Summer Transfer Misery 2017/18

[Globalgunner]

Everyone wants to leave. Im not surprised its a monkey show at this club and Wenger is King Louie....totally obsessed with himself only

I want to leave too... Told Letters im not signing that contract.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

He's more Tiberius Cesar

Getting more debauched and detached from the real world as his power has corrupted him

Wouldn't be surprised to see the scabbingbof venereal disease around Wengers mouth and face before too long

His decision making is totally arbitrary and it's more a fact of he does it because he can

[selassie]

Ozil's definitely leaving at the end of his contract. That's what he's been quietly and patiently waiting for. He hasn't signed a contract because he has no intention of signing one and this idea there are no takers is laughable. Ozil on a free in a fee months? Form an orderly queue and have a chequebook ready.

But none of that is the point.

Is Wenger setting up Wilshere to be Ozil's replacement? I have to admit, if they can pull a stunt like that I'll just applaud. Sometimes you just have to stand back and admire genius. It will be a WUMjob that can never be topped.

Alexis will be going too, of course. Out the door like Usain Bolt off the blocks. And Ramsey will be refusing to sign a contract by that stage too.

How long is Lacazette's contract? He'll be the next major guy to lose his pen.

The Ozil to Man Utd rumours have been gaining momentum. It would be a real slap in the face for Arsene if Jose pulled that one off next summer for free. I've given up caring, it's obvious he and Sanchez are next out of the door, if they go to Man Utd and Man City then so be it, we aren't really rivals to either club anymore anyway, not until we sort out this sinking ship.

[Niall_Quinn]

The Ozil to Man Utd rumours have been gaining momentum. It would be a real slap in the face for Arsene if Jose pulled that one off next summer for free. I've given up caring, it's obvious he and Sanchez are next out of the door, if they go to Man Utd and Man City then so be it, we aren't really rivals to either club anymore anyway, not until we sort out this sinking ship.

The really sickening aspect of Ozil at Utd will be the fact he'll suddenly be heralded as a world beater.

[Bumble]

was ozil ill at the weekend or suspended or something as he wasn't in the squad? ozil has no interest in signing a new contract while there is a chance he could get more elsewhere and challenge for the league.

the only thing we can do is not play him and therefore stop in going to the world cup.

[GP]

Injured

[Niall_Quinn]

Arsenal have opened talks with Aaron Ramsey and Danny Welbeck over new contracts.

The Gunners pair are entering the final 18 months of their existing deals, but are set for lucrative extensions. Ramsey is currently on £110,000 a week but he may get more than £150,000 a week.

Welbeck signed a £70,000-a-week deal in 2014 but his new contract will be worth over £100,000 a week.

Let the stars disembark and then start chucking cash at the remaining passengers. If there's a bad decision to be made, Arsenal will find it and exploit it to the full.

Anyway, I thought it was "ideal" to let contracts run down, or was that more of Wenger's bullshit?

[The Emirates Gallactico]

http://www.skysports.com/football/transfer-paper-talk

So yeah Ozil's desperate to join Man United.

Fuck him and anyone who still supports him tbh. Stick him in the reserves till the end of the season - the Chelsea game demonstrated what I long suspected - that we don't really need him and we play better without the team having to bend to his individual needs.

Let that self-entitled wanker fear for his starting berth at the World Cup in the summer.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

The day before papers were linking him to Inter. :rolleyes:

[The Emirates Gallactico]

Not that it changes the fundamental point (fuck Ozil) but the Man Utd one is eminently more believable & plausible.


He's worked with Mourinho in the past and likes him, gets to stay in the UK and will almost be guaranteed a hefty wage (Man Utd fortune + free transfer).

[McNamara That Ghost...]

And plausible Man Utd would want him?

The fact there are two rumours for two different clubs in two days in a row suggest to me the papers are talking bollocks.

[Niall_Quinn]

http://www.skysports.com/football/transfer-paper-talk

So yeah Ozil's desperate to join Man United.

Fuck him and anyone who still supports him tbh. Stick him in the reserves till the end of the season - the Chelsea game demonstrated what I long suspected - that we don't really need him and we play better without the team having to bend to his individual needs.

Let that self-entitled wanker fear for his starting berth at the World Cup in the summer.

Deli Alli is going there too. And they are also spending 155 mill on Dybala. That's a lot of activity outside the transfer window. The chav game demonstrated we can pub a result against a title contender and if that's the limit of our ambitions then I agree, we already have a squad full of journeymen and don't need Ozil or quality signings. It's hard to underestimate the damage that will be done next summer when our two best players walk out the door, not just in terms of our options on the pitch but also our ability to attract quality in the transfer window. When you see people jumping off a ship you don't buy a ticket.

It'll be interesting to see if Ramsey and Welbeck are eager to sign their contracts or prefer to take a wait and see approach. I'm sure they'll be subject to all the usual promises - big signings just around the corner, a big push for the title and the CL. But Wenger has already said he's focused on his coveted Top 4 Trophy, I think everybody knows the ambitions of this club by now.

[Blink 1nce Quince 2wice]

http://www.skysports.com/football/transfer-paper-talk

So yeah Ozil's desperate to join Man United.

Fuck him and anyone who still supports him tbh. Stick him in the reserves till the end of the season - the Chelsea game demonstrated what I long suspected - that we don't really need him and we play better without the team having to bend to his individual needs.

Let that self-entitled wanker fear for his starting berth at the World Cup in the summer.

He's obviously not desperate to stay and probably does want to leave but so did Mustafi, Bellerin, Chamberlain, Sanchez, Ospina and Wilshere. Had better clubs been in for Giroud like Manure, PSG Bayern etc etc, perhaps he might have departed already too.

I've seen a lot of people lauding Giroud for being loyal and staying to fight for his place. Maybe he just doesn't fancy playing for Everton or Marseille, two inferior teams for less money and even at Everton there's no 100% guarantee of starting.

Ozil in light of the Chelsea game is a matter of perspective. One view is that with him we would never have found what we needed to avoid losing there.......... The other is that were he to have played a part, perhaps he would have unlocked the door for the winner.

I'm not a hipster Ozil fanboy per se but I certainly think the general absence of preparation, structure and a plan is more significant in our overall failures against the big clubs than the fact we have Mesut Ozil.

No idea if he actually wants to go to Manure, but it wouldn't surprise me. He's not English or an Arsenal fan and he's at the end of his contract.

[Xhaka Can’t]

Who comes, who goes, who stays?

Who cares until Wenger goes?

[Penguin]

Even if that rumour's true (it sounds like tabloid BS), can we afford to bench Ozil? We might be a bit more robust defensively but at the other end I don't think we have enough creativity.

[Marc Overmars]

The odds are he’s had interest from plenty of clubs behind the scenes anyway. No one cares about Ozil for 50m but Ozil on a free however is an asset to anyone, even if he is a fair weather.

I’m not bothered what he does anymore and I feel like that about Alexis too. If they don’t want to be here then fuck off - I know the club is to blame but I’m not supporting players who aren’t interested and so obviously want to leave.

[Power n Glory]

And plausible Man Utd would want him?

The fact there are two rumours for two different clubs in two days in a row suggest to me the papers are talking bollocks.

You don't think it's possible? It would be naive to assume Ozil and Mourinho have no contact or admire each other from afar whilst in England.

I look at that Man Utd team and could definitely see a staring place for Ozil. Mourinho can find a place for him.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

You don't think it's possible? It would be naive to assume Ozil and Mourinho have no contact or admire each other from afar whilst in England.

I look at that Man Utd team and could definitely see a staring place for Ozil. Mourinho can find a place for him.

I don't think it's possible, not with what he wants now.

If it is naive, it doesn't really have much consequence for me.

[Power n Glory]

I don't think it's possible, not with what he wants now.

If it is naive, it doesn't really have much consequence for me.

What do you mean, with what he wants now?

It's a free transfer and to a manager who admires his talent and has played with him before. It doesn't make much sense as to why it can't happen.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

What do you mean, with what he wants now?

It's a free transfer and to a manager who admires his talent and has played with him before. It doesn't make much sense as to why it can't happen.

Clearly Mourinho is working his players his hard to be getting back in position all game long, particularly with Mata and Rashford. I don't think Ozil fits in to that ethos and in truth I think the supporters would be dead against it too.

[Power n Glory]

Clearly Mourinho is working his players his hard to be getting back in position all game long, particularly with Mata and Rashford. I don't think Ozil fits in to that ethos and in truth I think the supporters would be dead against it too.

Mourninho has always worked his players hard to defend. If he could get something out of Ozil at Madrid, I don't doubt he'd be able to get something out of him at Man Utd.

[Niall_Quinn]

Who comes, who goes, who stays?

Who cares until Wenger goes?

This is the reality. It really is a dreadful thing that nothing much matters at this club except Arsene Wenger. Nobody is bigger than the club, indeed.

[The Emirates Gallactico]

Deli Alli is going there too. And they are also spending 155 mill on Dybala. That's a lot of activity outside the transfer window. The chav game demonstrated we can pub a result against a title contender and if that's the limit of our ambitions then I agree, we already have a squad full of journeymen and don't need Ozil or quality signings. It's hard to underestimate the damage that will be done next summer when our two best players walk out the door, not just in terms of our options on the pitch but also our ability to attract quality in the transfer window. When you see people jumping off a ship you don't buy a ticket.


Give it a rest NQ.

We constantly admonish our team for playing like fucking morons at tough away grounds and yet you're going to take away from last Sunday's result? Do you think the likes of Real Madrid or Bayern would go to Stamford Bridge and try and play open & expansive football to thrash them by several goals? No they'd have respect for their opponent and at best try and nick a goal or two for a narrow victory or failing that, be satisfied with a 0 - 0 draw ...... essentially what we did.

Also if he's one of the reasons why the ship's sinking in the first place (we all know who the number one culprit is) then he's got no one else to look at but himself. Ozil's the definition of a fairweather player - only turns up when he wants to & the first to down tools when things go wrong .... though he has a good PR team to post messages on instragram/twitter so that makes it all better. Give me a player with 90% of the talent Ozil has but twice the work ethic & motivation tbh.

I say all this as a guy who actually bought an Arsenal jersey with Ozil's name on the back when he first joined so this is not out of personal spite or a longstanding grudge.

I do agree that losing both him and Alexis is going to kill our reputation and status, however this is why I personally feel that we should have sold him two seasons ago when it seemed clear that both him and Alexis weren't going to commit that summer. He's far more easily replaceable than Alexis tbh - we could have got in a Draxler or an alternative back when our stock was higher ...... however as we all know, we're run by a bunch of fucking morons with no long term strategy.


He's obviously not desperate to stay and probably does want to leave but so did Mustafi, Bellerin, Chamberlain, Sanchez, Ospina and Wilshere. Had better clubs been in for Giroud like Manure, PSG Bayern etc etc, perhaps he might have departed already too.

The reason I have a particular dislike of Ozil compared to them is Ozil given his talent, his status and also his extortionate demands (both salary & role) ... he should be doing a lot better than he has for us.

The others aside of Alexis aren't going to do better than us and as I've said before I don't have a problem with Alexis because aside from that Liverpool horror game, he's always consistently given us 100% on the pitch and strived every sinew in order to win games for us .... I don't honestly begrudge him wanting to seek better pastures tbh.

Ozil hasn't. As said above he's been the definition of fairweather.

[The Emirates Gallactico]

Mourninho has always worked his players hard to defend. If he could get something out of Ozil at Madrid, I don't doubt he'd be able to get something out of him at Man Utd.

Knowing how petty & narcissistic he is and combining that with his weird voyeurism for Wenger, I honestly wouldn't be surprised if Mourinho gets Ozil purely for the sole purpose of trying to show up Wenger by getting better performances out of him.

The similarities have already been made but it's like how Trump loves doing things that Obama couldn't. :lol::lol:

[Niall_Quinn]

We constantly admonish our team for playing like fucking morons at tough away grounds and yet you're going to take away from last Sunday's result? Do you think the likes of Real Madrid or Bayern would go to Stamford Bridge and try and play open & expansive football to thrash them by several goals? No they'd have respect for their opponent and at best try and nick a goal or two for a narrow victory or failing that, be satisfied with a 0 - 0 draw ...... essentially what we did.

I'm taking nothing away from that performance because I gave nothing in the first place. I refuse to give credit for a team that finally decides to do the absolute basics. Leaving aside the probability it's one of the few high points of our coming season, it was rapidly followed up with a game so inept it stunned the senses. Nothing has changed here. I suppose being an Arsenal fan has become an exercise in picking out the half digested lumps from a shit heap to ward off starvation. Yes, agreed,. This is down to one man. The longer he stays, the more talent will walk out the door. And good luck with your hopes for Wenger getting the chequebook out to sign 90% Ozils with 100% commitment. When did we last go head to head with serious clubs for the top talent? In the real world I mean, not in Wenger's "almost signed" fantasy land. When we lose Ozil and Alexis, they won't be replaced. The quality of the side will fall further and the job for the next manager will get bigger. If there ever is a next manager.

[Power n Glory]

Knowing how petty & narcissistic he is and combining that with his weird voyeurism for Wenger, I honestly wouldn't be surprised if Mourinho gets Ozil purely for the sole purpose of trying to show up Wenger by getting better performances out of him.

The similarities have already been made but it's like how Trump loves doing things that Obama couldn't. :lol::lol:

The thought crossed my mind. I get the argument that top clubs may not want him because of his form with Arsenal but Mourinho has worked with Ozi, knows he's a 'unique' player and knows he needs motivating. He doesn't rate Wenger as a manager as it is so I wouldn't be surpised if he's thinking Wenger has no idea how to use such a player.

Mourinho is one of the few managers that would probably give him the benefit of the doubt.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Mourinho has rather unpleasant obsession with Wenger, I think he hates the fact that Wenger won't get in line with the rest to kiss his arse which is one of the things I like about Wenger.

It wouldn't be beyond the realms of possibility to see Ozil opt to go to man united he knows Mourinho rates him highly as a player.

[GP]

Mourinho is a cunt.

[Power n Glory]

Mourinho has rather unpleasant obsession with Wenger, I think he hates the fact that Wenger won't get in line with the rest to kiss his arse which is one of the things I like about Wenger.

It wouldn't be beyond the realms of possibility to see Ozil opt to go to man united he knows Mourinho rates him highly as a player.

Wenger doesn't help himself. When it comes to Mourinho and transfers, he always has something to say. Still can't work out why he had to speak on the Mata transfer. That's where the whole 'voyeur' spat came from because Wenger would constantly speak about Chelsea's transfer policy. Stuff that had zero to do with him.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Wenger doesn't help himself. When it comes to Mourinho and transfers, he always has something to say. Still can't work out why he had to speak on the Mata transfer. That's where the whole 'voyeur' spat came from because Wenger would constantly speak about Chelsea's transfer policy. Stuff that had zero to do with him.

Usually he's asked the question in interviews. The Mata one he definitely was because we'd shown interest in him ourselves back in 2011

There's no excuse for Mourinhos behaviour, it's that of a narcassistic bully

[Power n Glory]

Usually he's asked the question in interviews. The Mata one he definitely was because we'd shown interest in him ourselves back in 2011

There's no excuse for Mourinhos behaviour, it's that of a narcassistic bully
During the press conference Wenger was asked what he thought of the transfer and could have stopped at saying Mata is a fantastic player and he's surpised he's being sold. But Wenger decides to take another step and starts talking about 'respecting fairness' because Chelsea could have sold him last week before they had played Man Utd. Suggesting Chelsea have some sort of advantage and done something underhanded. Nobody asked him if he thought it was fair or if Chelsea had done something cynical.

[Gooner23]

Mourinho is a cunt.

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[Letters]

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[McNamara That Ghost...]

Alright, that will do for that. :lol:

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

During the press conference Wenger was asked what he thought of the transfer and could have stopped at saying Mata is a fantastic player and he's surpised he's being sold. But Wenger decides to take another step and starts talking about 'respecting fairness' because Chelsea could have sold him last week before they had played Man Utd. Suggesting Chelsea have some sort of advantage and done something underhanded. Nobody asked him if he thought it was fair or if Chelsea had done something cynical.


He was asked about the transfer and gave his opinion on it

I don't see why he shouldn't express an opinion to avoid upsetting the Donald Trump of football management

The way Mourinho reacted to the inoccuous fear of failure comment that Wenger made shows what the guy is all about.

I don't know how accurate that article was about Mourinho going on about how he wanted to punch Wenger's face in. It certainly didn't seem beyond the realms of possibility that he would say that.

[Power n Glory]

He was asked about the transfer and gave his opinion on it

I don't see why he shouldn't express an opinion to avoid upsetting the Donald Trump of football management

The way Mourinho reacted to the inoccuous fear of failure comment that Wenger made shows what the guy is all about.

I don't know how accurate that article was about Mourinho going on about how he wanted to punch Wenger's face in. It certainly didn't seem beyond the realms of possibility that he would say that.

He’s free to express an opinion but it’s a bit rich to paint him as the victim. It’s the same thing as the ‘fear of failure’ comment. If you’re prepared to talk about the cunt then you can’t be surprised with the retaliation. Mind your business if you can’t deal with the response. I can’t stand people that throw rocks and then try to hide their hands. It’s cowardly.

The whole argument about Chelsea selling to Utd smacked of hypocrisy considering we sold RVP to Utd but he’s then talking as if Chelsea did something wrong and underhanded. His constant whining about other teams and elements is what annoys me most. Sort out your own house before talking.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

No I'm sorry, I get that you get fed up of the things Wenger comes out with in press conferences but Mourinhos reactions are clearly outrageous most of the time.

The fear of failure was to do with all the teams challenging for the title and how the managers of each side were eschewing the favourite tag.

And he was asked why he thought that was.

If Mourinho had come out with he should mind his own business when it comes to the transfer dealings of other clubs that's a reasonable response. Saying what he did in response to a perfectly ordinary response was ad hominem.

A lot of things Wenger says annoys me, and it's not about trying to paint him as a victim. It's painting Mourinho as what he is a scumbag. And whatever Wenger has said in press conferences, the response has been massively Inproportionate and in many ways just insulting and out of order.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Wenger I've lost a lot of respect for these past months, his attitude coupled with his willingness to contradict himself aggravates me and he seems intent on spoiling his legacy.

Mourinho is a cunt, he's always been a cunt and he's always going to be a cunt. Not because he's won things with sides we consider our rivals but because his attitude and behaviour towards people in general. The way he treated the doctor on his fitness team was outrageous, what he did to Tito Vilanova and refusing to apologise for it was outrageous, his personal invectives against countless other managers, absolute refusal to ever admit wrong doing on his part and the self destructive behaviour which means he never lasts at a club much more than three seasons exemplify that this guy is a cancer.

[Power n Glory]

Whatever you feel about Mourinho is your opinion and not what I'm picking out. It's this idea that Wenger is being picked on and it's Mourinho that's obsessed with Wenger is what I disagree with.

Football aside, I can’t stand anyone with that sort of character. If you can't handle the consequences, keep your mouth shut. Wenger just needs to mind his own business if he can't handle the response. It comes back to throwing rocks and then hiding your hands.

[Xhaka Can’t]

Mourinho is a cunt.

I called him just that the other day!

Spooky.

[selassie]

Who comes, who goes, who stays?

Who cares until Wenger goes?

This

[selassie]

You don't think it's possible? It would be naive to assume Ozil and Mourinho have no contact or admire each other from afar whilst in England.

I look at that Man Utd team and could definitely see a staring place for Ozil. Mourinho can find a place for him.

I think it's 100% plausible and I think he'll go there. Ozil better get use to working hard for his team because despite Mourinho being an utter cunt of a man he won't put up with Ozil's antics at Man Utd, honestly...he would have been sold already if he put in performances like he has done here at Man Utd.

I have given up caring about Ozil, if he goes which he will then fine, I don't care where he goes either because all of these players jumping ship say as much about Wenger as they do about the ambition of Arsenal football club, they both go hand in hand.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Whatever you feel about Mourinho is your opinion and not what I'm picking out. It's this idea that Wenger is being picked on and it's Mourinho that's obsessed with Wenger is what I disagree with.

Football aside, I can’t stand anyone with that sort of character. If you can't handle the consequences, keep your mouth shut. Wenger just needs to mind his own business if he can't handle the response. It comes back to throwing rocks and then hiding your hands.

I think he is obsessed with Wenger he has mentioned him unprompted more than once. He does have a personal issue with Wenger because as I say Wenger hasn't been prepared to kiss his backside. And like with all narcassistic individuals they crave complimentary things said about them and react with great vitriol to anything perceived as criticism.

Of course I appreciate if you don't like it, don't give it. But you don't respond to soneone throwing stones by lobbing a grenade unless you're psychotic

I think if people can't stand criticism without behaving like a cunt than I'd say it's their problem not the problem of the person who has criticised them.

There was absolutely no need to react to the fear of failure comment the way he did.

Telling him to mind his own business and concentrate on his own problems is one thing, this is well above and beyond that.

[selassie]

Knowing how petty & narcissistic he is and combining that with his weird voyeurism for Wenger, I honestly wouldn't be surprised if Mourinho gets Ozil purely for the sole purpose of trying to show up Wenger by getting better performances out of him.

The similarities have already been made but it's like how Trump loves doing things that Obama couldn't. :lol::lol:

Yep, part of me thinks this too. The fact that Ozil is on a freebie will have Mourinho rubbing his hands and licking his lips in glee.

I do think there is a place for Ozil at United though, they will fit him in somewhere.

Wenger has handled the Ozil and Sanchez contract situation so poorly, all of this should have been sorted out last season, "you don't sign then you are sold" should have been the message to both of them.

The whole thing is one big mess and Wenger has his hands all over it, he goes on about finances and all that kind of stuff yet is about to lose just under 80million pounds worth of investment for nothing!

[mastermind84]

Ozil is going to Bayern, imo.

[The Emirates Gallactico]

I disagree Delusions - Mourinho's just a plain cunt. Note that no other manager seems to have to bear the same longstanding grudge against Wenger to the extent of constantly making unprovoked childish attacks against him. Most realise that often journos ask loaded questions in conferences and occasionally someone can say something that you may not like but given Wenger's personality, it's not out of any ulterior or malicious motives so most just ignore it.

It all likely comes to the fact that he's simply envious of the respect and admiration Wenger has in the global footballing community. He's talked about as a guy who revolutionised English football and built a dynasty at a club (hence why Mourinho always goes on about how Wenger should be fired) ..... whereas any mention of Mourinho's success is usually attached with a comment about his corrosive personality and the downfalls of that.

Again with the Trump comparison (because they are so similar!) but it's like how wound up Trump gets when Obama's achievements are mentioned .... "But I did this which ais so much better"

I'm as exasperated by Wenger as much as the next Arsenal fan but he's done nothing to warrant the level of abuse from Mourinho.


Yep, part of me thinks this too. The fact that Ozil is on a freebie will have Mourinho rubbing his hands and licking his lips in glee.

I do think there is a place for Ozil at United though, they will fit him in somewhere.

Wenger has handled the Ozil and Sanchez contract situation so poorly, all of this should have been sorted out last season, "you don't sign then you are sold" should have been the message to both of them.

The whole thing is one big mess and Wenger has his hands all over it, he goes on about finances and all that kind of stuff yet is about to lose just under 80million pounds worth of investment for nothing!

I would have given Alexis a lot more leeway because you simply can't replace a player like that (there are only a handful of them in the world) but Ozil should have been shown the door two summers ago when he didn't sign a new contract.

It also would have set a precedent & example to other wantaways that the club wouldn't tolerate perpetual contract stalling - instead now the complete opposite is happening - other players have seen the example that Ozil & Alexis have set are replicating it themselves. That's how any other top club would have operated .... Matic was sold by Chelsea this window because he had two years left and refused to commit to a new contract ..... that level of ruthlessness is needed.

The problem as we all know is born from Wenger getting too emotionally attached to the players, viewing them as his "sons" instead of what most of them really are: employees who are predominantly motivated by their own personal goals.

Though tbh I blame the fans somewhat as well .... granted it's slightly understandable in the Ozil case as he was our first proper "big name" signing but we make cult heroes out of some of these guys wayyyy too easily ..... giving them extra leverage in negotiations and making it harder for the club to get rid of them if need be (assuming that they wanted to). Heck I saw fans in the Koln game still singing the Ozil song despite his current contractual situation ...... fucking madness.

[Power n Glory]

I think he is obsessed with Wenger he has mentioned him unprompted more than once. He does have a personal issue with Wenger because as I say Wenger hasn't been prepared to kiss his backside. And like with all narcassistic individuals they crave complimentary things said about them and react with great vitriol to anything perceived as criticism.

Of course I appreciate if you don't like it, don't give it. But you don't respond to soneone throwing stones by lobbing a grenade unless you're psychotic

I think if people can't stand criticism without behaving like a cunt than I'd say it's their problem not the problem of the person who has criticised them.

There was absolutely no need to react to the fear of failure comment the way he did.

Telling him to mind his own business and concentrate on his own problems is one thing, this is well above and beyond that.

Google how the 'voyeur' comment started and the history between Wenger and Jose.

I’ve always had a problem with Wenger’s press conferences when he makes excuses for his record. The constant whining about teams parking the bus, ‘financial doping’ arguments, foreign owners, etc. Most people feel the same way. With that in mind, I’m not going to see him as the victim or agree with you on Mourhino being obsessed with Wenger when I’ve seen Wenger constantly present these sort of arguments which were jabs directed at Chelsea and Mourinho who were champions at the time. It’s nothing to do with Mourinho not wanting to kiss ass. I believe Wenger is a petty man that holds a grudge and can go too far but it’s not built up from nothing.

Again, Google the history.


Of course I appreciate if you don't like it, don't give it. But you don't respond to soneone throwing stones by lobbing a grenade unless you're psychotic

Throw insults then be prepared for the consequence. Who says you have to be reasonable?

[selassie]

I would have given Alexis a lot more leeway because you simply can't replace a player like that (there are only a handful of them in the world) but Ozil should have been shown the door two summers ago when he didn't sign a new contract.

It also would have set a precedent & example to other wantaways that the club wouldn't tolerate perpetual contract stalling - instead now the complete opposite is happening - other players have seen the example that Ozil & Alexis have set are replicating it themselves. That's how any other top club would have operated .... Matic was sold by Chelsea this window because he had two years left and refused to commit to a new contract ..... that level of ruthlessness is needed.

The problem as we all know is born from Wenger getting too emotionally attached to the players, viewing them as his "sons" instead of what most of them really are: employees who are predominantly motivated by their own personal goals.

Though tbh I blame the fans somewhat as well .... granted it's slightly understandable in the Ozil case as he was our first proper "big name" signing but we make cult heroes out of some of these guys wayyyy too easily ..... giving them extra leverage in negotiations and making it harder for the club to get rid of them if need be (assuming that they wanted to). Heck I saw fans in the Koln game still singing the Ozil song despite his current contractual situation ...... fucking madness.

I agree with a lot of this, I am not so sure I agree with the point of giving Alexis more leeway, we have given both of them leeway and look where we are now. I read somewhere that Ozil hasn't sat down to renegotiate since January last year when the talks broke down.

Last season was an abomination, we had the Wenger "will he won't he" saga that dragged on when nobody apart from Kroenke actually wanted him to sign, and we made little to no progress on talks with Ozil and Sanchez.

What you said regarding us needing to implement a policy to stop perpetual contract stalling is something I totally agree with. Like you stated Chelsea did it, they were ruthless with Matic and we should have been the same with Ozil and Sanchez and any other contract stallers, we did it with Ox...well kind of....why not the others?

Everything we do is half baked...we have hired some new contract negotiating guy who will no doubt take the flak for the next set of perpetual contract stallers.

[selassie]

Ozil is going to Bayern, imo.

Maybe. I think he'll have the pick of a fair few clubs. Whilst his stock isn't that high right now Ozil on a free is attractive to a lot of top clubs IMO.

[Marc Overmars]

I think Wenger certainly had an issue with Chelsea's success post-2004, no other club was more bitter about their emergence as a force than Arsenal as we felt knocked off our perch. Wenger did stoke the fire with that so to speak. However that level of spending had never been seen before and it was a hot topic in general at time, I'm not sure he really said anything that should have affected Mourinho so personally.

Mourinho obviously regards himself as superior to pretty much every other manager in the game, no one else bar Pep and Ancelotti have a list of honours comparable to his. It eats away at him that Wenger despite no major success in the same time frame is regarded on the same plane as him.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Google how the 'voyeur' comment started and the history between Wenger and Jose.

I’ve always had a problem with Wenger’s press conferences when he makes excuses for his record. The constant whining about teams parking the bus, ‘financial doping’ arguments, foreign owners, etc. Most people feel the same way. With that in mind, I’m not going to see him as the victim or agree with you on Mourhino being obsessed with Wenger when I’ve seen Wenger constantly present these sort of arguments which were jabs directed at Chelsea and Mourinho who were champions at the time. It’s nothing to do with Mourinho not wanting to kiss ass. I believe Wenger is a petty man that holds a grudge and can go too far but it’s not built up from nothing.

Again, Google the history.


Throw insults then be prepared for the consequence. Who says you have to be reasonable?

No one says you have to be reasonable but don't be surprised if someone thinks you're a massive cunt if your response is out of proportion with what's been said and it's childish, vitriolic etc.

I completely agree with the Emirates Galactico, he hates that Wenger gets respect because he believes his achievements are more deserving of it.
In the history of the premier league managers will talk about other clubs and it can be critical in a tactical way and Mourinho is far from above doing it himself, the difference is other managers don't act like a Wanker every time.

It's not about Wenger being victimised, I don't imagine he feels victimised by Mourinho I generally don't think he gives him that much consideration full stop. And for someone like Mourinho who exudes all the pathology of someone with narcassistic personality disorder and what he says is consistent with someone who has a rather unpleasant grudge (again I refer you to the article where Mourinho it is claimed has wanted to do Wenger physical harm) against this guy because Wenger hasn't exactly been complimentary about him "If you give success to stupid people it tends to make them more not less stupid" - (frankly deserved after the voyeur comment).

So yes I think without a doubt this petty minded borderline sociopath does have an issue with Wenger regardless of what you think is the provocation which hardly seems like much provocation to a person who is right in the head.

[mastermind84]

Maybe. I think he'll have the pick of a fair few clubs. Whilst his stock isn't that high right now Ozil on a free is attractive to a lot of top clubs IMO.
Nah
His stock is very high. I think he and his camp chose to leave on a free and made it aware to interested clubs before the summer transfer window. Remember, Ozil and his team made it known to German media that he stopped negotiating with Arsenal in February.

[selassie]

Nah
His stock is very high. I think he and his camp chose to leave on a free and made it aware to interested clubs before the summer transfer window. Remember, Ozil and his team made it known to German media that he stopped negotiating with Arsenal in February.

His stock is high based on the fact he won't cost his next club a transfer fee though he will cost whoever he joins a fairly big signing on fee and fairly big wages too. If Ozil was available on the market for say 50 or 60million right now I don't think he would generate a ton of interest.

[Power n Glory]

No one says you have to be reasonable but don't be surprised if someone thinks you're a massive cunt if your response is out of proportion with what's been said and it's childish, vitriolic etc.

I completely agree with the Emirates Galactico, he hates that Wenger gets respect because he believes his achievements are more deserving of it.
In the history of the premier league managers will talk about other clubs and it can be critical in a tactical way and Mourinho is far from above doing it himself, the difference is other managers don't act like a Wanker every time.

It's not about Wenger being victimised, I don't imagine he feels victimised by Mourinho I generally don't think he gives him that much consideration full stop. And for someone like Mourinho who exudes all the pathology of someone with narcassistic personality disorder and what he says is consistent with someone who has a rather unpleasant grudge (again I refer you to the article where Mourinho it is claimed has wanted to do Wenger physical harm) against this guy because Wenger hasn't exactly been complimentary about him "If you give success to stupid people it tends to make them more not less stupid" - (frankly deserved after the voyeur comment).

So yes I think without a doubt this petty minded borderline sociopath does have an issue with Wenger regardless of what you think is the provocation which hardly seems like much provocation to a person who is right in the head.

You keep missing stuff. Is it one sided? That's all I'm arguing. Everything else you've said is irrelevant. It's clear that Mourinho doesn't like Wenger but I'd also say Wenger has a problem with the way Mourinho has gone about winning stuff. That's evident from the quote you just provided.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Wenger responded to being called a voyeur, I don't think he actually gives Mourinho much thought as an individual

Whether you think what Wenger has said is unwarranted at not, the consistent point is that the response is massively out of proportion and the reason for this is because Mourinho being someone who isn't well is spiteful and vindictive.

I believe what he said about the failure thing is about his resentment for getting fired from clubs which usually occurs because of his disgraceful attitude. They hated him at Real Madrid, not just the club hierarchy but the fans

Club managers talk about other clubs all the time and Wenger is no different.

I don't recall Wenger calling Ferguson a washed up alky when Ferguson said we were lucky with injuries and in the 01/02 double season said we were just obdurate scrappers and United were the best footballing side.

In my mind as I've said if someone throws a stone, you don't lob a grenade back unless you're classless cunt with psychological problems.

[Power n Glory]

I think Wenger certainly had an issue with Chelsea's success post-2004, no other club was more bitter about their emergence as a force than Arsenal as we felt knocked off our perch. Wenger did stoke the fire with that so to speak. However that level of spending had never been seen before and it was a hot topic in general at time, I'm not sure he really said anything that should have affected Mourinho so personally.

Mourinho obviously regards himself as superior to pretty much every other manager in the game, no one else bar Pep and Ancelotti have a list of honours comparable to his. It eats away at him that Wenger despite no major success in the same time frame is regarded on the same plane as him.

It came across as bitter. How deeply Wenger or Mourinho take this is anyone's guess but it looks to me as though Mourinho is envious of Wenger's legacy and the high praise. The brand of football we played left a lasting impression. But I also think Wenger is envious of Mourinho's trophy cabinet and can't understand how that brand of football can be so successful. He doesn't respect it.

[Niall_Quinn]

Biggest cunt in football is Wenger. He wrestled Maureen's undisputed title away when he signed that contract.

[mastermind84]

His stock is high based on the fact he won't cost his next club a transfer fee though he will cost whoever he joins a fairly big signing on fee and fairly big wages too. If Ozil was available on the market for say 50 or 60million right now I don't think he would generate a ton of interest.

but those clubs would be willing to pay him a huge salary and signing on fee? You see how that doesnt make a lot of sense.

[selassie]

but those clubs would be willing to pay him a huge salary and signing on fee? You see how that doesnt make a lot of sense.

Well a 20 million signing on fee and say 200k per week in wages is a lot cheaper than a 60 million transfer fee and the 200k per week wages or whatever it is he will earn.

Also factor in agents fees for the transfer.

Ozil on a free is an attractive proposition in the current market, there is no doubt about that.

[mastermind84]

Well a 20 million signing on fee and say 200k per week in wages is a lot cheaper than a 60 million transfer fee and the 200k per week wages or whatever it is he will earn.

Also factor in agents fees for the transfer.

Ozil on a free is an attractive proposition in the current market, there is no doubt about that.

he would be able to command more than the 10 million a year salary on the open market versus negotiating with one team.

[Niall_Quinn]

Arsenal are set to listen to offers for Mesut Ozil in January to avoid losing him for nothing.

The development opens the door for Inter Milan to swoop for the Germany international during the winter transfer window after club chief Erick Thohir admitted the Italians were 'definitely' interested in the playmaker.

How's his "slight" injury coming along I wonder?

Anyway, this is the ideal situation, as well we know. Who will we replace him with? Could it be somebody called Jack Wilshere?

[The Emirates Gallactico]

How's his "slight" injury coming along I wonder?

Anyway, this is the ideal situation, as well we know. Who will we replace him with? Could it be somebody called Jack Wilshere?

I think it's kind of obvious that Ozil's not really injured ....... and tbh good on the club and Wenger. I've been calling on Wenger & Gazidis to be tougher on that shitlord for ages now.

And the noise coming from those ITK was that the club legitimately tried to flog Ozil this summer but there were no interested parties. No one was willing to pay a fee, even a reduced one, for him which is indicative how underwhelming he's been for us all things considered. So I don't see why we're going suddenly going to get a plethora of takers with six months left before he's available on a free.

It'll be Iwobi/Welbeck mainly though I honestly wouldn't mind giving Jack time in Ozil's position for the rest of the season ..... albeit they were absolute filth, he did look reasonably sharp offensively against Bate Borisolv offensively .... but this has to be predicated on him committing his future to us. I'm sick of enabling players to whittle down contracts by refusing to be ruthless with them. Want serious game time Jack ..... well then sign a contract.

And any rate given Jack's injury history, new contract or not we can't rely on him as a long term solution - so I think a replacement is essential in the summer ..... probably Draxler assuming he's not content to waste his career rotting on the PSG bench being a spectator to Mbappe, Neymar and Alexis (yes I think he's going there).

[Özim]

We're going to lose Ozil and Sanchez but in truth I'm not as fussed as I should be, these two would be great in a quality team that can utilise their talents but in our team the reality is they're a long way from their best, we've got a number of players just getting ready to walk away from the club so in reality they don't really care too much about results.

I'm about as indifferent about any of our players leaving as I've even been, the truth is that players can come and go but until the manager changes it won't matter, whoever we sign won't elevate us to be challengers, the fact I feel so indifferent about two of our best players leaving just shows how underwhelming this team is, even the star players don't really fill me with excitement, because well, the club is so stale.

I don't really care where we come in the league right now, because the reality is we're just papering over the cracks, whatever we achieve we always know it's the bare minimum to keep Wenger in the job and the fans content.

I saw on AFTV they asked why there's no atmosphere at our place, whereas the atmosphere at clubs like PSG (who also have a lot of new fans and foreign fans) is rocking, simple answer, PSG and other big clubs generate excitement for their fans, we are the kings of boredom, nothing changes, it's the same repetitive rubbish year on year for as long as I can remember. Who can really remain optimistic when you have that every year, this club is very unique, the only big club in the world where, the bare minimum is acceptable and where achievements and fan statifaction doesn't matter at all.

This recent run of wins really means little, average performances, scraping wins just as we have been doing for years, no champagne football, no putting teams to the sword, it's all so predictable. What fans want to see if big wins like the Manchester clubs (and Spurs) are delivering, something that shows you're not just churning out narrow wins every game and genuinely look like a good side.

[Niall_Quinn]

I think it's kind of obvious that Ozil's not really injured ....... and tbh good on the club and Wenger. I've been calling on Wenger & Gazidis to be tougher on that shitlord for ages now.

And the noise coming from those ITK was that the club legitimately tried to flog Ozil this summer but there were no interested parties. No one was willing to pay a fee, even a reduced one, for him which is indicative how underwhelming he's been for us all things considered. So I don't see why we're going suddenly going to get a plethora of takers with six months left before he's available on a free.

It'll be Iwobi/Welbeck mainly though I honestly wouldn't mind giving Jack time in Ozil's position for the rest of the season ..... albeit they were absolute filth, he did look reasonably sharp offensively against Bate Borisolv offensively .... but this has to be predicated on him committing his future to us. I'm sick of enabling players to whittle down contracts by refusing to be ruthless with them. Want serious game time Jack ..... well then sign a contract.

And any rate given Jack's injury history, new contract or not we can't rely on him as a long term solution - so I think a replacement is essential in the summer ..... probably Draxler assuming he's not content to waste his career rotting on the PSG bench being a spectator to Mbappe, Neymar and Alexis (yes I think he's going there).

The replacement will be nobody, or at least nobody that's useful, because once Ozil and Alexis are out the door the final nail in the coffin in terms of our ability to attract quality players will have been driven home. Kroenke and Wenger have relentlessly reduced the status of this club and, unless Wenger does the decent thing, we'll continue sinking deeper down the order as a destination for genuine quality.

One silver lining as we watch our stars fade out, Wenger's position as the top earner at the club will be secured. That's a very good thing indeed. The most important thing I think.

[Niall_Quinn]

We're going to lose Ozil and Sanchez but in truth I'm not as fussed as I should be, these two would be great in a quality team that can utilise their talents but in our team the reality is they're a long way from their best, we've got a number of players just getting ready to walk away from the club so in reality they don't really care too much about results.

I'm about as indifferent about any of our players leaving as I've even been, the truth is that players can come and go but until the manager changes it won't matter, whoever we sign won't elevate us to be challengers, the fact I feel so indifferent about two of our best players leaving just shows how underwhelming this team is, even the star players don't really fill me with excitement, because well, the club is so stale.

I don't really care where we come in the league right now, because the reality is we're just papering over the cracks, whatever we achieve we always know it's the bare minimum to keep Wenger in the job and the fans content.

I saw on AFTV they asked why there's no atmosphere at our place, whereas the atmosphere at clubs like PSG (who also have a lot of new fans and foreign fans) is rocking, simple answer, PSG and other big clubs generate excitement for their fans, we are the kings of boredom, nothing changes, it's the same repetitive rubbish year on year for as long as I can remember. Who can really remain optimistic when you have that every year, this club is very unique, the only big club in the world where, the bare minimum is acceptable and where achievements and fan statifaction doesn't matter at all.

This recent run of wins really means little, average performances, scraping wins just as we have been doing for years, no champagne football, no putting teams to the sword, it's all so predictable. What fans want to see if big wins like the Manchester clubs (and Spurs) are delivering, something that shows you're not just churning out narrow wins every game and genuinely look like a good side.

Very important point, this club doesn't give a flying fuck about entertaining the fans. In fact Wenger goes out of his way to stamp out all traces of entertainment. Wouldn't be surprised if he drops Alexis for giving the fans something to watch in the second half against Brighton. I like the way he subbed Lacazette when he was on a hattrick a couple of weeks back. I was really nervous there for a moment that we might see something interesting and the player might pick up a bit of confidence, but Wenger acted swiftly and I was grateful for that. I liked it against Brighton when we had finally developed a bit of control and were starting to play watchable football, in spurts at least. Again, Wenger was on the case and rolled out Bif, Theo and Elneny. Slightly overkill if you ask me, Bif alone would have been enough to eliminate the momentum. But better safe than entertained.

[Marc Overmars]

Ozil to United is doing the rounds again.

:rose:

[Niall_Quinn]

Ozil to United is doing the rounds again.

:rose:

A media thing I suspect. Maureen and Ozil reunited . It writes itself and must be irresistible to fat, lazy journalists. There seems to be some substance to Inter.

[GP]

But Ozil is lazy and ineffective. Why would they want him?

[GP]

Ian Wright says Sean Dyche is the man to replace Wenger.

[Özim]

Very important point, this club doesn't give a flying fuck about entertaining the fans. In fact Wenger goes out of his way to stamp out all traces of entertainment. Wouldn't be surprised if he drops Alexis for giving the fans something to watch in the second half against Brighton. I like the way he subbed Lacazette when he was on a hattrick a couple of weeks back. I was really nervous there for a moment that we might see something interesting and the player might pick up a bit of confidence, but Wenger acted swiftly and I was grateful for that. I liked it against Brighton when we had finally developed a bit of control and were starting to play watchable football, in spurts at least. Again, Wenger was on the case and rolled out Bif, Theo and Elneny. Slightly overkill if you ask me, Bif alone would have been enough to eliminate the momentum. But better safe than entertained.

The man is full of odd decisions, when there's an obvious logical choice to make, he does the opposite, it's almost as if he does it on purpose, just as he seems to do when there's an obvious choice with signings, he does the opposite to try and prove people wrong, very odd man.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Ian Wright says Sean Dyche is the man to replace Wenger.

They seemed to be a little unsure why someone like Ancelotti might be chosen ahead of him.

[GP]

They seemed to be a little unsure why someone like Ancelotti might be chosen ahead of him.

What does Ancelotti know about the premier League?

[McNamara That Ghost...]

http://ak.c.ooyala.com/NsbzdsbTp6bPvP9jRYBfaiCgIziGrlIg/Ut_HKthATH4eww8X4xMDoxOjBrO-I4W8
http://www.itsroundanditswhite.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/marco-silva-hull-middlesbrough_3924500-e1491553562427.jpg

[Power n Glory]

I think it's kind of obvious that Ozil's not really injured ....... and tbh good on the club and Wenger. I've been calling on Wenger & Gazidis to be tougher on that shitlord for ages now.

And the noise coming from those ITK was that the club legitimately tried to flog Ozil this summer but there were no interested parties. No one was willing to pay a fee, even a reduced one, for him which is indicative how underwhelming he's been for us all things considered. So I don't see why we're going suddenly going to get a plethora of takers with six months left before he's available on a free.

It'll be Iwobi/Welbeck mainly though I honestly wouldn't mind giving Jack time in Ozil's position for the rest of the season ..... albeit they were absolute filth, he did look reasonably sharp offensively against Bate Borisolv offensively .... but this has to be predicated on him committing his future to us. I'm sick of enabling players to whittle down contracts by refusing to be ruthless with them. Want serious game time Jack ..... well then sign a contract.

And any rate given Jack's injury history, new contract or not we can't rely on him as a long term solution - so I think a replacement is essential in the summer ..... probably Draxler assuming he's not content to waste his career rotting on the PSG bench being a spectator to Mbappe, Neymar and Alexis (yes I think he's going there).

Will be interesting to see where he ends up next summer. I can see a possible move to Utd because he’s played under Jose before and he knows his potential. Will he be able to command £300k? We’ll soon see. One of the most underwhelming players I’ve seen here at Arsenal. I’ve seen endless excuses as to why he’s not performing and he’s absolutely taken the piss whilst here and managed to avoid any sort of criticism. The true Wizard of Oz. We’ll see if anyone else is willing to buy the disappearing act.

[Marc Overmars]

http://ak.c.ooyala.com/NsbzdsbTp6bPvP9jRYBfaiCgIziGrlIg/Ut_HKthATH4eww8X4xMDoxOjBrO-I4W8
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Didn’t that guy take Hull down?

Merse woz rite

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Didn’t that guy take Hull down?

Merse woz rite

He did the league a favour tbf.

[Niall_Quinn]

But Ozil is lazy and ineffective. Why would they want him?

I suppose they might take a gamble on the whole Ozil is Awful (All Rights Reserved) media campaign suddenly transforming into Ozil is Wonderful (Patent Pending) if he moves there. Big risk if you ask me. I'd rate the chances of that happening as no higher than 100% at best.

[Cripps]

Honestly could not give a feck if ozil left. In fact I think we'd be a far far better team without him, especially if we replaced him with an energetic, pressing AM, so I favour him going.

Sanchez I'd be gutted. But not borderline depressed like a few years ago because we're used to players leaving now and I understand his frustration. Hopefully we do a swap deal in Jan to get a top class replacement. Draxler would be good.

[The Emirates Gallactico]

Will be interesting to see where he ends up next summer. I can see a possible move to Utd because he’s played under Jose before and he knows his potential. Will he be able to command £300k? We’ll soon see. One of the most underwhelming players I’ve seen here at Arsenal. I’ve seen endless excuses as to why he’s not performing and he’s absolutely taken the piss whilst here and managed to avoid any sort of criticism. The true Wizard of Oz. We’ll see if anyone else is willing to buy the disappearing act.

United have stacks of money to burn and he's available on a free so I can him getting that wage there. Plus, for as underwhelming as he's been on the pitch for us, he's a very marketable player off it ....... I think we and Puma have made stacks of money out of Ozil shirt sales around the world.

He'll probably put in a few top tier performances at the start because Mourinho will force him to before eventually reverting to type and the United fans will get the same Ozil that we've had: the talent to be majestical on his day but doesn't have the application to influence games enough on a consistent basis. Plus he'll be 29 in a couple of weeks so he approaching the tail end of his career now.

[Niall_Quinn]

I'm not sure some people are getting what it means when our two star players walk out on a free. This is incompetence on a level never seen before at a top club. The net result will be catastrophic. No players of significance will want to come here from that point forward, not unless they see us as a stepping stone to the real deal and basically arrive and do another Ozil/ Alexis.

Between them, Kroenke and Wenger have completely fucked the club. Yes, they are surfing the inertia of its earnings potential and yes, they may have a get out of jail card available in the shape of a new Euro super league. But if that league doesn't materialise we are done as a top flight club. We are done regardless in terms of what we can do on the pitch, but if we don't get a shoo-in to a Euro league then we're done on the perception front too and that's the only thing that has been keeping us alive.

It's amazing we haven't paid our two star players what they want. Fucking criminal. Can you imagine this team without Ozil and Alexis. Evidently some can, but sure as hell they are judging things on media ramblings rather than the hard facts. You really want Theo Walcott and Jack Wilshere in his current state to be the real big things at Arsenal FC? Enjoy yourselves if that's what you want. Plenty won't and will be heading for the exits instead.

We're watching a dying club here.

[Niall_Quinn]

I'd get Dyche in tomorrow if I thought it would make a blind bit of difference. Obviously he's a far superior manager to Wenger, but then again, so am I. So it's not saying much. But at least he'd play players in their proper positions and prepare for the opponent. He'd drill the defence and introduce a bit of discipline. How do we know that for sure? Because there's only one manage in world football who doesn't do those most basics of basics, and the cunt is here at our club pulling down millions for his incompetence. But sure, why not, Dyche would be an immediate improvement. Look at the last 10 years at Arsenal and if you deny this basic truth you are living in cloud cuckoo land.

But the reason we shouldn't go for Dyche is we still have enough credibility as a club to do better. Yes, Dyche is a far superior manager to Wenger. No, he's not good enough for Arsenal Football Club. What a fucking mess we are in.

And no matter what, the cunt Wenger isn't leaving. And even if the cunt did leave, we still have Kroenke at the helm.

It all seems pretty hopeless to me. There doesn't seem to be a way out of this while the club suffers these two cunts hanging on for grim life.

[Niall_Quinn]

Arsenal are prepared to swap star forward Alexis Sanchez for PSG attacker Julian Draxler in a remarkable January transfer.

Sanchez is out of contract next summer and seems ill-inclined to sign a new deal with the Gunners.

He was keen on a summer move to Manchester City, however a deadline day £60m transfer fell through when Arsenal were unable to bring in Monaco's Thomas Lemar as a replacement.

Let's think this one through, just to demonstrate how earth-shatteringly incompetent Wenger is.

A couple of years back Draxler was available for 32 mill. L'Moron said, yes, yes, we looked at Draxler. But no bid. It would have cost 32 mill to bring Draxler into a team with Ozil and Alexis still on contract. It would have displayed some ambition, some intent. It might have given the signals our better players are looking for today and have looked for in the past that this club has an ounce of desire to compete. Fabregas wanted to see it. RvC wanted to see it. Alexis wanted to see it but realised the harsh truth, to the extent he refused 300kpw just to get out of here. But had we spent 32 mill bringing Draxler in and then arrived at this summer window and brought in Lemar in addition to Lacazette, what would the team look like now and what would Ozil's and Alexis' attitudes be?

Instead, here's what the moron has done. Blown 90 mill in a single window on journeymen rather than sign Draxler. Expertly steered the team out of the CL. Dithered while our stars ran down their contracts. Sat with his finger up his shithole instead of putting the money on the table for Lemar. So now, instead of supplementing Alexis with Draxler, we're supposedly talking about a swap deal. A deal that will surely see us paying PSG, because Alexis' contract has "ideally" run down. And we'll have to convince Draxler to come here, not to join Alexis and Ozil on the pitch, but as they are both walking out the door.

Better still, the team won't have advanced one jot and, if anything, we'll have taken another step backwards.

This fucking moron supposedly in charge couldn't build a team if Arsenal was the only club in football. He'd still fuck it up. How can anyone believe this man has a clue what he's doing? Just how bad does it have to get before the stark bollock naked Emperor Wenger gets called out for what he is?

All the worst fears are coming true. A couple of years back people were talking about damage limitation, hoping that by keeping this shit on the damage he would inevitably do would not prove terminal. Some said don't give him any money. Too right when you see how he spent that 90 mill.

This Alexis/ Draxler story comes from the Daily Star, so obviously there's not a grain of truth to it. And besides, Alexis can do whatever the fuck he wants in January and Wenger has no say in it. But it got me thinking how we could have managed transfers over the last few seasons and how this incompetent old goat keeps banging on about finding the qualiteeeee when it keeps on parading right under his nose. Vidal, Draxler. Alexis, Ozil, Lacazette, Lemar - this was very, very possible, eminently doable, and it probably would have cost roughly the same or maybe just a bit more as the amount he's blown on shite.

And then there was the one about him refusing to pay 7 mill to an agent to arrange the transfer of that kid on a free. What was his name?

Mbappe.

[Power n Glory]

I'm not sure some people are getting what it means when our two star players walk out on a free. This is incompetence on a level never seen before at a top club. The net result will be catastrophic. No players of significance will want to come here from that point forward, not unless they see us as a stepping stone to the real deal and basically arrive and do another Ozil/ Alexis.

Between them, Kroenke and Wenger have completely fucked the club. Yes, they are surfing the inertia of its earnings potential and yes, they may have a get out of jail card available in the shape of a new Euro super league. But if that league doesn't materialise we are done as a top flight club. We are done regardless in terms of what we can do on the pitch, but if we don't get a shoo-in to a Euro league then we're done on the perception front too and that's the only thing that has been keeping us alive.

It's amazing we haven't paid our two star players what they want. Fucking criminal. Can you imagine this team without Ozil and Alexis. Evidently some can, but sure as hell they are judging things on media ramblings rather than the hard facts. You really want Theo Walcott and Jack Wilshere in his current state to be the real big things at Arsenal FC? Enjoy yourselves if that's what you want. Plenty won't and will be heading for the exits instead.

We're watching a dying club here.

Leaving aside the politics and how things would look if we lost Ozil. In footballing terms, how do you think his loss on the field would compare to when we lost Vieira, Cesc or RVP? I mention those three loses because they are the losses I see that had a drastic effect on the way we played for a seasons and never quite recovered from.

[Marc Overmars]

Leaving aside the politics and how things would look if we lost Ozil. In footballing terms, how do you think his loss on the field would compare to when we lost Vieira, Cesc or RVP? I mention those three loses because they are the losses I see that had a drastic effect on the way we played for a seasons and never quite recovered from.

Weirdly enough I had this chat with a friend the other night who said losing Ozil would be worse than when we lost RVP. Of course I told him he was talking absolute bollocks.

I think even Vieira and Cesc were bigger losses than Ozil would prove to be. These players all had significant and tangible effects on the team at their point of departure, they weren't just a cog in the wheel, they were the wheel. Ozil is supremely talented but he needs to go and play for a more demanding manager and with better players. He's not good enough to pick us up from the doldrums.

Alexis on the other hand, that explosiveness will be near enough impossible to replace unless we break the bank. The kind of player who can light up a drab game and be the difference.

[selassie]

Leaving aside the politics and how things would look if we lost Ozil. In footballing terms, how do you think his loss on the field would compare to when we lost Vieira, Cesc or RVP? I mention those three loses because they are the losses I see that had a drastic effect on the way we played for a seasons and never quite recovered from.

I don't think losing Ozil will weaken us significantly, he's not in the same category as Vieira, Cesc or RVP in terms of his contribution and influence on the team.

From the point of view ambition it's going to look really bad Ozil and Sanchez walking out the door for free.

What makes things even worse is they look likely to both leave for our supposed rivals in Man City and Man United.

Next summer is going to be an absolute bloodbath, no amount of wriggling will get Wenger out of this mess and he better be ambitious in the market otherwise things are going to get really really ugly.

[Niall_Quinn]

Leaving aside the politics and how things would look if we lost Ozil. In footballing terms, how do you think his loss on the field would compare to when we lost Vieira, Cesc or RVP? I mention those three loses because they are the losses I see that had a drastic effect on the way we played for a seasons and never quite recovered from.

Okay, leaving aside the disastrous and crucially important "politics" of it all, you're comparing apples, oranges and elephants. Don't worry about Vieira, his loss was massive and probably the most unrecoverable loss we have suffered so far. That ridiculous idiot Wenger hasn't replaced him to this day - and bear that in mind when we talk about Ozil and Alexis. The old goat has only just managed to bring a decent striker in and that wouldn't have happened were it not for a fortuitous, from our point of view, transfer ban. But forget Vieira, he was a central figure and a winner in a winning team. We can't compare his situation to the rest.

Cesc and RvC, these were important players in a declining team. We couldn't afford to lose them not just because of their talent but because the old goat had dumped the whole team on their backs and asked them to carry it. They were his get out of retirement free card during a time when the club had no ambition whatsoever to supplement their talents with additional personal. In truth, both these players wasted big chunks of their careers by being around Wenger. There was nothing for them at Arsenal, and of course they both had to leave. Wenger will say he had the whole stadium matter holding him back, but time has told us his excuses are bullshit. He's just a shitty manager, finances or no finances.

Ozil and Alexis joined the club as we were supposed to be emerging from our financial constraints and into direct competition with the likes of Bayern - you know, that German lot who keep beating us 10-2. Ozil and Alexis leaving represents the still birth of this brave new ambition (or lie if you prefer the truth) the fans bought in return for the most expensive prices in world football. When they leave, that's it. We've been through the whole stadium thing and we'll come out the other end with Theo Walcott to show for it.

People can be concerned with media stories about Ozil being unproductive, and they are despite the facts flying in the face of the "journalists'" fairytales. But let's pretend Ozil is lazy, and let's pretend he wants a free ride and all that other good stuff that Arsenal fans buy into when it is served up by pie eaters who have a traditional hatred of this club stemming back to the days when we used to compete with their precious Utd. Fine, get rid of Ozil then. Bye. The fans don't seem so keen to part with Alexis though. So let's do everything we can to keep him, and we can play Elneny and Walcott and Xhaka alongside him so he can be super effective. Happy days. Who needs Ozil when you have such an array of world class talent to help leverage the industry of Alexis. Carrying on the pretence, Elneny will give us more than the German World Cup winner (who seems to do rather well when he plays in an organised German national team). Hell, let's bring Jack back and he can do the business too. I can't see anything that could go wrong with this plan, even though there may be some who say wait, haven't we been here over and over and over again?

Second tier masquerading as top tier, that's Wenger's speciality. And now we can see the real similarity between RvC, Cesc and Ozil. Wenger can't hold on to his top players. That's what they all have in common. And he can't do it because he insists on surrounding those players with shite. And he does that because he won't commit in the transfer window, he won't deliver on the post-stadium promises. And even when he does spend, he doesn't know how to do it properly and we end up with another batch of second tier goods.

It's a pretty pointless conversation now, as both players are certainly leaving. And on their own terms. What a fuck up. And it really doesn't matter a damn what happens on the pitch because everyone already knows the fine details about that. Our second tier team that Wenger refuses to build upon will hover around behind the genuine contenders, never getting within a realistic sniff of the big prizes. Here we go again, another reset and another squad in transition. Transition is Wenger's addiction. He's always in transit because he doesn't have a clue what the destination looks like or how to get there.

When Ozil signed it should have been the start of what the fans were promised. When Alexis signed it started to look like maybe, perhaps these promises were being filled. And then the moron in chief reverted to type, he halted in his tracks, reversed and took us back to where he's most comfortable. Mediocrity.

I expect this from Wenger because he's a shit. What I didn't expect was so many fans gloating at the club's slow and sorry demise. Oh yes, get rid of Ozil. Get him out. Because we'll definitely sign a better player to replace him. Won't we? And we'll surely sign a few more and really start building a competitive squad, won't we? Just look at all the evidence that supports this happy outcome as we cut of our noses to spite our faces and go around the loop one more time in the hope Wenger will finally do his job.

Personally I wouldn't care if Ozil took a sleeping bag onto the pitch. With Wenger in charge, what goes on on the pitch is irrelevant. We all know the final outcome. There's no surprises and no progress. The only hope, if we must suffer Wenger, is to have enough quality (real quality, not Wenger's version of it) in the squad and on the pitch so the deficits of Wenger can be countered and overcome. Hell, that's a LOT of quality we need.

But instead we are watching Ozil and Alexis walk out the door.

Around we go again.

[Niall_Quinn]

I don't think losing Ozil will weaken us significantly, he's not in the same category as Vieira, Cesc or RVP in terms of his contribution and influence on the team.

From the point of view ambition it's going to look really bad Ozil and Sanchez walking out the door for free.

What makes things even worse is they look likely to both leave for our supposed rivals in Man City and Man United.

Next summer is going to be an absolute bloodbath, no amount of wriggling will get Wenger out of this mess and he better be ambitious in the market otherwise things are going to get really really ugly.

Maybe you haven't heard - but the situation is "ideal".

And, as well you know, we almost signed Mbappe and Lemar.

[Özim]

Maybe you haven't heard - but the situation is "ideal".

And, as well you know, we almost signed Mbappe and Lemar.

Mbappe is our top target, we're putting all our efforts into signing him and we're very close, we just need Jupiter, Mars, Venus, the Moon and Earth to be perfectly aligned and exactly 100kms away from each other, once that's in place he's ours, shouldn't be long we're only 2% away apparently.

[Özim]

Okay, leaving aside the disastrous and crucially important "politics" of it all, you're comparing apples, oranges and elephants. Don't worry about Vieira, his loss was massive and probably the most unrecoverable loss we have suffered so far. That ridiculous idiot Wenger hasn't replaced him to this day - and bear that in mind when we talk about Ozil and Alexis. The old goat has only just managed to bring a decent striker in and that wouldn't have happened were it not for a fortuitous, from our point of view, transfer ban. But forget Vieira, he was a central figure and a winner in a winning team. We can't compare his situation to the rest.

Cesc and RvC, these were important players in a declining team. We couldn't afford to lose them not just because of their talent but because the old goat had dumped the whole team on their backs and asked them to carry it. They were his get out of retirement free card during a time when the club had no ambition whatsoever to supplement their talents with additional personal. In truth, both these players wasted big chunks of their careers by being around Wenger. There was nothing for them at Arsenal, and of course they both had to leave. Wenger will say he had the whole stadium matter holding him back, but time has told us his excuses are bullshit. He's just a shitty manager, finances or no finances.

Ozil and Alexis joined the club as we were supposed to be emerging from our financial constraints and into direct competition with the likes of Bayern - you know, that German lot who keep beating us 10-2. Ozil and Alexis leaving represents the still birth of this brave new ambition (or lie if you prefer the truth) the fans bought in return for the most expensive prices in world football. When they leave, that's it. We've been through the whole stadium thing and we'll come out the other end with Theo Walcott to show for it.

People can be concerned with media stories about Ozil being unproductive, and they are despite the facts flying in the face of the "journalists'" fairytales. But let's pretend Ozil is lazy, and let's pretend he wants a free ride and all that other good stuff that Arsenal fans buy into when it is served up by pie eaters who have a traditional hatred of this club stemming back to the days when we used to compete with their precious Utd. Fine, get rid of Ozil then. Bye. The fans don't seem so keen to part with Alexis though. So let's do everything we can to keep him, and we can play Elneny and Walcott and Xhaka alongside him so he can be super effective. Happy days. Who needs Ozil when you have such an array of world class talent to help leverage the industry of Alexis. Carrying on the pretence, Elneny will give us more than the German World Cup winner (who seems to do rather well when he plays in an organised German national team). Hell, let's bring Jack back and he can do the business too. I can't see anything that could go wrong with this plan, even though there may be some who say wait, haven't we been here over and over and over again?

Second tier masquerading as top tier, that's Wenger's speciality. And now we can see the real similarity between RvC, Cesc and Ozil. Wenger can't hold on to his top players. That's what they all have in common. And he can't do it because he insists on surrounding those players with shite. And he does that because he won't commit in the transfer window, he won't deliver on the post-stadium promises. And even when he does spend, he doesn't know how to do it properly and we end up with another batch of second tier goods.

It's a pretty pointless conversation now, as both players are certainly leaving. And on their own terms. What a fuck up. And it really doesn't matter a damn what happens on the pitch because everyone already knows the fine details about that. Our second tier team that Wenger refuses to build upon will hover around behind the genuine contenders, never getting within a realistic sniff of the big prizes. Here we go again, another reset and another squad in transition. Transition is Wenger's addiction. He's always in transit because he doesn't have a clue what the destination looks like or how to get there.

When Ozil signed it should have been the start of what the fans were promised. When Alexis signed it started to look like maybe, perhaps these promises were being filled. And then the moron in chief reverted to type, he halted in his tracks, reversed and took us back to where he's most comfortable. Mediocrity.

I expect this from Wenger because he's a shit. What I didn't expect was so many fans gloating at the club's slow and sorry demise. Oh yes, get rid of Ozil. Get him out. Because we'll definitely sign a better player to replace him. Won't we? And we'll surely sign a few more and really start building a competitive squad, won't we? Just look at all the evidence that supports this happy outcome as we cut of our noses to spite our faces and go around the loop one more time in the hope Wenger will finally do his job.

Personally I wouldn't care if Ozil took a sleeping bag onto the pitch. With Wenger in charge, what goes on on the pitch is irrelevant. We all know the final outcome. There's no surprises and no progress. The only hope, if we must suffer Wenger, is to have enough quality (real quality, not Wenger's version of it) in the squad and on the pitch so the deficits of Wenger can be countered and overcome. Hell, that's a LOT of quality we need.

But instead we are watching Ozil and Alexis walk out the door.

Around we go again.

You're spot on and as for Vieira, totally agree the beginning of the end for us when we sold a player with still a lot to offer for peanuts to another big club because Wenger thought he was being smart, in the processing changing everything good about the team, one of the worst decisions in football to date.

[Blink 1nce Quince 2wice]

Ozil has less around him making use of his qualities than those before him did and so his absence will be less felt. This team without him and Sanchez is a horrible prospect....make no mistake. Forget the Chelsea game. That wouldn't keep up for a season.

[Power n Glory]

Ozil has less around him making use of his qualities than those before him did and so his absence will be less felt. This team without him and Sanchez is a horrible prospect....make no mistake. Forget the Chelsea game. That wouldn't keep up for a season.

Van Persie had far less to work with. In his best seasons he was getting assists from Song and Walcott.

I really disagree with Ozil not having enough to work with. Cesc had to play games with Denilson sitting behind him as our DM! Toure and Gallas behind in defence or maybe Senderos and Djourou along with Almunia in goal.

Reagrdless of how bad the team is, nothing has me questioning Sanchez's ability as a player.

[Niall_Quinn]

Ozil has less around him making use of his qualities than those before him did and so his absence will be less felt. This team without him and Sanchez is a horrible prospect....make no mistake. Forget the Chelsea game. That wouldn't keep up for a season.

This is backwards thinking surely? We won't "miss" a player as much if he goes? We should be asking who else we need to add in order to get the best team possible on the pitch and competing.

[Marc Overmars]

Van Persie had far less to work with. In his best seasons he was getting assists from Song and Walcott.

I really disagree with Ozil not having enough to work with. Cesc had to play games with Denilson sitting behind him as our DM! Toure and Gallas behind in defence or maybe Senderos and Djourou along with Almunia in goal.

Reagrdless of how bad the team is, nothing has me questioning Sanchez's ability as a player.

We produced better football with a squad of players most of us would deem inferior to what we have now.

[Blink 1nce Quince 2wice]

This is backwards thinking surely? We won't "miss" a player as much if he goes? We should be asking who else we need to add in order to get the best team possible on the pitch and competing.

That is the reality yes. I'm not saying we should get rid! But clearly he wants out and I don't totally blame him.

[Blink 1nce Quince 2wice]

Van Persie had far less to work with. In his best seasons he was getting assists from Song and Walcott.

I really disagree with Ozil not having enough to work with. Cesc had to play games with Denilson sitting behind him as our DM! Toure and Gallas behind in defence or maybe Senderos and Djourou along with Almunia in goal.

Reagrdless of how bad the team is, nothing has me questioning Sanchez's ability as a player.

That's just it.....Song and Walcott were excellent assist providers in that season.

Cesc had Adebayor at his best and first came into it when we were still a great side. Ozil has been useful when other quality players have been there to capitalise like Sanchez but running around with the immobility of Giroud and blunt instrument of Welbeck and whoever else has not flatttered his talents to its utmost best.

[Power n Glory]

That's just it.....Song and Walcott were excellent assist providers in that season.

Cesc had Adebayor at his best and first came into it when we were still a great side. Ozil has been useful when other quality players have been there to capitalise like Sanchez but running around with the immobility of Giroud and blunt instrument of Welbeck and whoever else has not flatttered his talents to its utmost best.
Ozil's best season was when Giroud was up front. Whether it be Sanchez, Walcott, Welbeck or even Lacazette this season, we've never seen it make a remarkable difference on his game. We've had games where it's Sanchez, Welbeck, Ox, Walcott or Iwobi and that makes no difference to Ozil's game. Not to mention Ramsey constantly bombing forwards to get on the end of a pass.

Sanchez doesn't have that problem in terms of passing and creating chances. Last season he was one assist away from equaling Ozil's record here at Arsenal to go along with the 30 goals he scored.

Adebayor was just as wasteful as Welbeck but we created more clear cut chances for Ade. It's not as if Ozil has nobody to work with at all. Theo scored 19 last season, Sanchez is a goal scorer, Giroud has probably benefited more from an Ozil pass compared to the rest. Ramsey can score goals. There is no way this team man for man is worse than what we had to work with in the past. I haven't even mentioned Cazorla or takes the burden away from Ozil even having to worry about collecting the ball from defence and recycling possession from deep. He has a had a role where he can totally focus on being in the attacking third and creating chances.

[Niall_Quinn]

That is the reality yes. I'm not saying we should get rid! But clearly he wants out and I don't totally blame him.

Yes, I know. It's all quite bizarre. It's a reverse conversation where it has to be assumed the ideal position is the exact opposite of what is being advocated in order to account for the upside-down world of Kroenke and Wenger.

So yes, Ozil should go because we can't use his particular abilities to advantage in a squad that is in steady decline. And yes, we know it's bad for the top players to be heading out, but Wenger has made it all irrelevant anyway, first by allowing the "ideal" run down of contracts and, secondly, because he'll never build a coherent, stable and ambitious team anyway.

This is like a particularly complicated episode of that soap called Soap. Confused? You soon will be.

[Özim]

Sounds like we could cash in on Sanchez and/or Ozil in January. Too little too late, should have either signed them up or sold them in summer 2016, we'll get a pittance now.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/41592531

[Niall_Quinn]

Sounds like we could cash in on Sanchez and/or Ozil in January. Too little too late, should have either signed them up or sold them in summer 2016, we'll get a pittance now.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/41592531

You knew we'd strive to find the worst possible outcome, surely?

[Özim]

You knew we'd strive to find the worst possible outcome, surely?

It's what we do best, for the peanuts we'll get for them in January it's hardly even worth selling. If we were going to sell we should have just taken our 50 million last summer, at least it would have given us some money to play with, even if it's not really what we wanted.

[Globalgunner]

Worst part is there will be no available replacements in January. We will end up with our 2 best players leaving and no one else coming in. Anyway, Wenger will have his ready made excuse. Ban the transfer window, they are the reasons our players are leaving,

[selassie]

Sounds like we could cash in on Sanchez and/or Ozil in January. Too little too late, should have either signed them up or sold them in summer 2016, we'll get a pittance now.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/41592531

Classic Arsenal!

What I find strange about the Sanchez situation is that we didn't sell him in the summer...oh hold on a minute...I don't find it strange because we seem to screw up absolutely everything when it comes to transfers and the like! :rolleyes:

[Globalgunner]

Its because everything at Arsenal revolves around the whims and caprices of an old fart who puts his pride before all else. He didnt sell Sanchez in the summer because he felt slighted by the fact he wouldnt sign an extension. Now he thinks given our current league position that we can still snag 5th place without him. So now he wants to sell and if we end up missing out on CL. He will blame the window and the excessive spending of the top 4.

[Niall_Quinn]

Worst part is there will be no available replacements in January. We will end up with our 2 best players leaving and no one else coming in. Anyway, Wenger will have his ready made excuse. Ban the transfer window, they are the reasons our players are leaving,

Always the plan. As you can see in the media, Wilshere is experiencing a renaissance. And when Welbeck comes back he'll be like a new signing. So that's two new players right there. Can't ask for more than that. Not when we're down to our last quarter billion in the bank.

[selassie]

Always the plan. As you can see in the media, Wilshere is experiencing a renaissance. And when Welbeck comes back he'll be like a new signing. So that's two new players right there. Can't ask for more than that. Not when we're down to our last quarter billion in the bank.

We've got no money apparently? Didn't you hear that in the summer, we can't compete...

[Niall_Quinn]

Ozil to Utd, Alexis to the gypos - is starting to look how it will be.

Fuck.

[Power n Glory]

Ozil to Utd, Alexis to the gypos - is starting to look how it will be.

Fuck.

That's not exactly a shock. The press have already done the rounds with that story. The latest news is that Ozil is telling his teammates that he's certain to join Man Utd. That's the story going around this morning.

[selassie]

That's not exactly a shock. The press have already done the rounds with that story. The latest news is that Ozil is telling his teammates that he's certain to join Man Utd. That's the story going around this morning.

I think this one has legs, in fact I wouldn't put it past them to muck us about a bit with the fee come January because we are pretty screwed when it comes to him.

[Niall_Quinn]

Just shocking that the great new era that has arrived on the back end of a decade of upheaval has culminated in us...

Selling our best players...
Failing to compete...
Playing shit football...
In a stadium with fuck all atmosphere that everyone seems to hate.

What a fucking failure on an epic scale.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Oh well, none of us expected them to stay past 2018 and probably thought they would go to premier league rivals

A proper club would have sold them both in the summer and got in replacements quickly, but we know we aren’t a proper club we are a part of a property portfolio.

[Power n Glory]

Just shocking that the great new era that has arrived on the back end of a decade of upheaval has culminated in us...

Selling our best players...
Failing to compete...
Playing shit football...
In a stadium with fuck all atmosphere that everyone seems to hate.

What a fucking failure on an epic scale.

Is that sarcasm? It's been argued that even if the Board gave Wenger money he'd still fuck things up and we'd end up seeing the same scenario. That was said almost 10 years ago. We're just seeing the whole sorry thing unravel right before our eyes.

Also, I wonder if Ozil will pop up on Twitter or Instagram to deny the Manchester Utd talk if he hasn't already? The lack of respect is to flagrant. One of the worst teams Wenger has put together. In fact, the worst.

[Niall_Quinn]

The Sun is claiming some bod called Berkay Ozcan will be the cheapoworld class replacement for Ozil.

A kid learning his trade.

Well we know how that works out.

[Globalgunner]

The Sun is claiming some bod called Berkay Ozcan will be the cheapoworld class replacement for Ozil.

A kid learning his trade.

Well we know how that works out.

He will come in to replace Ozil, but Wenger will turn him into a world class CB in no time.

[GP]

Excellent, we need a world class centre back since Kos is getting older and Merts is retiring.

Sounds like a plan.

[Niall_Quinn]

Excellent, we need a world class centre back since Kos is getting older and Merts is retiring.

Sounds like a plan.

He still has time to grow, he may be a lot taller than 5'2" by the time he signs.

[Niall_Quinn]

Everton are planning an audacious move for Arsenal's Alexis Sanchez.

The Toffees have started the new campaign in awful form after a significant summer of spending, but owner Farhad Moshiri wants to keep splashing the cash in January, according to The Sun.

He would be willing to spend £30million on the contract rebel if Arsenal decide to take the money in January - his contract expires at the end of the campaign.

Good luck with that. Not 100% convinced he's looking to move to the Championship and compete for the Freight Rover Pies Trophy.

[The Emirates Gallactico]

Good luck with that. Not 100% convinced he's looking to move to the Championship and compete for the Freight Rover Pies Trophy.

Is it April fool's already?

[Bumble]

Good luck with that. Not 100% convinced he's looking to move to the Championship and compete for the Freight Rover Pies Trophy.

think sanchez might ask for a get out clause in his contract. and lets not forget that coquelin was a championship player before becoming your defensive midfield saviour a couple of years back.

[Niall_Quinn]

think sanchez might ask for a get out clause in his contract. and lets not forget that coquelin was a championship player before becoming your defensive midfield saviour a couple of years back.

He *was* our only midfielder with balls during that season. What's the deal? When he's the best you have available it's not a poor reflection on him, it's an indictment of a club that claims it is challenging for top honours.

[Bumble]

He *was* our only midfielder with balls during that season. What's the deal? When he's the best you have available it's not a poor reflection on him, it's an indictment of a club that claims it is challenging for top honours.
actually I mistyped I meant to say our not your but it was a tongue in cheek comment about how Wenger gets desperate and somehow by luck seems to stumble across something useful. like coquelin or the switch to 3-5-2 last year.

[Niall_Quinn]

Monaco midfielder and long-term Arsenal target Thomas Lemar is now on Barcelona's radar, according to reports.

The Daily Telegraph report that Barca are showing interest in the France international as they face having to reshape their midfield next summer.

They are looking for a long-term replacement for Andres Iniesta, and with their pursuit of Philippe Coutinho continuing to be frustrated by Liverpool, are now considering Lemar instead.


Looks like we'll need a new target to dither over.

[Cripps]

Luckily we showed an intention to sign him by having a bid accepted then withdrawing 5 minutes later.

[Özim]

Looks like we'll need a new target to dither over.

Yeah it's not looking good, we always manage to screw things up somehow.

[Letters]

Luckily we showed an intention to sign him by having a bid accepted then withdrawing 5 minutes later.
I wish your dad had.
#lolz
#modoftheyear

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[Cripps]

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[McNamara That Ghost...]

I think it's time to say goodbye to this thread now.

Time for the winter misery.