Super Super Quality Transfer Speculation & Shit

[AKBapologist]

no they are disgusting dirty fucking chelsea who deserve absolutely no pats on the back from us. at any point in the past or the future. absolute disgusting bucket of monkey spunk swallower's. plus the opportunity to laugh at spurs falling into the europa league was completely and utterly ruined as the dark, turgid, piss smelling cloud of chelsea hung over everything.

:good:

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[McNamara That Ghost...]

You didn't hear?

Dave Whelan has scheduled a press conference for tomorrow to announce he's having Corn Flakes. :good:

Geoff Shreeves will be there to break the news to Shreddies, and Jim White will be providing minute-by-minute commentary.

Poor Shreddies. Unwise move from Whelan.

Jim White Day is only three months and a bit away.

[GP]

Shreddies :bow:

[Ollie the Optimist]

we will see what happens next season and this summer. hopefully we get some decent players in. we dont have the cash to splash out iether, we cant do what chelsea have done in the last year and bit and thats spunk 200 odd million on players and dont forget wages added onto that. ffp is a joke. we cant compete with it however we can build a team (we've done that) that will fight to the end, we saw a lot last season of that spirit and hopefully with one or two right signings we can build on it.

[Harry]

Ok lads we ain't signing nobody.

Time to move on, get a girlfriend, work them extra shifts or gas some kurds whatever it takes to forget about Arsenal and transfers this summer.

Saddam H.

Kisses.

[Shaqiri Is Boss]

Poor Shreddies. Unwise move from Whelan.

Jim White Day is only three months and a bit away.
He heard we were after them so put a deadline on them to choose us or him.

Unfortunately RAWK wanted Cheerios.

[Dennis Bendtner]

I can understand the Chelsea move with the old guard revolution taking place. But it is just another 'club' rather than manager signing like Marin. It's an unstable situation and I am surprised he opted for that instead of Man Utd.

Having said that.

£££

Hope he's shit.

[Kano]

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[Boss]

Pretty much, people were all saying he'd be signing for Man City etc and when he doesn't it's the "easy option", what a joke.

:haha: :haha:

Quite embarrassing some of the posts on here.

Just like Ach's face.

[Cripps_orig]

:haha: :haha:

Quite embarrassing some of the posts on here.

Just like Ach's face.Never a truer word said

[Ollie the Optimist]

if the transfer fees, wages, and signing on fees are true then hazard will cost chavs 78 million. how can we compete with that?

[Niall_Quinn]

Hazard is such a moneygrabber, signing for Chelsea when Man City would have paid him more....footballers these days :rolleyes:

City refused his wage demands didn't they? Obviously the chavs haven't so that's where he's going.

[KSE Comedy Club]

Hazard is such a moneygrabber, signing for Chelsea when Man City would have paid him more....footballers these days :rolleyes:I thought roman offered him more money?

£250'000k a week compared to citehs £200'000.

[Cripps_orig]

City refused his wage demands didn't they? Obviously the chavs haven't so that's where he's going.He agreed personal terms with all of them.

He chose Chelsea cos of football reasons

[Ollie the Optimist]

his agent was also paid 6 million by chelsea, im sure that had nothing to do with his decision and was only based on footballing reasons. nothing to do with agent trying to make money

[Ollie the Optimist]

also how can hazard choose chelsea for footballing reasons when he doenst even know who the manager will be. what happens if they sign a new manager who thinks he would be better in a different posistion to the one he wants, he said he wants assuarnaces over playing time and posistion but surely with no manager they cant give that? what happens if a new manager prefers mata in hazards role? is that still footballing reasons?

[jelgoon]

Im gonna have to read up more on the new FFP rules. How can Chelsea and Man City continue to spend so much more than they earn? I know that the rules dont come in properly til 2015 (and they are phased in for clubs making huge losses when the monitoring period started) but surely the big clubs are going to be under much more scrutiny? I'm sure one of the rich bastard owners will challenge the rules in the European Court of Justice claiming unlawful restraint of trade.

[Niall_Quinn]

He agreed personal terms with all of them.

He chose Chelsea cos of football reasons

Don't be silly.

The guy has just whored himself around Europe. Smart move by him if he wants top dollar, I don't argue with that. I wouldn't even claim we were a realistic choice but if you are genuinely interested in football you go to Barca or Man Utd. If you want big cash you go to city or the chavs (or Barca the lucky ****s). Nothing hard to figure out about this player or his motives. Does this mean the chavs know who the manager will be already? Or is Hazard such a whore he really couldn't care less? The boy might get a few surprises when his ego bumps into Lumpard and Big Man.

[Özim]

What they say about Hazard
"Hazard is a very good player. He has many qualities. He is particularly rapid in the first 10 yards."
Manchester United manager Sir Alex Ferguson
"He can play in any top team in the world, today or tomorrow."
Manchester City captain Vincent Kompany
"His creative ability, his talent for unbalancing opponents, his vision of the game, and his consummate skill in making the final pass all make him an in-demand player."
Arsenal manager Arsène Wenger
"Eden is technically gifted and very fast. I would take him to Real Madrid with my eyes closed. He can become a great footballer, he is a star of the future".
Real Madrid director of football and former France international Zinedine Zidane
"Faster than Zidane, more technique than Thierry Henry."
Former France international Christophe Dugarry
"At times he looks like Lionel Messi."
Former Marseille manager Rolland Courbis

Some interesting comments there, you can ignore *******s as he talks nothing but sh*t :lol: but the rest are impressive.

[Özim]

if the transfer fees, wages, and signing on fees are true then hazard will cost chavs 78 million. how can we compete with that?
Quality cost money, Ronaldo cost a fortune but you don't see Real regretting their buy now. I agree we couldn't afford him, but he's not the only player around, we seem to want to pay peanuts, generally that buys you monkeys.

[Özim]

his agent was also paid 6 million by chelsea, im sure that had nothing to do with his decision and was only based on footballing reasons. nothing to do with agent trying to make money
From a football point of view the move makes total sense, regular football at a club with ambition who are rebuilding.

[Özim]

also how can hazard choose chelsea for footballing reasons when he doenst even know who the manager will be. what happens if they sign a new manager who thinks he would be better in a different posistion to the one he wants, he said he wants assuarnaces over playing time and posistion but surely with no manager they cant give that? what happens if a new manager prefers mata in hazards role? is that still footballing reasons?
Yeah we have the opposite problem, players won't sign for us because they know who the manager is :lol:

[KSE Comedy Club]

if the transfer fees, wages, and signing on fees are true then hazard will cost chavs 78 million. how can we compete with that?We can't and hopefully never will.

It's an obscene and ridiculous amount of money for an unproven 20 year old.

[Cripps_orig]

Don't be silly.

The guy has just whored himself around Europe. Smart move by him if he wants top dollar, I don't argue with that. I wouldn't even claim we were a realistic choice but if you are genuinely interested in football you go to Barca or Man Utd. If you want big cash you go to city or the chavs (or Barca the lucky ****s). Nothing hard to figure out about this player or his motives. Does this mean the chavs know who the manager will be already? Or is Hazard such a whore he really couldn't care less? The boy might get a few surprises when his ego bumps into Lumpard and Big Man.He'll get more playing time at Chelsea hence he went there.

Not that difficult

[Özim]

Im gonna have to read up more on the new FFP rules. How can Chelsea and Man City continue to spend so much more than they earn? I know that the rules dont come in properly til 2015 (and they are phased in for clubs making huge losses when the monitoring period started) but surely the big clubs are going to be under much more scrutiny? I'm sure one of the rich bastard owners will challenge the rules in the European Court of Justice claiming unlawful restraint of trade.
This new rule will never stop the big clubs, there's always ways round it, you know what they say, if you can beat them join them......Usmanov you know what to do :lol:

[Özim]

He'll get more playing time at Chelsea hence he went there.

Not that difficult
Yup, plus don't think Barca were in for him anyway...besides he wouldn't know who their manager is either, who does, :lol: Barca are yesterday's news, Real are the new force in Spain now

[Ollie the Optimist]

Some interesting comments there, you can ignore *******s as he talks nothing but sh*t :lol: but the rest are impressive.

so you say he is talented and went to chelsea becuase big clubs deserve the best players etc and when our manager calls him a good player and praises him you sya he is talking shit. right :blink:

[Özim]

so you say he is talented and went to chelsea becuase big clubs deserve the best players etc and when our manager calls him a good player and praises him you sya he is talking shit. right :blink:
Yeah because it seems 99% of what our manager (and I use the term loosely because he's become more of a glorified scout in recent years and not a great one either) says these days is nonsense (his own doing let's be honest).

There's 1% truth of course but it's hard to tell what that is, maybe this was it this year.

[Cripps_orig]

Yup, plus don't think Barca were in for him anyway...besides he wouldn't know who their manager is either, who does, :lol: Barca are yesterday's news, Real are the new force in Spain nowPretty much.

Its good to see Hazard restore the fans faith in players in a time where most just go for the money, he went for football reasons

Hope he flops though

[KSE Comedy Club]

Pretty much.

Its good to see Hazard restore the fans faith in players in a time where most just go for the money, he went for football reasons

Hope he flops thoughWell, he's restored the faith in 2 fans, but fortunately the rest of us can see him for what he is :good:

Anyway, can we stop talking about this c.unt now?

Hes the enemy no matter where he goes, fucking vermin.

[Ollie the Optimist]

Yeah because it seems 99% of what our manager (and I use the term loosely because he's become more of a glorified scout in recent years and not a great one either) says is nonsense (his own doing let's be honest).

There's 1% truth of course but it's hard to tell what that is, maybe this was it this year.

i dont understnad you at all, we didnt get hazard so you moan about wenger not knowing who is a good player etc then he praises one and you say he doesnt know anything and is talking shit.

he really cant win with you can he?

[Ollie the Optimist]

He'll get more playing time at Chelsea hence he went there.

Not that difficult

but that cant be guarenteed at all. what happens if the new manager feels he is better out wide instead of in the middle, or prefers mata to him. if they had a manager then yes thats fine but htey dont so he cannot be guanretted football

[Özim]

i dont understnad you at all, we didnt get hazard so you moan about wenger not knowing who is a good player etc then he praises one and you say he doesnt know anything and is talking shit.

he really cant win with you can he?
No can't stand him, he's past his sell by date and should have left several years ago, sadly he's still here repeating the same mistakes and coming out with the same thing he has been doing for 6 years.

I have lost respect for him, but that's of his own doing, he picks up his 7+ million paycheck and settles for 4th and is actually proud of his achievement all whilst the fans fund his lifestyle...sickening, about as sickening as the board who line their pockets.

[Ollie the Optimist]

From a football point of view the move makes total sense, regular football at a club with ambition who are rebuilding.

yes a club that went from second to sixth. impressive.

and you dont think we are rebuilding? we dont need a whole squad ffs, we need only three or four players and we can really challenge. last season we overhauled a 13 point gap to get champions league football. this year if we have a good start we can challenge at the top. we have a squad who knows what it is to turn games around (we hold the record for constective wins from losing positions). we had a shit start yes, but if we dont this year then who knows?

[Özim]

Well, he's restored the faith in 2 fans, but fortunately the rest of us can see him for what he is :good:

Anyway, can we stop talking about this c.unt now?

Hes the enemy no matter where he goes, fucking vermin.
Yeah just like every decent player that walks away from us right?

I don't blame players for leaving us, we give them no reason to stay, he wants to win stuff and has the chance, why not maximise his value whilst he's at it, makes sense really.

Chelsea want to win trophies and he'll get games, the move makes sense for him. I'd love us to get some quality players of course, sadly we won't see that in the near future.

[Niall_Quinn]

He'll get more playing time at Chelsea hence he went there.

Not that difficult

How do you know that? Are you saying Utd wouldn't have played him? I'm pretty sure they would have and there's a much more stable environment there too. Are you saying the fact he ended up at the club who agreed to pay him the most is a happy coincidence, considering his antics leading up to this transfer? You get yourself in all sorts of twists trying to find new ways to criticise Wenger.

[Ollie the Optimist]

No can't stand him, he's past his sell by date and should have left several years ago, sadly he's still here repeating the same mistakes and coming out with the same thing he has been doing for 6 years.

I have lost respect for him, but that's of his own doing, he picks up his 7+ million paycheck and settles for 4th and is actually proud of his achievement all whilst the fans fund his lifestyle...sickening, about as sickening as the board who line their pockets.

apart from this year when we improved to third. he cares about this club and for you to say he just wants fourth and money is stupid. if you cant see that he cares from the way he acts and does his best for this club then you sir are a moron

[Özim]

yes a club that went from second to sixth. impressive.

and you dont think we are rebuilding? we dont need a whole squad ffs, we need only three or four players and we can really challenge. last season we overhauled a 13 point gap to get champions league football. this year if we have a good start we can challenge at the top. we have a squad who knows what it is to turn games around (we hold the record for constective wins from losing positions). we had a shit start yes, but if we dont this year then who knows?
No I don't think we're rebuilding, we've been in the same place for 6 years, there's no rebuilding here, well not unless you include rebuilding the bank balance (not sure it ever disappeared though).

We'll be in the same place as long as Wenger is here and as long as noone pushes the board to invest, stagnation, we're going nowhere.

[Özim]

apart from this year when we improved to third. he cares about this club and for you to say he just wants fourth and money is stupid. if you cant see that he cares from the way he acts and does his best for this club then you sir are a moron
Wow what an achievement, 3rd above a team who totally bottled it after their manager was hyped up as the new England manager. 4th is what he's happy with and 7 million makes him even happier, the guy has no ambition, he's an economist not a top manager.

What he does isn't the best for the club, coming 4th every season does us no favours internationally or from a marketing point of view, if you want to increase your marketability you have to be successful. It does make the owners and board very happy though, so who gives a toss what the fans want :good:

[Cripps_orig]

How do you know that? Are you saying Utd wouldn't have played him? I'm pretty sure they would have and there's a much more stable environment there too. Are you saying the fact he ended up at the club who agreed to pay him the most is a happy coincidence, considering his antics leading up to this transfer? You get yourself in all sorts of twists trying to find new ways to criticise Wenger.Again i must reiterate that Hazard had agreed personal terms with all 3 clubs and his decision was based on who could offer him most playing time.

Looks like Chelsea won out.

Hence it was a footballing decision

[Ollie the Optimist]

No I don't think we're rebuilding, we've been in the same place for 6 years, there's no rebuilding here, well not unless you include rebuilding the bank balance (not sure it ever disappeared though).

We'll be in the same place as long as Wenger is here and as long as noone pushes the board to invest, stagnation, we're going nowhere.

did you watch last season at all? or did you jsut stick your fingers in your ears, go la la la la wenger still the same, we are still the same without actually knowing what you are talking about?

last year we had a team, a real team who played for each other, gave their all and actually came back to acheive something that was written off by everyone in the summer. of course if you watched games you would see this but all you see is wenger is a ****

[Niall_Quinn]

Yeah just like every decent player that walks away from us right?

I don't blame players for leaving us, we give them no reason to stay, he wants to win stuff and has the chance, why not maximise his value whilst he's at it, makes sense really.

Chelsea want to win trophies and he'll get games, the move makes sense for him. I'd love us to get some quality players of course, sadly we won't see that in the near future.

You don't blame players for failing to deliver and then jumping ship, but you do blame the manager? If you are sickened by a player like Nasri then what nightmare vision of the game do you endorse? Do you think we are all better off as players like Nasri proliferate and players like Le Tissier are scorned? Fair enough if that's the way you like it but I'd prefer the exact opposite.

[Cripps_orig]

but that cant be guarenteed at all. what happens if the new manager feels he is better out wide instead of in the middle, or prefers mata to him. if they had a manager then yes thats fine but htey dont so he cannot be guanretted football:lol:

Roman will play him wherever the hell Hazard wants to play regardless of who the new manager is

[Ollie the Optimist]

Wow what an achievement, 3rd above a team who totally bottled it after their manager was hyped up as the new England manager. 4th is what he's happy with and 7 million makes him even happier, the guy has no ambition, he's an economist not a top manager.

What he does isn't the best for the club, coming 4th every season does us no favours internationally or from a marketing point of view, if you want to increase your marketability you have to be successful. It does make the owners and board very happy though, so who gives a toss what the fans want :good:

agian you are giving us no credit for the scums collapse but then you wouldnt as that means praising wenger and actually admiting he did something good

[Ollie the Optimist]

You don't blame players for failing to deliver and then jumping ship, but you do blame the manager? If you are sickened by a player like Nasri then what nightmare vision of the game do you endorse? Do you think we are all better off as players like Nasri proliferate and players like Le Tissier are scorned? Fair enough if that's the way you like it but I'd prefer the exact opposite.

i agree, manager takes some of the blame for not motivating them etc but if a player on the pitch cant be arsed to put in a shift and just picks up his paycheck gets no stick in zimms eyes. the exact thing that seems to piss him off about wenger

[Cripps_orig]

Well, he's restored the faith in 2 fans, but fortunately the rest of us can see him for what he is :good:

Anyway, can we stop talking about this c.unt now?

Hes the enemy no matter where he goes, fucking vermin.And what is that?

I can understand the dislike for him cos he joined a "rival" but lets face facts here. If he wanted money, he'd have gone to Man City or Man Utd. He wanted to play and he chose Chelsea.

But i agree, hes the enemy so fuck him

[Özim]

did you watch last season at all? or did you jsut stick your fingers in your ears, go la la la la wenger still the same, we are still the same without actually knowing what you are talking about?

last year we had a team, a real team who played for each other, gave their all and actually came back to acheive something that was written off by everyone in the summer. of course if you watched games you would see this but all you see is wenger is a ****
Yes I did and most of what I saw was sh*t frankly.

Saw a lot of awful results, 10 defeats in the league, out of all competitions by February that says enough for me and you're hailing this as an achievement? F*ck me how standards have fallen.

[Ollie the Optimist]

:lol:

Roman will play him wherever the hell Hazard wants to play regardless of who the new manager is

hazard is just one ego as well in that team. what happens if mata wants that position or someone else. it will cause chaos.

[KSE Comedy Club]

Wow what an achievement, 3rd above a team who totally bottled it after their manager was hyped up as the new England manager. 4th is what he's happy with and 7 million makes him even happier, the guy has no ambition, he's an economist not a top manager.

What he does isn't the best for the club, coming 4th every season does us no favours internationally or from a marketing point of view, if you want to increase your marketability you have to be successful. It does make the owners and board very happy though, so who gives a toss what the fans want :good:Well tbf, spuds bottled it but so should we have by all accounts, after all thats what we do every year, isn't it?

But we didn't.

[Niall_Quinn]

Again i must reiterate that Hazard had agreed personal terms with all 3 clubs and his decision was based on who could offer him most playing time.

Looks like Chelsea won out.

Hence it was a footballing decision

And how do you know any of that? Is that what is agent claims? In which case it must be true, the highest bidder thing is merely coincidence. I think nobody would have said much about this guy - big deal, the chavs splashing the cash as always. But it was the way he shamelessly whored himself out that attracted the attention.

[Ollie the Optimist]

Yes I did and most of what I saw was sh*t frankly.

Saw a lot of awful results, 10 defeats in the league, out of all competitions by February that says enough for me and you're hailing this as an achievement? F*ck me how standards have fallen.

so you didnt see any good results then or did they just annoy you as it meant you couldnt bash wenger

[Cripps_orig]

Arsene Wenger is reportedly ready to mount a bid for Man City midfielder Nigel De Jong, 27, as he looks to add more steel to his Arsenal squad.
Full story: Caught offside

Long-term Arsenal target Mathieu Valbuena, 27, will not leave Marseille this summer, he has confirmed.
Full story: talkSPORT

Wouldnt mind De Jong here.

Valbuenas fallen off the radar a bit hasnt he?

[Özim]

You don't blame players for failing to deliver and then jumping ship, but you do blame the manager? If you are sickened by a player like Nasri then what nightmare vision of the game do you endorse? Do you think we are all better off as players like Nasri proliferate and players like Le Tissier are scorned? Fair enough if that's the way you like it but I'd prefer the exact opposite.
No I blame Wenger, he's the guy that brings them in and should motivate them, or ship them out when they're not right, he doesn't. Nasri like others before, from Cole onwards left to win...sure they got more money but winning played it's part....and if you look at Cole and Nasri I don't think they regret it. These guys could have been part of a great team if we'd had more ambition, fact is we sell our best players all the time, do you honestly expect our better players to stay when they see this happening all the time?

Nasri doesn't set a great example, but we're interested in profits at the expense of the team watching top players walking away is to be expected.

[Niall_Quinn]

Wouldnt mind De Jong here.

Valbuenas fallen off the radar a bit hasnt he?

Fucking hell, De Jong. That would be a new low.

[Cripps_orig]

And how do you know any of that? Is that what is agent claims? In which case it must be true, the highest bidder thing is merely coincidence. I think nobody would have said much about this guy - big deal, the chavs splashing the cash as always. But it was the way he shamelessly whored himself out that attracted the attention.Cos that is what he said in articles/reports etc

Or do we just go on articles/reports which suggest he was whoring himself out to clubs?

You have no trouble believing those ones.

A classic GW trait. Believing only what you want to believe even when the truth is out there

[Özim]

agian you are giving us no credit for the scums collapse but then you wouldnt as that means praising wenger and actually admiting he did something good
I'd praise him if he walked away, it would take guts to admit you've failed. :good:

[Cripps_orig]

hazard is just one ego as well in that team. what happens if mata wants that position or someone else. it will cause chaos.Then all the better for us

[Özim]

Well tbf, spuds bottled it but so should we have by all accounts, after all thats what we do every year, isn't it?

But we didn't.
We tried very hard, as it turns out they outbottled us and we scuffed it :lol:

[Özim]

so you didnt see any good results then or did they just annoy you as it meant you couldnt bash wenger
There was a few year, but the 8-2 humiliation was unacceptable and he should have been sacked on the spot after that, Man U didn't even play well.

The single most embarrassing moment as an Arsenal fan for me and the worst defeat for what 100 years, totally unacceptable to concede 8 goals to be honest, for a top club anyway.

[Ollie the Optimist]

No I blame Wenger, he's the guy that brings them in and should motivate them, or ship them out when they're not right, he doesn't. Nasri like others before, from Cole onwards left to win...sure they got more money but winning played it's part....and if you look at Cole and Nasri I don't think they regret it. These guys could have been part of a great team if we'd had more ambition, fact is we sell our best players all the time, do you honestly expect our better players to stay when they see this happening all the time?

Nasri doesn't set a great example, but we're interested in profits at the expense of the team watching top players walking away is to be expected.

so nasri who played in the CC final and had a chance to win something with us, went missing in the final and did nothing yet you dont blame him at all and understand him leaving to win stuff but blame wenger for not motivating him. right. nasri did nothing to help us but its all wengers fault

[Özim]

Wouldnt mind De Jong here.

Valbuenas fallen off the radar a bit hasnt he?
Yeah De Jong is good, but would he sign for us from Man City, unlikely I would think...plus he can tackle can't he? That rules him out :lol:

[Özim]

Fucking hell, De Jong. That would be a new low.
He's an excellent player, better than most of the shite we have to be honest, don't worry though he won't sign.

[Niall_Quinn]

No I blame Wenger, he's the guy that brings them in and should motivate them, or ship them out when they're not right, he doesn't. Nasri like others before, from Cole onwards left to win...sure they got more money but winning played it's part....and if you look at Cole and Nasri I don't think they regret it. These guys could have been part of a great team if we'd had more ambition, fact is we sell our best players all the time, do you honestly expect our better players to stay when they see this happening all the time?

Nasri doesn't set a great example, but we're interested in profits at the expense of the team watching top players walking away is to be expected.

Yes we are interested in profits at the expense of the team. I don't think anyone could make a convincing case that disproved this fact. And yet Wenger still keeps us in the top flight even though the poor fucker has to make profits in the transfer window when his competition are busy creating losses that would sink any normal business.

I don't like the way the club operates, not one bit. But ignoring Wenger's achievements against all odds and focusing entirely on his failures is unreasonable. The constant drone of criticism doesn't change things. Only Stan can make the changes and he chooses not to.

[Özim]

so nasri who played in the CC final and had a chance to win something with us, went missing in the final and did nothing yet you dont blame him at all and understand him leaving to win stuff but blame wenger for not motivating him. right. nasri did nothing to help us but its all wengers fault
Like I said I blame Wenger, the whole thing was unprofessional and that comes from the manager, a top manager would make sure his players are focussed and that they arrived in suits.

Top teams very rarely lose to smaller teams in semi finals/finals, the fact we did chose our lack of focus and that's down to the manager, he pampers the players too much.

[Ollie the Optimist]

Like I said I blame Wenger, the whole thing was unprofessional and that comes from the manager.

so a team, who are played by the club are free from blame for not turning up in a final yet you blame wenger 100%

[Niall_Quinn]

Cos that is what he said in articles/reports etc

Or do we just go on articles/reports which suggest he was whoring himself out to clubs?

You have no trouble believing those ones.

A classic GW trait. Believing only what you want to believe even when the truth is out there

Well he was the one doing the whoring. The fucker was walking around with a mattress strapped to his back for the last month. So he hoovers up the biggest offer and now he's doing the "football reasons" thing? And you believe that? Why? I don't see the anti-Wenger angle in all this, but I'm sure there must be one.

[Özim]

Yes we are interested in profits at the expense of the team. I don't think anyone could make a convincing case that disproved this fact. And yet Wenger still keeps us in the top flight even though the poor fucker has to make profits in the transfer window when his competition are busy creating losses that would sink any normal business.

I don't like the way the club operates, not one bit. But ignoring Wenger's achievements against all odds and focusing entirely on his failures is unreasonable. The constant drone of criticism doesn't change things. Only Stan can make the changes and he chooses not to.
I don't rate Wenger, I don't rate any top manager at a top club that accepts losing as easily as he does and goes beyond that and praises it. I don't give a toss about 3rd/4th place it's meaningless, it takes us into a competition about money where we just make up the numbers, I take no pleasure from that.

What kind of manager goes 6 years winning nothing and is happy with his achievements? Not a top one that's for sure, he's an economist not a top manager sadly for us.

[Ollie the Optimist]

Like I said I blame Wenger, the whole thing was unprofessional and that comes from the manager, a top manager would make sure his players are focussed and that they arrived in suits.

Top teams very rarely lose to smaller teams in semi finals/finals, the fact we did chose our lack of focus and that's down to the manager, he pampers the players too much.

given that wenger always made the players wear suits in finals before, why would he change? could have been the players asking not to wear them etc. cant always be his fault ffs.

if players are not focused and motivated for a final knowing how much it means to fans then that says more about them then wenger imo

[Niall_Quinn]

He's an excellent player, better than most of the shite we have to be honest, don't worry though he won't sign.

But he's a filthy **** who we've hated for years. Why the hell would we want him here now? Why don't we just sign van Nistlerooy and be done with it? Or Teddy Sherringham?

[Özim]

so a team, who are played by the club are free from blame for not turning up in a final yet you blame wenger 100%
Yes, his team, his players, his tactics, his discipline, his unprofesionnalism.

The team are a reflection of the manager, a soft touch basically.

[Özim]

But he's a filthy **** who we've hated for years. Why the hell would we want him here now? Why don't we just sign van Nistlerooy and be done with it? Or Teddy Sherringham?
I don't hate him at all, don't have anything against him. I'd welcome any top player to the club, makes a change from the leeches who've been feeding off the club doing nothing on the pitch for years. I'd rather have a player who earns his money than one who's sh*t and doesn't.

[Ollie the Optimist]

Yes, his team, his players, his tactics, his discipline, his unprofesionnalism.

The team are a reflection of the manager, a soft touch basically.

ok fine, but this year, we were 4-0 down at half time against milan, out of all cups and the league and two nil down at home to the scum and if we lsot that, cl football has gone. what happened was we won and fucking hammered them too and then beat liverpool, city, everton ando thers and got third. doesnt aht show something happened or will you credit the players for that form and not wenger?

[Cripps_orig]

Well he was the one doing the whoring. The fucker was walking around with a mattress strapped to his back for the last month. So he hoovers up the biggest offer and now he's doing the "football reasons" thing? And you believe that? Why? I don't see the anti-Wenger angle in all this, but I'm sure there must be one.The biggest offer was no doubt from City. I dont think he joined them.

He said he talked to all 3 clubs, agreed personal terms with all 3 but his decision he said would be based on where he plays most.

Now we know. If that isnt down to football reasons then what is?

And lets say you are right and he did go for money? So what? Its what every single person in every job would do. All that shows is Hazard is human. Do we critisise him for being human? You dont have to answer that cos you arent right.

[Cripps_orig]

But he's a filthy **** who we've hated for years. Why the hell would we want him here now? Why don't we just sign van Nistlerooy and be done with it? Or Teddy Sherringham?Why do we hate De Jong?

[Ollie the Optimist]

The biggest offer was no doubt from City. I dont think he joined them.

He said he talked to all 3 clubs, agreed personal terms with all 3 but his decision he said would be based on where he plays most.

Now we know. If that isnt down to football reasons then what is?

And lets say you are right and he did go for money? So what? Its what every single person in every job would do. All that shows is Hazard is human. Do we critisise him for being human? You dont have to answer that cos you arent right.

he said before the CL final that he will be playing in manchester. you telling me the chavs didnt come in with mega bucks to sway him

[Özim]

ok fine, but this year, we were 4-0 down at half time against milan, out of all cups and the league and two nil down at home to the scum and if we lsot that, cl football has gone. what happened was we won and fucking hammered them too and then beat liverpool, city, everton ando thers and got third. doesnt aht show something happened or will you credit the players for that form and not wenger?
We got knocked out of CL, the win was meaningless as we lost 4-3 in the end, I'd soone have lost 2-1 in the away leg and won the return 1-0, that would be a much better performance and result.

So we won a few games, with the Spurs game being the highlight, a season is made up of a lot more games, not just a few good wins, there's plenty of games we didn't perform in, many we lost some we won.

I don't credit Wenger because I don't rate it as a particularly great achievement since 3rd place is meaningless in my book.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Cripps I don't think personal terms were agreed, if they were he'd have actually spoken with all three clubs. It was a transfer fee that was agreed, I think.

[Niall_Quinn]

I don't rate Wenger, I don't rate any top manager at a top club that accepts losing as easily as he does and goes beyond that and praises it. I don't give a toss about 3rd/4th place it's meaningless, it takes us into a competition about money where we just make up the numbers, I take no pleasure from that.

What kind of manager goes 6 years winning nothing and is happy with his achievements? Not a top one that's for sure, he's an economist not a top manager sadly for us.

Most managers go 6 years winning nothing, especially in leagues where money is the determinant factor. We should have beaten that scummy team in the CC, that was a fuck up. But even winning that we'd still be listening to "what manager goes 6 years with only a CC win?" Criticism is fine but when every single possible reason to criticise is dragged up 24/7 it's boring. For all our faults as a club we're still the 3rd best in England having spent a NEGATIVE amount on transfers because of the greedy bastards that run the place. But it's always Wenger this, Wenger that.

[Niall_Quinn]

Why do we hate De Jong?

What?

Cause he's city scum.

[fakeyank]

his agent was also paid 6 million by chelsea, im sure that had nothing to do with his decision and was only based on footballing reasons. nothing to do with agent trying to make money

Source?

You pick and chose what you want to hear about Chelsea, Utd and other clubs but when our board officially come out and say that AW has transfer funds to spend and yet AW does not spend a dime and go along with the 2% domination, waiting period etc, you think there is something going on in the background where the board is withholding money from AW and AW is working in conditions worse than a child labor in Bangladesh.

Unofficial Twitter garbage >> Official quotes

[Niall_Quinn]

The biggest offer was no doubt from City. I dont think he joined them.

He said he talked to all 3 clubs, agreed personal terms with all 3 but his decision he said would be based on where he plays most.

Now we know. If that isnt down to football reasons then what is?

And lets say you are right and he did go for money? So what? Its what every single person in every job would do. All that shows is Hazard is human. Do we critisise him for being human? You dont have to answer that cos you arent right.

How do you know the biggest offer was from city? The only thing we've heard from them (which may or may not be true like anything lese) is they WOULDN'T meet his wage demands. That doesn't sound like agreeing terms to me.

[Cripps_orig]

he said before the CL final that he will be playing in manchester. you telling me the chavs didnt come in with mega bucks to sway himHe said after it that Chelseas win made him change his mind

[Özim]

Most managers go 6 years winning nothing, especially in leagues where money is the determinant factor. We should have beaten that scummy team in the CC, that was a fuck up. But even winning that we'd still be listening to "what manager goes 6 years with only a CC win?" Criticism is fine but when every single possible reason to criticise is dragged up 24/7 it's boring. For all our faults as a club we're still the 3rd best in England having spent a NEGATIVE amount on transfers because of the greedy bastards that run the place. But it's always Wenger this, Wenger that.
Nonsense, top managers don't they won't accept that, they pick up trophies on the way, he's not a top manager.

Sorry but 6 years of largely cr*p if I'm honest isn't good enough, we've been predictable, lazy, lacked organisation and tactics and have seen the same problems year on year, in addition failing to plan for the loss of our better players, that's not management that's complacency, the guy never learns from his mistakes and always has an excuse, he's had his chance blown it big time and somehow he' still here? He should gone several years ago.

It amazes me you criticise footballers and yet don't criticise a manager earning 7+ million a year when he's winning nothing and no I couldn't give a toss what the board thinks, he should have more pride in his job than that...unless money is the only thing he's interested in of course!

[Cripps_orig]

Cripps I don't think personal terms were agreed, if they were he'd have actually spoken with all three clubs. It was a transfer fee that was agreed, I think.
His agent says terms have been agreed with all three. All that remains is for Belgian ace Hazard — whose buyout clause is around £30million — to pick who he wants to join.

http://www.manutd.com/en/News-And-Features/What-The-Papers-Say/2012/May/papers-eden-hazard-will-decide-on-his-future-in-ten-days.aspx

[Cripps_orig]

What?

Cause he's city scum.Fair point

[Ollie the Optimist]

Nonsense, top managers don't they won't accept that, they pick up trophies on the way, he's not a top manager.

Sorry but 6 years of largely cr*p if I'm honest isn't good enough, we've been predictable, lazy, lacked organisation and tactics and have seen the same problems year on year, in addition failing to plan for the loss of our better players, that's not management that's complacency, the guy never learns from his mistakes and always has an excuse, he's had his chance blown it big time and somehow he' still here? He should gone several years ago.

It amazes me you criticise footballers and yet don't criticise a manager earning 7+ million a year when he's winning nothing and no I couldn't give a toss what the board thinks, he should have more pride in his job than that...unless money is the only thing he's interested in of course!

that exactly what you do except the other way round and you are pulling someone else up on it? jesus wept

[Cripps_orig]

How do you know the biggest offer was from city? The only thing we've heard from them (which may or may not be true like anything lese) is they WOULDN'T meet his wage demands. That doesn't sound like agreeing terms to me.Cos its City?

They have nothing else to offer but money.

They dont have a history, tradition etc

[Niall_Quinn]

Nonsense, top managers don't they won't accept that, they pick up trophies on the way, he's not a top manager.

Sorry but 6 years of largely cr*p if I'm honest isn't good enough, we've been predictable, lazy, lacked organisation and tactics and have seen the same problems year on year, that's not management that's complacency, the guy never learns from his mistakes and always has an excuse, he's had his chance blown it big time and somehow he' still here? He should gone several years ago.

It amazes me you criticise footballers and yet don't criticise a manager earning 7+ million a year when he's winning nothing and no I couldn't give a toss what the board thinks, he should have more pride in his job than that...unless money is the only thing he's interested in of course!

Wenger has no pride in his job? Are you serious? You don't care what the people who run the club think?

I don't just criticise players, I criticise the lot. Players, managers, boards, the authorities, the media, everyone who is turning football to shit. But some people just criticise Wenger. That's it. He's responsible for everything ranging from team selection to the Titanic and Apollo 13.

[Niall_Quinn]

Cos its City?

They have nothing else to offer but money.

They dont have a history, tradition etc

Okay, I get you. You're just making stuff up to support a bad argument. :good:

[Ollie the Optimist]

Cos its City?

They have nothing else to offer but money.

They dont have a history, tradition etc

and chelsea do? :lol:

[Cripps_orig]

Wenger has no pride in his job? Are you serious? You don't care what the people who run the club think?

I don't just criticise players, I criticise the lot. Players, managers, boards, the authorities, the media, everyone who is turning football to shit. But some people just criticise Wenger. That's it. He's responsible for everything ranging from team selection to the Titanic and Apollo 13.You've never critisised Wenger. You'll blame the board for hiring/keeping him in the job but never outright critisise him regardless of how many of the mistakes hes made this season

[Cripps_orig]

and chelsea do? :lol:CL winners tbh

[Ollie the Optimist]

CL winners tbh

after spending a billion quid in 8 years. great tradition and history. well done them. would htey ahve won it without romans money? would htey fuck

[Niall_Quinn]

You've never critisised Wenger. You'll blame the board for hiring/keeping him in the job but never outright critisise him regardless of how many of the mistakes hes made this season

LOL, that's such bullshit. Every week, on 72 minutes, I put the boot in.

[Özim]

that exactly what you do except the other way round and you are pulling someone else up on it? jesus wept
Not really, Hazard is moving to win, the bottler just stays and picks up his money to lose.

[Cripps_orig]

Okay, I get you. You're just making stuff up to support a bad argument. :good:Ah the old "its ok for me to make stuff up but if you do then its a bad argument" reason

Classic GW trait there.

Tell me, how do you know Chelsea offered the biggest contract despite everything pointing to the contrary?

Oh did you just make that up as well?

[Ollie the Optimist]

Not really, Hazard is moving to win, the bottler just stays and picks up his money to lose.

no its exactly what you do. remember when we were talking about nasri and wenger and you blamed wenger 100% not hte players, and now you call someone else up on blaming players not wenger? pot kettle black

[Cripps_orig]

after spending a billion quid in 8 years. great tradition and history. well done them. would htey ahve won it without romans money? would htey fuckThats how fans see it.

Players dont

[AKBapologist]

@NQAre you new here? :lol:

Sent from my HTC One X using Tapatalk 2

[McNamara That Ghost...]

http://www.manutd.com/en/News-And-Features/What-The-Papers-Say/2012/May/papers-eden-hazard-will-decide-on-his-future-in-ten-days.aspx

That doesn't say personal terms. It's not as though he has signed a contract with all three clubs, that will come soon when everything is finalised.

[Ollie the Optimist]

Thats how fans see it.

Players dont

they just see $$$$$$$

[Özim]

Wenger has no pride in his job? Are you serious? You don't care what the people who run the club think?

I don't just criticise players, I criticise the lot. Players, managers, boards, the authorities, the media, everyone who is turning football to shit. But some people just criticise Wenger. That's it. He's responsible for everything ranging from team selection to the Titanic and Apollo 13.
No I don't think he does, if he did 4th would be something to be proud of every year, he pulls out statistics about sh*t noone cares about, losers have to though as they have no trophies to show.

Wenger and the board are the problem, it's Wenger's team though he builds it, signs the players, manages them, deals with tactics, diets, coaching etc...so if the players don't do their job or aren't up to scratch he's to blame yes.

[Cripps_orig]

That doesn't say personal terms. It's not as though he has signed a contract with all three clubs, that will come soon when everything is finalised.I assume it was verbal and then once he decided on who to join, they put it on paper? Would be the common sense thing to do.

Fuck knows, ive never been privy to a contract negotiation. I let my assistant manager sort that on FM

[Özim]

and chelsea do? :lol:
Yes to a point, in the last 10 years or so they've been right up there, it's recent history but it's fresh in everyone's mind.

[Cripps_orig]

they just see $$$$$$$Not Hazard by the looks of it

[Ollie the Optimist]

Yes to a point, in the last 10 years or so they've been right up there, it's recent history but it's fresh in everyone's mind.

and where would they be without money? doing fuck all. challengeing for fourth then within a year after spending millions they are champions. deserved history right there :rolleyes:

[Özim]

no its exactly what you do. remember when we were talking about nasri and wenger and you blamed wenger 100% not hte players, and now you call someone else up on blaming players not wenger? pot kettle black
Wenger is to blame, I've always blamed him as he's built this team, everything at this club is about him, how can he not take the blame for the playing side?

I do blame Wenger for Nasri (and the board), we had no ambition (players have been urging us to sign quality for years) and we paid the price, better players won't want to stay with a losing team.

[Niall_Quinn]

Ah the old "its ok for me to make stuff up but if you do then its a bad argument" reason

Classic GW trait there.

Tell me, how do you know Chelsea offered the biggest contract despite everything pointing to the contrary?

Oh did you just make that up as well?

I don't. I'm assuming based on the behaviour of the player over the last few weeks, actions vs words etc. It's an opinion. Nobody can know for sure until it is confirmed, which I'm sure it will be. I haven't made any claims along the lines you have. I just think it's sad to see a 21 year old kid either being so manipulated by a leech agent or genuinely so greedy as to burn his own character in public. When I see him do that I assume there can be only one reason he would go to such lengths. But you say no - there is some sort of noble motive underpinning this whorefest? Well okay, but it doesn't sound in any way reasonable.

[Özim]

and where would they be without money? doing fuck all. challengeing for fourth then within a year after spending millions they are champions. deserved history right there :rolleyes:
Irrelevant, the history books will show their successes...they won't show our 4th places however, noone remembers losers, or statistics about qualifying for the CL 15 years running or something :lol:

[GunnerFan4Life]

Twitter newspaper claim Ganso a done deal.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

I assume it was verbal and then once he decided on who to join, they put it on paper? Would be the common sense thing to do.

Fuck knows, ive never been privy to a contract negotiation. I let my assistant manager sort that on FM

Seems like an odd way of doing it to me. I don't doubt Chelsea have offered more wages than Man Utd and on this occasion quite possibly Citeh too. Not making a judgement call on that side of it but personally, I think it's a really odd move going to Chelsea (in comparison to Man Utd). Having said that, a player isn't going to think about the inevitable new manager coming in, try to be more expansive with them, results suffer, Old Boys sans Dids reject it, Big Man reverts it by January, pub their way to results for the remainder of the season. Rinse and repeat.

[Özim]

Twitter newspaper claim Ganso a done deal.
Who?

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Twitter newspaper claim Ganso a done deal.

Twitter have a newspaper? And FFS this ruins Fernando Llorente Day.

[Cripps_orig]

I don't. I'm assuming based on the behaviour of the player over the last few weeks, actions vs words etc. It's an opinion. Nobody can know for sure until it is confirmed, which I'm sure it will be. I haven't made any claims along the lines you have. I just think it's sad to see a 21 year old kid either being so manipulated by a leech agent or genuinely so greedy as to burn his own character in public. When I see him do that I assume there can be only one reason he would go to such lengths. But you say no - there is some sort of noble motive underpinning this whorefest? Well okay, but it doesn't sound in any way reasonable.But i too am going by what has been said by both agent and player.

Plenty of articles around. Google is your friend

[Niall_Quinn]

Who?

:gp:

[Cripps_orig]

Twitter newspaper claim Ganso a done deal.Ganso and Llorente on the same day

Impressive

[Cripps_orig]

Who?New Denilson who is the old Arteta who was the new Cesc who is the new Vieira

[Niall_Quinn]

But i too am going by what has been said by both agent and player.

Plenty of articles around. Google is your friend

And I'm going on how the player and agent have conducted themselves. I can't recall seeing such a whorefest. It makes me suspicious that money might be the root of this saga. More likely than footballing reasons even.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Who?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBv0Op9mzas

[Özim]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBv0Op9mzas
:lol:

[Niall_Quinn]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBv0Op9mzas

Is Ganso the English way of pronouncing Goetze? Or are we signing an imaginary player made of pixels?

[Cripps_orig]

Who?http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2896/premier-league/2012/01/06/2833452/who-is-ganso-i-have-never-even-heard-of-him-harry-redknapp

[Niall_Quinn]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=xgoUAM_Zkus

This could be real. He looks a tricky character with lots of backheel flicks and tippy tappy and he has seems to posses a prolific lack of end product.

[fakeyank]

Twitter newspaper claim Ganso a done deal.

This ni**a just had knee surgery. Clearly a done deal since he will be crocked and be like a new signing in 2013.

[fakeyank]

Wenger is to blame, I've always blamed him as he's built this team, everything at this club is about him, how can he not take the blame for the playing side?

I do blame Wenger for Nasri (and the board), we had no ambition (players have been urging us to sign quality for years) and we paid the price, better players won't want to stay with a losing team.

Never has truer words been said on GW. On the stadium tour, all they talk about is AW and how he is the man with the vision for Emirates. He runs the nutrition, design for dressing rooms, tactics (or lack of it) etc etc and yet when it comes to blaming him for our demise from the top of English football, it is the boards fault :lol:

Some even mention Kroenke, a person who has been the majority share holder for only one fucking season. What about the other 6? Well, I guess we can all find some way to blame him anyway! :rolleyes:

[Master Splinter]

Have we planned a welcome party for Llorente?

Have we cried over Wenger getting paid well for doing a great job for his employers?

Most importantly, have we had a sighting of "buying a degree off the internet" yet?

[hobson's choice]

Ganso is just another overhyped, clearly just slightly above average attacking player that Brasil seems to produce these days.

These days unless it's a defender, Brasil ain't producing truly top class attacking talent at all, just hyped up players, who benefit greatly from a league that pretty much babies attacking players.

[hobson's choice]

This ni**a just had knee surgery. Clearly a done deal since he will be crocked and be like a new signing in 2013.

He's perfect for us then, and hey are you Black?

[Japan Shaking All Over]

we're stuck with two options it seems and we have to decide which we prefer:

a) supporting a bag kissing knobhead that says he loves our club only to skip on at the first opportunity to earn more

or

b) a money chasing **** that is open about his motivations but does what is needed on the field

Are we still talking about football players or GW mods? :ninja:

[hobson's choice]

So any signings or departures yet?

[mastermind84]

Ganso is just another overhyped, clearly just slightly above average attacking player that Brasil seems to produce these days.

These days unless it's a defender, Brasil ain't producing truly top class attacking talent at all, juost hyped up players, who benefit greatly from a league that pretty much babies attacking players.
yup, or a holding mid.

[fakeyank]

He's perfect for us then, and hey are you Black?

Nah, I am brown..

[Munchies]

Switzerland boss tells Djourou to get out of Arsenal


Switzerland coach Ottmar Hitzfeld says Johan Djourou needs to leave Arsenal.

Djourou is no first-choice at the Gunners, which is a concern for Hitzfeld.

"For Djourou, the question arises of a transfer," Hitzfeld told RTS Sport.

"If he wants to be selected, he must have some game time in the club. This is not the case at Arsenal."

And it seems that Wenger will not sign Kalou: (http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/chelseas-salomon-kalou-is-set-to-sign-851663)

Chelsea ‘reject’ Salomon Kalou is ready to say goodbye to the Premier League and sign for German side Schalke.

The Ivory Coast attacker became a free agent after the Blues' season-ending Champions League Final triumph.

And now Schalke have put a lucrative package to Kalou that may be enough to get him to switch to the Bundesliga - and potentially face his old Stamford Bridge team-mates next season in Europe's elite competition.

The 26-year-old had been linked with several clubs in England, but is expected to commit to Schalke shortly.

[Boss]

Switzerland boss tells Djourou to get out of Arsenal



And it seems that Wenger will not sign Kalou: (http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/chelseas-salomon-kalou-is-set-to-sign-851663)

Djourou can GTFO, and thank god we're not signing absolute dogshite like Kalou.

[Munchies]

ROBIN VAN PERSIE has been advised to stay at Arsenal — by his MUM. (http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/4343560/Robin-van-Persie-must-stay-at-Arsenal-say-his-mum-and-wife.html) ;)

Manchester City lead the chase for the Gunners skipper.

But mother Jose said: “Arsenal love him and that’s a great incentive to stay. Arsenal are a fantastic club.

“They have no debts and Robin is idolised there.”

Spanish giants Barcelona and Italian champions Juventus also want to sign Arsenal’s double Footballer of the Year.

RVP opened negotiations with Arsene Wenger and chief executive Ivan Gazidis in London last week.

The Gunners are offering him a new £130,000-a-week deal, plus a £5million re-signing bonus to enhance his position as the club’s highest-paid player.

Van Persie’s wife Bouchra added: “Arsenal showed faith in Robin when he was going through a lean time, so we should not repay them by thinking about other clubs.

“Our home life and our children are happy in London.”

Indication he might stay ? From the Sun so don't be suprised if those quotes are fake.

[Munchies]

Anyone remember Miguel Veloso ? who was linked to us / United ages ago for £20 million, he is now playing for some crap Portugese team . Overhyped much hahaha

[bignev]

Anyone remember Miguel Veloso ? who was linked to us / United ages ago for £20 million, he is now playing for some crap Portugese team . Overhyped much hahaha

Oh yeah. Everyone was so excited about him and he was going to be the answer to all of our problems

[Özim]

Djourou can GTFO, and thank god we're not signing absolute dogshite like Kalou.
Spot on.

[fakeyank]

ROBIN VAN PERSIE has been advised to stay at Arsenal — by his MUM. (http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/4343560/Robin-van-Persie-must-stay-at-Arsenal-say-his-mum-and-wife.html) ;)


Indication he might stay ? From the Sun so don't be suprised if those quotes are fake.

They are real quotes as far as I know. However they are very old quotes. I remember reading those quotes when there were still 2 games of the season to go!

[Özim]

Anyone remember Miguel Veloso ? who was linked to us / United ages ago for £20 million, he is now playing for some crap Portugese team . Overhyped much hahaha
He's playing for Genoa in Italy at the moment, he signed for them in 2010.

[GP]

He's perfect for us then, and hey are you Black?

No, he's from Sri Lanka :lol:

[Flavs]

Van Persie to Chelsea. You heard it here first, his family are settled in London so he doesnt want to leave but he wants to win things, get paid a shit load and play for a team that is going places. Makes sense Chelsea would be for him really, especially after signing Hazard and Marko Marin already and apparently are in for eitehr Falcao or Hulk as well as a new right back.

Horrific as it would be a small part of me would giggle about it.

[toothless gibbon]

Anyone remember Miguel Veloso ? who was linked to us / United ages ago for £20 million, he is now playing for some crap Portugese team . Overhyped much hahaha

He plays for Genoa.

[Power n Glory]

It makes sense and they're the only major club that needs a striker.

[KSE Comedy Club]

ROBIN VAN PERSIE has been advised to stay at Arsenal — by his MUM. (http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/4343560/Robin-van-Persie-must-stay-at-Arsenal-say-his-mum-and-wife.html) ;)


Indication he might stay ? From the Sun so don't be suprised if those quotes are fake.Wait,

so, Jose Mourhino is RVP's mother?

Who knew.

[GP]

If he goes to Chelsea he'll be the biggest cunt since Nasri.

Or Flavs.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Have we planned a welcome party for Llorente?

Have we cried over Wenger getting paid well for doing a great job for his employers?

Most importantly, have we had a sighting of "buying a degree off the internet" yet?

Happy FL day. :bow:

Athletic Club are proud of their English side so not sure if we should greet him with clichéd Spanish, well, Basque references. Paella is universal though, right?

[Joker]

raphael honigstein ‏@honigstein

Kagawa to MUFC transfer is nearly completed. fee €15m rising to €22m. Sporting director Zorc: "some details tbc". (via Kicker)

I didn't expect to get Hazard but Kagawa would have been a very good signing. The transfer fee is only at most £17.5M, surely we could have afforded that? Of course even if we were in for him, no player interested in trophies would sign for us instead of United.

[Boss]

raphael honigstein ‏@honigstein

Kagawa to MUFC transfer is nearly completed. fee €15m rising to €22m. Sporting director Zorc: "some details tbc". (via Kicker)

I didn't expect to get Hazard but Kagawa would have been a very good signing. The transfer fee is only at most £17.5M, surely we could have afforded that? Of course even if we were in for him, no player interested in trophies would sign for us instead of United.

They will make that 18M back in his first season on shirt sales alone.

ffs, tbh.

[Joker]

They will make that 18M back in his first season on shirt sales alone.

ffs, tbh.

Signing him would have made both commercial and football sense (unlike Park or Inamoto)

[Marc Overmars]

Are we still in the waiting period?

[IBK]

I am frustrated. I know we tend to do our business behind closed doors, but for once the club needs to ditch its 'safety first' approach and get 2 decent players in. Now. We need to convince RVP to stay otherwise its groundhog day yet again.

[Power n Glory]

We all knew this was on the cards last season when we sold Cesc and Nasri. We've already hit the iceberg and it's too late.

[IBK]

We all knew this was on the cards last season when we sold Cesc and Nasri. We've already hit the iceberg and it's too late.

I dunno, I think the pumps are just about holding, but the crew need to take some decisive action. Surely the captain needs to take a stand?

[Kano]

I dunno, I think the pumps are just about holding, but the crew need to take some decisive action. Surely the captain needs to take a stand?
sounds like he's gone kamping.

[Power n Glory]

I dunno, I think the pumps are just about holding, but the crew need to take some decisive action. Surely the captain needs to take a stand? Wenger isn't going to do a thing. He's had enough opportunities to make a stand but hasn't done anything.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

We all knew this was on the cards last season when we sold Cesc and Nasri. We've already hit the iceberg and it's too late.

it's inexcusable and frankly unforgivable. we let the contract run down on one of our best players last season in samir nasri and in the end had to sell him in the most drawn out transfer saga for years. the amount of unrest it caused was ridiculous, especially during the summer, as we could not buy players until we got the money for samir. it ended up affecting our whole season because we bought players on the last day of the transfer window, so for the first 5 months the squad had no cohesion and were dropping points left right and centre. it also meant players had to work twice as hard to recuperate the season towards the end which left them all fatigued.

you would have thought the board and manager would have learnt from previous mistakes and tied up the contract for RVP way before the season ended. or at least made him sign a pre-contract arrangement to stay for the next few years. but once again we have let it run down. we've also got players like walcott entering into the final year of their contracts so we're probably going to have the same situation next season. whether you think walcott deserves a new contract is a different debate but to let the same occurence happen again when it can be prevented is immoral and damn right neglectful. for a club of our size is embaressing. what the fuck does gazidis get paid to do !! letting this happen 2 years in a row should be enough for him to get sacked.

[Niall_Quinn]

what the fuck does gazidis get paid to do

His job is to realise the untapped potential in the sponsorship and merchandising arrangements that will provide Stan with his £200mill margin when he signs off to Usmanov for £750mill (say £850mill with inflation) in 2016.

[Marc Overmars]

I am frustrated. I know we tend to do our business behind closed doors, but for once the club needs to ditch its 'safety first' approach and get 2 decent players in. Now. We need to convince RVP to stay otherwise its groundhog day yet again.

I think it's fair to cut Wenget some slack until Euro 2012 is over.

That is of course unless we're after players who won't be involved.

Dempsey. :cloud9:

[AKBapologist]

Twitter :lol: /ach
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2151352/Arsenal-trailing-Fernando-Llorente.html

[Japan Shaking All Over]

Hazard was always a reach but Kagawa wasnt/still isnt but if the reports are true and Utd are back with an improved third bid, soon will be.

I say WTF to that we should get that guy, we must have money we must show more ambition, dont get left behind again.

[Power n Glory]

it's inexcusable and frankly unforgivable. we let the contract run down on one of our best players last season in samir nasri and in the end had to sell him in the most drawn out transfer saga for years. the amount of unrest it caused was ridiculous, especially during the summer, as we could not buy players until we got the money for samir. it ended up affecting our whole season because we bought players on the last day of the transfer window, so for the first 5 months the squad had no cohesion and were dropping points left right and centre. it also meant players had to work twice as hard to recuperate the season towards the end which left them all fatigued.you would have thought the board and manager would have learnt from previous mistakes and tied up the contract for RVP way before the season ended. or at least made him sign a pre-contract arrangement to stay for the next few years. but once again we have let it run down. we've also got players like walcott entering into the final year of their contracts so we're probably going to have the same situation next season. whether you think walcott deserves a new contract is a different debate but to let the same occurence happen again when it can be prevented is immoral and damn right neglectful. for a club of our size is embaressing. what the fuck does gazidis get paid to do !! letting this happen 2 years in a row should be enough for him to get sacked. Last summer we put ourselves in a bad situation. RVP was never going to sign a new deal after we let our club captain go...again. That was the make or break summer and we blew it. Also, after the Carling Cup final, i think a lot of players lost faith in Wenger. He can't win anymore. This season confirms that same fear. It goes beyond the realms of Gazidis and our transfer policy now. Don't forget RVP's reaction when Wenger subbed off the Ox. Just as the fans were chanting 'you don't know what your doing' i think we have a lot or players thinking that as well.

[Cripps_orig]

FL day might come true

[Niall_Quinn]

Twitter :lol: /ach
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2151352/Arsenal-trailing-Fernando-Llorente.html

No way will we spend £28mill on a single player. Not without selling RvP anyway. That would mean spending money to get an inferior replacement so fingers crossed this deal is just hot air.

[Cripps_orig]

No way will we spend £28mill on a single player. Not without selling RvP anyway. That would mean spending money to get an inferior replacement so fingers crossed this deal is just hot air.Llorente is pretty good tbh

[Marc Overmars]

Saha has been released by Spurs. :doh:

Dodgy 'Arry. :bow:

[Niall_Quinn]

Llorente is pretty good tbh

Above average would be fair. RvP is world class, one of the few real world class players out there when you strip away the hype boiled up by agents and the media. They better fucking keep RvP or I'll get really cross.

[Coney]

I dunno, I think the pumps are just about holding, but the crew need to take some decisive action. Surely the captain needs to take a stand?

He's looking for another deck chair to arrange the right pattern.

[Niall_Quinn]

Saha has been released by Spurs. :doh:

Dodgy 'Arry. :bow:

Freebie swap deal for Chamakh? Saha into our treatment room and Chamakh out of football?

[Marc Overmars]

Above average would be fair. RvP is world class, one of the few real world class players out there when you strip away the hype boiled up by agents and the media. They better fucking keep RvP or I'll get really cross.

Llorente is a beast tbf.

[Niall_Quinn]

He's looking for another deck chair to arrange the right pattern.

Here we go, same old tune by the band. Anyway, our finances make us unsinkable so complacency if perfectly fine.

[Niall_Quinn]

Llorente is a beast tbf.

And inferior in every way to RvP. So bad deal for us if we lose RvP and have to pay money to get this guy in, most likely on the same sort of wages we could offer to RvP right now. Both of them - certainly, good idea. But it will never happen.

[KSE Comedy Club]

Freebie swap deal for Chamakh? Saha into our treatment room and Chamakh out of football?Chamakh's already out of football.

[Cripps_orig]

Llorente above average? :lol:

[McNamara That Ghost...]

And inferior in every way to RvP. So bad deal for us if we lose RvP and have to pay money to get this guy in, most likely on the same sort of wages we could offer to RvP right now. Both of them - certainly, good idea. But it will never happen.

Isn't it likely whoever is RVP's replacement that they will be 'inferior'? It won't matter too much if the other players who come will be able to get goals too.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

No way will we spend £28mill on a single player. Not without selling RvP anyway. That would mean spending money to get an inferior replacement so fingers crossed this deal is just hot air.

why would we spend money on a replacement when we have bendtner? stop being silly now, we can't kill youth remember

[Joker]

Llorente is a very good player and if we get him to replace RVP I won't be complaining. I know it's a cliche but he's a tall guy, powerful in the air as well so shouldn't have too many problems adapting to the Premier League.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

Llorente is a very good player and if we get him to replace RVP I won't be complaining. I know it's a cliche but he's a tall guy, powerful in the air as well so shouldn't have too many problems adapting to the Premier League.


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/87/Morientes.jpg/280px-Morientes.jpg

[Niall_Quinn]

Isn't it likely whoever is RVP's replacement that they will be 'inferior'? It won't matter too much if the other players who come will be able to get goals too.

I think it will. Holding on to RvP is our top priority this year. Keeping him sends one type of message to the fans, football world, etc. Losing his would be like kicking ourselves in the bollocks in public. There's a lot more to it than who will grab the goals. Getting a top striker in IN ADDITION to RvP, that would be great. Replacing him, a massive step backwards in so many way not least of which would be a signal from our board they are not interested in the football side of things.

[Shaqiri Is Boss]

It's OK.

We'll take Llorente. You guys can have Big Andy for a very reasonable £30m.

[Cripps_orig]

It's OK.

We'll take Llorente. You guys can have Big Andy for a very reasonable £30m.We'll take whoever score most goals in the Euros

Deal?

[Niall_Quinn]

Llorente is a very good player and if we get him to replace RVP I won't be complaining. I know it's a cliche but he's a tall guy, powerful in the air as well so shouldn't have too many problems adapting to the Premier League.

Even better if RvP ends up at city. We lose the finished article and top striker in Europe, strengthen the opposition and end up with a will he/ won't he replacement and can settle down for a stream of "adapting to the PL" excuses. Ideal outcome, nothing to complain about there.

[Shaqiri Is Boss]

We'll take whoever score most goals in the Euros

Deal?
Actually, we'll stick with Andy, he'll come good one day.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

I think it will. Holding on to RvP is our top priority this year. Keeping him sends one type of message to the fans, football world, etc. Losing his would be like kicking ourselves in the bollocks in public. There's a lot more to it than who will grab the goals. Getting a top striker in IN ADDITION to RvP, that would be great. Replacing him, a massive step backwards in so many way not least of which would be a signal from our board they are not interested in the football side of things.

I think that ship sailed a long time ago. Holding on to him should not be our priority, all we can do is try to buy other players of a certain quality and see if that is enough to convince him because we know if push comes to shove we will sell. To me he should be considered an afterthought right now.

[Niall_Quinn]

I think that ship sailed a long time ago. Holding on to him should not be our priority, all we can do is try to buy other players of a certain quality and see if that is enough to convince him because we know if push comes to shove we will sell. To me he should be considered an afterthought right now.

Would be nice to take a step forwards rather than back for a change. Anyway, the most likely scenario is we have already signed RvPs replacement in Podolski. Wouldn't surprise me one bit and would fit into the pattern of our transfer activity over the last few years. Plus, of course, it would turn up another transfer window profit which seems to be the primary objective anyway. Not sure why we get suckered into thinking we'll be making £28mill or £32mill signings every transfer window. With Podolski in we'd need to sell more than just RvP to get a Llorente. Maybe that can be done by selling the deadweight but I wonder what might happen if Walcott has even a half decent Euro?

[selassie]

The Llorente talk makes me chuckle, as if we'd spend that kind of money on one player! I wouldnt be surprised if Podolski was our only major deal. We'll probably supliment that signing with a bunch of projects & lose RVP at the end of the window. Wenger will then defiantly claim that we're ready to compete & that there was nobody available on the market that could upgrade our squad.

[Syn]

There's something I don't like about llorente. Has the touch of the gomez's for me. I'm with NQ on this - we must keep RVP for the next 5 years. Nobody does it better IMO. Makes me feel sad for the rest tbf.

[Power n Glory]

I think it will. Holding on to RvP is our top priority this year. Keeping him sends one type of message to the fans, football world, etc. Losing his would be like kicking ourselves in the bollocks in public. There's a lot more to it than who will grab the goals. Getting a top striker in IN ADDITION to RvP, that would be great. Replacing him, a massive step backwards in so many way not least of which would be a signal from our board they are not interested in the football side of things.

Strengthening the squad is the top priority. We should make that clear. There is no point in keeping him for an extra year just so he can leave on a free. Regardless of what RVP is doing, we have to improve the squad. I get the feeling Wenger and his cronies will try to hoodwink everyone in the summer. They'll announce RVP is staying but leave out the part about him not signing a new deal, we all celebrate and forget about the other transfers and it's back to business as usual. One key signing all summer with kids/fringe players to top it off. If the Board would have listened to Wenger, this is what he would have done last summer with Nasri. I bet he's going to put the same argument to the Board for RVP and he'll probably get his way this time. But it won't make a blind bit of difference if we fail to win silverware again next season.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Would be nice to take a step forwards rather than back for a change. Anyway, the most likely scenario is we have already signed RvPs replacement in Podolski. Wouldn't surprise me one bit and would fit into the pattern of our transfer activity over the last few years. Plus, of course, it would turn up another transfer window profit which seems to be the primary objective anyway. Not sure why we get suckered into thinking we'll be making £28mill or £32mill signings every transfer window. With Podolski in we'd need to sell more than just RvP to get a Llorente. Maybe that can be done by selling the deadweight but I wonder what might happen if Walcott has even a half decent Euro?

I know and I do too but realistically this is how we operate now, regardless of how much money we actually make. We get suckered in to it because we're football supporters and thus we're inherently brainless. Redface devoted a 200 page thread to Hazard but to what end? :lol:

We'll sell some of the 'dead weight' but then we'll level it out by brinigng in the next Bischoff and hope that particular dart hits the right part of the board.

[Niall_Quinn]

There's something I don't like about llorente. Has the touch of the gomez's for me. I'm with NQ on this - we must keep RVP for the next 5 years. Nobody does it better IMO. Makes me feel sad for the rest tbf.

It'd be an all time high if he stayed. But the thought of him going scares the living daylights out of me. A far call from Arshavin arriving from Russia with love, now all we do is sell. Of course Wenger is Dr. No when it comes to transfers, cheap so called diamonds are forever plucked from obscure places. For big name players the world is not enough so they won't come to us. Every season it's the same, transfer window anticipation only for our hopes to die another day. The fans are told nothing with the board preferring a for your eyes only policy, rather than taking a view to a kill in the transfer market they nick the cash and head off to the casino for a royale piss up. It's like they have a license to kill this club for their own benefit. I suppose there's one quantum of solace in all this - we have Jack, provided he doesn't die another day.

[Master Splinter]

N_Q used Die Another Day twice.

:pal:

[Syn]

It'd be an all time high if he stayed. But the thought of him going scares the living daylights out of me. A far call from Arshavin arriving from Russia with love, now all we do is sell. Of course Wenger is Dr. No when it comes to transfers, cheap so called diamonds are forever plucked from obscure places. For big name players the world is not enough so they won't come to us. Every season it's the same, transfer window anticipation only for our hopes to die another day. The fans are told nothing with the board preferring a for your eyes only policy, rather than taking a view to a kill in the transfer market they nick the cash and head off to the casino for a royale piss up. It's like they have a license to kill this club for their own benefit. I suppose there's one quantum of solace in all this - we have Jack, provided he doesn't die another day. :lol:

[Niall_Quinn]

N_Q used Die Another Day twice.

:pal:

DOH!

What a MuckRaker you are!

[Munchies]

Apparently United have agreed a deal to sign Kagawa (http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story/_/id/1081288/man-utd-close-to-sealing-shinji-kagawa-deal?cc=5739)

Shinji Kagawa's transfer to Manchester United from Borussia Dortmund for a total of €22m (£17.m) has moved closer.

[Cripps_orig]

The rich have just got richer

[GP]

Apparently United have agreed a deal to sign Kagawa (http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story/_/id/1081288/man-utd-close-to-sealing-shinji-kagawa-deal?cc=5739)

Shinji Kagawa's transfer to Manchester United from Borussia Dortmund for a total of €22m (£17.m) has moved closer.

Cool story Bro :good:

[Flavs]

Bored of transfer shit so gonna completely ignore it until i see a new player standing next to Uncle Arsene with his name and number on that bloody awful new shirt of ours

Fuck em

[Niall_Quinn]

Bored of transfer shit so gonna completely ignore it until i see a new player standing next to Uncle Arsene with his name and number on that bloody awful new shirt of ours

Fuck em

You're quitting football then?

[Flavs]

You're quitting football then?

yep pretty much

[Marc Overmars]

Shinji Kagawa's transfer to Manchester United from Borussia Dortmund for a total of €22m (£17.m) has moved closer but the midfielder has yet to agree personal terms and sign for the club.

The Japanese midfielder is back in his homeland and it is understood that Thomas Kroth, the 23-year-old's agent, travelled there from Germany in the past few days to discuss the move.

An initial bid of €18m from United was rejected last week but Dortmund have now reportedly agreed a fee that will be worth €22m with add-ons for a player who cost them just €350,000 from the Japanese club Cerezo Osaka.

The United manager Sir Alex Ferguson watched Kagawa a fortnight ago when he scored in Dortmund's 5-2 win over Bayern Munich in the German Cup final. He scored 13 goals in 31 league games as Dortmund won the Bundesliga from Bayern by eight points and he fits the profile currently adhered to by United of a young player who could improve and not cost a premium price.

Kagawa currently earns a modest salary of between €750,000 to €1m and was offered up to €2.5m to re-sign for Dortmund. But as he is intent on playing in the Premier League it is not thought his wage demands to join United will prove a stumbling block.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/may/29/shinji-kagawa-manchester-united-dortmund?newsfeed=true

[Japan Shaking All Over]

Llorente is a very good player and if we get him to replace RVP I won't be complaining. I know it's a cliche but he's a tall guy, powerful in the air as well so shouldn't have too many problems adapting to the Premier League.

But seeing that we would have to reprogram the team to play to those strengths and that we have a corps of wingers who cant cross their fingers. . .it may not be a good idea.

RvP is everything we could want, the complete striker. . .what we want to do is throw Robin the bone he is after and make it a little tastier by breaking this guy in at the same time. . .I am sure that instead of talking about one or the other we would all like to see both. . .RvP behind a beast like striker sounds good to me

[Marc Overmars]

We need to buy a few players and bolster the squad, regardless of what happens with RVP. Maccy was right with his point that when push comes to shove, we'll sell.

RVP signing a new deal will still get the biggest cheer of the summer from me, but it's out of our hands and down to him now, so I hope we don't let what happens with him dictate our transfer activity like we did with Cesc and Nasri last year.

[Niall_Quinn]

Fun watching all the other teams doing the biz, isn't it? It's so peaceful this time of year if you are a Gooner.

[Japan Shaking All Over]

Im really fucked off by the Kagawa story, when will we get serious and stop being the butt of all the fucking jokes. . .:whisper: the one we arent meant to fucking talk about. . .

Hazard off to Chavs
Kagawa Mancs
Player we cannot even dream of affording to Citeh
Vertonghen a fucking Spud in the making
Wait whos left. . .ahh yeah we were mentioned in the same breath ad Dempsey. . .which is badically ss good as saying if anybody else wants him please go ahead and take him

When is the team I support going to up the ante and make the others say 'Fuck John, look who Arsenal just bought' and I dont mind in the same way the did when we brought in Chamakh because they were probably laughing their heads off when that happened

[mastermind84]

There's something I don't like about llorente. Has the touch of the gomez's for me. I'm with NQ on this - we must keep RVP for the next 5 years. Nobody does it better IMO. Makes me feel sad for the rest tbf.
Llorente isnt a great player but he is noting like Gomez. Two completely different forwards.

Gomez is a poacher, while Llorente has a similar style to Drogba.

[Syn]

Llorente isnt a great player but he is noting like Gomez. Two completely different forwards.

Gomez is a poacher, while Llorente has a similar style to Drogba.

I meant in terms of how clumsy the are vs. Tr number of goals they get. They must be doing something right to keep netting but I just think they're awkward.

[Flavs]

Im really fucked off by the Kagawa story, when will we get serious and stop being the butt of all the fucking jokes. . .:whisper: the one we arent meant to fucking talk about. . .

Hazard off to Chavs
Kagawa Mancs
Player we cannot even dream of affording to Citeh
Vertonghen a fucking Spud in the making
Wait whos left. . .ahh yeah we were mentioned in the same breath ad Dempsey. . .which is badically ss good as saying if anybody else wants him please go ahead and take him

When is the team I support going to up the ante and make the others say 'Fuck John, look who Arsenal just bought' and I dont mind in the same way the did when we brought in Chamakh because they were probably laughing their heads off when that happened

Chin up goth

[Master Splinter]

I meant in terms of how clumsy the are vs. Tr number of goals they get. They must be doing something right to keep netting but I just think they're awkward.

Chancing it again?

Llorente is a classy player. Not awkward at all. He's not a pub-team poacher like Crispin Glover, but his overall play (inside and outside the box) is light years ahead.

[mastermind84]

I meant in terms of how clumsy the are vs. Tr number of goals they get. They must be doing something right to keep netting but I just think they're awkward.
you should probably watch Llorente play a few matches. He isnt clumsy at all.

Not a finisher by any stretch but he gets involved in Bilbao's build up play, and links everything together. Before Bielsa arrived, he played the Kevin Davies #9 role too.

If he was clumsy, he would not be in the Spain squad. Like I said before, Llorente's style is like Drogba's. Dont know if he is as good, but he is a very similar player. Gomez is a big donkey who knows how to poach goals and doesnt do much work in the build up. Gomez is a clumsy oaf, Llorente is not.

[server too busy!]

Why are we talking about Llorente, can you really see us having Podolski, Llorente and RvP....where would Walcott, Gervinho and AOC play?

[Harry]

Why are we talking about Llorente, can you really see us having Podolski, Llorente and RvP....where would Walcott, Gervinho and AOC play?

It's called having a squad.

Saddam H.

[AKBapologist]

Llorente is just a bullshit rumour tbh.

[AKBapologist]

Also, apparently we where interested in M'vila, but then we heard the price tag.

Arsenal FC :rose:

Summer transfers :rose:

[GunnerFan4Life]

Some twitter people saying that Canal+ has comfirmed that we've agreed a deal for Giroud with Chamakh swapping.

[Cripps_orig]

Also, apparently we where interested in M'vila, but then we heard the price tag.

Arsenal FC :rose:

Summer transfers :rose:That shit song would put me off too tbh

[Cripps_orig]

Some twitter people saying that Canal+ has comfirmed that we've agreed a deal for Giroud with Chamakh swapping.Twitter :haha:

So Llorente, Ganso and Micoud in one day?

[mastermind84]

Llorente is just a bullshit rumour tbh.
yeah, I doubt Arsenal would know how to acquire him. I just wont sit with the lazy comparison to Torres.


Some twitter people saying that Canal+ has comfirmed that we've agreed a deal for Giroud with Chamakh swapping.
I heard from Twitter people we are closing in on Messi too

[Syn]

Chancing it again?Llorente is a classy player. Not awkward at all. He's not a pub-team poacher like Crispin Glover, but his overall play (inside and outside the box) is light years ahead. I've seen llorente play a few times. Found him to be frustrating. Don't know what else to say.

[Munchies]

Apparently the deal is : 8.5m + Chamakh for Giroud.

Haven't seen Giroud play, must be better than Chamakh though.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8R1NCl383Pk

Seems like an Eduardo type of player.

[Niall_Quinn]

Apparently the deal is : 8.5m + Chamakh for Giroud.

Haven't seen Giroud play, must be better than Chamakh though.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8R1NCl383Pk

Seems like an Eduardo type of player.

At least he seems to get goals, rather than almost getting goals. We can train that out of him though.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Let's do it for Giroud!

[Ollie the Optimist]

found out something interesting about gervinho and hazard. when hazard and gervinho played in same team, they played roughly the same amount of games, with goals scored, gervinho had about double what hazard did and assists were 16 to hazard and 14 to gervinho

[selassie]

found out something interesting about gervinho and hazard. when hazard and gervinho played in same team, they played roughly the same amount of games, with goals scored, gervinho had about double what hazard did and assists were 16 to hazard and 14 to gervinho

And then Gervinho joined Arsenal and the rest as they say is history.....:yikes:

[Unai Tea]

And then Gervinho joined Arsenal and the rest as they say is history.....:yikes:

It is conceivable that Gervinho settles and improves in his second year?

[Xhaka Can’t]

I wonder if Gervinho is now worse than Chamakh?

[Marc Overmars]

I can believe the Giroud rumour, with potentially Chakma going the other way to join his son.

I'd be quite happy with Podolski and Giroud as our new attacking options. Good potential for some big man/little man pub play.

[AKBapologist]

Also, this Canal rumour is just hyping up the telegraphs report from last week.
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=pl&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.canalplus.pl%2Fsport%2Fnews-kr-ll-strzelc-lw-ligue-1-celem-transferowym-arsenalu_19580

[selassie]

It is conceivable that Gervinho settles and improves in his second year?

I think he'll improve but I'm not sure he'll ever reach the levels of a guaranteed starter for us.

The potential is there, he was a beast for Lille for a couple of seasons but I'm not sure if he'll ever reach those levels at Arsenal.

I could be wrong....

[Unai Tea]

I think he'll improve but I'm not sure he'll ever reach the levels of a guaranteed starter for us.

The potential is there, he was a beast for Lille for a couple of seasons but I'm not sure if he'll ever reach those levels at Arsenal.

I could be wrong....

I don't know either. He started reasonably well and then faded. He was worse after the ACoN. He certainly has room for improvement.

[Marc Overmars]

Not sure he has the minerals tbf.

The killer for me was when Dids had to persuade him to take a penalty in the ACON shootout, after most of his teammates had already been.

[Özim]

found out something interesting about gervinho and hazard. when hazard and gervinho played in same team, they played roughly the same amount of games, with goals scored, gervinho had about double what hazard did and assists were 16 to hazard and 14 to gervinho
Odd that Lille sold him for so much more then, Hazard always was the gem in the team, he's younger, has more vision, scores and creats more goals and is more intelligent on the ball.

There's no comparison, we chose the cheap option, like most of the time these days. If you asked anyone with football knowledge who they would prefer in their team on a purely football basis it wouldn't be Gervinho.

I don't know where you pull these things out from, but they really don't convince anyone tbh.

[Özim]

I think it's fair to cut Wenget some slack until Euro 2012 is over.

That is of course unless we're after players who won't be involved.

Dempsey. :cloud9:
Come on dude, he'll say the players prices are overinflated after the Euros, if we wait till after Euros it's bye bye decent signings.

[Niall_Quinn]

If you asked anyone with football knowledge who they would prefer in their team on a purely football basis it would be Gervinho.

Can't agree. If that was true the price difference wouldn't be so great.

[Özim]

Can't agree. If that was true the price difference wouldn't be so great.
Think you scuffed the quote to be honest.

[Niall_Quinn]

Think you scuffed the quote to be honest.

So's your face.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Bayern Munich are after Dzeko apparently.

[selassie]

Lot of Walcott to Chelsea rumours flying around. I didn't realise he only had 1 year left on his current deal....:blink:

[Kano]

Lot of Walcott to Chelsea rumours flying around. I didn't realise he only had 1 year left on his current deal....:blink:

Yep and I bet he's quietly smiling to himself after his turn around in form. It is strange how there has been nothing in the headlines about it, almost as if everyone expects him to stick around. a move to man u or chelsea could definitely happen, so you have to bloody well hope the negotiation team are dealing with this urgently too.

[Kano]

Odd that Lille sold him for so much more then, Hazard always was the gem in the team, he's younger, has more vision, scores and creats more goals and is more intelligent on the ball.

There's no comparison, we chose the cheap option, like most of the time these days. If you asked anyone with football knowledge who they would prefer in their team on a purely football basis it wouldn't be Gervinho.

I don't know where you pull these things out from, but they really don't convince anyone tbh.
its a misleading stat as it comparing gerv's 93 games for the club, against hazards first 93. hazard went on for another 100 games and that is where he started to make his name.

i don't mind gerv, i've got a little more patience with him as his first half season was ok.

[Özim]

its a misleading stat as it comparing gerv's 93 games for the club, against hazards first 93. hazard went on for another 100 games and that is where he started to make his name.

i don't mind gerv, i've got a little more patience with him as his first half season was ok.
I don't mind Gervinho either think he has some decent skills, though his lack of end product is a problem. Hazard though is a level above talent wise.

[Marc Overmars]

Yep and I bet he's quietly smiling to himself after his turn around in form. It is strange how there has been nothing in the headlines about it, almost as if everyone expects him to stick around. a move to man u or chelsea could definitely happen, so you have to bloody well hope the negotiation team are dealing with this urgently too.

I wouldn't be surprised if he joined his little Englanders at Chelsea.

[Xhaka Can’t]

I wouldn't care.

[Niall_Quinn]

Losing Cesc and Na$ri last year and RvP and Theo this year would mean we'd have no alternative but to murder the board of directors. We wouldn't get prosecuted either because everyone would understand.

[Cripps_orig]

Losing Cesc and Na$ri last year and RvP and Theo this year would mean we'd have no alternative but to murder the board of directors. We wouldn't get prosecuted either because everyone would understand.Is it the directors who have control of players going out?

[Ollie the Optimist]

Is it the directors who have control of players going out?

possibly yes, if they refuse to offer the contract or pay them as much then we have no choice but to sell to get money instead of them leaving for a free. if they refuse to pay the money for wages then it forces them to go so yes they are to blame as well as wenger

[Cripps_orig]

possibly yes, if they refuse to offer the contract or pay them as much then we have no choice but to sell to get money instead of them leaving for a free. if they refuse to pay the money for wages then it forces them to go so yes they are to blame as well as wengerCesc going was all down to Wenger as he himself admitted it was Wenger who went to the board to convince them to let Cesc leave for a lower price.

Nasri and now RVP and Theo are/were down to the last year of their contracts. Unless they sign a new contract, makes sense to sell them

[Ollie the Optimist]

Cesc going was all down to Wenger as he himself admitted it was Wenger who went to the board to convince them to let Cesc leave for a lower price.

Nasri and now RVP and Theo are/were down to the last year of their contracts. Unless they sign a new contract, makes sense to sell them

because wenger knew what damage it would do to have a captain who didnt give a shit, wanted out and spent the season before pissed off he wasnt allowed to go and put in shit performances. but of course its all wengers fault. he wanted an end to the situation as we all did.

[Power n Glory]

The players are leaving because they don't believe we're capable of winning a silverware. The Carling Cup final was the last straw. Team morale hit and all time low last year an it's down to disappointing results on the field and the way we throw games away. There isn't much the directors can do to change that. Example, we spent £10m odd on Ox and wouldn't play him. We bought Park but he hardly got a game. Ramsey is low on confidence and keeps playing rubbish but always gets selected when fit. This is a tactical issue. We had the same crap years ago with players like Aluminia, Eboue, Denilson and Hoyte. His team selection and tactics keep letting us down.

[Niall_Quinn]

Cesc going was all down to Wenger as he himself admitted it was Wenger who went to the board to convince them to let Cesc leave for a lower price.

Nasri and now RVP and Theo are/were down to the last year of their contracts. Unless they sign a new contract, makes sense to sell them

Makes sense to whom? Us? The fans? Who the fuck cares if it makes sense to a bunch of bean counters in the board room? Fuck them. The fans want to see the team winning and competing at the top. Letting our best players go all the time is not the way to achieve that. Do you seriously believe there's any manager out there who wants his best players sold every year? Wasn't it Wenger who insisted Cesc and Na$ri were staying? Are you not even curious as to why he suddenly changed his mind, making himself look a fool in the process? You think somebody would do that deliberately?

There's much more going on here than escapes into the public domain. This idea the people who actually run the club and stuff millions in their pockets as a result are under the control of the manager needs to stop because it's ridiculous and gives the real (and obvious) culprits a free pass. This is simply not how a company operates. Any company. Anyway, it doesn't even need awareness of what goes on behind the scenes. All you need to do is ask a few questions and observe the evidence.

Somebody dumped £500mill+ into the club in order to buy shares that have increased steadily in price during the years we have been struggling. That's an anomaly right there and very illustrative. Did the money go into the team or into the club in any way? If not, where did it go? It went to the same people who have busily been nurturing the share price. It's not exactly a leap of cynicism to connect those two dots, is it? And considering their initial investment, how much of this windfall did the shareholders kick back? That's right, precisely zero. And this makes Wenger the bad guy? How so? His job seems clear enough, qualify for the champions league every year (for the cash) and make profits (particularly in the transfer window). That's his JOB, as in employee. If we want to slate him for the on the pitch performances of his shoestring squad then fine, we have the right to do that. But why the constant need to pretend he runs the club and wants the players to leave?

And we go back to the initial question, why does it make sense to get rid of our players? Unless you too believe the purpose of the club is to make millions for a few old farts and an incoming owner. In fact it makes no sense at all. How could it. Every time we lose these players it's like rebooting the team, we have to start again. Hard to believe the fans would want that, or the players who many claim want trophies rather than millions. And it's insane to think a manager would want it. Because how do the fans or the players or the manager gain from these destructive practices? There's only one group that benefits, isn't there? When you look at things logically rather than through a haze of hatred for Wenger.

[Cripps_orig]

Got to say, thats an impressive post on defending Wenger and putting all the faults on the boards shoulders.

Why it makes sense? Well if they are going to leave at the end of their contract anyway then we might as well sell them a year earlier and get some money in. Where the money goes and what its used for isnt the point.

No i dont like seeing our best players leave every summer but if we dont sell RVP and Theo this summer if they refuse to sign a new contract then we'll keep them for another trophyless year and lose them on a free next summer missing out on probably £40m+?

Id rather we keep them of course but if we are destined to lose them then we might as well get money for it. Its not like they'll win us a trophy next year.