mid-table player and Ramsey is a League Two player but in Cazorla we have genuine quality, and Wilshere has potential (although to be honest i can see him becoming rubbish, very few players come back from the length of time he has spent injured and go on to succeed). But Wenger as tactically naive, stubborn and infuriating as he is is a ten fold better manager than Brendan Rodgers.

Coutinho is excellent, they also have Gerrard, Mignolet, Agger so they have at least some quality in there when you add Suarez into it, we also don't know how good their new signings are.

Sterling has potential too.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Coutinho is ok....but he's more of a luxury player...not going to win you games on his own

Gerrard has been past it for years.....

Mignolet is at about the same level as Begovic and Stoke can be considered a team that may well flirt with relegation this season.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Just realised Suarez would only miss four of our league games. :lol:

Sign him up, Arsene (after Aug 27/28)!

[JonasTC]

Will you stop complaining about our squad? We had the 2. best defence last season, the 2 best wingers (statistically) and one of the best players in the league (cazorla), add players like chamberlain and wilshere to that and you need to stop saying we got a shit squad.... Even Giroud will probably improve alot this year.

[Cripps_orig]

Our squad is adequate. Won't win a thing with it but won't go down either.

If Arsenal were a football player, we'd be Arteta.

The spine of our team, the 4 players that our team and squad should be built around is as bad as it gets though and that's the problem.

Szeszny is a terrible keeper
Kos is known as mr 10 games for a reason
Arteta :haha:
Giroud isn't that good either.

Replace those 4 with genuine world class players, add the adequate squad around them and we're winning the title

[AKBapologist]

Our squad is shit. It's unbelievably small and devoid of consistent performers. Injuries to Walcott, arteta and Chesney and we're royally fucked

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[Özim]

Will you stop complaining about our squad? We had the 2. best defence last season, the 2 best wingers (statistically) and one of the best players in the league (cazorla), add players like chamberlain and wilshere to that and you need to stop saying we got a shit squad.... Even Giroud will probably improve alot this year.
Are you for real, our squad is not much good, we have a handful of decent players and yes we went on a little run at the end of the season I expect that to be a blip though I've seen this all before.

Cazorla is very good I'll give you that but this is the worst Arsenal team I've seen in years and we have zero chance of winning anything.

[Özim]

Coutinho is ok....but he's more of a luxury player...not going to win you games on his own

Gerrard has been past it for years.....

Mignolet is at about the same level as Begovic and Stoke can be considered a team that may well flirt with relegation this season.
Coutinho looks excellent to me and will probably win them plenty of games when he's performing.

Gerrard isn't at his best anymore but he's still a key player for them.

Keepers save you point but they can't carry a whole team, Mignolet is excellent, we have Chesney and he's very error prone and yet didn't you say you were happy with him despite his poor performances last season?

[Niall_Quinn]

Our squad is shit. It's unbelievably small and devoid of consistent performers. Injuries to Walcott, arteta and Chesney and we're royally fucked

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That's right, we have a whole season ahead of us saying "when so and so is back it will be better". Unless there's some miracle spree in the next three weeks we are nowhere for the coming season.

[Niall_Quinn]

Coutinho - you just have to watch the guy for 5 mins to see he's proper quality. He'll be one of the players of the season.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Coutinho looks excellent to me and will probably win them plenty of games when he's performing.

Gerrard isn't at his best anymore but he's still a key player for them.

Keepers save you point but they can't carry a whole team, Mignolet is excellent, we have Chesney and he's very error prone and yet didn't you say you were happy with him despite his poor performances last season?

Yes i was....i think you compare him to someone like Joe Hart who fucked up on countless times and still considered a world class keeper, where as Szczesny gets dropped and was pretty faultless on his return yet still gets villifed.
Our squad is dreadful you take Koscielny, Cazorla and Walcott out of the side we would be in relegation trouble.

[JonasTC]

If you took RVP, Rooney and Carrick out, Man Utd would be a shit team aswell... They still managed to win the title, so where are you going this? If you take 3 key players out of any squad, they'll be in trouble.

[AKBapologist]

That's right, we have a whole season ahead of us saying "when so and so is back it will be better". Unless there's some miracle spree in the next three weeks we are nowhere for the coming season.

I don't think people understand. There will be no rotation. No rest. With chaps league providing 2 games a week, a squad this small would be lucky to finish in the top half of the table - IT'S THAT BAD.

If September 2nd comes with out signings, supporters should class action sue the club for gross negligence or instruct the FA to investigate Arsene on suspicion of corruption.

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[Özim]

If you took RVP, Rooney and Carrick out, Man Utd would be a shit team aswell... They still managed to win the title, so where are you going this? If you take 3 key players out of any squad, they'll be in trouble.

I think he's saying our squad is weak whereas the others big teams squads aren't and he's right, we have a tiny squad with little real quality.

[AKBapologist]

If you took RVP, Rooney and Carrick out, Man Utd would be a shit team aswell... They still managed to win the title, so where are you going this? If you take 3 key players out of any squad, they'll be in trouble.

LOL no. Velencia, hernandez, vidic and kagawa are all top draw. Your deluded if you think they don't have a solid squad throughout.

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[GP]

I don't think people understand. There will be no rotation. No rest. With chaps league providing 2 games a week, a squad this small would be lucky to finish in the top half of the table - IT'S THAT BAD.

If September 2nd comes with out signings, supporters should class action sue the club the gross negligence or instruct the FA to investigate Arsene on suspicion of corruption.

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:lol:

[Nayan]

Just realised Suarez would only miss four of our league games. :lol:

Sign him up, Arsene (after Aug 27/28)!

our medical department would fuck his shit up after that

[JonasTC]

LOL no. Velencia, hernandez, vidic and kagawa are all top draw. Your deluded if you think they don't have a solid squad throughout.

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Then call me deluded... I dont think Man Utd would have been near the title, if it hadnt been for RVP suddenly going from glass man for 7 years to robot-man who plays all 38 games.

[Özim]

Then call me deluded... I dont think Man Utd would have been near the title, if it hadnt been for RVP suddenly going from glass man for 7 years to robot-man who plays all 38 games.
The point is you're comparing the squads as if there is a valid comparison, there isn't our squad is weak in comparison.

If we lose 2-3 players we're f*cked, they're not as they have other very good players in the their team/squad.

[GP]

Then call me deluded... I dont think Man Utd would have been near the title, if it hadnt been for RVP suddenly going from glass man for 7 years to robot-man who plays all 38 games.

They'd have won it without him due to City's utter incompetence.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

What I love is that there is this near certainty that whatever United do they will be in the top three....whatever we say about the disaster of our pre-season couldn't be much worse than theirs.

How many games did they even win in pre-season and they played quite a few...they were absolutely trounced at home to Sevilla last night....yes a testimonial game but still.

[Özim]

What I love is that there is this near certainty that whatever United do they will be in the top three....whatever we say about the disaster of our pre-season couldn't be much worse than theirs.

How many games did they even win in pre-season and they played quite a few...they were absolutely trounced at home to Sevilla last night....yes a testimonial game but still.
They have much better players though, they nabbed our best player after all and won the title at a canter last season. Moyes isn't as good as Ferguson no doubt about that but with their squad compared to other teams they should comfortably be in the top 3.

[AKBapologist]

They'd have won it without him due to City's utter incompetence.
No they wouldn't, but to imply that we would have if RVP stayed, or that the difference between United and Arsenal is RVP is fucking stupid.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

They have much better players though, they nabbed our best player after all and won the title at a canter last season. Moyes isn't as good as Ferguson no doubt about that but with their squad compared to other teams they should comfortably be in the top 3.

Nani, Wellbeck, Young, Cleverley, Evans, Smalling, Jones?....are these the much better players to which you refer. I think Ferguson cut and run at exactly the right time...without doubt a club in decline.

+ Carrick and Ferdinand who are well past their best

The annoying thing is if we had strengthened with the midfield signings and a striker we would have almost certainly finished above them this season.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

No they wouldn't, but to imply that we would have if RVP stayed, or that the difference between United and Arsenal is RVP is fucking stupid.

To be honest it's not that stupid....look at the players i've mentioned in my previous post.... many of them are the players playing regularly for England and ensuring we are stuttering badly in our quest for qualification.

De Gea and Van Persie were the only United players of note last season...they won the title because of them and because they had the best manager ever to manage on these shores in charge of them

[GP]

No they wouldn't

Yeah they would.

[AKBapologist]

Yeah they would.

Subtract RVP goals and the new points total would mean they would have come 2nd or 3rd. He was clearly the difference between those two clubs.




On a seperate note:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BRT40a2CAAE9xtW.jpg


Meanwhile arsneals squad for today looks like this...
Start: Szczesny, Sagna, Mertesacker, Koscielny, Gibbs, Arteta, Wilshere, Ramsey, Oxlade-Chamberlain, Walcott, Podolski #AFCvMCFC
Bench: Fabianski, Jenkinson, Perez, Hayden, Zelalem, Cazorla, Giroud #AFCvMCFC

We have 7 subs. 1 of them doesn't belong to club (Perez) & another 2 won't play in the league this season. Only rosicky Diaby (lol), Monreal and Verm missing. /o\

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

They have Milner, we have Ramsey...their other millstone Gareth Barry has been left at home.

I swear if we sign Barry i'll torch the Emirates like it was the Reichstag in 1933

[AKBapologist]

Oh, Sanogo, don't forget Sanogo.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

No-one can forget him, the poor guy is a walking caveat.....for example "we haven't signed anyone (except Sanogo)"

[GP]

Subtract RVP goals

And add the goals of the other striker they would have signed.

They would have won it without him.

[Xhaka Can’t]

Kos is known as mr 10 games for a reason


Is the reason that you just made shit up?

[Grebbo]

And add the goals of the other striker they would have signed.

They would have won it without him.

Of course they would, it's a nonsense to think otherwise. RVP didn't score for 2 months and they still won every game IIRC. Take out RVP and replace with Rooney and the outcome would have been the same.

[LDG]

Is the reason that you just made shit up?

:haha:

[Xhaka Can’t]

Of course they would, it's a nonsense to think otherwise. RVP didn't score for 2 months and they still won every game IIRC. Take out RVP and replace with Rooney and the outcome would have been the same.

What a waste of £24m then.

[Niall_Quinn]

RvP won the league buy the 2/3rds mark and then took a holiday. Simple as that. City were so shit last year we could have finished 2nd with RvP in the team. But he wasn't because we sold our best player and captain to Utd. Still incredible, scarcely believable.

[Grebbo]

What a waste of £24m then.

Well no, you can't have too many world class players. That and the fact that Fergie hated Rooney so must have taken great delight in dropping him.

There's a reason why Mourinho and Chelsea ('mega bucks we can sign any player we want' Chelsea) want to sign Rooney. It's because he's bloody good. Man Utd would have won the league without RVP. It helps of course when your main rivals are managed by Rafa and Mancini.

[Marc Overmars]

Chelsea could be little bit awesome if they get Wazza.

I'm sure United know this and I just can't see him being sold to them, unless they offer up something huge.

[Niall_Quinn]

No-one can forget him, the poor guy is a walking caveat.....for example "we haven't signed anyone (except Sanogo)"

Good in some ways. Zero expectations. I suppose he can't be worse than Chamakh.

[Grebbo]

LONDON, England, August 10 – Former Liverpool stalwart Jamie Carragher has described Luis Suarez’s attempts to engineer a move away from the Premier League club as “laughable”.

Earlier this week, Suarez accused Liverpool of breaking promises by preventing him from joining another club, but manager Brendan Rodgers has refuted that and forced the Uruguayan to train on his own.

Arsenal have had two bids for Suarez rejected, but Carragher does not think the striker should be thinking about turning his back on Liverpool.

“It didn’t surprise me that Brendan Rodgers has made him train on his own,” wrote Carragher in Saturday’s edition of the Daily Mail newspaper.

“I never thought Luis would down tools in the way Fernando Torres did when he wanted to leave Liverpool — his attitude over the final 18 months became progressively worse — but now Suarez has given me reason to think again.
“To see it come to this is very dispiriting. A lot of good people have stood by Luis since he joined the club. Rodgers and Kenny Dalglish could not have done more for him.
“In the darkest times, we wore T-shirts to show we were standing alongside him, even if it was ill-advised.
“So it is laughable to hear he is unhappy with Liverpool for not letting him join Arsenal.”
Liverpool’s players donned T-shirts in support of Suarez after he was accused of racially abusing Manchester United’s Patrice Evra in 2011, an offence for which he received an eight-match ban.

Carragher retired at the end of last season after making 737 appearances for Liverpool, but he remains closely involved with the club and claims he has noticed a change in Suarez’s behaviour.

“I took part in a training session at Melwood before Steven Gerrard’s testimonial last Saturday and I was alarmed by the Luis Suarez with whom I was sharing a pitch,” Carragher said.
“From his first day at Liverpool, I had been used to seeing a warrior who loved his football and charged around with great enthusiasm.
“On this occasion, however, his attitude was completely different. He didn’t want the ball and had no interest in getting involved. He stood on the periphery, with shoulders slumped.”
Speaking on Friday ahead of a friendly against Celtic in Dublin, Rodgers expressed confidence that Suarez will be able to resurrect his Anfield career.
“It’s been a difficult period for him but it’s my job to protect the group. Once he’s back with the spirit he’ll rejoin the group,” Rodgers said.
“Luis has fought for his life for Liverpool. There will come a point where he’ll recognise the club is not going to sell and then he goes on to the pitch and he’ll give 100 per cent.”

This is quite interesting, I'm certain that Liverpool won't sell Suarez to us but I think they're going to have to sell him to someone.

Having experienced Torres effectively down tools to get a move surely they cannot keep Suarez if he too downs tools?

[Master Splinter]

Hope Suarez destroys them from the inside if they don't sanction his dream move to the Arsenal.

[JonasTC]

Back then John Henry went out and said that they dont want to keep players that doesnt want to be at the club...

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Squad unfocused, can't score, losing games.

JW Henry. :lol:

:2+2=5itis:

[LDG]

You do have to question the quality of the marajuana on merseyside.

[Shaqiri Is Boss]

Mediocre.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

http://www.101greatgoals.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/john-w-henry-cigar.jpg

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Ignore that, knew I shouldn't trust SSN implicitly. Anyway, Rodgers just says if he apologises and works hard "he will be welcomed back in to the fold".

Rodgers also mentioned not selling him to Arsenal that's for certain (again) but this time he was unprompted in mentioning us.

Then he says it's our intention to keep him. :wacko:

[KSE Comedy Club]

This is quite interesting, I'm certain that Liverpool won't sell Suarez to us but I think they're going to have to sell him to someone.

Having experienced Torres effectively down tools to get a move surely they cannot keep Suarez if he too downs tools?

He doesn't want to be playing for Liverpool anymore Jamie, you fucking retard!

[Marc Overmars]

Really doesn't look like they're going to sell to us. Rarely is a club so adamant they won't do business with a specific club.

[Grebbo]

Really doesn't look like they're going to sell to us. Rarely is a club so adamant they won't do business with a specific club.

Yes, and quite right too. No way should they sell to us.

Be interesting to see if Suarez apologises. If I were his agent I'd be telling him to release another statement saying he's got nothing to apologise for, it's Liverpool who have gone back on their word.

I think Rodgers is showing his inexperience with all of this bravado he seems to be coming out with on a daily basis. Best to keep quiet IMO.

[Shaqiri Is Boss]

Yes, and quite right too. No way should they sell to us.

Be interesting to see if Suarez apologises. If I were his agent I'd be telling him to release another statement saying he's got nothing to apologise for, it's Liverpool who have gone back on their word.

I think Rodgers is showing his inexperience with all of this bravado he seems to be coming out with on a daily basis. Best to keep quiet IMO.

If I were his agent I'd be keeping my mouth shut, given the release clause screw up.

But no doubt there will be some statement put out crying again. Hasn't even had the courage yet to put in a transfer request and lose his precious "loyalty bonus".

[Grebbo]

If I were his agent I'd be keeping my mouth shut, given the release clause screw up.

But no doubt there will be some statement put out crying again. Hasn't even had the courage yet to put in a transfer request and lose his precious "loyalty bonus".

You think? I'm not so sure. I think Suarez has realised that we're the only club in for him and its not worth the hassle. I saw clips of him signing autographs from his car. Not that it means anything of course but seemed like an odd thing to do. I think he's gonna stay.

The only way I see him leaving this summer is if RM think Bale is too expensive and instead bid £50m for Suarez. Then the shit will really hit the fan because he'll go on strike to get that move.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

The 20-year-old says the Uruguay international is Arsene Wenger's top target and believes the striker will boost the club's chances of winning silverware this season
EXCLUSIVE
By Diego Morini

Arsenal goalkeeper Damian Martinez has urged Arsene Wenger to break the bank in order to sign Liverpool striker Luis Suarez this summer.

The Uruguayan claimed in an interview with the Guardian on Tuesday that he had been promised a move following the club's failure to secure a place in this season's Champions League.

Liverpool owner John W Henry has since reiterated that the club will not sell the 26-year-old, who is currently training away from the first team.

Arsene Wenger maintains Arsenal will continue to be "amicable" in their pursuit of Suarez and Martinez believes the forward could be the key to boosting his side's title chances.

"We are all waiting for Suarez to join Arsenal," Martinez told Goal.

"Arsene Wenger wants him more than anybody else. I hope the deal gets done so we can aim at something more than qualifying for the next Champions League.

"Let's see if we can break the bank and bring him in."

Brendan Rodgers insists the club are in control of the situation and says Suarez will be permitted to rejoin first-team training sessions when he accepts that he will remain at Anfield this summer.

Martinez. :haha:

http://www.goal.com/en-gh/news/4359/england/2013/08/10/4177102/martinez-urges-arsenal-to-break-the-bank-for-suarez




Edinson Cavani has accused *Liverpool of breaking a promise to Luis Suarez that they would allow the Uruguayan striker to join a club in the Champions League.

Suarez has insisted he was given assurances by Brendan Rodgers that he could leave Anfield to play in *Europe’s top club competition – after being shocked by the news that a £40,000,001 bid from Arsenal had not triggered a buy-out clause.

And Cavani, the international strike-partner of Suarez, who moved from Napoli to Paris Saint-Germain for £55m, says his friend has been TOO loyal to Liverpool.

Canavi said: “The Liverpool coach can talk about loyalty and disrespect, but maybe he needs to look up what it means.

“Luis had the chance last year to join a big club like Juventus, who went on to win the league in Italy.

“But, instead, he chose to stay and fight with Liverpool. Now, that’s what you call loyalty.

“I’ve known about his agreement with Liverpool and understood that he would be leaving, if they were not playing in the Champions League.”

Cavani. :bow: :haha:

http://www.irishmirror.ie/sport/soccer/transfer-news/luis-suarez-transfer-edinson-cavani-2149003#.Uganx2RBjUA.twitter

[GP]

#FreeLuis

[Niall_Quinn]

Cavani is the new Xavi, better maybe because he's not connected with this in any way.

[Cripps_orig]

Any closer to getting him?

[AKBapologist]

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/arsenal-transfer-target-luiz-gustavo-2150366?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

Arsenal transfer target Luiz Gustavo close to £14m Emirates move as Wenger refuses to give up on Suarez

10 Aug 2013 22:30
Gunners look to secure deal for Bayern Munich's Brazilian ace, Wenger still believes Suarez deal can happen

[McNamara That Ghost...]

From the above:

“I also haven’t given up hope on Suarez. If I read what people are saying about him, then maybe I would give up. But we will do it the right way.

Wenget. :bow:

[Özim]

Great, if this is true we're going to waste our time chasing a player who's never gonna come instead of going after realistic targets. How intelligent.

[Cripps_orig]

What's with the abuse?

Not the first time either.

Mods clearly have seen it. Time action was taken.

[Grebbo]

From the above:


Wenget. :bow:

Liverpool must hate us

:lol:

[Niall_Quinn]

Liverpool must hate us

:lol:

This is as close as we'll get to being Barcelona.

[Cripps_orig]

This is as close as we'll get to being Barcelona.

Liverpool hate Barca as well?

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

actually i think rodgers has come out of this quite well

most managers would have buckled and lost their head

he said suarez will train on his own until his head is clears up, then he'll return to train with the first team. thats quite a sensible approach.

if they sell to us that's top 4 cemented for next season. they cant finish above city, chelsea or man utd, the only team they have a possibility of overtaking is us. but selling suarez to us prevents that happening and leaves them battling for 5th at most.

we're in a dilemma.

[dazthegooner]

There is a rumour that if Bale leaves the spuds will make a bid :haha:

[Grebbo]

There is a rumour that if Bale leaves the spuds will make a bid :haha:

:lol:

[LDG]

There is a rumour that if Bale leaves the spuds will make a bid :haha:

£85,000,001.00 :bow:

[dazthegooner]

He says he wants champions league football so why do the spuds think he would go there :haha:

[Niall_Quinn]

Any bid the spuds put in would be for the same reason we've done it, conning the fans.

[Özim]

Wenger still thinks he can get Suarez :lol:

[Kano]

actually i think rodgers has come out of this quite well

you'd think so right?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2388984/Brendan-Rodgers-behaved-worse-Luis-Suarez-summer--Patrick-Collins.html?ico=sport^headlines

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

tbf i was drunk as fuck last night.

[Ollie the Optimist]

sky sports saying that saurez wont apologise. :lol:

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Didn't see that coming.

[Özim]

They should take him out for a bite to talk about it.

[Cripps_orig]

Has nothing to apologise for.

[Niall_Quinn]

Didn't see that coming.

Shocker, if this carries on we might have to buy him.

[Munchies]

sky sports saying that saurez wont apologise. :lol:

Fucking lol, and rightly so.

Fuck off Rodgers .

[Niall_Quinn]

It's incredibly dumb backing Suarez into a corner when he wants to leave. Rodgers just hasn't been able to shut up and in the end he'll be Suarez's best exit route. What are the going to do now? Make him stand outside Rodgers' office?

[Master Splinter]

Has nothing to apologise for.

Pretty much. Liverpool have broken all their promises to him and are now treating him like a slave.

Deserves better after giving them two and a half seasons of fully-committed, injury-free service. Has carried them to seventh place like a true warrior. Without him they'd be fifteenth at best.

A classless, duplicitous club from top to bottom.

Only Uncle Arsene can rescue him now.

[Özim]

What's Suarez going to do? He hasn't got a leg to stand on and needs to play with it being World Cup year, he'd be a fool not to apologise if it means getting game time.

[Ollie the Optimist]

there was no point in rodgers trying to make him apologise anyway. suarez just said he wanted to leave, so why would he apologise to play for them again?


rodgers, waht an idiot :lol:

[Özim]

Maybe apologise for accusing them of going back of their word perhaps and making allsorts of accusations.

The pr*ck should apologise for his scummy behaviour if nothing else and for all the sh*t he's done in his Liverpool career as well.

A spell in the reserves should make the lad thing again.

[Cripps_orig]

Liverpool went back on their word and he has to apologise?

[Özim]

They didn't he made up some BS to engineer a move, just like he did at Groningen where he lost the tribunal.

He's a liar basically, if he wasn't he had his move by now.

[Ollie the Optimist]

They didn't he made up some BS to engineer a move, just like he did at Groningen where he lost the tribunal.

He's a liar basically, if he wasn't he had his move by now.

so is rodgers. he said to swansea that if they let him move to liverpool, we wouldnt sign any players for a year. even had a written agreement. he then went to swansea to sign joe allen, and refused to pay his release clause and tried to fuck swansea out of money

rodgers is a liar as much as suarez. i bet rodgers did make those promises but realises just how fucked liverpool would be without him and has lied saying he hasn't

[Özim]

so is rodgers. he said to swansea that if they let him move to liverpool, we wouldnt sign any players for a year. even had a written agreement. he then went to swansea to sign joe allen, and refused to pay his release clause and tried to fuck swansea out of money

rodgers is a liar as much as suarez. i bet rodgers did make those promises but realises just how fucked liverpool would be without him and has lied saying he hasn't

As someone told you before, this was if no other clubs came in for them, they did so he tried.

Suarez is scum, I don't know how anyone can support him to be honest, he represents everything that's bad about football.

[Master Splinter]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2388984/Brendan-Rodgers-behaved-worse-Luis-Suarez-summer--Patrick-Collins.html

[Ollie the Optimist]

As someone told you before, this was if no other clubs came in for them, they did so he tried.

Suarez is scum, I don't know how anyone can support him to be honest, he represents everything that's bad about football.

even if other clubs came in for him, allen had a clause that it was 15 million for him to join the top clubs bar spurs. he then said that was unfair that spurs didnt have to go as high as 15 million and felt he should not have to either. he fucked his old club out of money. hardly the sort that makes usarez seem like a saint

[Cripps_orig]

As someone told you before, this was if no other clubs came in for them, they did so he tried.

Suarez is scum, I don't know how anyone can support him to be honest, he represents everything that's bad about football.
I think you're mistaking him with Messi

Suarez was the best striker in the country last season and that comes before anything else he's done

[Özim]

I think RVP was better personally.

Not for me, how you behave on the pitch is important, we don't want Joey Barton's running around all over the place.

Players who think they can get away with racist remarks and violence on the pitch and then move clubs as soon as they feel like of how long they've been somewhere are not good for anyone.

[Cripps_orig]

You're comparing what he's done to Barton? :blink:

Barton is a criminal.

Suarezs wrong doings have been on the pitch.

We've had druggies, rapists, drink drivers.

A biter is minor in comparison

[Özim]

You're comparing what he's done to Barton? :blink:

Barton is a criminal.

Suarezs wrong doings have been on the pitch.

We've had druggies, rapists, drink drivers.

A biter is minor in comparison

Suarez has been accused of racism, in the real world that would be criminal.

Suarez has bitten someone (twice now), in real life that would be assault and criminal.

Maybe but so what, we don't what bad role models in the game ideally, he's an awful role model.

On top of this he never recognises when he's in the wrong (an example was when he refused to shake Evra's hand).

The other problem with Suarez is also the fact he'll say and do anything to manufacture a move even when he's just signed a new contract. Maybe we should just not bother with contracts and just let players walk away when they feel like it if contracts don't count for anything.

[Niall_Quinn]

In all fairness Evra is a massive, massive cunt. Such a huge cunt, in fact, that nothing bar that fact has any statistical significance. Even if the whole world ended tomorrow and billions died, it would be unremarkable in comparison to how huge a cunt Evra is.

[Cripps_orig]

If Evra doesn't put his hand out to shake, how can Suarez shake it? :blink:

Like I said, he did his things on the pitch.

Likes of Vieira etc were no saints on the pitch.

Suarez is one of the best strikers in the world and has scored goals wherever he's been. Couldn't care less about minor incidents

[Shaqiri Is Boss]

even if other clubs came in for him, allen had a clause that it was 15 million for him to join the top clubs bar spurs. he then said that was unfair that spurs didnt have to go as high as 15 million and felt he should not have to either. he fucked his old club out of money. hardly the sort that makes usarez seem like a saint
You don't have to pay a release clause with your first bid. As you yourself have said, you bid the least you think will be accepted and in that case it wasn't. In any case, we did pay his release clause, so no Swansea weren't "fucked... out of money".

As for the no-buy clause, there were so many caveats it obviously wasn't worth the paper it was written on.

But this is all a side issue, Suarez has made a number of allegations over the summer which he has failed to back up with any evidence, or found to be simply untrue. I don't really care about an apology, this isn't primary school.

[Joker]

Suarez has been accused of racism, in the real world that would be criminal.

Suarez has bitten someone (twice now), in real life that would be assault and criminal.

Maybe but so what, we don't what bad role models in the game ideally, he's an awful role model.

On top of this he never recognises when he's in the wrong (an example was when he refused to shake Evra's hand).

The other problem with Suarez is also the fact he'll say and do anything to manufacture a move even when he's just signed a new contract. Maybe we should just not bother with contracts and just let players walk away when they feel like it if contracts don't count for anything.

I agree with that, he does seem a nasty piece of work. Just because he was racist against Evra (who has bad mouted Arsenal in the past) doesn't make it any less bad. Add to that his refusal to shake Evra's hand plus having bitten someone on the pitch TWICE, he's an unstable player who I think is more trouble than he's worth.

[Niall_Quinn]

You don't have to pay a release clause with your first bid. As you yourself have said, you bid the least you think will be accepted and in that case it wasn't. In any case, we did pay his release clause, so no Swansea weren't "fucked... out of money".

As for the no-buy clause, there were so many caveats it obviously wasn't worth the paper it was written on.

But this is all a side issue, Suarez has made a number of allegations over the summer which he has failed to back up with any evidence, or found to be simply untrue. I don't really care about an apology, this isn't primary school.

Rodgers does appear to insist it becomes a primary school incident though. He hasn't done himself or the club any favours, but he's almost carpeted Suarez's route out. Might not be us but he certainly won't be staying now. Rodgers really needs to be very quiet, but the damage is probably done anyway.

[Özim]

If Evra doesn't put his hand out to shake, how can Suarez shake it? :blink:

Like I said, he did his things on the pitch.

Likes of Vieira etc were no saints on the pitch.

Suarez is one of the best strikers in the world and has scored goals wherever he's been. Couldn't care less about minor incidents

He tried to shake his hand, that's why he got annoyed when Suarez didn't.

Vieira was not in the same league as this loser in terms of bad behaviour, this guy is a cheat (the handball in the world cup), is violent, has been charged with racism and a total mercernary who doesn't give a sh*t about anything but himself.

He's good but there's other players out there of better character like him, not interested in having players like him at the club, in a year or two he'd screw us over, guaranteed.

[Niall_Quinn]

I agree with that, he does seem a nasty piece of work. Just because he was racist against Evra (who has bad mouted Arsenal in the past) doesn't make it any less bad. Add to that his refusal to shake Evra's hand plus having bitten someone on the pitch TWICE, he's an unstable player who I think is more trouble than he's worth.

Yes the fact it was Evra deffo makes it less bad. In fact it makes it irrelevant. Evras a cunt always dishing it, say whatever it takes to cause most offence to him, who cares? Not apologising for Suarez, just objecting to anyone standing up for Evra for any reason.

[Özim]

Rodgers does appear to insist it becomes a primary school incident though. He hasn't done himself or the club any favours, but he's almost carpeted Suarez's route out. Might not be us but he certainly won't be staying now. Rodgers really needs to be very quiet, but the damage is probably done anyway.

It's the owners that will decide what happens at the end of the day and they are adamant he's not leaving (even if by some miracle he did it wouldn't be to us as it would affect their CL chances).

Suarez is the one in the wrong here, I don't subscribe to the view that everyone should bend over and take it up the arse from this guy just to keep him happy. I think they don't want to fine him in case he uses that as a genuine reason to leave (i.e he takes it to court and says he's not been paid so he's entitled to leave), the way I see it it only leaves letting him rot in the reserves for a while until he comes round.

[Özim]

Yes the fact it was Evra deffo makes it less bad. In fact it makes it irrelevant. Evras a cunt always dishing it, say whatever it takes to cause most offence to him, who cares? Not apologising for Suarez, just objecting to anyone standing up for Evra for any reason.

Who's standing up for Evra?

He tried to shake his hand, Suarez refused, thus making the matter worse. The logical thing would have been to shake his hand and let bygones be bygones.

Jaws is a player who basically thinks he can do whatever he wants, that's what we've seen from his career.

[Niall_Quinn]

It's the owners that will decide what happens at the end of the day and they are adamant he's not leaving (even if by some miracle he did it wouldn't be to us as it would affect their CL chances).

Suarez is the one in the wrong here, I don't subscribe to the view that everyone should bend over and take it up the arse from this guy just to keep him happy. I think they don't want to fine him in case he uses that as a genuine reason to leave (i.e he takes it to court and says he's not been paid so he's entitled to leave), the way I see it it only leaves letting him rot in the reserves for a while until he comes round.

You don't have to bend over, just stop running to the media every five minutes and have a bit of dignity. Rodgers should have his own newspaper his mouth has been flapping so much. If he wants to win this he's not going about it in a smart way.

[Cripps_orig]

Loser? :blink:

The thing at the World Cup if anything proves he cares about his team. Sacrificed his spot in a World Cup semi as long as his country got through. Every single one of us would have done what he did so I'm not criticising him for that. And it's not his fault Ghana missed the penalty

As for th handshake, as I said at the time, Suarez has his hand out, Evra only put his out when Suarez had gone past. The video is there for all to see and then Evra acted all high and mighty. He's a cunt.

He might screw us over but then getting him might push us up a level and win us trophies so he might not want to leave.

Let's get him home first. We'll worry about him screwing us over when/if it comes to it.

Don't forget, cunts such as Rvp and Cesc have done so and they especially the latter are still seen as heroes for seem reason

[Niall_Quinn]

Who's standing up for Evra?

He tried to shake his hand, Suarez refused, thus making the matter worse. The logical thing would have been to shake his hand and let bygones be bygones.

Jaws is a player who basically thinks he can do whatever he wants, that's what we've seen from his career.

Joker, he's evras gay go to boy.

[Joker]

Yes the fact it was Evra deffo makes it less bad. In fact it makes it irrelevant. Evras a cunt always dishing it, say whatever it takes to cause most offence to him, who cares? Not apologising for Suarez, just objecting to anyone standing up for Evra for any reason.

Racism is against the law in the UK so you can't say anything you want. Evra may be a cunt who dishes it out but I don't think he's ever stooped that low as to make a racial remark against another player.

You say "who cares" but if you start to allow racism on the pitch then some people will ask why should a person on the street be arrested for racially abusing someone? That then completely undermines all the work done to defeat racism over the last 30 years.

[Özim]

even if other clubs came in for him, allen had a clause that it was 15 million for him to join the top clubs bar spurs. he then said that was unfair that spurs didnt have to go as high as 15 million and felt he should not have to either. he fucked his old club out of money. hardly the sort that makes usarez seem like a saint

He paid 15 million for him didn't he? So he didn't screw them over.

Besides if there's no clause it's up to the selling club if they want to sell.

[Niall_Quinn]

Racism is against the law in the UK so you can't say anything you want. Evra may be a cunt who dishes it out but I don't think he's ever stooped that low as to make a racial remark against another player.

You say "who cares" but if you start to allow racism on the pitch then some people will ask why should a person on the street be arrested for racially abusing someone? That then completely undermines all the work done to defeat racism over the last 30 years.

Oh fuck off you fag.

[Joker]

Joker, he's evras gay go to boy.

I'm not "standing up" for Evra, I'm criticising Suarez's actions in that incident. I don't remember too many people defending John Terry when he racially abused Anton Ferdinand. Or is racism only a problem if it's perpetrated by someone you don't like?

[Özim]

Loser? :blink:

The thing at the World Cup if anything proves he cares about his team. Sacrificed his spot in a World Cup semi as long as his country got through. Every single one of us would have done what he did so I'm not criticising him for that. And it's not his fault Ghana missed the penalty

As for th handshake, as I said at the time, Suarez has his hand out, Evra only put his out when Suarez had gone past. The video is there for all to see and then Evra acted all high and mighty. He's a cunt.

He might screw us over but then getting him might push us up a level and win us trophies so he might not want to leave.

Let's get him home first. We'll worry about him screwing us over when/if it comes to it.

Don't forget, cunts such as Rvp and Cesc have done so and they especially the latter are still seen as heroes for seem reason

I don't see cheating as proof you're a winner to be honest and that was blatant cheating.

No, he clearly didn't want to shake his hand it's pretty clear from the video, Suarez was being Suarez and thinking he could basically do what he wanted, that's what he does best.

For how long, a year, two years and then we're back to square one when we're stuck in a long drawn out transfer saga and sign noone decent to replace him. He's not the right player for us, even before he decides it's time to move on, he'll probably get another long ban, we'd be paying a player to be banned and by himself he won't win us trophies we need more players than that, spending all that money on him would probably mean we wouldn't see anyone else of note come in.

[Niall_Quinn]

I'm not "standing up" for Evra, I'm criticising Suarez's actions in that incident. I don't remember too many people defending John Terry when he racially abused Anton Ferdinand. Or is racism only a problem if it's perpetrated by someone you don't like?

That's because we're biased football fans FFS. Jesus, get with the real world. It's only a sport. There are bigger issues in this world than Suarez and the blinkered stage show performance by a viciously racist nation that hires useful idiots to do a pr dance. If you really want to do something about racism then go and do something.

[Özim]

That's because we're biased football fans FFS. Jesus, get with the real world. It's only a sport. There are bigger issues in this world than Suarez and the blinkered stage show performance by a viciously racist nation that hires useful idiots to do a pr dance. If you really want to do something about racism then go and do something.
The problem with what you're saying is that people in the public eye influence others, footballers are idolised by kids and if their favourite footballer thinks it's OK to racially abuse someone then maybe the kids will think the same when they play.

There are obviously lots of problems in the world, much worse problems than Suarez, but it doesn't mean we should just ignore his behaviour because it's just football.

[Cripps_orig]

I don't see cheating as proof you're a winner to be honest and that was blatant cheating.

No, he clearly didn't want to shake his hand it's pretty clear from the video, Suarez was being Suarez and thinking he could basically do what he wanted, that's what he does best.

For how long, a year, two years and then we're back to square one when we're stuck in a long drawn out transfer saga and sign noone decent to replace him. He's not the right player for us, even before he decides it's time to move on, he'll probably get another long ban, we'd be paying a player to be banned and by himself he won't win us trophies we need more players than that, spending all that money on him would probably mean we wouldn't see anyone else of note come in.
How is it cheating? He was sent off and Ghana got a penalty. He got his punishment.

Just watched the video of the non handshake. As I said, Suarez had his hand out, Evra didn't put his out until Suarez shook De Geas. What's Suarez supposed to do? Wait for Evra? Every player shakes hands without stopping. No one waits and Suarez did the right thing.

The biting, I can't defend. That was bad but harshly punished when you consider Defoe bit Mascherano and wasn't punished. If it was anyone else, they'd have got off Scott free.

[Niall_Quinn]

Oh please don't bring the kids into it. Kids spend most of their time staring into screens and blowing the shit out of everything that moves. I doubt they have much time to pay attention to what Suarez is up to.

Truth. Racism is shit. Bigger truth. People who posture over racism are even bigger shits. If kids have parents that bring them up to think that what Suarez did is okay then those kids have way, way bigger problems. Same fucking kids will be lined up cheering home the troops from the race wars, btw. Why is nobody bollocking those troops or their masters? Lets call Suarez out, I have no problem with that. But not if it means the act can be used to ignore racism that actually causes harm. Everyone should just shut the fuck up if they aren't prepared to properly stand up against racism.

[Özim]

How is it cheating? He was sent off and Ghana got a penalty. He got his punishment.

Just watched the video of the non handshake. As I said, Suarez had his hand out, Evra didn't put his out until Suarez shook De Geas. What's Suarez supposed to do? Wait for Evra? Every player shakes hands without stopping. No one waits and Suarez did the right thing.

The biting, I can't defend. That was bad but harshly punished when you consider Defoe bit Mascherano and wasn't punished. If it was anyone else, they'd have got off Scott free.

Well the ball was going in the net, he stuck his hand out and stopped it, it stopped Ghana scoring and they lost because of it, he altered the result of the match outside the rules of the game and thus cheated.

I watched it again and Evra clearly brings his hand up to shake Suarez's, Suarez ignores him completely (no eye contact), he makes no attempt to acknowledge him or shake his hand, so he definitely did it on purpose.

He's done it twice now however, I agree about Defoe but since Suarez has been caught doing it twice you can't really argue with the punishment.

[Kano]

You don't have to pay a release clause with your first bid. As you yourself have said, you bid the least you think will be accepted and in that case it wasn't. In any case, we did pay his release clause, so no Swansea weren't "fucked... out of money".

As for the no-buy clause, there were so many caveats it obviously wasn't worth the paper it was written on.

But this is all a side issue, Suarez has made a number of allegations over the summer which he has failed to back up with any evidence, or found to be simply untrue. I don't really care about an apology, this isn't primary school.

and he won't have to make one. it'll all be forgotten if he is still there by the time his ban expires, because let's face it, rogers needs him if he wants to have any hope of improving on last season. countinho will be very good, as will sturridge but neither compare to the assistance suarez gives to the team.

it's all rhetoric. like the daily mail article says, rogers is ticking all the right boxes for the fans to ensure they believe he understands The Liverpool Way and like everything else in football, time will pass and all will be forgotten.

[Niall_Quinn]

Well the ball was going in the net, he stuck his hand out and stopped it, it stopped Ghana scoring and they lost because of it, he altered the result of the match outside the rules of the game and thus cheated.

I watched it again and Evra clearly brings his hand up to shake Suarez's, Suarez ignores him completely (no eye contact), he makes no attempt to acknowledge him or shake his hand, so he definitely did it on purpose.

He's done it twice now however, I agree about Defoe but since Suarez has been caught doing it twice you can't really argue with the punishment.

Henry did it to the Irish. Do we hate him? Lets be honest about this sort of stuff. Wenger didn't shake hands, do we hate him? Obviously don't answer that.

[Kano]

The problem with what you're saying is that people in the public eye influence others, footballers are idolised by kids and if their favourite footballer thinks it's OK to racially abuse someone then maybe the kids will think the same when they play.

There are obviously lots of problems in the world, much worse problems than Suarez, but it doesn't mean we should just ignore his behaviour because it's just football.
they influence kids far less than you believe. this isn't the 1950s. kids, in particular boys, are not as naive as that anymore.

[KSE Comedy Club]

Loser? :blink:

The thing at the World Cup if anything proves he cares about his team. Sacrificed his spot in a World Cup semi as long as his country got through. Every single one of us would have done what he did so I'm not criticising him for that. And it's not his fault Ghana missed the penalty

As for th handshake, as I said at the time, Suarez has his hand out, Evra only put his out when Suarez had gone past. The video is there for all to see and then Evra acted all high and mighty. He's a cunt.

He might screw us over but then getting him might push us up a level and win us trophies so he might not want to leave.

Let's get him home first. We'll worry about him screwing us over when/if it comes to it.

Don't forget, cunts such as Rvp and Cesc have done so and they especially the latter are still seen as heroes for seem reason
:gp:

[Cripps_orig]

No, they lost cos they are shit at penalties. F all to do with Suarez.

Not sure what video you're watching tbh. All the videos I've seen, it's the same. Anyway good to see Suarez isn't a hypocrite. All this handshaking is bs. Why shake hands with someone you don't like? It's hypocritical. Suarez leading the way for the masses.

A winner, does what it takes to win even if its to his own detriment, team player, one of the best strikers around. Can see no legitimate reason why anyone wouldn't want him here.

The first bite was done in a different country under a different football organisation. Should have no bearing to this one. He deserved a ban of course but 10 games?

He should have broken Ivanovics leg, he'd only get 3 games

[Özim]

Oh please don't bring the kids into it. Kids spend most of their time staring into screens and blowing the shit out of everything that moves. I doubt they have much time to pay attention to what Suarez is up to.

Truth. Racism is shit. Bigger truth. People who posture over racism are even bigger shits. If kids have parents that bring them up to think that what Suarez did is okay then those kids have way, way bigger problems. Same fucking kids will be lined up cheering home the troops from the race wars, btw. Why is nobody bollocking those troops or their masters? Lets call Suarez out, I have no problem with that. But not if it means the act can be used to ignore racism that actually causes harm. Everyone should just shut the fuck up if they aren't prepared to properly stand up against racism.

If you say so if you say so, you're right TV has no influence on anyone.

I agree to an extent the parents are to blame, however if you've ever been around kids you'll realise they don't always listen to their parents and that their friends have a huge influence on them.

All racism like this causes harm, if it's OK for someone famous to do it then it must be OK for others, after all everyone see's those famous people do it and thinks it's OK. There's no place for any form of racism in modern society, it still exists sadly but it's no OK for anyone to be racist, not even overpaid, premadonna's who think they can do whatever they want.

[Özim]

they influence kids far less than you believe. this isn't the 1950s. kids, in particular boys, are not as naive as that anymore.

Celebrities influence people, just look at how some people react to soap characters thinking they are the same person in real life. Whatever people think they certainly have influence, not over everyone, but over some and that's enough.

[Kano]

Celebrities influence people, just look at how some people react to soap characters thinking they are the same person in real life. Whatever people think they certainly have influence, not over everyone, but over some and that's enough.
i've seen it in my own children. they aren't led or influenced by celebrity behaviour.

you can always pick out nutbags as the exception to the rule.

[Niall_Quinn]

If you say so if you say so, you're right TV has no influence on anyone.

I agree to an extent the parents are to blame, however if you've ever been around kids you'll realise they don't always listen to their parents and that their friends have a huge influence on them.

All racism like this causes harm, if it's OK for someone famous to do it then it must be OK for others, after all everyone see's those famous people do it and thinks it's OK. There's no place for any form of racism in modern society, it still exists sadly but it's no OK for anyone to be racist, not even overpaid, premadonna's who think they can do whatever they want.

You're not getting this. Fine, come down on Suarez like a ton of bricks. But make sure you do the same to real racists too. Don't just ignore them and certainly don't fucking vote for them. Or buy their shit. Definitely don't buy their shit, that's what really hurts professional racists.

[Özim]

No, they lost cos they are shit at penalties. F all to do with Suarez.

Not sure what video you're watching tbh. All the videos I've seen, it's the same. Anyway good to see Suarez isn't a hypocrite. All this handshaking is bs. Why shake hands with someone you don't like? It's hypocritical. Suarez leading the way for the masses.

A winner, does what it takes to win even if its to his own detriment, team player, one of the best strikers around. Can see no legitimate reason why anyone wouldn't want him here.

The first bite was done in a different country under a different football organisation. Should have no bearing to this one. He deserved a ban of course but 10 games?

He should have broken Ivanovics leg, he'd only get 3 games

No. Penalties are a lottery, a ball heading into the net bu being stopped illegally by a hand isn't, it's blatant cheating. Had he not done it (and it was particularly blatant) Ghana would have knocked Uruguay out.

:lol: You make me laugh, that was so deliberate it's untrue.

Because he's a cheat, will get banned for his onfield behaviour and will screw us, that's 3 reasons right there.

So what, so it's OK because it's in a different country? I'd have given him 20, he got off lightly given the racism thing before.

The problem with a tackle is you can't prove if it's a deliberate attempt to hurt someone most of the time, it's not like biting, there's no reason to bite, there is a reason to tackle and not all tackles are accurate.

[Özim]

You're not getting this. Fine, come down on Suarez like a ton of bricks. But make sure you do the same to real racists too. Don't just ignore them and certainly don't fucking vote for them. Or buy their shit. Definitely don't buy their shit, that's what really hurts professional racists.

Who are you talking about here? The FA don't police the country, racists exist in society and they vote for certain parties (who claim not to be racist), I wouldn't vote for them but some do.

Racism is wrong but I don't understand the point you're trying to make, racism isn't seen as acceptable in today's society even if it still exists.

[Master Splinter]

Where did CIB's post go?

Was he banned for comparing this place to RAWK?

[Shaqiri Is Boss]

Where did CIB's post go?

Was he banned for comparing this place to RAWK?

I was going to re-word it but couldn't be bothered in the end.

I think I prefer :popcorn: from the sidelines anyway...

[Özim]

i've seen it in my own children. they aren't led or influenced by celebrity behaviour.

you can always pick out nutbags as the exception to the rule.
So they never copy a goal their favourite player has scored, or never pretend to be their favourite player.

There's different levels of course, lots of people buy clothes worn by certain celebs or copy their style, people in the public eye have influence all over the place, not over everyone but over a certain amount of people.

[Cripps_orig]

No. Penalties are a lottery, a ball heading into the net bu being stopped illegally by a hand isn't, it's blatant cheating. Had he not done it (and it was particularly blatant) Ghana would have knocked Uruguay out.

:lol: You make me laugh, that was so deliberate it's untrue.

Because he's a cheat, will get banned for his onfield behaviour and will screw us, that's 3 reasons right there.

So what, so it's OK because it's in a different country? I'd have given him 20, he got off lightly given the racism thing before.

The problem with a tackle is you can't prove if it's a deliberate attempt to hurt someone most of the time, it's not like biting, there's no reason to bite, there is a reason to tackle and not all tackles are accurate.
Is Henry a cheat in your opinion then?

2 hand balls, 2 different players, 2 different games but big games. One got away with it, the other didn't.

I'm saying the English FA should not have taken the previous bite in to consideration as it had f all to do with them as it didn't happen here.

Like I said, Suarez should have broken Ivanovics leg and claimed it was accidental. Whether it was or not, nobody would know but he'd do far more damage than a bit would and he'd get suspended for lesser games

[Niall_Quinn]

Who are you talking about here? The FA don't police the country, racists exist in society and they vote for certain parties (who claim not to be racist), I wouldn't vote for them but some do.

Racism is wrong but I don't understand the point you're trying to make, racism isn't seen as acceptable in today's society even if it still exists.

Racism is glorified in British society. It's just not called racism. Silly incidents on football pitches are the huge social issues of our time. No sanitisation required for that because its cheap, easy and eminently containable. If you want to fight racism go to that shit home town that rails out flags every time war criminals come home. Shout at the top of you voice, WAR CRIMINAL RACIST SCUM! Now watch the programmed racists, but not for long because you'll need to run.

[Cripps_orig]

I was going to re-word it but couldn't be bothered in the end.

I think I prefer :popcorn: from the sidelines anyway...

Just noticed the name change.

Coutinho coming home next season then?

[Özim]

Is Henry a cheat in your opinion then?

2 hand balls, 2 different players, 2 different games but big games. One got away with it, the other didn't.

I'm saying the English FA should not have taken the previous bite in to consideration as it had f all to do with them as it didn't happen here.

Like I said, Suarez should have broken Ivanovics leg and claimed it was accidental. Whether it was or not, nobody would know but he'd do far more damage than a bit would and he'd get suspended for lesser games

In that scenario yes he cheated and there was a big storm about it and quite rightly so, Ireland went out because of it.

He's already been done for racism, this was his 2nd ban so they were bound to give him a long ban, so even ignoring the previous bite 10 games was fair seeing as he'd been in trouble before.

He's not clever enough for that to be honest, he's not the brightest. You're right of course he would have got a shorter ban but as mentioned it's because it would be harder to prove it's intentional, when a mistimed tackle can break someone's leg, it doesn't mean it was deliberate.

[Niall_Quinn]

Just noticed the name change.

Coutinho coming home next season then?

Hope so. Fabulous player.

[Özim]

Racism is glorified in British society. It's just not called racism. Silly incidents on football pitches are the huge social issues of our time. No sanitisation required for that because its cheap, easy and eminently containable. If you want to fight racism go to that shit home town that rails out flags every time war criminals come home. Shout at the top of you voice, WAR CRIMINAL RACIST SCUM! Now watch the programmed racists, but not for long because you'll need to run.

War's aren't about racism, their about money and oil. Again though the people who are in the front line aren't the people in charge they are just the pawn's who risk their lives for what they think is their country (some obviously of bad character too).

If you did that of course you'd get a bad reaction, people come out to welcome back men and women who have come back from war and your screaming insults, this won't go down well at any parade.

[GP]

Life is like a hurricane here in Duckburg

[Shaqiri Is Boss]

Just noticed the name change.

Coutinho coming home next season then?

No doubt.

You'd be better off spending most of your warchest on him tbh... younger, no baggage and a lovely smile.

[Niall_Quinn]

War's aren't about racism, their about money and oil. Again though the people who are in the front line aren't the people in charge they are just the pawn's who risk their lives for what they think is their country.

So nazis weren't racist then. Good to know. Anyone who goes along with racism without standing up is a racist, including you and including me. Live with it. Berate Suarez if it helps ease the truth.

Racism is inherent in war. People find it hard to kill unless the can be made hate the (insert derogatory racial term)

[Cripps_orig]

In that scenario yes he cheated and there was a big storm about it and quite rightly so, Ireland went out because of it.

He's already been done for racism, this was his 2nd ban so they were bound to give him a long ban, so even ignoring the previous bite 10 games was fair seeing as he'd been in trouble before.

He's not clever enough for that to be honest, he's not the brightest. You're right of course he would have got a shorter ban but as mentioned it's because it would be harder to prove it's intentional, when a mistimed tackle can break someone's leg, it doesn't mean it was deliberate.
In that scenario :lol:

So Suarez doing what he did in the World Cup is labelled a cheat for life but Henry is labelled a cheat "in that scenario"

Do you pick and choose who are cheats then?

If Neanderthals such as shawcross and Taylor can do it, I'm sure Suarez could have.

I'm glad he didn't of course. I don't want players injured.

[Özim]

So nazis weren't racist then. Good to know. Anyone who goes along with racism without standing up is a racist, including you and including me. Live with it. Berate Suarez if it helps ease the truth.

Racism is inherent in war. People find it hard to kill unless the can be made hate the (insert derogatory racial term)

That was but this was a long time ago these days wars are about different things not ethnic cleansing (and those that are are not accepted in any form), besides I thought you were referring to the wars the Western World wages on other countries.

If you're referring to war's elsewhere in the world, I'm not sure what you would suggest is done?

[Niall_Quinn]

I'm not getting at you btw. I just fucking hate it when such a fundamental human concern can be encapsulated in somebody as trivial than Luis Suarez. It's infinitely bigger than that. Don't listen to the liberal tools. All they ate is blanket pullers, pull a blanket over everything except the one thing they want you to look at. Cunt liberals.

[Özim]

In that scenario :lol:

So Suarez doing what he did in the World Cup is labelled a cheat for life but Henry is labelled a cheat "in that scenario"

Do you pick and choose who are cheats then?

If Neanderthals such as shawcross and Taylor can do it, I'm sure Suarez could have.

I'm glad he didn't of course. I don't want players injured.
Suarez is a scumbag, we've seen it throughout his career, he's a bad character, forced his way out of Groningen by taking them to a tribunal (he lost btw), bit his way out of Ajax with a long ban, cheating his team to the world cup semis, was found guilty of racism and then of violent behaviour by biting againn and is now threatening Liverpool because they won't let him go after he signed a new contract last summer, when he's only be there 2 years and they've supported him through thick and thin..

Slight difference between Henry and Suarez I think you'll agree.

No but I look at a players character and Suarez's is very unpleasant, he's a real mercenary who only cares about number 1, not a good trait.

Clearly not, he chooses to be more blatant.

[Niall_Quinn]

He is a scumbag for sure. Like the other 99.9% Thats football. The fans allowed it to happen.

[Cripps_orig]

Suarez is a scumbag, we've seen it throughout his career, he's a bad character, forced his way out of Groningen by taking them to a tribunal (he lost btw), bit his way out of Ajax with a long ban, cheating his team to the world cup semis, was found guilty of racism and then of violent behaviour by biting againn and is now threatening Liverpool because they won't let him go after he signed a new contract last summer, when he's only be there 2 years and they've supported him through thick and thin..

Slight difference between Henry and Suarez I think you'll agree.

No but I look at a players character and Suarez's is very unpleasant, he's a real mercenary who only cares about number 1, not a good trait.

Clearly not, he chooses to be more blatant.
But you were calling him a cheat cos of the handball thing specifically and now he's a cheat for all those other things as well when it was pointed out Henry has done the same thing.

Point is, the handball thing has been done countless times over the years. I didn't criticise Suarez or Henry for it. I did Henchoz though in the 2001 cup final cos it cost us a trophy. Cunt.

Maybe Suarez cares about his country more for his club then cos there is no way anyone can say he cares only for himself and then accuse him f being a cheat for sacrificing himself to help his country go through.

Bottom line, Suarez is one of the best around. He's not perfect but what player is?

[Özim]

I'm not getting at you btw. I just fucking hate it when such a fundamental human concern can be encapsulated in somebody as trivial than Luis Suarez. It's infinitely bigger than that. Don't listen to the liberal tools. All they ate is blanket pullers, pull a blanket over everything except the one thing they want you to look at. Cunt liberals.

I agree, but it's down to the profile of the sport and the media I'm afraid, if it's not seen then people won't have an opinion about it.

[Özim]

He is a scumbag for sure. Like the other 99.9% Thats football. The fans allowed it to happen.

Yeah and still letting it happen, just like they let their clubs get away with what they do by "just getting behind them and being a good fan".

[Özim]

But you were calling him a cheat cos of the handball thing specifically and now he's a cheat for all those other things as well when it was pointed out Henry has done the same thing.

Point is, the handball thing has been done countless times over the years. I didn't criticise Suarez or Henry for it. I did Henchoz though in the 2001 cup final cos it cost us a trophy. Cunt.

Maybe Suarez cares about his country more for his club then cos there is no way anyone can say he cares only for himself and then accuse him f being a cheat for sacrificing himself to help his country go through.

Bottom line, Suarez is one of the best around. He's not perfect but what player is?

It's the way he reacted as well, the celebration as if he'd done something to be proud of, that made it all the more unsavoury.

Maybe he does, he certainly doesn't care about his clubs.

He's very good, but there are a lot of other players who are closer to perfect than he is, in the grand scheme of things he comes out towards the bottom of the "perfect scale".

[Cripps_orig]

Henry celebrated as well.....


http://youtu.be/siJQZs2Sbho

Like who? And are they available and want to come to us?

[Özim]

Henry celebrated as well.....


http://youtu.be/siJQZs2Sbho

Like who? And are they available and want to come to us?


I'm not a scout ;)

We f*cked up this summer as always do, Suarez isn't coming anyway, there's no way we're getting him so we're wasting our time.

If we wanted to get someone one we need to be looking at players like Yilmaz, Lewandowski, Damiao, Huntelaar, Drogba. There's an outside chance we could get one of them, not comparing them to Suarez just saying these are players we could maybe snap up.

[Kano]

So they never copy a goal their favourite player has scored, or never pretend to be their favourite player.

There's different levels of course, lots of people buy clothes worn by certain celebs or copy their style, people in the public eye have influence all over the place, not over everyone but over a certain amount of people.
i'm not sure what you are trying to prove to me here. i have teenage children. i have seen them and their friends grow up. as well as my mates kids. you're misinformed in this instance.

[Özim]

i'm not sure what you are trying to prove to me here. i have teenage children. i have seen them and their friends grow up. as well as my mates kids. you're misinformed in this instance.
Like I said it's not everyone, just because your kids or your friends kids aren't influenced it doesn't mean millions aren't.

In addition maybe other things in the media have an influence on them, it depends what they are interested in at the end of the day.

Almost everyone is influenced by the media/tv in some way, whether they know it or not, some in more extreme ways than others.

[Kano]

Like I said it's not everyone, just because your kids or your friends kids aren't influenced it doesn't mean millions aren't.

In addition maybe other things in the media have an influence on them, it depends what they are interested in at the end of the day.

Almost everyone is influenced by the media/tv in some way, whether they know it or not, some in more extreme ways than others.
talk about widen your argument to the extreme to prove some sort of vague point.

get back to where you started. kids being influenced by suarez to racially abuse other kids. it won't happen because it doesn't work like that. seen an epidemic reported in the news because of the uncontrollable surge in mad racist children influenced by a footballer? no. and there's an obvious reason why. if a kid abuses another kid racially it will come from their parents. or because of their friends parents screwing up their mates heads. not the tv.

you're just wrong. accept it. suarez is a cunt. he bit some people. he racially abused a guy. that's it. stop grasping at straws to fuel your irrational stance against him and his vast influence on the next generation of adults.

[Özim]

talk about widen your argument to the extreme to prove some sort of vague point.

get back to where you started. kids being influenced by suarez to racially abuse other kids. it won't happen because it doesn't work like that. seen an epidemic reported in the news because of the uncontrollable surge in mad racist children influenced by a footballer? no. and there's an obvious reason why.

you're just wrong. accept it. suarez is a cunt. he bit some people. he racially abused a guy. that's it. stop grasping at straws to fuel your irrational stance against him and his vast influence on the next generation of adults.

The point was that if this behaviour wasn't clamped down upon it would influence others as they wouldn't see a problem with it, as it is he was punished for it and thus they'll know he was wrong.

If you don't condem unacceptable behavior in the public eye, then why would anyone (kids) think it's wrong and not do it themselves?

They were just talking about how kids want to be Usain Bolt and mimic his behaviour when he just won the 100m, which proves my point.

[Kano]

what's your point here? he has been punished. he has been banned twice for his onfield misdemeanour's. is that the wrong message?

don't confuse the interests of agents and the media's games with what he has been vilified for onfield.

are you saying that kids will now demand moves to other schools because of their favourite footballers demands?

[Özim]

what's your point here? he has been punished. he has been banned twice for his onfield misdemeanour's. is that the wrong message?

don't confuse the interests of agents and the media's games with what he has been vilified for onfield.

are you saying that kids will now demand moves to other schools because of their favourite footballers demands?

My point was that if something like this was not punished it would send out the wrong message. He was punished and that's fine, the point is we should never allow racism to be acceptable in any form.

You're trying to be funny and it's not working, that's not the same at all, however if a kid becomes a footballer there's a chance he might well do the same in his career if he see's no wrong in it. I think kids as they get older are now more attracted to football due to the money and what comes with it rather than just the football side, so things have certainly changed.

If we saw players like Suarez move when they wanted all the time, I don't think anyone growing up watching them would see anything wrong with it either.

A game with mercenaries will create more mercenaries.

[Kano]

but it was punished, so you have no point.

apart from the absolute bleeding obvious.

[Özim]

but it was punished, so you have no point.

apart from the absolute bleeding obvious.

I was replying to NQ, have you not been following the conversation?

[Master Splinter]

are you saying that kids will now demand moves to other schools because of their favourite footballers demands?

:haha:

[Ollie the Optimist]

one point i have seen made about how rodgers cant bang on about class and loyalty is that he shipped reina out on loan to Napoli without telling him. hardly classy that

[Özim]

Sadly his Reina in goal had to come to an end sometime.

[Shaqiri Is Boss]

:lol:

We accepted a loan bid and he went willingly. And anyway, Reina was more than happy to stay.... unless Barca came calling in which case he'd have been off. He can't have it both ways if we decide to move on too.

Christ almighty.

[Grebbo]

Good to hear that Suarez won't apologise. Apologise for what? Wanting to leave Liverpool?? Pffffft

Silly move from Rodgers, no need to demand apologies. He's really showing his inexperience in all this.

[Niall_Quinn]

Breaking. Rodgers has written to Suarez's parents regarding their son's unruly behaviour.

[Kano]

Breaking. Rodgers has written to Suarez's parents regarding their son's unruly behaviour.

the bigger problem here is who is influencing this boy to behave in such a manner?

[Cripps_orig]

The biggest question is

If Suarez says sorry, will he go to heaven?

[Shaqiri Is Boss]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BRN3rRqCIAA-N58.jpg

[Özim]

:lol:

[Grebbo]

Time for a written transfer request from Suarez? Surely it's coming.

[Özim]

Time for a written transfer request from Suarez? Surely it's coming.

That will make no difference whatsoever, they'll just turn it down.