Oh please. Stop being so childish. You take a high-minded approach belittling people on here as stupid, and then get all prickly when you are called on it. Get off your high horse.Originally Posted by AKBapologist
Oh please. Stop being so childish. You take a high-minded approach belittling people on here as stupid, and then get all prickly when you are called on it. Get off your high horse.
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From what I can understand, backing AW is the elite thing to do these days. Its what intellectuals do... the masses who want AW out are the dumbasses with no college education. You should be ashamed of your ignorance IBK.. in fact, I should be ashamed of myself too..
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Well, no. But your disrespect towards him is uncalled for IMO. And those who portray Wenger as this bumbling idiot are being ridiculous. For all our problems last year we still finished 4th. Whether we will this year remains to be seen and it will definitely be our hardest battle to date for a top 4 finish but that is in part because of City's billions which we can't do anything about.
4th is all we hear when it comes to Wenger these days.
Let's be honest here, which top club athlete/sportsman is happy with 4th place everytime...it's a rubbish position to be in and to hail it as some sort of great result is way off the mark.
I'm sorry but 4th place is no achievement and when you look at some of the embarrassing results he's managed to produce he shouldn't still be here IMO, the way some of his teams have gone out for matches with next to no desire and have collapsed so often is just unbelievable.
For it to happen as often as it has reflects very badly on him, as does giving away some ridiculous leads and the manner in which we have been outclassed by certain teams in recent years.
The 8-2 defeat was beyond embarrassing and the fact he still gets support after it is mystifying, he's the guy who built this team and decided he didn't need players after all, he's also the guy that sent his team out with no apparent game plan like lambs to the slaughter, he also decided that it's OK to play rookies in games against sides as good as Man U.
On top of that Man U didn't have to play as well as they could and had players out themselves. I'm sick of these supposedly "freak results", for years these were very rare, but recently they seem to be happening more and more and that's down to a guy who just doesn't know what he's doing.
He's dragging the club down IMO and making us a bit of a laughing stock, both with his actions/words and his management style.
Last edited by Özim; 07-09-2011 at 10:17 AM.
Finishing 4th sucks. But I doubt we will even manage that. But I've now come to accept that under our current model within the way the EPL is now, we have no chance at all of winning the league in the forseeable future - regardless of who manages us.
That is not to say I would like us to adopt the model of Man City or Chelsea. Far from it.
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In terms of a league 4th says you're the 4th best side in the country. Given that two of the sides above us are fuelled by billionaires it's nonsense to say it's 'no achievement.' A few sides have spent big to try and achieve it and failed. Obviously we need to suppliment a decent league finish with some trophies and that is where Wenger has failed but to keep any club in the top 4 for so long is more than any other manager bar Fergie has achieved. You're acting as though it's easy to finish in the top in the PL each season, that's obviously not true. Given that he has done that the failure to win trophies is damning but it's just plain wrong to think that any idiot could have kept us up there. Plenty of other clubs aspiring to finish in the top 4 have hired and fired other managers and given them pots of money to spend to try to get there and they've failed.
The irony is that Wenger has created these expectations. The frustration is the realisation that the same manager's shortcomings have most likely prevented us from winning any trophies for 6 years. The regret is that had those shortcomings not been present, we could probably have won the title at least once before Citeh had become a serious obstacle to doing so. The sadness is that 4th may be as good as it gets for AFC now.
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I can live with 4th being as good as it gets provided we are always trying to be 1st, and no bullshit - a genuine effort to be 1st in everything all the time. That's the absolute minimum I expect from a supposedly competitive team. 100% effort, 100% ambition and 100% desire. We don't have that at Arsenal, we have players that give less than 100%, we have ambition tuned to the balance sheet rather than the team, we have zero desire when the going gets tough. Not good enough. Manager's fault for sure in terms of what goes on on the pitch, board's fault for sure in terms of what goes on off the pitch. They can pretend the buck stops with Man City but it doesn't. Aiming for 4th is shit, shit, shit.
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I don't think Wenger wants us to be 4th - I'm sure he'd like 1st the same as we would. The 4th thing is the minimum target for the year - in effect, he is saying that we must try and have CL football each year. Looking at his face during the last few games of the season make it quite clear that he does not like coming 4th. However, the loss of revenue from not getting to at least 4th would be significant and whether he stays or another manager comes along, we need that money coming on a regular basis, plus we need the carrot of CL football to stand a chance of attracting players.
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