Super Super Quality Transfer Speculation & Shit [Archive] - Page 13

Japan Shaking All Over

10-06-2012, 01:06 AM

OK so we've/I'vee lost out on one Jap. . .how about another, Honda?

We've had our name linked with him in the past and I think he possesses the necessary qualities to do well for us although he isnt exactly on the main shopping street that us average fans look akong: Russian League so I dont know how hes getting along, tbf Japanese TV does show Moscow games but they are a bit of a trial to sit through and Honda doesnt always seem on the field when I switch on. . .

Transfer goss is a bit dead and probably will be till after the Euros so any views?

By the way. . .the car reference puns have been done a number of pages back ;)

Cripps_orig

10-06-2012, 01:30 AM

We've done our summer signings.

Japan Shaking All Over

10-06-2012, 07:34 AM

We've done our summer signings.

In that case. . .

Lets shut this thread down. . .

As there is nothing left to hope for. . .

Unai Tea

10-06-2012, 07:53 AM

Or if not closing it outright, putting a sign up above the entrance way like in Dante's Inferno - 'Abandon all hope ye who enter here'

McNamara That Ghost...

10-06-2012, 08:41 AM

Julien Laurens ‏@LaurensJulien
Very busy yesterday working on M'vila story. Deal 99% done. 22 million euros, 4 years. Great signing for Arsenal and player is delighted

French reporter

He hasn't had a tweet since May 21st. :doh: I was right, that's exactly what he posted on 8th May, mainly because it's the same one!

I know we let Twitter rubbish in this thread but at least give some thought to it before pasting it on here.

Cripps_orig

10-06-2012, 10:18 AM

Twitter :lol:

Japan Shaking All Over

10-06-2012, 12:03 PM

Some cant live with it. . .others cant without it. . .is Llorente week over yet?

Cripps_orig

10-06-2012, 12:05 PM

Some cant live with it. . .others cant without it. . .is Llorente week over yet?Last day today

Mvila week starts tomorrow

Munchies

10-06-2012, 03:13 PM

Some cant live with it. . .others cant without it. . .is Llorente week over yet?

Press conference after the Spain match to confrim the deal to end the week :)

Bergkampwonderland10

10-06-2012, 05:52 PM

_QUOTE=Ach;150073]Seemed fine fop City and hes better thcn anyonm we havg

Would take him back asap[/QUOTE]

Cripps am guessing phis is said tongue in cheek...
He is ona player along with Ashldy Cole That I would nevar want near an Irsenal shirt again. Thmy have their head so fa| up themr own asses it's not even funny. Sorry excuses$for hum`n beingz both od them.

Bergkampwonderland10

10-06-2012, 06:26 PM

I dont have any problem with him. @rsenal dans had$a go, hes had ome back.$Fair enough. He!is better than what we mave though and ue are in no position to say no to quality players

Will never happen thOugh

To be fair he's had a little more than 'one back' - plus he also spent a lot of time warming the bench at City...t(ink he only started 15 premiersjip games...he was a greit player for us at timeq and I'm sure he would have continued to be had!he not had his head turjed to the tune of 200K i week. He left mouthinc off and thinking he was some bIg shot player who had m

Xhaka Can’t

10-06-2012, 06:38 PM

Amen.

Fabregas goes on as if he is some latter day Theirry Henry.

He is a footnote in our history and it won't be long before he is almost completely forgotten.

Özim

10-06-2012, 06:53 PM

Amen.

Fabregas goes on as if he is some latter day Theirry Henry.

He is a footnote in our history and it won't be long before he is almost completely forgotten.
and yet 2 seasons ago he was as good as Messi and Ronaldo, fans can be very fickle. :rolleyes:

As soon as a player leaves they're the anti-christ, maybe we should look at why players feel the need to leave all the time and let's face it it happens a lot.

If you want to keep players you need to give them something to stay for, we offer nothing, nothing except a chance to be part of the kindergarten club with the chance to get an invisible 3rd/4th place medal.

I don't blame these guys for leaving, they want to win and they're sick of the current setupa and the empty promises of success and ambition, good luck to them when they move on, I hope they fulfill those ambitions we just can't and won't even try to fulfill.

Boss

10-06-2012, 06:55 PM

and yet 2 seasons ago he was as good as Messi and Ronaldo, fans can be very fickle. :rolleyes:

As soon as a player leaves they're the anti-christ, maybe we should look at why players feel the need to leave all the time and let's face it it happens a lot.

If you want to keep players you need to give them something to stay for, we offer nothing, nothing except a chance to be part of the kindergarten club with the chance to get an invisible 3rd/4th place medal.

I don't blame these guys for leaving, they want to win and they're sick of the current setupa and the empty promises of success and ambition, good luck to them when they move on, I hope they fulfill those ambitions we just can't and won't even try to fulfill.

Pretty much.

Can understand the hatred of the likes of Adebayor and Ashley Cole but people moaning about the others need to look at the bigger picture.

Xhaka Can’t

10-06-2012, 06:56 PM

and yet 2 seasons ago he was as good as Messi and Ronaldo, fans can be very fickle. :rolleyes:

As soon as a player leaves they're the anti-christ, maybe we should look at why players feel the need to leave all the time and let's face it it happens a lot.

If you want to keep players you need to give them something to stay for, we offer nothing, nothing except a chance to be part of the kindergarten club with the chance to get an invisible 3rd/4th place medal.

I don't blame these guys for leaving, they want to win and they're sick of the current setupa and the empty promises of success and ambition, good luck to them when they move on, I hope they fulfill those ambitions we just can't and won't even try to fulfill.

What are you talking about?

Who are you responding to? Whoever it is, quote their post.

Xhaka Can’t

10-06-2012, 06:59 PM

Pretty much.

Can understand the hatred of the likes of Adebayor and Ashley Cole but people moaning about the others need to look at the bigger picture.

You wouldn't know the big picture if it was painted by Van Gogh, he titled it 'Big Picture' and it fell on your head.

Özim

10-06-2012, 06:59 PM

To be fair he's had a little more than 'one back' - plus he also spent a lot of time warming the bench at City...think he only started 15 premiership games...he was a great player for us at times and I'm sure he would have continued to be had he not had his head turned to the tune of 200K a week. He left mouthing off and thinking he was some big shot player who had made it...he's nothing but a squad player at City and will continue to be...because at the end of the day he's not as good as he thinks he is...I can name at least 10 players in his position that are better than him in the premiership alone. Clichy and Toure left us - and did so with a little dignity ala. they just shut up and left - not a peep. It's what a professional footballer should do. Still can't stand the way fabregas is always trying to worm his way into Arsenal fans' 'good books' - if there's one msg I would say to Fabregas - is that no Arsenal fan really cares what you have to say anymore. Same goes for Nasri.
Right so players you're happy to see leave leave with dignity but those you don't want to see leave are scumbags who with no class?

If I remember correctly Toure whined and bitched his way out of the club moaning about not enough playing time after many seasons as a regular, the guy wouldn't fight for his place.

Cesc left because he wanted to go back to Barca and win, why would he stay when every season the same thing happens, empty words from Wenger and co about winning and the same losing end to the season, as fans you get sick of it and I'm sure the players get sick of it too, sick of the BS words and never having a chance of winning...the manager is incapable of building a good enough team to win, the fault is with him.

Nasri left to win and he's done it, he's won more in one season then he ever did or ever will have the chance to do with us, I'd say that was a good move for him.

If someone stays with us all their career what will they have to show for it? I'm not sure.

Özim

10-06-2012, 07:01 PM

What are you talking about?

Who are you responding to? Whoever it is, quote their post.
I was responding to you and your comment about Cesc (I quoted your post - see above)

He did his job for quite a few years, think he got sick of the losers mentality and coming 4th all the time, can you blame him?

Xhaka Can’t

10-06-2012, 07:05 PM

I was responding to you and your comment about Cesc (I quoted your post - see above)

How was that a response to my comment? There was nothing factually correct about your reply.

The first line if in response to me - Bullshit.

Same with the second line.

The 3rd and 4th sentences not even remotely relevant to my post.

Özim

10-06-2012, 07:05 PM

Rather than complaining about players leaving, maybe people should look at the reason...and no it's not just money, when we were winning we did lose players, but not to the same extent we do now.

Basically nowadays every summer we lose 1 or 2 of our top players, this will happen until we have none left, which won't be long at this rate.

Özim

10-06-2012, 07:08 PM

How was that a response to my comment? There was nothing factually correct about your reply.

The first line if in response to me - Bullshit.

Same with the second line.

The 3rd and 4th sentences not even remotely relevant to my post.
Your comments showed you were bothered by the fact Cesc left us and his comments, they were bitter comments which someone wouldn't feel the need to say if they didn't feel some resentment.

So yeah they were very relevant, I have no problem with Cesc and don't feel bitter so I won't feel the need to make comments about him soon being forgotten.

He was with us for years, of course he has affection for us, Henry wouldn't have achieved what he did if surrounded by the shower of sh*t Cesc was generally surrounded with.

He's no Henry but he tried his best, including playing with a broken leg, he moved on and fair play to him, it was time for him to achieve something and he needed a better setup for that to happen.

Xhaka Can’t

10-06-2012, 07:08 PM

Xhaka Can’t

10-06-2012, 07:11 PM

Your comments showed you were bothered by the fact Cesc left us, they were bitter comments which someone wouldn't feel the need to say if they didn't feel some resentment.

So yeah they were very relevant, I have no problem with Cesc and don't feel bitter so I won't feel the need to make comments about him soon being forgotten.

They show nothing of the sort. I'm ok with him gone. I was comparing him to Henry, and I genuinely believe that someone part of a team that achieved so little will soon be forgotten.

He wanted to leave, play for his boyhood Club that he loves - cool. Now just get on with it.

Özim

10-06-2012, 07:14 PM

They show nothing of the sort. I'm ok with him gone. I was comparing him to Henry, and I genuinely believe that someone part of a team that achieved so little will soon be forgotten.

He wanted to leave, play for his boyhood Club that he loves - cool. Now just get on with it.
Ok that's fair enough, you can't compare him to Henry in any way though, he was playing in a team with much much better players, surrounded by players like this Cesc may have been a lot better for us, we'll see at Barca I guess.

I don't think he's a great player, but he does have a lot of talent, one of the best talent wise no, but a top player nonetheless and one who should be in a team with a chance of success.

Özim

10-06-2012, 07:15 PM

Is that in response to my post?

If it is, you are consistent.
No this was a general comment, hence the lack of a quote ;)

Boss

10-06-2012, 07:20 PM

You wouldn't know the big picture if it was painted by Van Gogh, he titled it 'Big Picture' and it fell on your head.

Not sure if you're trying to be funny but your posts have been dogshite of late.

Sort yourself out, tbh.

Xhaka Can’t

10-06-2012, 07:37 PM

No this was a general comment, hence the lack of a quote ;)

OK then.

Xhaka Can’t

10-06-2012, 07:40 PM

Ok that's fair enough, you can't compare him to Henry in any way though, he was playing in a team with much much better players, surrounded by players like this Cesc may have been a lot better for us, we'll see at Barca I guess.

I don't think he's a great player, but he does have a lot of talent, one of the best talent wise no, but a top player nonetheless and one who should be in a team with a chance of success.

Agree with that.

10-06-2012, 07:41 PM

and yet 2 seasons ago he was as good as Messi and Ronaldo, fans can be very fickle. :rolleyes:

Do you even understand what it means to be a football fan?

If you went on a Bristol City forum and asked who was better, Messi or Shaun Goater, people would vote for Goater.

It doesn't mean that's what they really think, it's just tribal nature of a football fan.

Xhaka Can’t

10-06-2012, 07:47 PM

Not sure if you're trying to be funny but your posts have been dogshite of late.

Sort yourself out, tbh.

I'll be serious then.

You accuse people of not understanding the bigger picture, yet you lack understanding of what people post and then come on all judgemental on them. I can't think of a recent post of yours that has added anything of substance in reply to the posts of others.

Niall_Quinn

10-06-2012, 07:48 PM

Özim

10-06-2012, 07:50 PM

Do you even understand what it means to be a football fan?

If you went on a Bristol City forum and asked who was better, Messi or Shaun Goater, people would vote for Goater.

It doesn't mean that's what they really think, it's just tribal nature of a football fan.
When you come onto a forum and post a poll about it I would think it's genuine, being a fan is one thing, doesn't mean you have to be deluded though.

I doubt very much they'd say Goater is better to be fair. ;)

You don't have to think you have all the best players just because you're a fan, doesn't mean you don't rate the player in question, I rate RVP really highly and think he's top notch, but I recognise he's not as good as Ronaldo or Messi.

If what you're saying is true then all the opinions of fans about players and clubs are worthless.

10-06-2012, 07:55 PM

When you come onto a forum and post a poll about it I would think it's genuine, being a fan is one thing, doesn't mean you have to be deluded though.

I doubt very much they'd say Goater is better to be fair. ;)

You don't have to think you have all the best players just because you're a fan, doesn't mean you don't rate the player in question, I rate RVP really highly and think he's top notch, but I recognise he's not as good as Ronaldo or Messi.

If what you're saying is true then all the opinions of fans about players and clubs are worthless.

Not worthless, but the magic word is 'context'

Power n Glory

10-06-2012, 08:02 PM

If Cesc had won a title with us, would that change peoples opinion about his talent and value to the club? I think so.

10-06-2012, 08:07 PM

If Cesc had one a title with us, would that change peoples opinion about his talent and value to the club? I think so.

Sure, if he'd stepped up and captained us to the title, but he didn't.

10-06-2012, 08:09 PM

Apparently we are talking to Montpellier about some dude named Giroud.

Any good?

Boss

10-06-2012, 08:09 PM

I'll be serious then.

You accuse people of not understanding the bigger picture, yet you lack understanding of what people post and then come on all judgemental on them. I can't think of a recent post of yours that has added anything of substance in reply to the posts of others.

Pot, kettle etc. Only thing I don't understand is why you always come across as so bitter of late.

I'm done with this childish argument and do hope you can find some joy in your life.

Xhaka Can’t

10-06-2012, 08:10 PM

If Cesc had one a title with us, would that change peoples opinion about his talent and value to the club? I think so.

It is true that the perception would be different. You remember who was in your team when we win things - that or you remember those that were servants of the Club that spent their career at it.

Boss

10-06-2012, 08:10 PM

Apparently we are talking to Montpellier about some dude named Giroud.

Any good?

A must get.

Apparently his release clause is 10.8M and he does have a decent goal record (unlike that filth Chamakh).

Xhaka Can’t

10-06-2012, 08:11 PM

I'm done with this childish argument

Good for you.

Power n Glory

10-06-2012, 08:14 PM

Sure, if he'd stepped up and captained us to the title, but he didn't.

Only so much one player can do and it's exactly why RVP should move on in that case. If winning silverware can dramatically change fan perception of a player, then what happens if he stays and wins nothing? No point staying for the fans if that's the attitude. He needs to do what's right for him.

Cripps_orig

10-06-2012, 08:18 PM

To be fair he's had a little more than 'one back' - plus he also spent a lot of time warming the bench at City...think he only started 15 premiership games...he was a great player for us at times and I'm sure he would have continued to be had he not had his head turned to the tune of 200K a week. He left mouthing off and thinking he was some big shot player who had made it...he's nothing but a squad player at City and will continue to be...because at the end of the day he's not as good as he thinks he is...I can name at least 10 players in his position that are better than him in the premiership alone. Clichy and Toure left us - and did so with a little dignity ala. they just shut up and left - not a peep. It's what a professional footballer should do. Still can't stand the way fabregas is always trying to worm his way into Arsenal fans' 'good books' - if there's one msg I would say to Fabregas - is that no Arsenal fan really cares what you have to say anymore. Same goes for Nasri.Everyone bar Hart and Kompany are squad players there tbh

Nasri was in the team more often than not come the end of the season when the pressure was on and he did well and he only says stuff about us in response to the fans shit said about him. Like i said, if fans cant take it then dont dish it out. Same with Ade. Dont have a problem with either

Cesc however i agree with you, is a grade A ****

Xhaka Can’t

10-06-2012, 08:29 PM

Only so much one player can do and it's exactly why RVP should move on in that case. If winning silverware can dramatically change fan perception of a player, then what happens if he stays and wins nothing? No point staying for the fans if that's the attitude. He needs to do what's right for him.

I disagree that that is the be all and end all of what forms a fan's perception. But I agree that unless we show serious intent in the transfer market, it is best forn Van Persie and us that he moves on.

There is no point him staying and us forking out big money on wages if we are not going to strengthen the team so that it is competitive even with him in it.

IBK

10-06-2012, 08:29 PM

Sure, if he'd stepped up and captained us to the title, but he didn't.

No, he stepped up and agitated his way out of the club. For those people who think he should be 'respected', why didn't he show us a little more respect?

Power n Glory

10-06-2012, 08:33 PM

I disagree that that is the be all and end all of what forms a fan's perception. But I agree that unless we show serious intent in the transfer market, it is best forn Van Persie and us that he moves on.

There is no point him staying and us forking out big money on wages if we are not going to strengthen the team so that it is competitive even with him in it.

Not all but some. As for Cesc, you can't expect a player at that age to win us a league title on his own like that. He should have been learning from experienced players and improving his game not leading a team.

Power n Glory

10-06-2012, 08:38 PM

No, he stepped up and agitated his way out of the club. For those people who think he should be 'respected', why didn't he show us a little more respect?

In what way? There are worst culprits and he didn't bad mouth the fans, club, staff or club policies before he left.

Ollie the Optimist

10-06-2012, 08:38 PM

Everyone bar Hart and Kompany are squad players there tbh

Nasri was in the team more often than not come the end of the season when the pressure was on and he did well and he only says stuff about us in response to the fans shit said about him. Like i said, if fans cant take it then dont dish it out. Same with Ade. Dont have a problem with either

Cesc however i agree with you, is a grade A ****

the **** nasri is obsessed with us. every day its him talking about us etc. as soon as they won the league his first interview was about us not how happy he was etc. and he hardly played a major part. that game against us? where the fuck was he? he bottled it and they got lucky

Power n Glory

10-06-2012, 08:40 PM

Cripps_orig

10-06-2012, 08:41 PM

Nasri gets abuse on Twitter all the time, that's why he keeps going on about us.Pretty much and he had a dig back when he won the title which is the best time

No problem with that at all.

Özim

10-06-2012, 08:42 PM

No, he stepped up and agitated his way out of the club. For those people who think he should be 'respected', why didn't he show us a little more respect?
Agitated? He was at the club for what 8 years or something and every season the same thing repeats itself, at some point you tired of this and stop believing.

I don't think he showed any disrespect.

Xhaka Can’t

10-06-2012, 08:42 PM

Not all but some. As for Cesc, you can't expect a player at that age to win us a league title on his own like that. He should have been learning from experienced players and improving his game not leading a team.

Not really expecting him to do that. And I do agree with your post. But in terms of where we are now, he has moved on and in many ways he got what he wanted from us and his stock rose as a result of being with us and the roles thrust upon him. I just don't think that a player who has won nothing with us or seen out his career with us will be remembered. He has left as he hit his prime, and in many ways he encouraged a circus to develop to facilitate the move.

But it is to his boyhood Club and he should just satisfy himself with that and even though I don't like the way it happened, I can live with it. Yeah he 'enjoyed' his time here, but his actions show his heart was elsewhere, so I don't know why he has to go on about us now. Just make the break clean and get on with Barcelona.

Cripps_orig

10-06-2012, 08:44 PM

Agitated? He was at the club for what 8 years or something and every season the same thing repeats itself, at some point you tired of this and stop believing.

I don't think he showed any disrespect.Doesnt make him any less of a **** tbh

Özim

10-06-2012, 08:45 PM

the **** nasri is obsessed with us. every day its him talking about us etc. as soon as they won the league his first interview was about us not how happy he was etc. and he hardly played a major part. that game against us? where the fuck was he? he bottled it and they got lucky
He's got a championship winning medal at the end of the day, that alone happy he made the right decision, if he stayed with us he'd still have f*ck all, I'm pretty sure he's sure he's quite pleased with is decision.

Why exactly should players stick around, we offer them nothing and that's not an attractive proposition to talented players.

IBK

10-06-2012, 08:48 PM

10-06-2012, 09:33 PM

Rumors that Arsenal will sign Olivier Giroud for £12m, plus add-ons for any trophies he wins at the club, bringing the deal to around £12m.

Xhaka Can’t

10-06-2012, 09:37 PM

Rumors that Arsenal will sign Olivier Giroud for £12m, plus add-ons for any trophies he wins at the club, bringing the deal to around £12m.

:rimshot:

Niall_Quinn

10-06-2012, 09:40 PM

Nasri gets abuse on Twitter all the time, that's why he keeps going on about us.

That's good to know. Hope the abuse follows him all the way to Crewe or wherever he's going one the could-have-been but now has-been is dumped by city. Horrible little ****.

Xhaka Can’t

10-06-2012, 09:42 PM

Wait a minute.

People are being abusive on Twitter?

Niall_Quinn

10-06-2012, 09:48 PM

He's got a championship winning medal at the end of the day, that alone happy he made the right decision, if he stayed with us he'd still have f*ck all, I'm pretty sure he's sure he's quite pleased with is decision.

Why exactly should players stick around, we offer them nothing and that's not an attractive proposition to talented players.

Erm, let me think. Because they get paid tens of thousands of quid a week by fans who turn up to see them week after week and chant their fucking name? More fool us right? But still. Because they could do themselves a big favour and instead of being utterly detached from the planet they live on with the rest of us they could muck in, stick around and face a real challenge instead of running off to greener pastures where the going is easier and the pay is trebled? Oh sure, your average cynical mercenary will go for the easy life and extra pay, no surprise there. None at all. A ****'s a ****. But just once in a while it would be nice to hear from one of these brattish kids along the lines of them having more money than they know what the fuck to do with so why not think a bit about paying something back in terms of loyalty and application to the club that put them on the big stage.

What does it mean to be a fan? What are the key character traits of the fan? Now compare them to the typical traits of your modern footballer. Bit of a fucking disconnect there, wouldn't you say? So we can put up with the ****s who take the cash, fuck off and keep their mouth shut. But we don't much like the shitty little fucks who take the cash and then crap on the mat on the way out. It's right they get a kick in the arse, isn't it? Or should we be sympathising with them like some do?

Özim

10-06-2012, 10:36 PM

Erm, let me think. Because they get paid tens of thousands of quid a week by fans who turn up to see them week after week and chant their fucking name? More fool us right? But still. Because they could do themselves a big favour and instead of being utterly detached from the planet they live on with the rest of us they could muck in, stick around and face a real challenge instead of running off to greener pastures where the going is easier and the pay is trebled? Oh sure, your average cynical mercenary will go for the easy life and extra pay, no surprise there. None at all. A ****'s a ****. But just once in a while it would be nice to hear from one of these brattish kids along the lines of them having more money than they know what the fuck to do with so why not think a bit about paying something back in terms of loyalty and application to the club that put them on the big stage.

What does it mean to be a fan? What are the key character traits of the fan? Now compare them to the typical traits of your modern footballer. Bit of a fucking disconnect there, wouldn't you say? So we can put up with the ****s who take the cash, fuck off and keep their mouth shut. But we don't much like the shitty little fucks who take the cash and then crap on the mat on the way out. It's right they get a kick in the arse, isn't it? Or should we be sympathising with them like some do?
You expect a player who comes to the club, probably doesn't even support the club to feel they owe the club something? If you've been at a club for many years you have some sort of attachment, but if you've been there a couple seasons then no there isn't any, we're a stepping stone club, that's how players see us and you can't blame them as we're not really that focussed on success.

A player has one career at the end of the day and I can understand the frustration of playing for a club like us who don't really seem to ever get any closer to winning. Little changes, the same problems manifest themselves and we generally bring in unknowns and lose our best players.

If you keep selling your best players, don't expect any others you have to stick around.

Niall_Quinn

10-06-2012, 11:51 PM

You expect a player who comes to the club, probably doesn't even support the club to feel they owe the club something? If you've been at a club for many years you have some sort of attachment, but if you've been there a couple seasons then no there isn't any, we're a stepping stone club, that's how players see us and you can't blame them as we're not really that focussed on success.

A player has one career at the end of the day and I can understand the frustration of playing for a club like us who don't really seem to ever get any closer to winning. Little changes, the same problems manifest themselves and we generally bring in unknowns and lose our best players.

If you keep selling your best players, don't expect any others you have to stick around.

A player has one career at the end of the day? Are you serious? Years ago when they earned twice as much as your average factory worker and drank pints in the pub with the fans then fair enough. But today when they're earning in a week what the fan earns in a year or more? Add up the weeks. One season is a lifetime, paid directly from the fans' pockets. Not sure why your heart is bleeding for them. Not sure why it's impossible to think they owe something to the club and the fans because they sure as hell do when all their posturing and hand wringing and agent drivel is stripped away. We have to listen to ****s like Christian Ronaldo claiming he's a slave? And then have sympathy? If they don't support the club the minute the first wheelbarrow of cash lands in their account and the minute the first shirt is sold with their name on the back and at the first chant they hear from the crowd then fuck them, right? It's not the fans that have the problem, it's these greedy ****s. Not saying the clubs aren't just as bad, and these fucking deviant owners. They're all a pile of shit. But that's how the game is these days, now it has been ruined beyond repair. But let's dispense the violin symphony and the "can't blame them", "understand them", bullshit. Like I said, let the fuckers rob the fans but let them keep their mouths shut while they do it. Just that one tiny concession, that 0.01% return, that's all that's being asked of them. Too much?

fakeyank

11-06-2012, 12:20 AM

A player has one career at the end of the day? Are you serious? Years ago when they earned twice as much as your average factory worker and drank pints in the pub with the fans then fair enough. But today when they're earning in a week what the fan earns in a year or more? Add up the weeks. One season is a lifetime, paid directly from the fans' pockets. Not sure why your heart is bleeding for them. Not sure why it's impossible to think they owe something to the club and the fans because they sure as hell do when all their posturing and hand wringing and agent drivel is stripped away. We have to listen to ****s like Christian Ronaldo claiming he's a slave? And then have sympathy? If they don't support the club the minute the first wheelbarrow of cash lands in their account and the minute the first shirt is sold with their name on the back and at the first chant they hear from the crowd then fuck them, right? It's not the fans that have the problem, it's these greedy ****s. Not saying the clubs aren't just as bad, and these fucking deviant owners. They're all a pile of shit. But that's how the game is these days, now it has been ruined beyond repair. But let's dispense the violin symphony and the "can't blame them", "understand them", bullshit. Like I said, let the fuckers rob the fans but let them keep their mouths shut while they do it. Just that one tiny concession, that 0.01% return, that's all that's being asked of them. Too much?

Socialist..

fakeyank

11-06-2012, 12:20 AM

Pot, kettle etc. Only thing I don't understand is why you always come across as so bitter of late.

I'm done with this childish argument and do hope you can find some joy in your life.

:gp:

Niall_Quinn

11-06-2012, 12:51 AM

Socialist..

Would that be the American definition of socialism? Or the correct definition?

Cripps_orig

11-06-2012, 12:58 AM

Arsenal are ready to offer Marouane Chamakh to Montpellier in part-exchange for Olivier Giroud.
Full story: Inside Futbol

No thanks

Niall_Quinn

11-06-2012, 01:31 AM

No thanks

Agreed. Why can't we just get rid of Chamakh and let them keep Giroud? Montpellier will need a striker if Chamakh ends up going there.

McNamara That Ghost...

11-06-2012, 10:44 AM

L'Equipe are reporting Thiago Silva to PSG for somewhere between 40-50 million euros will be done this week.

:rolleyes:

Marc Overmars

11-06-2012, 11:13 AM

L'Equipe are reporting Thiago Silva to PSG for somewhere between 40-50 million euros will be done this week.

:rolleyes:

Napoli have also agreed to sell Lavezzi however the club remains unamed, it is thought to be PSG though.

Ambition. :bow:

Flavs

11-06-2012, 11:20 AM

:lol:

Financial fair play my derrière

Shaqiri Is Boss

11-06-2012, 11:22 AM

It's essentially just activating the 'unlimited money' cheat and setting everything to 'amateur'.

11-06-2012, 11:29 AM

I'm feeling a bit unambitious this month. Can't wait for payday.

LDG

11-06-2012, 11:34 AM

I'm feeling a bit unambitious this month. Can't wait for payday.

I will be ambitious in three years when I've saved enough money.

Joker

11-06-2012, 11:42 AM

Cripps_orig

11-06-2012, 11:45 AM

I guess you could argue what PSG, City, Chelsea are doing isn't ambitious (although I would disagree) but even then, it's more ambitious than Kroenke's "vision" for our club, which is to finish in the top 4, and use the revenue to run a steady ship maintain healthy profits, all for the benefits of the shareholders as very little will be reinvested into the team, only enough to keep us in the Champions League places.BS tbh. Its what fans of every club dream of. At the start of every season, they dont dream of trophies or seeing good football, they want to see their clubs making profits, win f all and embarass themselves over the seasons

LDG

11-06-2012, 11:48 AM

I guess you could argue what PSG, City, Chelsea are doing isn't ambitious (although I would disagree) but even then, it's more ambitious than Kroenke's "vision" for our club, which is to finish in the top 4, and use the revenue to run a steady ship maintain healthy profits, all for the benefits of the shareholders as very little will be reinvested into the team, only enough to keep us in the Champions League places.

......until we have paid off the stadium debt, renegotiated sponsorship deals etc, and made sure our transfer pot is more than 30mil each year. You know, so we're not spending more cash than we actually have.

Joker

11-06-2012, 11:58 AM

......until we have paid off the stadium debt, renegotiated sponsorship deals etc, and made sure our transfer pot is more than 30mil each year. You know, so we're not spending more cash than we actually have.

So you're saying making a bit more money available to spend over the last 5 years would have had led to the debt level exploding? Are we in such a dire financial position that a transfer pot of £30M would result in huge ecoonmic problems for the club? If that's the case the board have run the club in the shoddiest way imaginable, and moving to the new stadium has been a bad idea. Either that or the money is available to spend (as the board claim) and it's Wenger whose shown an incredible disregard for the club by failing to spend it on quality players.

And I think people exaggerate the dangers of debt, you can see it in the hysterical reaction of the Tories to the budget deficit. Excess debt is not sustainable for governments or companies, and City's finances are not healthy for the game. However, I think either the board or Wenger are being overly traditionally Victorian in their views about debt. Running a deficit temporarily by bringing in high quality players may end up being self financing, especially if we actually lift a trophy, which will attract more supporters to take up season tickets, and creates more demand for merchandise, etc.

LDG

11-06-2012, 12:11 PM

So you're saying making a bit more money available to spend over the last 5 years would have had led to the debt level exploding? Are we in such a dire financial position that a transfer pot of £30M would result in huge ecoonmic problems for the club? If that's the case the board have run the club in the shoddiest way imaginable, and moving to the new stadium has been a bad idea. Either that or the money is available to spend (as the board claim) and it's Wenger whose shown an incredible disregard for the club by failing to spend it on quality players.

And I think people exaggerate the dangers of debt, you can see it in the hysterical reaction of the Tories to the budget deficit. Excess debt is not sustainable for governments or companies, and City's finances are not healthy for the game. However, I think either the board or Wenger are being overly traditionally Victorian in their views about debt. Running a deficit temporarily by bringing in high quality players may end up being self financing, especially if we actually lift a trophy, which will attract more supporters to take up season tickets, and creates more demand for merchandise, etc.

Simply, we have 30mil before player sales, which needs to cover transfers and wage increases. So hopefully, shifting some deadwood, and cutting the wage bill will help increase that pot. Then we're reliant on our manager to spend it in the best possible way, improving our squad.

We have this 30mil, after covering all our bases. I won't go into detail, as it's far too complicated, but was very well covered by Swiss Ramble's blog a few months back.

Moving to a new stadium was not a bad idea. We just about managed it at the right time, when the "mortgage" and repayment deal was at the best we could have gotten it, and before the recession. We were unlucky that the recession hit just at the point we were trying to sell the flats...else the landscape may have looked slightly rosier.

And without that additional revenue from the stadium, there is no way we would be where we are now. In fact, there is an argument that we would be considerably worse off.

The only ****ing problem which stinks to high heaven, is the agressive takeover by Kronke. He has put NOTHING into the club, but is looking to take EVERYTHING out of it. And it's the shareholders who sold out to this man. Not Arsene Wenger. You can blame our manager for buying the wrong players, but not for what he has to spend.

Özim

11-06-2012, 12:14 PM

LDG

11-06-2012, 12:19 PM

It's OK, they like his "sort".

He's a vulture.

And he has a moustache.

Globalgunner

11-06-2012, 12:40 PM

The only ****ing problem which stinks to high heaven, is the agressive takeover by Kronke. He has put NOTHING into the club, but is looking to take EVERYTHING out of it. And it's the shareholders who sold out to this man. Not Arsene Wenger. You can blame our manager for buying the wrong players, but not for what he has to spend.

Not true, Kroenke put a whole lot of cash into peoples pockets, people like Lady Nina, and the rest who saw their share prices quadruple in value in about 3 years and made a mint. Problem is Stan ran into a brick wall at 69% ownership with Usmanov holding the rest. If Stan had been able to buy the company outright, he might have invested more in the club to increase its success and value. Right now it is a cold war, style East-west standoff. Kroenke is the one who is now recouping his investment, with only the bare minimum going back into the playing staff. Just enough to keep us in the CL places. We are a cash machine now for Kroenke and Usmanov, both staring at each other balefully across an ocean of currency

Japan Shaking All Over

11-06-2012, 01:31 PM

Just came across this....its title was Giroud in - Van Persie out? - cant see why we cant have both - although two out one in sounds about right a la Arsenal

It’s hardly going to take the most paranoid conspiracy theorist to put together the two biggest Arsenal stories from yesterday together and making the assumptions that I am going to to here.

For starters yesterday morning we had Peter Hill-Wood loudly proclaiming that Arsenal will not match the riches on offer for Van Persie if he moves to the likes of Man City, which is practically giving the green light for a rich team to make the Dutchman a big offer (a la Nasri).

Then, later on in the afternoon, it is very loudly revealed that Arsenal have agreed a £13million deal (with Marouane Chamakh probably going the other way) with Montpellier for the Ligue 1 top scorer Olivier Giroud. The big 24 year-old is obviously very talented with 25 goals and 9 assists from just 43 games for the Ligue 1 Champions last season.

Now maybe I may be a bit feeble-minded, but those two bits of news have made it quite clear to me that Robin Van Persie will not be playing for the Gunners next season, as Giroud is never going to sign for someone without being promised a starting place after the season he’s had, so he is a ready-made replacement.

Am I right?

Japan Shaking All Over

11-06-2012, 01:35 PM

And there was this, title......Arshavin out, Dzagoev in

Arsenal are about to sell their Russian midfielder-and then buy a Russian midfielder! by BA

Andrey Arshavin had a great start to Euro 2012 and has made Arsene Wenger’s job of recouping some of his transfer fee a lot easier. He has been on loan at his old club Zenit St. Petersburg and his resurgence of form has made the club keen to keep him.

Zenit were being cute by trying to get him for another season on loan as they knew that Arsenal did not want him back, but his display against the Czech Republic has drawn interest from other clubs. Metro reports that Fulham have inquired about Arshavin , and this has led the Russian club to open talks with the Gunners about signing the midfielder.

Now Wenger is in a position to demand a decent amount for Arshavin, who cost around £15 million when Arsenal bought him. He plans to use the proceeds to sign Arshavin’s international team mate and leading scorer in Euro 2012, Alan Dzagoev. The 21-year old is a creative and attacking midfielder who showed that he can finish after smashing two goals past the Czechs.

Dzagoev plays for CSKA Moscow and only has a year left on his contract. He has played 153 games for his club and scored an impressive 37 goals from midfield. Arsenal might need to move quickly, as Chelsea and Roman Abramovich are also keen on the young star.

Niall_Quinn

11-06-2012, 01:35 PM

I guess you could argue what PSG, City, Chelsea are doing isn't ambitious (although I would disagree) but even then, it's more ambitious than Kroenke's "vision" for our club, which is to finish in the top 4, and use the revenue to run a steady ship maintain healthy profits, all for the benefits of the shareholders as very little will be reinvested into the team, only enough to keep us in the Champions League places.

We don't know for sure that this is Kroenke's model. It's highly likely he's here to milk the club but not enough time has elapsed yet to confirm this. That said, he's verbally confirmed it on several occasions so I don't hold out much hope. Leaving comedy clubs like Chelsea aside, I certainly agree the last batch of shareholders were greedy beyond belief and should be condemned for what they did.

Niall_Quinn

11-06-2012, 01:38 PM

Simply, we have 30mil before player sales, which needs to cover transfers and wage increases. So hopefully, shifting some deadwood, and cutting the wage bill will help increase that pot. Then we're reliant on our manager to spend it in the best possible way, improving our squad.

We have this 30mil, after covering all our bases. I won't go into detail, as it's far too complicated, but was very well covered by Swiss Ramble's blog a few months back.

Moving to a new stadium was not a bad idea. We just about managed it at the right time, when the "mortgage" and repayment deal was at the best we could have gotten it, and before the recession. We were unlucky that the recession hit just at the point we were trying to sell the flats...else the landscape may have looked slightly rosier.

And without that additional revenue from the stadium, there is no way we would be where we are now. In fact, there is an argument that we would be considerably worse off.

The only ****ing problem which stinks to high heaven, is the agressive takeover by Kronke. He has put NOTHING into the club, but is looking to take EVERYTHING out of it. And it's the shareholders who sold out to this man. Not Arsene Wenger. You can blame our manager for buying the wrong players, but not for what he has to spend.

Always £30mill, isn't it?

Yes, that's the problem. The shareholders past and probably present. Our bunch don't have as much cash as the criminals at Chelsea and City. You could say they are still in the wanting zone whereas the latter are in the living it large zone. I'm sure our greedy bastards are ambitious in the respect at least.

Cripps_orig

11-06-2012, 03:27 PM

MAROUANE FELLAINI admits he may be forced to leave Everton to fulfil his desire to play European football.

The Belgium midfielder, who signed a new long-term contract in November, has been linked with a money-spinning move to Chelsea this summer.

Fellaini, 24, is currently happy with life at Goodison Park but the lure of playing in the Champions League or Europa League could tempt him away.

He said: "If I have got to go, I will go. If not, I repeat, I am at Everton.

“I am ambitious — I want to play in the Champions League or in the Europa League.

“Last season we finished seventh and were not able to qualify for Europe, which was a shame."

Fellaini added: “If an ambitious club comes in for me? Why not, just to gain experience.

"But I’m on vacation right now, I do not give speculation too much attention.

“Every year they say I’ll be transferred to the left or right but I’m still at Everton.

“If it comes, I take, if it does not come, I stay at Everton, where I am happy, and where I still have a four-year contract.

“Everything goes fast in football. You can be transferred tomorrow, as you can be in one or two years.”

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/4366456/MAROUANE-FELLAINI-may-be-forced-to-leave-Everton-to-fulfil-his-desire-to-play-European-football.html

Must Get

Master Splinter

11-06-2012, 03:46 PM

Get GHELavic as well tbf.

Özim

11-06-2012, 03:51 PM

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/4366456/MAROUANE-FELLAINI-may-be-forced-to-leave-Everton-to-fulfil-his-desire-to-play-European-football.html

Must Get
Brilliant player, can't see us signing him though, would probably cost too much for us.

Kano

11-06-2012, 10:15 PM

Giroud perhaps more concrete now, apparently his manager René Girard told french radio that they are in talks.

Cripps_orig

11-06-2012, 11:04 PM

Zenit St Petersburg have opened informal talks with Arsenal over re-signing Andrey Arshavin, 31, as the midfield dynamo impresses at Euro 2012
Full story: MetroNeed a replacement

AKBapologist

12-06-2012, 01:11 AM

RVP stays, ghoul and drago in, and that would be a fantastic summer. Probably the best one we could hope for.

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Cripps_orig

12-06-2012, 01:14 AM

Ghoul?

fakeyank

12-06-2012, 01:21 AM

Drago? :unsure:

Japan Shaking All Over

12-06-2012, 04:35 AM

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/4366456/MAROUANE-FELLAINI-may-be-forced-to-leave-Everton-to-fulfil-his-desire-to-play-European-football.html

Must Get

Would be good.....but gotta a feeling we won't pay the dosh they would want or the wedge he would ask his agent to push for......

Japan Shaking All Over

12-06-2012, 04:36 AM

Need a replacement

see #3099 (prev page) - came from Just Arsenal so not much cop but would he do......bet you're live that Andi would be warning him off us......

Japan Shaking All Over

12-06-2012, 04:39 AM

Drago? :unsure:

http://prosnookerblog.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/dscf0752-e1269714534933.jpg?w=300

:shrug:

cricketsi

12-06-2012, 07:40 AM

http://prosnookerblog.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/dscf0752-e1269714534933.jpg?w=300

:shrug:
I used to see him at my local snooker club when I lived in Tooting. He'd gotten even fatter than that photo.

I assumed Drago was intended as some generic term for a Russian.

Kano

12-06-2012, 08:44 AM

Giroud perhaps more concrete now, apparently his manager René Girard told french radio that they are in talks.

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11670/7807743/Arsenal-lead-Giroud-chase

Marc Overmars

12-06-2012, 08:50 AM

RVP. :wave:

12-06-2012, 09:01 AM

RVP. :wave:

:gp:

Hello, RVP :wave:

LDG

12-06-2012, 09:20 AM

I'm assuming Shamack will be off, Arshavin will be off, and Park will be off.

I'm assuming Podolski is one replacement, and we're looking for another two.

I'm hoping that means RVP stays.

I'm hoping that we'll suppliment the midfield.

In any case, if we keep RVP, add two/three more after Podolski, it'll have been a good summer.

DO NOT FORGET. We have Wilshere to come back in too.

Letters

12-06-2012, 09:25 AM

DO NOT FORGET. We have Wilshere to come back in too.
New signings :bow:

I'm worried about RvP. If he goes then we need to sign some serious reinforcements.

LDG

12-06-2012, 10:26 AM

New signings :bow:

I'm worried about RvP. If he goes then we need to sign some serious reinforcements.

He put the ball in the back of the net for us. If we can find someone to convert the chances we create, like he does, then we don't have a problem.

The real thing, is building on the foundations we started laying last year. Losing RVP would be hurtful, in the sense that we lose some of thise foundations, another captain, and reinforce the fact that we are a selling club....which in turn means it's harder to be a buying club...and means we're eternally developing talent and selling it on, whilst paddling water ourselves.

Losing him says more about the philosophy of the club, than it does affect what we have on the pitch.

If it wasn't for the "emotional" blow to the club of losing another star player, we would be able to carry on and replace him reasonably easily. IMO, or course.

KSE Comedy Club

12-06-2012, 10:35 AM

If we get Giroud and and a midfielder then I think RVP will stay.

Globalgunner

12-06-2012, 10:48 AM

I think getting rid of the dross, is just as important. there are probably 7 players sitting on a collective weekly pay of 300-400k, that could be released to do a lot more than clog the bench. I also believe we need a new keeper, or a new goalkeeping coach to iron out the kinks in fabianski and Scsz. Will Bould really have a voice in the dressing room and in training sessions. We can only hope.

V-Pig

12-06-2012, 10:51 AM

We're definitely getting M'Vila AND Giroud ~ Twitter.

I'll take that. MOC :bow:

Joker

12-06-2012, 11:14 AM

Replacing RVP won't be that easy tbh. It's not just his goals that we'd need to replace, but he also assisted quite a few goals as well, so getting a "fox in the box" wouldn't be a like-for-like trade and we'd be losing something upfront if that's what happens.

It's by no means impossible to replace RVP, but we would need to pay top dollar to get the sort of player who would give us everything RVP did, and possibly more.

Power n Glory

12-06-2012, 11:18 AM

We're losing both Theo and RVP this season. That's why we're signing two first team attackers.

Shaqiri Is Boss

12-06-2012, 11:29 AM

I keep on reading (granted from no reputable sources, then again what are reputable sources?) that Kenny agreed a deal for Walcott before he left.

Can't see it myself.

McNamara That Ghost...

12-06-2012, 11:33 AM

Martin Lipton
Arsenal signing of Yann M'Vila effectively confirmed by statement from Rennes on French Stock Exchange. So that's Podolski, M'Vila and Giroud, all heading for the Emirates. If anything can persuade Robin Van Persie to stay at the club, surely these statements of intent will. Three big and important signings, which will surely please Arsene Wenger and the Arsenal fans. Major contrast to last summer when it was all about exits. Onus now on RVP to clarify his position

Then...

Martin Lipton ‏@MartinLipton
Am told by both @BFairthorne and the estimable @Darren_Can that M'Vila stock exchange story is hoax. Sorry, all. But will still sign

:haha:

Niall_Quinn

12-06-2012, 11:34 AM

We're losing both Theo and RVP this season. That's why we're signing two first team attackers.

Wouldn't surprise me. Everyone looks at this in footballing terms, who would be a good replacement, what sort of cover do we have, etc, etc. But for me the question is how far can Kroenke push things before he has a revolution on his hands. That's assuming he's in this to bank the deficit between the current commercial deals and the new deals that can be signed in the near future. If selling is an integral part of the business plan (which it seems to be), then getting that CL spot and also attracting the sponsors makes it a difficult balancing act for the board. And this makes Wenger the most perfect manager for the situation. He can achieve that crucial CL goal, leave Ivan and the rest of the American crew coming in to sort out the shirts and billboards and Stan is quids in if he can keep the whole ship afloat for 4-5 years. Even if it's sinking by the end (or the plan allows for submersion) they can dump the whole mess of Usmanov who has already said he's a fan of kicking cash in to buy success.

I really can't figure how things look for us on the pitch any more. You could say that if we can keep RvP and add a few reinforcements we could challenge - at least for some insignificant pot like the CC. But from Stan's point of view, if he can keep things rolling using Wenger to build the assets until they become ripe to be flogged off, it all looks pretty achievable based on the past record. Could it really be as cynical as that? I would think so. Would love to give Stan the benefit of the doubt but it's hard to imagine he's here to build a team of champions.

Power n Glory

12-06-2012, 11:57 AM

We've been a selling club for ages, before Stan's arrival and the fact is players want to leave, they're not being sold off because offers are coming through and we just can't say no.

LDG

12-06-2012, 12:00 PM

Wouldn't surprise me. Everyone looks at this in footballing terms, who would be a good replacement, what sort of cover do we have, etc, etc. But for me the question is how far can Kroenke push things before he has a revolution on his hands. That's assuming he's in this to bank the deficit between the current commercial deals and the new deals that can be signed in the near future. If selling is an integral part of the business plan (which it seems to be), then getting that CL spot and also attracting the sponsors makes it a difficult balancing act for the board. And this makes Wenger the most perfect manager for the situation. He can achieve that crucial CL goal, leave Ivan and the rest of the American crew coming in to sort out the shirts and billboards and Stan is quids in if he can keep the whole ship afloat for 4-5 years. Even if it's sinking by the end (or the plan allows for submersion) they can dump the whole mess of Usmanov who has already said he's a fan of kicking cash in to buy success.

I really can't figure how things look for us on the pitch any more. You could say that if we can keep RvP and add a few reinforcements we could challenge - at least for some insignificant pot like the CC. But from Stan's point of view, if he can keep things rolling using Wenger to build the assets until they become ripe to be flogged off, it all looks pretty achievable based on the past record. Could it really be as cynical as that? I would think so. Would love to give Stan the benefit of the doubt but it's hard to imagine he's here to build a team of champions.

Of course he isn't. He's here to milk every last drop dry before he sells to the fat russian.

Who will then own 99.9% of the club.

What is still keeping me in it, is history, and clinging to the vague hope that Wenger still has some magic powder left to sprinkle onto the team for one last hurrah, doing it the proper way, before we become the next City/Chelsea etc.

Niall_Quinn

12-06-2012, 12:11 PM

We've been a selling club for ages, before Stan's arrival and the fact is players want to leave, they're not being sold off because offers are coming through and we just can't say no.

Didn't say we haven't been a selling club. In fact I'm saying our success in that respect (as defined and enjoyed by crusty old men) is probably what attracted Stan in the first place, along with our apparent incompetence on the commercial side. Either that or he's realising his boyhood dream to own his favourite "soccer" team.

V-Pig

12-06-2012, 01:12 PM

Can't wait 'til we lose the "Nando's Chicken Bones"™ of Theo. Eboue had it right. Theo's an average player with occasional shows of effort which make him look better than he is.

Master Splinter

12-06-2012, 05:01 PM

BBC:

A bit of news back on the domestic front for you, and Manchester United have signed teenager Nick Powell from Crewe for an undisclosed fee.

Shame Gary Neville wasn't around to secure this deal for us.

Young Guns 11

12-06-2012, 10:38 PM

Djourou on twitter:

I just wanted to deny all what have been said in the press about my transfer. It isn't true at all. I have been at Arsenal since 10 years now and I m always commited to this club.

Sort of feel bad for him, a decent player and a decent guy, just not good enough for us and will never be a starter. Do hope he moves on.

Cripps_orig

12-06-2012, 11:05 PM

Arsenal are in pole position to sign Montpellier forward Olivier Giroud, 25, according to his club coach Rene Girard.
Full story: Metro

We've been linked with this dude for a month or 2

F all happening

Japan Shaking All Over

13-06-2012, 01:11 AM

We've been linked with this dude for a month or 2

F all happening

Not true. . .I would say two months is about right for us to pluck up the courage to ask for a dance

Niall_Quinn

13-06-2012, 01:15 AM

We've been linked with this dude for a month or 2

F all happening

Worried we're getting the next Bendtner here.

Globalgunner

13-06-2012, 06:00 AM

Djourou on twitter:

Sort of feel bad for him, a decent player and a decent guy, just not good enough for us and will never be a starter. Do hope he moves on.

Another example of Arsenal`s failed policies. 10 years and still crap. think back to the game at Barca in 2010 when we all felt the worst when he went off with an injury, He was then seen as our best available defender. Not hard when we had the fantasticSylvestre, closely followed later by the amazing Squillaci. He doesnt want to leave cos hes probably on 50k and no one in his right mind will pay him more than half that. Wenger......the last word when it comes to defenders and defending.

KSE Comedy Club

13-06-2012, 07:20 AM

Worried we're getting the next Bendtner here.Nah.

Giroud can actually score goals.

Boss

13-06-2012, 07:37 AM

WMUG

13-06-2012, 08:22 AM

He put the ball in the back of the net for us. If we can find someone to convert the chances we create, like he does, then we don't have a problem.

The real thing, is building on the foundations we started laying last year. Losing RVP would be hurtful, in the sense that we lose some of thise foundations, another captain, and reinforce the fact that we are a selling club....which in turn means it's harder to be a buying club...and means we're eternally developing talent and selling it on, whilst paddling water ourselves.

Losing him says more about the philosophy of the club, than it does affect what we have on the pitch.

If it wasn't for the "emotional" blow to the club of losing another star player, we would be able to carry on and replace him reasonably easily. IMO, or course.I think you underestimate the amount he contributed to other players' goals last season; he got 9 assists, the most in the squad behind Song the Destroyer (tm).

His goals can be replaced, but he is much more than a "stick it in the back of the net after everyone else does the hard work" guy. Much more.

Kano

13-06-2012, 08:34 AM

Djourou is eligible for a testimonial soon :rose:

And while I think Giroud is a very decent player, I do fear that if him and Podolski come in it has to mean Van Persie is off. That said not sure who could sign him since the Spanish clubs don't need him and he won't move to an English club or Juventus.

podols will play on the left and giroud would be much needed back up for rvp, especially as robin will not go through another whole season like this one.

that would be true if rvp was staying. but he isn't. so ignore me.

LDG

13-06-2012, 08:34 AM

WMUG

13-06-2012, 08:53 AM

Nah. Not really. Top quality player. And yes, he does have a lot more to his game than goals....

But we play as a team, and someone else will step up to provide the assists. We don't have a problem creating chances, we have a problem finishing them. Luckily for us, RVP was here this year to finish them.

Of course, I want him to stay. Goes without saying.My worry is that we will have problems creating chances without him. We can't rely on StD too heavily.

LDG

13-06-2012, 08:58 AM

My worry is that we will have problems creating chances without him. We can't rely on StD too heavily.

Wilshere will be like a new signing. DO NOT FORGET.

Letters

13-06-2012, 09:02 AM

:lol:

I don't think making chances will be an issue with or without RvP.

When you've got Gervinho trying to stick them away though... :ilt:

AKBapologist

13-06-2012, 09:34 AM

If no one seemed to be coming in, we'd be worried RVP was off anyway so I'd rather we'd be proactive and care less about him fucking off than the opposite.

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Power n Glory

13-06-2012, 09:50 AM

:lol:

I don't think making chances will be an issue with or without RvP.

When you've got Gervinho trying to stick them away though... :ilt:

We had a real problem with creating chances last season. We looked really bad in some games. If we lose RVP along with Theo, that's our 1st and 2nd highest goal scorers gone in one season along with their assists. Theo set up 13 last season and Robin got 17. I don't think that can easily be replaced. We struggled badly without Cesc and Nasri. Our fluidity of play disappeared. It all fell on the shoulders of our most consistent performers after Cesc and Nasri and luckily the pair were able to stay fit last season. We really can't afford to lose both and expect our style of play to continue. Last season was bad enough.

LDG

13-06-2012, 09:58 AM

Keep the faith dude! :d

I think we'll be alright. At least one of the pair will stay I should think.

If Wally goes, then Chambo will auto-start there I reckon.

Letters

13-06-2012, 10:03 AM

We had a real problem with creating chances last season. We looked really bad in some games. If we lose RVP along with Theo, that's our 1st and 2nd highest goal scorers gone in one season along with their assists. Theo set up 13 last season and Robin got 17. I don't think that can easily be replaced. We struggled badly without Cesc and Nasri. Our fluidity of play disappeared. It all fell on the shoulders of our most consistent performers after Cesc and Nasri and luckily the pair were able to stay fit last season. We really can't afford to lose both and expect our style of play to continue. Last season was bad enough.
We scored more league goals last year than the year before :shrug:
There were times we looked poor, other times we looked pretty good.

Obviously losing the top 2 scorers wouldn't be good for any team.

Power n Glory

13-06-2012, 10:03 AM

Keep the faith dude! :d

I think we'll be alright. At least one of the pair will stay I should think.

If Wally goes, then Chambo will auto-start there I reckon.

It's really hard to considering what we did last season.

Letters

13-06-2012, 10:04 AM

It's really hard to considering what we did last season.
Finish 3rd? :unsure: (Higher than the previous season and with more league points and more goals scored too...)

13-06-2012, 10:06 AM

Finish 3rd? :unsure: (Higher than the previous season and with more league points and more goals scored too...)

No :angry:

Are you forgetting we were relegated with zero points?

Power n Glory

13-06-2012, 10:07 AM

Finish 3rd? :unsure: (Higher than the previous season and with more league points and more goals scored too...)

I'm not talking about our league position. I'm talking about how we let two of our best performers leave in one summer. It's not impossible for the same to happen again this season.

LDG

13-06-2012, 10:09 AM

It's really hard to considering what we did last season.

What, coming from 17th to finish 3rd?

We battled that out last season. I admit it wasn't pretty at times, but we showed some backbone for the first time in years. The quality let us down on occassion, and we clearly didn't have enough quality back-up.

But as I said at the end of the season. If we can build on that, there's room for optimism.

Of course, if we get rid of RVP and Smallcock, it really is a sad state of affairs, as it would nail the final nail, that we are a selling club.

I'm still excited to here that we are looking to get some business done though. Podolski is an excellent signing. And if rumours be true that we are in the hunt for MmmmmmVilla, and Girod, well, this isvery positive.

Also looking forward to AOCand Wilshere's contribution next term.

It ain't all negative.

Letters

13-06-2012, 10:10 AM

I'm not talking about our league position. I'm talking about how we let two of our best performers leave in one summer. It's not impossible for the same to happen again this season.OK. Well obviously if that happens we're screwed. Really properly screwed this time. Wenger, good as he is, can't keep us up there if we keep on doing that. We were a RvP injury away from a far poorer outcome last year. We're not going to get relegated if he goes but with City and Utd sure to be up there, Chelsea buying their way back in and Spurs and Liverpool sure to spend again it's going to be very tough to finish top 4 next year even with RvP. Without him I think we'll really struggle.

LDG

13-06-2012, 10:11 AM

Ah. Just seen your other post.

Anyway. Still optimistic that we're looking to improve the squad and cull some of the deadwood.

LDG

13-06-2012, 10:12 AM

OK. Well obviously if that happens we're screwed. Really properly screwed this time. Wenger, good as he is, can't keep us up there if we keep on doing that. We were a RvP injury away from a far poorer outcome last year. We're not going to get relegated if he goes but with City and Utd sure to be up there, Chelsea buying their way back in and Spurs and Liverpool sure to spend again it's going to be very tough to finish top 4 next year even with RvP. Without him I think we'll really struggle.

Unless we replace hime with equal quality, of course.

But essentially, if we let him and Walcott go without replacing them properly....well, we are in a pickle.

Unless of course, someone else starts being superstar. Which, judging by teams past, is a pretty good possibility.

Kano

13-06-2012, 10:14 AM

What, coming from 17th to finish 3rd?

We battled that out last season. I admit it wasn't pretty at times, but we showed some backbone for the first time in years. The quality let us down on occassion, and we clearly didn't have enough quality back-up.

But as I said at the end of the season. If we can build on that, there's room for optimism.

Of course, if we get rid of RVP and Smallcock, it really is a sad state of affairs, as it would nail the final nail, that we are a selling club.

I'm still excited to here that we are looking to get some business done though. Podolski is an excellent signing. And if rumours be true that we are in the hunt for MmmmmmVilla, and Girod, well, this isvery positive.

Also looking forward to AOCand Wilshere's contribution next term.

It ain't all negative.
it never is all negative but one thing is for sure, as long as wenger sticks around we'll keep going round in circles.

Power n Glory

13-06-2012, 10:14 AM

Even if they both leave, I'll be excited to see who we bring in and how we look as a team, but we'd still be on this never ending project where vital building blocks keep getting taken away. We just need some stability for once.

Letters

13-06-2012, 10:16 AM

Unless we replace hime with equal quality, of course.

But essentially, if we let him and Walcott go without replacing them properly....well, we are in a pickle.

Unless of course, someone else starts being superstar. Which, judging by teams past, is a pretty good possibility.
Well yes, but it would be further stagnation at best. We really have to start pushing on.
Whatever anyone says on here, Wenger's done a great job to keep us qualifying for the CL every year. It's not as easy as it looks, other clubs have spent shitloads to try and achieve it and failed (not City, but when you go throwing that much around you'd wanna be up there).
But we have to push on at some point, challenge harder for trophies and the title. I don't think we can win it in the current climate but we can push a lot harder. We have a good platform right now, a few right signings and keeping our best players and we could really push on. Let our best players go and don't replace them and it's another season of frustration.

Letters

13-06-2012, 10:17 AM

it never is all negative but one thing is for sure, as long as wenger sticks around we'll keep going round in circles.Maybe. The question is when Wenger leaves and we stop going round in circles which direction will we head in...?

Kano

13-06-2012, 10:20 AM

definitely. we'll never know until we find out. unless wenger is immortal then we'll have to some day. after the end of last season i struggle to take much more of it.

Marc Overmars

13-06-2012, 10:21 AM

Maybe. The question is when Wenger leaves and we stop going round in circles which direction will we head in...?

I don't know but at least we won't have that French prick dragging the club through the mud anymore.

LDG

13-06-2012, 10:31 AM

LDG

13-06-2012, 10:32 AM

Well yes, but it would be further stagnation at best. We really have to start pushing on.
Whatever anyone says on here, Wenger's done a great job to keep us qualifying for the CL every year. It's not as easy as it looks, other clubs have spent shitloads to try and achieve it and failed (not City, but when you go throwing that much around you'd wanna be up there).
But we have to push on at some point, challenge harder for trophies and the title. I don't think we can win it in the current climate but we can push a lot harder. We have a good platform right now, a few right signings and keeping our best players and we could really push on. Let our best players go and don't replace them and it's another season of frustration.

Yup. Again, I agree.

LDG

13-06-2012, 10:41 AM

I don't know but at least we won't have that French prick dragging the club through the mud anymore.

Mild Racism :bow:

Niall_Quinn

13-06-2012, 10:46 AM

I think you underestimate the amount he contributed to other players' goals last season; he got 9 assists, the most in the squad behind Song the Destroyer (tm).

His goals can be replaced, but he is much more than a "stick it in the back of the net after everyone else does the hard work" guy. Much more.

Totally agree, he's so much more than a goalscorer. We have RvP, Wilshere and Ox and we had Arshavin (his attitude and laziness killed him). These players possess something extra, a natural ability that you can see in everything they do. It's hard to explain but you know it when you see it. These players are very rare, they can't just be replaced unless you can go and find another special player with the £40mill+ price tag attached (which we won't). When we lose these players we end up with less. Bergkamp, Henry, Pires and Cesc too (no matter what people say about him). We've seen their loss reflected in the declining standards of our football.

It's not just about scoring the goals and winning the points, it's also about jumping out of your chair and involuntarily clapping with your jaw crashed on the floor, when Bergkamp does something you've never seen before, or one of those sweeping counter attacks finds the net like a guided missile flying along laser tuned waypoints in the form or Henry or Pires. That's what I miss most, not the trophies. I can live without the trophies but it's harder to go week to week enduring average football. RvP has alleviated that dullness and sameness. If we lose him then we see another bite taken out of the team that everyone talked when we were playing that magical football that made us a world brand. Fuck Gazidis and his T-Shirts and commemorative mugs. That's the boring arse shit that we endure in the modern game. It's not the game itself though, no matter what these grubby little money men claim. They can fucking do one off a tall building if they won't get their chequebook out for RvP because that guy has delivered and if ****s like Nasri are apparently worth these big fees then RvP certainly is too, without question.

Pay up you fucking tight ****s! Stop talking about balance sheets and show us some football or GTFO.

LDG

13-06-2012, 10:51 AM

Totally agree, he's so much more than a goalscorer. We have RvP, Wilshere and Ox and we had Arshavin (his attitude and laziness killed him). These players possess something extra, a natural ability that you can see in everything they do. It's hard to explain but you know it when you see it. These players are very rare, they can't just be replaced unless you can go and find another special player with the £40mill+ price tag attached (which we won't). When we lose these players we end up with less. Bergkamp, Henry, Pires and Cesc too (no matter what people say about him). We've seen their loss reflected in the declining standards of our football.

It's not just about scoring the goals and winning the points, it's also about jumping out of your chair and involuntarily clapping with your jaw crashed on the floor, when Bergkamp does something you've never seen before, or one of those sweeping counter attacks finds the net like a guided missile flying along laser tuned waypoints in the form or Henry or Pires. That's what I miss most, not the trophies. I can live without the trophies but it's harder to go week to week enduring average football. RvP has alleviated that dullness and sameness. If we lose him then we see another bite taken out of the team that everyone talked when we were playing that magical football that made us a world brand. Fuck Gazidis and his T-Shirts and commemorative mugs. That's the boring arse shit that we endure in the modern game. It's not the game itself though, no matter what these grubby little money men claim. They can fucking do one off a tall building if they won't get their chequebook out for RvP because that guy has delivered and if ****s like Nasri are apparently worth these big fees then RvP certainly is too, without question.

Pay up you fucking tight ****s! Stop talking about balance sheets and show us some football or GTFO.

Well.

When you put it like that.

:crying:

Niall_Quinn

13-06-2012, 10:53 AM

BTW, Wenger has ALWAYS tried to play the game correctly, the way it should be played as a form of entertainment and (in his case) verging on art. That Tony Pulis doesn't have the same vision and has found a mechanical method to kick the artists off the stage and replace them with pub brawlers is not the fault of Arsene Wenger. That money men have found ways to make cash from selling the contents of the gallery is not his fault either. And to some degree (although he's a stubborn mule) his failure to integrate Plan B hoof-a-ball to grab points at the expense of his core beliefs is a blessing, albeit an irritating one. Whatever anyone says against the man, he wins the right way. And yes, there is a right way to play football. It a way that never enters the imaginings of a troll like Pulis.

Coney

13-06-2012, 11:42 AM

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18425253

Arsenal are close to completing a deal to sign Montpellier striker and France international Olivier Giroud for £12m.

The Gunners are expected to confirm the 25-year-old's arrival this week.

It is understood that Arsene Wenger intends to play him alongside fellow new signing Lukas Podolski and Robin van Persie in a front three.

The 6ft 3ins forward, who was an unused substitute in France's 1-1 Euro 2012 draw with England, scored 21 goals in his club's run to the Ligue 1 title.

So he plans to keep RvP then?

Great news if this is correct. Looks pretty convincing.

LDG

13-06-2012, 11:52 AM

Front three??

Walcott :rose:

In fact, I could see that....interesting.

Marc Overmars

13-06-2012, 11:57 AM

Isn't Giroud a typical number 9 though?

RVP obviously has the centre to himself and Podolski takes the left, so it would be interesting to see how Giroud would operate given he'd start from the right, on paper at least anyway.

Munchies

13-06-2012, 11:58 AM

Was actually suprised when I went on BBC's site today regarding Giroud. Finally.

Podolski + Giroud for the same price as Downing, who apparently 'rejected' us :lol:

Our attack is finally looking decent now, just need to add a few more quality squad players / sell the turd.

Dempsey to replace Ramsey, :tumbleweed:

Coney

13-06-2012, 11:59 AM

Implies 4-3-3? Walcott on right midfield?

Asthmatic Kitty

13-06-2012, 12:06 PM

who gives a crap about walcott, that front 3 would be amazing!

hard to see it happening though, have a feeling we'll only bring in giroud if it's as a replacement for rvp.

Marc Overmars

13-06-2012, 12:06 PM

Personally I think we are preparing for RVP's departure hence 2 strikers coming in but at least we're acting sharply this summer.

Kano

13-06-2012, 12:09 PM

so three left footers in a front three attack? not sure how that works

giroud would be next in line behind podol's or van if he stayed - or take van's place if he goes

Dennis Bendtner

13-06-2012, 12:11 PM

RVP. :wave:

But yes, if that happens, at least it won't be a deadline day rush for the bargain bucket. For Yossi read Kalou or some other turd burglar.

Hope we get to see Giroud at some point during the Euros. Would be good if he has a bit of pace.

Özim

13-06-2012, 12:12 PM

so three left footers in a front three attack? not sure how that works
It works in exactly the same way as this principle:

- Buy a central midfielder and force him to play on the right or left wing and learn to play there, if it doesn't work out who cares, keep playing him there

Basically they'll have to learn to use their right boot. Yeah RVP is gone.

Özim

13-06-2012, 12:14 PM

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18425253

So he plans to keep RvP then?

Great news if this is correct. Looks pretty convincing.
If we buy these two, that's what 22 million or so, RVP should sell for around 25 so that leaves us with a 3 million profit...everyone's happy!

Marc Overmars

13-06-2012, 12:14 PM

Next step is to now find some mugs willing to buy Dennis Bendtner, Chakma, Vela and Park.

Kano

13-06-2012, 12:15 PM

It works in exactly the same way as this principle:

- Buy a central midfielder and force him to play on the right or left wing and learn to play there, if it doesn't work out who cares, keep playing him there

ah, you mean trying to shore up a suspect defensive midfield?

WMUG

13-06-2012, 12:15 PM

Implies 4-3-3? Walcott on right midfield?I don't think Feo fits into this. The first 3 are normally creative or defensive rather than flair/wingers. Looks like we'll be seeing him on the bench if we keep RvP.

Potential squad:

Szklaewjrio;ewru;we

Sagna Kos/Mert Verm Santos/Gibbs

M'vila Song Wilshere

Giroud RvP Podolski

KSE Comedy Club

13-06-2012, 12:17 PM

I think RVP will be staying.

If we do wrap up Giroud this week, then it will show him that we are trying to do the neccessary to try and win trophies.

That is all he needs to encourage him to stay.

Then its Mvila and maybe 1 other and our summer buying will probably be done tbh.

Boss

13-06-2012, 12:18 PM

Keep Bendtner at the club and get rid of Chamakh / Park and we have a quite decent lineup of strikers.

McNamara That Ghost...

13-06-2012, 12:19 PM

Giroud. :bow:

Time for some Youtube videos I reckon.

Also, Llorente. :( Always next year I suppose.

Özim

13-06-2012, 12:19 PM

ah, you mean trying to shore up a suspect defensive midfield?
That's one way of looking at it.

Boss

13-06-2012, 12:21 PM

Giroud. :bow:

Time for some Youtube videos I reckon.

Also, Llorente. :( Always next year I suppose.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ob8xTYXmMko

Fox in the box tbh.

Power n Glory

13-06-2012, 12:23 PM

I don't think Feo fits into this. The first 3 are normally creative or defensive rather than flair/wingers. Looks like we'll be seeing him on the bench if we keep RvP.

Potential squad:

Szklaewjrio;ewru;we

Sagna Kos/Mert Verm Santos/Gibbs

M'vila Song Wilshere

Giroud RvP Podolski

But he's not quick. Playing Giroud out on the wing wouldn't work. We'd be better off playing RVP there.

Kano

13-06-2012, 12:24 PM

But he's not quick. Playing Giroud out on the wing wouldn't work. We'd be better off playing RVP there.
he won't be starting if rvp stays. a signing doesn't mean they go straight into the first eleven

McNamara That Ghost...

13-06-2012, 12:32 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ob8xTYXmMko

Fox in the box tbh.

I feel a bit bad us being complicit in giving PSG the title next season tbf.

Power n Glory

13-06-2012, 12:43 PM

he won't be starting if rvp stays. a signing doesn't mean they go straight into the first eleven

True, but for the money we're paying and his age... he's a typical starter. Also, has Wenger given up on Gervinho already?

Kano

13-06-2012, 12:49 PM

he'll be a central striker for us, taking rvps place with podol's out wide

if we want better quality in the squad, then some players will have to be patient (should rvp stay) - which is normal for a team at the top end of the table.

Boss

13-06-2012, 12:51 PM

That means Wenger has bargaining power and will offer less than the release clause of £12.8m for the player, although Girard is unsure as to whether he can entice the Moroccan: "We would like Chamakh on loan, as part of the Giroud deal, but I don't know if it is possible."

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/transfers/arsenal-lead-chase-for-olivier-giroud-7844956.html

:pray:

Niall_Quinn

13-06-2012, 12:56 PM

he'll be a central striker for us, taking rvps place with podol's out wide

if we want better quality in the squad, then some players will have to be patient - which is normal for a team at the top end of the table.

So we'll need to change our game entirely to accommodate him. More direct style of play, more crosses, less of the tippy-tappy, a higher tempo. Or else what's the point? We've had this sort of player in Bendtner for ages and never found a way to utilise him. If RvP is staying I guess he'll be asked to relinquish the role in which he performed so well and go wide again. Can't see it happening. This guy looks more like a replacement for RvP than anything else. And a inferior one at that. Will he leave a championship winning side to sit on the bench?

All that said, so much can happen. If RvP is going to string out his negotiations to the last day then getting a replacement in makes sense but it also makes it more tempting to sell. If RvP can't pull off another season uninjured then this guy would be useful cover. Just goes to show how hard it is to put a team together these days with all the greedy agents and moneybags clubs out there doing their best to destabilise the game.

Niall_Quinn

13-06-2012, 12:59 PM

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/transfers/arsenal-lead-chase-for-olivier-giroud-7844956.html

:pray:

If we don't find a way to push Chamakh out the door then some **** should literally be shot all of a sudden. The fact a club wants him is miraculous, for us to blow this would be scandalous.

AKBapologist

13-06-2012, 01:04 PM

Mvila and Drago to go.

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Özim

13-06-2012, 01:13 PM

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/transfers/arsenal-lead-chase-for-olivier-giroud-7844956.html

:pray:
I don't think that's possible tbf, they can have him permanently though.

LDG

13-06-2012, 01:15 PM

I don't think that's possible tbf, they can have him permanently though.

:lol:

I concur.

WMUG

13-06-2012, 01:21 PM

But he's not quick. Playing Giroud out on the wing wouldn't work. We'd be better off playing RVP there.
Since when has that stopped Wenger?

LDG

13-06-2012, 01:23 PM

He's probably a new Centre Back.

Verms injured, Kos injured, Djourou injured, Miguel injured, Squalicci shit.....

....Don't forget that we also have Giroud who can play there.

Kano

13-06-2012, 01:25 PM

So we'll need to change our game entirely to accommodate him. More direct style of play, more crosses, less of the tippy-tappy, a higher tempo. Or else what's the point? We've had this sort of player in Bendtner for ages and never found a way to utilise him. If RvP is staying I guess he'll be asked to relinquish the role in which he performed so well and go wide again. Can't see it happening. This guy looks more like a replacement for RvP than anything else. And a inferior one at that. Will he leave a championship winning side to sit on the bench?

All that said, so much can happen. If RvP is going to string out his negotiations to the last day then getting a replacement in makes sense but it also makes it more tempting to sell. If RvP can't pull off another season uninjured then this guy would be useful cover. Just goes to show how hard it is to put a team together these days with all the greedy agents and moneybags clubs out there doing their best to destabilise the game.

not so sure we'd have to - having a quick glance at that you tube clip you can see most of his goals came on the deck. wenger rarely buys a player that has little or no technical ability. he would leave a small french team to join a much bigger club, why not? with only rvp ahead of him, games in the first team are pretty nailed on. it's not so hard to keep a team together provided players can see you are doing all you can to win something - which we're not.

Japan Shaking All Over

13-06-2012, 01:42 PM

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18425253

So he plans to keep RvP then?

Great news if this is correct. Looks pretty convincing.

Could we see a change of tactics, positions?

Giourd to lead the line with Robin behind and Pods on the left?

I think RvP will stay and to be honest it is a thing to think about. .

Last years top scorer in England with the top scorer in France plus a player who banged in 19 (16?) for a team that got relegated in Germany, Theo on the other side. . .oh lordy lordy

And loking like we will get biz done early so plenty of time for the lads to get used to each other

Looks like we will have to change the wording of last seasons poster because Robin could well have found his Batmen

Japan Shaking All Over

13-06-2012, 01:46 PM

Giroud. :bow:

Time for some Youtube videos I reckon.

Also, Llorente. :( Always next year I suppose.

One of the best weeks I ever had

Japan Shaking All Over

13-06-2012, 01:50 PM

Mvila and Drago to go.

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Where?

Marc Overmars

13-06-2012, 02:03 PM

Giroud will get plenty of game time I reckon. Last year was a minor miracle in that RVP stayed fit for every game, there were plenty of times though when he looked a little jaded but because we had no back up, we just ran him into the ground.

A viable alternative is what we've needed for the best part of 2 years now and hopefully this guy is it.

Power n Glory

13-06-2012, 02:20 PM

Personally, I feel it's time we moved away from this 4-3-3 formation. I was favour for it because we had players like Cesc, Rosicky, Nasri and Wilshere. I always thought we should have tried to create our own Xavi and Iniesta combo but that never happened. We had talented creative midfield players and now we don't.

Would like to see us play with a support striker instead. I think our midfield is weak creatively now and we need a player that's good on the edge of the box and delivering that final ball.

AKBapologist

13-06-2012, 02:39 PM

Where?

Wasn't this posted a few pages back?
http://www.metro.co.uk/sport/football/901600-alan-dzagoev-lined-up-as-andrei-arshavins-replacement-at-arsenal

With DJ staying, forget about a new centerback even if we cut our losses on the squid.

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Kano

13-06-2012, 02:45 PM

there's more chance of me lining up in the first squad next season than us going for dzagoev. in wengers eyes we have ox, ramsey and wilshere to do that role.

AKBapologist

13-06-2012, 02:53 PM

there's more chance of me lining up in the first squad next season than us going for dzagoev. in wengers eyes we have ox, ramsey and wilshere to do that role.

Nah. He was very interested in Gotse (!) before he extended his contract. He was also interested in hazard and Kawagagaga too before he went to united.

He's looking for a top class playmaker and a CDM and assuming Walcott and RVP stays, those will be our next signings.

Dragos contract expires in Jan. As he's 18, if he joined now, he could be counted as a home grown talent in future. All the hallmarks tbh.

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McNamara That Ghost...

13-06-2012, 02:59 PM

Dzagoev is 21, nearly 22.

LDG

13-06-2012, 03:04 PM

Piss. On a fire.

:bow:

Kano

13-06-2012, 03:08 PM

Nah. He was very interested in Gotse (!) before he extended his contract. He was also interested in hazard and Kawagagaga too before he went to united.

He's looking for a top class playmaker and a CDM and assuming Walcott and RVP stays, those will be our next signings.

Dragos contract expires in Jan. As he's 18, if he joined now, he could be counted as a home grown talent in future. All the hallmarks tbh.

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i'm sure he's interested in a ton of players but this guy is standing out as the guy of the tourn so far, so he won't be coming.

i can see juve taking him.

if he does, look out for me at left back.

Özim

13-06-2012, 03:15 PM

Nah. He was very interested in Gotse (!) before he extended his contract. He was also interested in hazard and Kawagagaga too before he went to united.

He's looking for a top class playmaker and a CDM and assuming Walcott and RVP stays, those will be our next signings.

Dragos contract expires in Jan. As he's 18, if he joined now, he could be counted as a home grown talent in future. All the hallmarks tbh.

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So what you're saying is he was very interested in a number of playmakers but never bothered to make an approach...hmmm seems strange to me.

If Dzagoev is available cut price he'll have his pick of clubs and I doubt we'll be his number 1 choice, in addition if what you're saying is true Wenger was interested in a number of playmakers and just watched as his chances of signing them disappeared, going by that he'll sit and watch whilst Dzagoev moves elsewhere.

Özim

13-06-2012, 03:17 PM

Dzagoev is 21, nearly 22.
Yeah but 21, nearly 22 going on 18.

McNamara That Ghost...

13-06-2012, 03:18 PM

Piss. On a fire.

:bow:

:lol:

It's possible but with Abramovich's ties to CSKA, Chelsea are more likely. Not that they'd need him.

13-06-2012, 03:28 PM

:lol:

It's possible but with Abramovich's ties to CSKA, Chelsea are more likely. Not that they'd need him.

They can have him.

We'll take Mata.

Ollie the Optimist

13-06-2012, 03:33 PM

so podolski done, girioud pretty much done and hopefully m'vila. if that doesnt tell RVP we are being ambitiious then nothing will. no signings of players who might be good one day but players who are actualy good now. if we complete these siginings before pre season and add in maybe a cheap cb or rb then let them all have a good preseason, we will seriously challenge fro the title

13-06-2012, 03:41 PM

If we complete Giroud and M'Vila and van Persie still wants to leave, then fuck him.

LDG

13-06-2012, 03:55 PM

If we complete Giroud and M'Vila and van Persie still wants to leave, then fuck him.

http://i1.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/008/549/If%20you%20know%20what%20I%20mean..png

She Wore A Yellow Ribbon

13-06-2012, 04:01 PM

If we complete Giroud and M'Vila and van Persie still wants to leave, then fuck him.

to be honest if we complete giroud and m'vila i couldnt give a f*ck what van persie does.

Master Splinter

13-06-2012, 04:05 PM

Good player, but who cares?

Wenger's still earning £8 million and he still doesn't share a few cans with Pulis and Hughes and FMF, etc.

LDG

13-06-2012, 04:16 PM

Mr Burns has been chatting to fans in China.....

Ivan Gazidis is currently in the Far East promoting Arsenal’s forthcoming tour of Asia and has been speaking to Gooners in China via the club’s re-launched Chinese website.

In a Twitter-style Q&A session, the club CEO hinted, perhaps aware that speculation is mounting about the possible signing of French international Olivier Giroud, that the club would announce ‘exciting’ news on the transfer front in the near future.

“We have to take a step further and win the Premier League or win the Champions League – that’s what our goal is. We added an important player in Podolski and DO NOT FORGET we will have the return of Jack Wilshere this year, which will be a big boost for the team.

“We are also talking to people in this summer’s transfer market, I think there will be something exciting for our fans to be happy about ##.

“We want to do business carefully. We don’t have to add many players, but we have to be very selective. The players we add must bring something to the team. That’s what Wenger is doing and he’s done a good job over the year to identify special talent. I am sure he will do it again.

Gazidis also reiterated the club’s ‘silent’ stance on the Robin van Persie contract situation, despite being quizzed again by concerned fans.

“As for Robin, we had a good discussion with him at the end of the season and we agreed that he will focus on the European Championships and we wouldn’t say anything about the discussions. We ask for our fans to be patient while Robin participates in an important tournament.”

Asked if Thierry Henry could return to the Emirates again, Gazidis made clear that the Frenchman would always be welcome in N5, while joking that his goals in the recent loan spell have meant the club have had to change all manner of stadium tributes to keep his goal record up to date.

“Thierry is a part of our football club, he came to train with the team and nobody expect he would end up playing for the team.

“We had already erected a statue for him, and all around the stadium we have records for all of his goals, and then he created some problems for us by scoring more goals. We had to go all around the stadium, and the statue, to change the number of goals he’s scored. If he comes back again to play we may have to do the whole process again! :lol:

“It’s obvious that Thierry is very connected to the club and has real love for the club. At the moment though he is still playing for the Red Bulls and doing very well.

Who knows whether he could play an important role at Arsenal in the future. So many players that leave Arsenal want to come back and that says something about the football club. Thierry always has a place in Arsenal

http://news.arseblog.com/2012/06/gazidis-claims-exciting-transfer-news-ahead/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook

McNamara That Ghost...

13-06-2012, 04:16 PM

They can have him.

We'll take Mata.

Mata. :bow:

Shame he is a Chav hobbit now.

AKBapologist

13-06-2012, 04:37 PM

i'm sure he's interested in a ton of players but this guy is standing out as the guy of the tourn so far, so he won't be coming.

i can see juve taking him.

if he does, look out for me at left back.

Unfortunate comparisons aside, poaching stars from Russian national teams after going to tournaments with "his cheque book" is classic Wenger.

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Niall_Quinn

13-06-2012, 05:33 PM

I'd be happier with M'Villa and Giroud not signing and RvP staying. All three would be great of course but the priority remains signing RvP. Mainly because we can't afford to effectively replace him, the very fact we won't pay the going rate (immoral as it may be) means we won't be signing any genuine world class talent and we'll be back in the position of waiting for players to bed in or re-building them from scratch. RvP, Podolski, Jack and Ox (and even Theo, Arteta and Rosicky) on the same pitch next year is not bad at all. Three newcomers who have zero PL time and no RvP - not so good. Might be in the long run but do we want another bland season?

We're in a real difficult spot if RvPs agent tries to string this out. We need him signed the week after the Euros end or I guess he's pretty much gone anyway as we'll have to start making alternative arrangements. Should have accepted all his demands the minute the whistle blew against WBA. But we didn't, of course. It's not just about what he adds to the team or the fact he's our captain. It's about our growing reputation for selling off our talent. That needs to be turned around rather than promoted. The real worry is the lack of interest from Spain. Can't see RvP bothering to move to Juventus, why would he? We're a bigger club than them with better prospects - unless you consider the joke that's Serie A to be a serious thing. So the horrible possibility of a Man Utd or City move looms because there may not be a realistic alternative if he's determined to go. That would be beyond bad and would pretty much finish us off as a serious rival to those clubs. We'd be their willing bitches, a feeder club to them. Jack and Ox would be the logical next steps. The line needs to be drawn right here with RvP.

Tipsychubbs

13-06-2012, 06:33 PM

Good Job Bendy, in the Denmark v Portugal game. 2 goals to keep that shop window shining :)

My regards to Andrei Arshavin as well who is also displaying himself well :tiphat:

Özim

13-06-2012, 06:53 PM

Xhaka Can’t

13-06-2012, 06:56 PM

Ollie the Optimist

13-06-2012, 10:00 PM

Xhaka Can’t

13-06-2012, 10:04 PM

yes cos rvp, oxlade chamberlain kos, rosicky etc were all shit last season :rolleyes:

I thought they were good.

Have you been drinking or summat?

Cripps_orig

13-06-2012, 11:23 PM

Juventus have sent their director and former player Pavel Nedved to meet Arsenal striker Robin van Persie, 28, to discuss a move to Turin.
Full story: Metro

Nedved :bow:

McNamara That Ghost...

13-06-2012, 11:39 PM

What a waste of time, Nedved was already in Turin.

Niall_Quinn

13-06-2012, 11:57 PM

What a waste of time, Nedved was already in Turin.

I'm guessing you won't want me to post any true allegations about Nedved and the banana team he represents? If you change your mind let me know.

cricketsi

14-06-2012, 01:09 AM

Good player, but who cares?

Wenger's still earning £8 million and he still doesn't share a few cans with Pulis and Hughes and FMF, etc.
Only £8m? Surely after exceeding expectations with a 3rd place finish he's up to 8 figures by now? Well, he will be when he takes RvP's chunk after convincing him to move on.

Japan Shaking All Over

14-06-2012, 03:11 AM

Makes me laugh all the players who've managed to get away from Wenger are flourishing in this tournament and those that played with us last season have been awful :lol:

Must say something about Wenger's management surely.

Nic is just a self inflated ego on two legs and Arshavin who has no idea how to put in a decent shift.

Even if they shared the golden boot, got picked for the team of the tournament, it would still be the right move to move them on.....these players do not have it in them to come back and haunt us!

AKBapologist

14-06-2012, 10:35 AM

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2159141/Arsenal-Russias-Alan-Dzagoev.html

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Kano

14-06-2012, 11:31 AM

clear quotes from the club there...

hobson's choice

14-06-2012, 12:28 PM

Unai Tea

14-06-2012, 12:37 PM

I'm actually excited about Arsenal, if they can get this M'villa deal, things are looking up.And hopefully keep Robin(wishful Thinking), we got a real squad.

Potential midfield could be this, M'villa, Song, Wilshere, Arteta, Coquelin, Rosicky, Ox

Potential front players, Robin, Lukas, Giroud, Theo, Gerv

Only real weakness is still defense

If all this happens, Wenger has no excuses, it's all on him now to do his job, and set them up right

DO NOT FORGET!!! Steve Bould will assist with the defense. He'll be like a new signing.

I like your 0-7-4 formation too. Goals aplenty, guaranteed.

edit: oops, you've a 0-7-5 formation. That seems unlikely.

Niall_Quinn

14-06-2012, 12:47 PM

DO NOT FORGET!!! Steve Bould will assist with the defense. He'll be like a new signing.

I like your 0-7-4 formation too. Goals aplenty, guaranteed.

edit: oops, you've a 0-7-5 formation. That seems unlikely.

0-7-5 classic Barca, 11 outfield plus the ref.

Coney

14-06-2012, 01:09 PM

0-7-5 classic Barca, 11 outfield plus the ref.

The Spanish manu, then.

fakeyank

14-06-2012, 02:55 PM

I'm actually excited about Arsenal, if they can get this M'villa deal, things are looking up.And hopefully keep Robin(wishful Thinking), we got a real squad.

Potential midfield could be this, M'villa, Song, Wilshere, Arteta, Coquelin, Rosicky, Ox

Potential front players, Robin, Lukas, Giroud, Theo, Gerv

Only real weakness is still defense

If all this happens, Wenger has no excuses, it's all on him now to do his job, and set them up right

We do need a right back in my opinion and in a worst case scenario, Song can drop back as a CB. But if we can keep a hold of Wally and RVP, I see us having a very good squad to challenge for the title and other cups. AW does need to sharpen his tactical skills a lot more but I am not going to criticize him at a moment when it is looking likely that we are on the right path.

Cripps_orig

15-06-2012, 12:45 AM

Manchester City are trying to sell Carlos Tevez, Edin Dzeko, Emmanuel Adebayor and Roque Santa Cruz to raise funds to buy Arsenal striker Robin van Persie.
Full story: Daily Mirror

Arsenal are interested in signing Russian international midfielder Alan Dzagoev, 21. The £13m-rated CSKA Moscow player is out of contract in December.
Full story: Daily Mail

Manchester United, Arsenal and Tottenham target Klaas-Jan Huntelaar, 28, could be available for £17m after Schalke general manager Horst Heldt confirmed the striker has a buy-out clause.
Full story: talkSPORT

Bye

2 Must Gets

Japan Shaking All Over

15-06-2012, 02:23 AM

Will stay

Could be the last piece of our attack puzzle

Wont happen

Japan Shaking All Over

15-06-2012, 06:42 AM

Read this earlier........

Two down, two to go! by DF

Much has been made of the Olivier Giroud speculation, with reputable sources such as the BBC confirming that the deal is close. But just how effective will this seemingly new addition be to the Arsenal squad? Obviously he provides a better back up option than any of the other strikers Arsenal have warming the bench. To be completely honest, I haven’t really seen him in action, besides for a few YouTube clips and he cameo against Iceland in the Euro build-up friendlies, where he set up two goals in a few minutes, which I was quite impressed with. But I do not know exactly what Arsenal are getting in Olivier Giroud.

People have been muttering that they are worried about the lack of top team competition for his signature. Which is quite worrying. Usually when Arsenal look to sign a player, half of Europe’s elite teams are looking to snatch the deal from under our grasp. Where is Chelsea, Bayern Munich, Real Madrid or even PSG? Does the lack of the top class competition mean that Olivier Giroud isn’t really that good? No, I do not think it does.

I think that Arsenal are being more pro-active this summer, and approaching the window with a knowledge of what they actually want to do. I think that we have a certain intent to strengthen the squad early this time. If we do complete this deal though, we cannot rest on our laurels and think that we have ample time to get our other targets. We have to move straight to Rennes for Yann M’Vila, or Anderlecht for Lucas Biglia or Man Shitty for Nigel De Jong. We have to complete our business before pre-season starts to give us a chance to challenge for all competitions next season.

Speaking of strengthening, what is happening with the Jan Vertonghen to Tottenham deal? Will it fall through with Harry gone? If so we should be waiting with our contract offer and a pen, urging him to change his mind. So what if he preferred Spurs to Arsenal? They were the ones that went in for him with that intent to sign him. That’s the difference between signing a quality player and missing out: showing that you really want them at your club.

Even after the Giroud deal; Arsenal need another 2 quality defensive players to compete next season and Vertonghen and M’Vila would be ideal.

mentions the big teams not being after this guy.......would say that they already have their forward department wrapped up so not reading anything into that.......or are waiting to pounce on a want away RvP.......

I am looking forward to this guy coming in and expect Robs to stay.

I also believe that Vertonghen may not go to Spurs now that arry has gone.......would not be unwise to monitor his situation as he is worth picking up......he could help out in midfield but should be bought with the CB in mind if we deem him necessary......DM=M'Vila

Japan Shaking All Over

15-06-2012, 11:14 AM

Despite Arsene Wenger being in the Ukraine for the Euros, there are lots of Arsenal transfer rumours doing the rounds today, and most of them are quite plausible for a change!

Now that Olivier Giroud’s Arsenal talks have even been reported on the BBC we are all expecting this to be a done deal, but could it be that Theo Walcott’s days at the The Emirates are now numbered? With the arrival of Lukas Podolski and Giroud and the meteoric rise of Oxlade-Chamberlain it is very difficult to see how Walcott can retain his place in Wenger’s first team next season.

As there has been no mention of Walcott’s contract talks since the end of the season, it remains a distinct possibility that he could be on his way, and London rivals Chelsea are reported to be first in line for the England winger.

Another player that could be coming the other way is Chelsea’s Salomon Kalou, who could also be challenging for a first-team place. The Mirror reports that he would want a wage of around 70,000 a week which may be considered expensive, but if he signs on a free while Walcott is sold for 20million that could be seen as a shrewd piece of business for Arsenal.

The most exciting rumour of the day is that the Mail reckons that Wenger is keen on grabbing the new young Russian star Alan Dzagoev. The Mail reports that he has just six months left on his contract with CSKA Moscow so he could also be snapped up at a bargain price. If Wenger really does bring Dzagoev in the it must surely be curtains for Walcott!

Lastly, but not leastly, It is being reported that both Monaco and Bastia are willing to sign the out-of-favour Arsenal defender Sebastien Squillaci. The ex-French international only played nine minutes for the Gunners last season and it is believed that Arsenal are willing to release him from his contract to let him move on as a free agent. This would be a very popular move for Arsenal fans, and it could be even better if Wenger also sells Djourou and brings in Vertonghen to replace them both

http://justarsenal.com/arsenal-rumours-june-15th-kalou-dzagoev-squillaci-walcott-and-giroud/14226

Oliver is in
Walcott is out? - I have shouted at this guy a lot.......but I would be a bit sad/nervous to wave him goodbye.....would be the one I would worry about the most who could come back and haunt us
One Russian out another in......would be happy
Pray it be true, buy Squid out and ship him on.....DJ can join if we get Vertonghen in

Niall_Quinn

15-06-2012, 11:53 AM

Another player that could be coming the other way is Chelsea’s Salomon Kalou

This would spoil what has been a fairly positive transfer window so far. Acceptable bench warmer but not at 70K

Power n Glory

15-06-2012, 11:56 AM

Niall_Quinn

15-06-2012, 11:59 AM

Walcott needs to think about where he wants to go and where he wants to play. Chelsea is the wrong move and he'd end up on the scrap heap like SWP very quickly there because they're not a patient team. Although, he'd suite a team that are about fast transitions and counters over possession play and short passing. He also needs a coach that's going to play him as a striker cause he's not a winger.

He needs to STFU and get his head down for an entire season and deliver. Too much shit coming from him last year and not enough action. But thoughts of him moving are a little premature, he provided enough assists and had his moments last year. He needs to build on that. We can't be signing new players as replacements, they have to be additions and the dross like Chamakh needs to go. Walcott will get enough game time with injuries, suspensions and silly team selections.