Match Reaction vs Stoke City (away)

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Both Liverpool and Spurs have won less than us in the last ten years, and yet you are honestly saying they wouldn't have stuck with a manager who consistently got them top four?....especially if they were looking to finance a stadium move (like Liverpool tried to do and Spurs are doing).

So are Pochetino or Klopp going to get sacked if neither wins the premier league in the next few years?

Sorry mate, but you've proved to me that you are totally full of shit.

Yes but it's not for want of trying, 4th place isn't what they are interested in, they want trophies and Wenger doesn't deliver that so would have been shown the door IMO. If they challenge for the title and don't win it they will get more leeway or if they pick up a trophy or two again it will buy them time, but ultimately there will be a time when if they don't win they'll be shown the door, both those clubs have ambitions to be successful at the end of the day.

Prove it? That's right you can't, fact is not every club is lacking ambition like Arsenal, Arsenal fans have been brought up thinking 4th place is the holy grail and thus they think all other clubs think the same way. I'll say it again no other big club would have stuck with Wenger if all he'd done is got a CL place every season without competing properly for big trophies for over a decade. Thing is this wouldn't happen at any other club, other managers would take a chance and gamble a bit more to win big trophies, which in the end could be successful or lead them to be sacked due to poor performances, Wenger is one of the few managers around who lacks any kind of ambition or need to win.