Quote Originally Posted by Arse n Wonga View Post
True but Man U have only played one game more than us and even if we added three points now we'd be 18 points behind then and 18 points ahead of the relegation zone.

The CL though doesn't at this stage reflect the quality of a side as one can have an easyish group (like us) and another team can get a much tougher group with quality teams like City, 2 of the teams in their group have got a decent chance of winning the whole thing.

Yes they've spent more money, but looking at it from a purely football side (ie quality of the team/squad) they are a better outfit.
And Reading have played two games more than us. Also, you could say we finished 19 points behind Man Utd last season so the difference between the two sides is much the same as it was (in terms of relative to the two teams, it might be that other teams have superceded us).

I don't think Ollie was saying Citeh aren't better than us but just that looking at it from a points perspective doesn't tell you anything in isolation and is all rather arbitrary. All you're doing in 'defending' them is admitting they don't have enough to compete with the very best, in European competition which I presume is what you think of us too. That comes as a huge downer on their overall ability when it comes to evaluating them. Plus, we're closer to Citeh now than where we finished last season so are we also right to assume you think we've draw closer to them this season? I would suspect you don't think that, in spite of this points 'point'.