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    Quote Originally Posted by JoshGooner View Post
    Problem is, Verms himself is a bit shit which makes it almost impossible for him to lead by example. He's probably cognizant of this and it possibly makes him think twice about barking at a total fuck up like Santos.

    We need to select a player with some grit and determination combined with knowing what the fuck he's doing on the pitch, for the captains role. Sadly, we haven't had one since Vierra.
    I don't agree with that. I rate Vermaelan and I thought he'd be a good captain, but now he is I think I was probably wrong.

    Wilshere, maybe?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Letters View Post
    I don't agree with that. I rate Vermaelan and I thought he'd be a good captain, but now he is I think I was probably wrong.

    Wilshere, maybe?
    Arteta, if anyone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner View Post
    Thats because football has changed. Not all footballers are the same. Some of the way players go down, you'd not see the old school players do that. You'd never see a Vinnie Jones Go down like he was hit by a tone of bricks.

    The game has moved on. Players are diffrent. You even see Barca players smiling after they loose games. its just the way it is.

    Poldoski, has been saying he wants to win trophies with us, before he got here and has been saying it ever since, im sure he is cut up when we lose.
    I don't agree, the game has changed but a winner is a winner...and those players hate losing. Barca hate losing you can see it from their reaction when their behind, likewise Real, Man City, Chelsea.....they react badly to losing and sometimes react stupidly (we use to).

    Nowadays we really don't seem overly bothered, there's no fight, non show of annoyance or anger....nothing really.

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    I don't think Wenger sees the captaincy as important. Well, aside from in the sense of massaging the ego of players that want out. But that's the largely continental view of most bar the British, and I agree really. Look at the successes of those who just give the captaincy to the goalkeeper or default to the most experienced player e.g. Spain for the last four years. The character of the collective will ultimately determine how successful you are, rather than someone wearing an armband. Man Utd's captaincy has been shared between four or five players (if we're talking in the sense of only the Arsenal captaincy being a hot potato), generally just dictated by experience. A lot of people on here liked whatever Van Persie was doing as captain, which was ultimately scoring a shitload of goals. Hardly the conventional shouter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Letters View Post
    I don't agree with that. I rate Vermaelan and I thought he'd be a good captain, but now he is I think I was probably wrong.

    Wilshere, maybe?
    The problem is, when Santi comes out and says, everyone listen's to Arteta more, or he is the real captain, it sort of says they don't take TV5 seriously.

    And maybe he feels they don't. I don't think Jack needs that pressure now. TV5 has had shockers this season, but i guess as being vice captain it had to be him who got it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Letters View Post
    I don't agree with that. I rate Vermaelan and I thought he'd be a good captain, but now he is I think I was probably wrong.

    Wilshere, maybe?
    What exactly don't you agree with?


    Wilshere seems a good pick. Always heading in the right direction when he gets the ball, the kind of player others would probably look up to, a quality player who can only get better - my only fear is that we'll lose him as soon as that band is strapped around arm.
    Last edited by Özil's Panoramic View; 03-11-2012 at 11:49 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner View Post
    All players do it not just ours.
    Probably but we are talking about our players here

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    Quote Originally Posted by Letters View Post
    Quoted? But you say everything he says is bullshit. When anyone else points to anything he says you dismiss it.
    When it backs up your argument you use it.
    Goalpost shifting, much?

    We haven't had a great captain since Vieira but I doubt that's because Wenger doesn't think the role is important.
    I'm sure for all his rhetoric he doesn't think our squad is good enough but he's not going to come out and say that, if we don't have a strong captain then better to underplay it than highlight it as a problem.

    I don't expect our players to be slitting their wrists after defeats but they don't exactly look happy about it.
    What are you criticising, that they might go out that evening and have a good time.
    What are they supposed to do that evening, sit at home crying? Do you think players of other teams do that? I seriously doubt it.
    Yeah he's really going to BS about that isn't he.

    He talks a helluvah lot of BS no doubt, but obviously not everything he says is, his personal feelings about how a team should be obviously aren't, those are just his opinions (wrong perhaps but opinions nonetheless).

    Like I said Wenger has said as much, in addition look at the players he signs, do you see any leaders in there? Sometimes when you lack leadership you buy a player (or several) who can offer that in addition to other things obviously.

    I really don't think we're that bothered, I watched Cazorla after our loss the other week and the guy was laughing with his pal, he's not the only one how many of our players actually look dejected after defeat? I expect some annoyance at losing, not the "we lost oh well" attitude we seem to have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ItsMe View Post
    I don't agree, the game has changed but a winner is a winner...and those players hate losing. Barca hate losing you can see it from their reaction when their behind, likewise Real, Man City, Chelsea.....they react badly to losing and sometimes react stupidly (we use to).

    Nowadays we really don't seem overly bothered, there's no fight, non show of annoyance or anger....nothing really.
    You always moan about what a bad loser Wenger is and what a dick he makes of himself when we lose (which he does). When it suits your argument you say we don't care. Clearly our players care. Do they sit around for days afterwards in tears, not wanting to see anyone? No. Do players of any club do that? No.

    I think our players care enough, they're just not good enough (to compete with the top few, we're better than most other teams)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Letters View Post
    I don't agree with that. I rate Vermaelan and I thought he'd be a good captain, but now he is I think I was probably wrong.

    Wilshere, maybe?
    Vermaelen isn't even a well disciplined defender so why the hell you would make him captain I don't know. A captain should not only be a player who is going to be a regular (and deserves to be) but also someone who clearly shows leadership ability, I'm not sure Vermaelen ever has. The problem is we don't really have any leaders as Wenger doesn't seem to think it's an important trait to have for a player.

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