Are you talking about the real world or Wenger World?Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
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Are you talking about the real world or Wenger World?
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fine in theory, and I like the idea, but its human nature for some to be leaders and others to follow. The 11 captains thing is obviously complete twaddle!
Wenger has used the captaincy for anything and everything but leadership. Bribing players to stay was the main usage. I remember all the way back when he pissed in Gilberto's face in return for the service, loyalty and leadership that particular player gave us. Wenger has never treated the captaincy with the respect it deserves. As soon as Adams was out the captaincy effectively went in the bin.
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wrongly imo.
Wenger never ever criticises or puts pressure on his players, all he ever does is praise them, is it any surprise they never feel they have any to prove.
You can blame the players but at the end of the day, he's the guy who signs them, picks them, doesn't bring in adequate cover to create competition and is suppose who drills them tactically.
Players who aren't leaders (something Wenger doesn't believe in anyway) need guidance and leadership from the touchline, Wenger doesn't offer this either.
The buck stops with Wenger for me, he has total control over what happens, if players don't perform he has to take the blame as he signs them, picks them and doesn't give them a kick up the arse when required.
There are exceptions. Players that challenge him in some way (or he perceives as challenging him) will get criticised, usually in public. Ozil is the most recent example. If you are keeping your nose clean doing that stupid Twatter "we had a secret meeting", "we believe we can win it", "the dressing room is strong", bullshit then Wenger is happy. But come and and say we fucked up and Wenger will react. Rightly so, in some ways, because players shouldn't be raising certain issues in public. But Wenger often starts the ball rolling. His public criticism of Ozil for not scoring enough goals was a bullshit move.
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This is the thing, Wenger doesn't believe in publically criticising his players but sometimes he tends to forget this belief system. But in most press conferences it's best to think of Wenger as a company PR man who always wants to State that there are "no Americans at the airport" even when it's manifestly untrue.
What he says to the players in private is anyone's guess, I am told he has bollocked players for their conduct in public....especially those pictured smoking. And the reason for dropping Szczesny in favour of the clearly inferior Ospina was made because of the lack of respect shown by Szczesny by smoking in the shower room, which is school boy behaviour and deserved to be punished.
I think we have seen there are sacred cows at Arsenal who are undroppable no matter how poor their form (Ramsey being the most recent example of this). And i think it's unlikely he launches into tirades at his players (but then again there are instances of counter examples even to this).
On the whole it's what Wenger does rather than what he says from where you can draw conclusions, because he's so enigmatic it's usually hard to get a handle on what he's thinking.
We have no idea what he says behind the scenes. He doesn't publicly criticise the, but not should he - would you want your manager shouting at you in front of everyone? That would be extremely poor management.
The players should take some responsibility but yes, of course the buck stops with Wenger. He's responsible when we win the FA Cup, he's responsible when we fall apart when the title was there for the taking.
Wonder which person at the club selects the players, and ultimately the captain... dont think its the manager.
Arsene Wenger, the only football manager that got paid 8 million quid to do nothing but sit on his arse..
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