Summer Transfer Misery 2017/18

[Niall_Quinn]

Conte will turn Ox into a great player. All Ox has ever needed was a bit of coaching so he can be a bit more intelligent with his game. He's always had the talent and the drive. One of the few players we havehad who wants to go forward with the ball rather than sideways or backwards. Big loss for us in some respects, and an especially big credibility loss. But in practical terms, for as long as Wenger stays, it doesn't really matter who we buy or sell.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Admitted? I have always said Gazidis has no power to fire Wenger. Is your memory that bad? I've said this for the past 10 years or so. What part of Wenger having the final say aren't you getting from the many posts here and elsewhere? You're only just catching on. I still remember the day you tried to argue that we didn't have the cash to spend when we signed Ozil. Again, if certain details about our finances weren't so public, fools would still be raging on about us not being able to compete.

How is that last part even relevant? Played? Is it more important for the focus to go on Wenger or Gazidis? For the almost a decade Wenger has evaded criticism because of these sort of arguments. It's brain dead.

I know Wenger has the final say. My argument is that he does is the result of having a spineless chief executive. If you can't convince your own boss to give you power over your employees you either aren't very good at your job or are more interested in an easy life

What I'm unable to process is the idea that Gazidis is some kind of victim of circumstance. Every time he has come out to shed a light on things as you've stated its because he is under fire himself from fans for staying silent, so when the fans come to him and ask him what are you doing about this he comes out with a load of old Fanny.

Now where I concede you have a point, is that it might not have been possible for a more independent minded chief executive to get employed in the first place because of Wenger sitting in on interviews. But I sure as hell don't believe going forward that keeping a guy who was essentially employed as a yes man is any good.

[Power n Glory]

Given our total ineptitude in tieing down players to contracts, letting too many of them go into their final years without any consequences and being unable sell well ....... we can't even boast about "net transfer spend" or celebrate the "most financially prudent team" trophy anymore.

Exactly. I said last season that if Wenger gets a new contract even though we've dropped out of the Top 4, he's getting a new deal based on sentiment and a personal relationship with Kroenke. If we can take a hit in revenue and still see no consequences, we're in deeper shit then I thought.

[Power n Glory]

I know Wenger has the final say. My argument is that he does is the result of having a spineless chief executive. If you can't convince your own boss to give you power over your employees you either aren't very good at your job or are more interested in an easy life

What I'm unable to process is the idea that Gazidis is some kind of victim of circumstance. Every time he has come out to shed a light on things as you've stated its because he is under fire himself from fans for staying silent, so when the fans come to him and ask him what are you doing about this he comes out with a load of old Fanny.

Now where I concede you have a point, is that it might not have been possible for a more independent minded chief executive to get employed in the first place because of Wenger sitting in on interviews. But I sure as hell don't believe going forward that keeping a guy who was essentially employed as a yes man is any good.

This isn't going anywhere. So you actually think a new Chief Exec would make a difference? :good: So the fans should focus on getting Gazidis out? Is that the answer? It's naive as anyone thinking a new DOF would make a difference or a new assistant manager. It's more deflection. It's dumb.

[Niall_Quinn]

We have one option as fans now, if we want to remain fans. Accept that we have become a mid-table team, just as those who wanted Wenger out warned, and accept there's absolutely nothing we can do about it. As far as hopes and ambition, fans have to hope Wenger doesn't drag us into a relegation fight in his last 2 years and our ambition is limited to maybe catching 6 decent performances in those 2 years. I think that's about our average over the last decade, 3 good performances per season.

Maybe if the sponsors baulked and decided they didn't want to associate themselves with such a bunch of losers, maybe that could provoke change. So maybe the fans are better off boycotting the sponsors. Don't fly Emirates and whenever you are booking a ticket, take the time to call up Emirates and explain why you are booking a ticket with a competitor and not them. Heres a partial list: https://www.arsenal.com/the-club/sponsors-partners

Anything else won't make a blind bit of difference because Kroenke doesn't give a shit.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

This isn't going anywhere. So you actually think a new Chief Exec would make a difference? :good: So the fans should focus on getting Gazidis out? Is that the answer? It's naive as anyone thinking a new DOF would make a difference or a new assistant manager. It's more deflection. It's dumb.

It is dumb but it's not what I'm saying and I actually said clearly it's not what I'm saying

Your argument seems to be why talk about Gazidis when we need to get rid of Wenger. I'd rather say the inability to multi task is part of the clubs problem right now. That Wenger has to go rather goes without saying, even he couldn't defend himself yesterday.

What I'm saying is, are we going to be in the same boat in a few years with a different guy because we have a chief executive who seems to prefer to play candy crush on his phone and then when the shit hits the fan thinks oh fuck I better do something.

That's not an argument for keeping Wenger under a different structure. We are long passed the point of Wenger going making things worse even as inept as Gazidis seems to be. But being an Arsenal fan it seemed kind of reasonable to speculate on what we could do to make things better. And there's very little doubt that without someone proactive and competent that there's no guarantee of that. That just to reiterate is not an argument for keeping Wenger.

[Power n Glory]

It is dumb but it's not what I'm saying and I actually said clearly it's not what I'm saying

Your argument seems to be why talk about Gazidis when we need to get rid of Wenger. I'd rather say the inability to multi task is part of the clubs problem right now. That Wenger has to go rather goes without saying, even he couldn't defend himself yesterday.

What I'm saying is, are we going to be in the same boat in a few years with a different guy because we have a chief executive who seems to prefer to play candy crush on his phone and then when the shit hits the fan thinks oh fuck I better do something.

That's not an argument for keeping Wenger under a different structure. We are long passed the point of Wenger going making things worse even as inept as Gazidis seems to be. But being an Arsenal fan it seemed kind of reasonable to speculate on what we could do to make things better. And there's very little doubt that without someone proactive and competent that there's no guarantee of that. That just to reiterate is not an argument for keeping Wenger.

It's Stan Kroenke we have to worry about. He defines the parameters of that Chief Executive role. If he disregards the advice given what's the point of having a Chief Exec? It's the structure that's the problem with Wenger having too much of a say on what happens with the club.

Taking it a step further, it's the Chairman that's a link between the Chief Exec and Owner/Board. If Gazidis is incompetent, why hasn't Sir Chips stepped in? Why didn't PHW? We've seen the musical chairs at Board level and similar to what happens on the pitch with us constantly changing players, nothing will change unless the manager goes and that decision has to come from Kroenke.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

It's Stan Kroenke we have to worry about. He defines the parameters of that Chief Executive role. If he disregards the advice given what's the point of having a Chief Exec? It's the structure that's the problem with Wenger having too much of a say on what happens with the club.

Taking it a step further, it's the Chairman that's a link between the Chief Exec and Owner/Board. If Gazidis is incompetent, why hasn't Sir Chips stepped in? Why didn't PHW? We've seen the musical chairs at Board level and similar to what happens on the pitch with us constantly changing players, nothing will change unless the manager goes and that decision has to come from Kroenke.

I think we both know the chairman is just a ornamental position

You seem to think that I'm saying Gazidis could or should have fired Wenger. Ultimately that decision will come from the owner yes, my argument is that if Wenger could cultivate a relationship with Kroenke why has Gazidis not been able to. Why does he have no influence over Kroenke to say this isn't working I need your authority to put my foot down especially when Wenger has been able to come to him and say give me a free hand you won't have to be involved.

I imagine Kroenke prefers to be as hands off with the club as possible, so when Wenger came to him about the contract I imagine he was like "yeah no problem, the less I have to involve myself the better".

For me going forward the manager should have no direct involvement with Kroenke whatsoever, he reports to the chief executive and presides over a set management structure that he has agreed with the chief executive.

I'm saying that I don't trust Gazidis going forward to maintain that kind of strength of relationship. And as I say there's no question things won't improve until Wenger goes, the question is whether things will improve after he goes. And my personal view is that to guarantee that requires Gazidis to go very shortly after Wenger.

[Marc Overmars]

So are we actually going to sign anyone over the next few days or is it just about clearing the wage bill and making that all important profit?

The fact Wenger said the Lemar deal is dead and now Liverpool are testing the waters is embarrassing. The bloke is a fraud and has no grasp on what is going on anymore.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

I think that he has no grasp on what's going on was laid bare in his interview yesterday. Take away the bollocks of the no time for emotion and yesterday like against Bayern Munich it's one of the few times he is honest both in what he says and his body language. His body language betrayed that he really was totally dumbfounded by yesterday, of course he shouldn't be but genuinely think he lives in this bubble where it's 2004 and his players just have to turn up and play their game and teams will be brushed aside.

He said cryptically there was a reason for what happened which will become clear, not that there was any real surprise. The atmosphere is players telling him they don't want to be at the club anymore. Because they have to think of themselves and their careers.

In Sanchez and Ox he started two players that aren't interested in being at this football club anymore

[Niall_Quinn]

So are we actually going to sign anyone over the next few days or is it just about clearing the wage bill and making that all important profit?

The fact Wenger said the Lemar deal is dead and now Liverpool are testing the waters is embarrassing. The bloke is a fraud and has no grasp on what is going on anymore.

Jonny Evans is the latest rumour. Other than that, nothing - unless you want to take the Draxler and Arsenio rumours seriously.

[Niall_Quinn]

I think that he has no grasp on what's going on was laid bare in his interview yesterday. Take away the bollocks of the no time for emotion and yesterday like against Bayern Munich it's one of the few times he is honest both in what he says and his body language. His body language betrayed that he really was totally dumbfounded by yesterday, of course he shouldn't be but genuinely think he lives in this bubble where it's 2004 and his players just have to turn up and play their game and teams will be brushed aside.

He said cryptically there was a reason for what happened which will become clear, not that there was any real surprise. The atmosphere is players telling him they don't want to be at the club anymore. Because they have to think of themselves and their careers.

In Sanchez and Ox he started two players that aren't interested in being at this football club anymore

I must tell you that everything will be said in my book, which I will sell at a premium (conveniently forgetting about value).

[The Emirates Gallactico]

Ultimately that decision will come from the owner yes, my argument is that if Wenger could cultivate a relationship with Kroenke why has Gazidis not been able to.

I think that's kind of straightforward.

For all the shit we give Kroenke on here, he's not a stupid or ignorant man - you don't typically become that rich by being so. He knows full well that it's Wenger who's essentially built the modern day Arsenal and transformed the club into the global brand and powerhouse it is right and in the process has been the one responsible for making the shareholders obscenely rich. So bearing that in mind, Kroneke is clearly going to pay more heed and attention to Wenger's wishes rather than Gazidis' - he's been the money maker.

[The Emirates Gallactico]

So are we actually going to sign anyone over the next few days or is it just about clearing the wage bill and making that all important profit?

The fact Wenger said the Lemar deal is dead and now Liverpool are testing the waters is embarrassing. The bloke is a fraud and has no grasp on what is going on anymore.

Honestly wouldn't be at all surprised if Gazidis tries to desperately reignite the Lemar deal in a bid (in his view) to try and calm & assauge fan pressure & anger ala some of the last minute trolley dashes we've done in the past in similar situations. It'd funny and typical if we end up paying 65 million for him in a desperate bid to ensure we get him ahead of Pool whilst 50 million would have been enough a month ago. :rolleyes:

Draxler's also possible considering he's surplus to requirements at PSG right now and Wenger's had a hard on for him for ages.

The Asensio rumours are absolutely laughable though. He's the darling child at Real Madrid, the best team in the world right now and being heralded as the future ....... why in the hell would he leave there to come to our circus right now?

[Munchies]

Even that ITK Madness mug is saying we're not in for anyone as of right now

:haha:

[Power n Glory]

I think we both know the chairman is just a ornamental position

You seem to think that I'm saying Gazidis could or should have fired Wenger. Ultimately that decision will come from the owner yes, my argument is that if Wenger could cultivate a relationship with Kroenke why has Gazidis not been able to. Why does he have no influence over Kroenke to say this isn't working I need your authority to put my foot down especially when Wenger has been able to come to him and say give me a free hand you won't have to be involved.

I imagine Kroenke prefers to be as hands off with the club as possible, so when Wenger came to him about the contract I imagine he was like "yeah no problem, the less I have to involve myself the better".

For me going forward the manager should have no direct involvement with Kroenke whatsoever, he reports to the chief executive and presides over a set management structure that he has agreed with the chief executive.

I'm saying that I don't trust Gazidis going forward to maintain that kind of strength of relationship. And as I say there's no question things won't improve until Wenger goes, the question is whether things will improve after he goes. And my personal view is that to guarantee that requires Gazidis to go very shortly after Wenger.

Read up on what attracted Kroenke to Arsenal. Wenger didn't cultivate a relationship with Stan. Stan was in love with Wenger from the very start and held him in high esteem before taking over.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/arsenal/8797931/Arsenal-owner-Stan-Kroenke-Arsene-Wenger-is-one-of-the-greats-he-will-be-in-charge-for-as-long-as-he-wants.html

You say the Chairman position is ornamental but have a hard time grasping that it's also the same case with the Chief Executive position.

How comes Ivan can't influence Stan? God knows. You might as well ask why Sir Chips has no influence. If rumours are true of Josh Kroenke wanting Henry involved with the club, you then must question how comes his own son has no influence.

Extend that question further down the pecking order and you can ask why Steve Bould has no influence over the players or manager.

[Marc Overmars]

Also, if Mustafi goes that's 2 of our 3 big signings from last summer out the door. I'm presuming Perez is going this week too, be it on loan or permanent.

A complete waste of 50m. I'm honestly not bothered if we sign anyone this week, how can anyone trust Wenger anymore?

[AFC Leveller]

Alexis has handed in a transfer request, according to reports.

Great player, genuine winner and modern day world class player. Will be missed.

[KSE Comedy Club]

Let's face it, we are well and truly fucked.

[Niall_Quinn]

Alexis has handed in a transfer request, according to reports.

Great player, genuine winner and modern day world class player. Will be missed.

Denied emphatically by the club.

So it's true.

[Niall_Quinn]

Let's face it, we are well and truly fucked.

Look, it is ideal as well you know.

[Marc Overmars]

The spirit in the dressing room must be absolutely rotten.

Wenger's philosophy is dead, players just don't buy into it anymore.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Read up on what attracted Kroenke to Arsenal. Wenger didn't cultivate a relationship with Stan. Stan was in love with Wenger from the very start and held him in high esteem before taking over.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/arsenal/8797931/Arsenal-owner-Stan-Kroenke-Arsene-Wenger-is-one-of-the-greats-he-will-be-in-charge-for-as-long-as-he-wants.html

You say the Chairman position is ornamental but have a hard time grasping that it's also the same case with the Chief Executive position.

How comes Ivan can't influence Stan? God knows. You might as well ask why Sir Chips has no influence. If rumours are true of Josh Kroenke wanting Henry involved with the club, you then must question how comes his own son has no influence.

Extend that question further down the pecking order and you can ask why Steve Bould has no influence over the players or manager.

That article seems to suggest very much that Wenger established a personal relationship with Kroenke. I'm sure Kroenke very much admired his achievements prior to becoming majority share holder but it also helps when your de facto boss is about as proactive as a monitor lizard.

And even if you're right about the chief executive being an ornamental position, that rather makes it even more plain that Gazidis should not be part of the post Wenger restructuring. If he's taken the job knowing that he will be chief executive in name only and more than happy to be in a job eight years without wielding any influence, what on earth makes you think he's suddenly going to be any good for us when Wenger goes.

If he knew he was ornamental and had no power it kind of makes him doubly stupid for coming out the way he did about the catalyst for change. That either he was spinning or was too stupid to see that Wenger would go above his head no matter what he tried to do.

No matter how you try and frame the Kroenke-Wenger dynamic, I can't see how Gazidis comes out of this looking like anything but a clown.

[The Emirates Gallactico]

Don't see what Alexis would have to gain from handing in an official transfer request at this point. It's been clear for ages to everyone that he wants to leave so it's not going to change squat. It'd be far more effective to his cause by putting in performances like he did yesterday instead.

[The Emirates Gallactico]

The spirit in the dressing room must be absolutely rotten.

Wenger's philosophy is dead, players just don't buy into it anymore.

Don't worry, the official Arsenal Youtube channel will put out a video of Theo & Iwobi doing some funny match commentary to suggest that everything is all right.

[Shaqiri Is Boss]

Twitter/journos/whatever now saying Monaco won't sell afterall, we haven't even put in a bid for Lemar yet anyway, we want either him or Oxlade, and Oxlade wants a move to us not Chelsea. :wacko:

[Master Splinter]

Don't worry, the official Arsenal Youtube channel will put out a video of Theo & Iwobi doing some funny match commentary to suggest that everything is all right.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIui-eKxAec

[Niall_Quinn]

Twitter/journos/whatever now saying Monaco won't sell afterall, we haven't even put in a bid for Lemar yet anyway, we want either him or Oxlade, and Oxlade wants a move to us not Chelsea. :wacko:

Pretty slick. He'll be the only Arsenal player that can say "we" played well on Sunday. I thought the deal with the chavs was agreed and he was having his medical tomorrow. He'd even done the secret chav fan bit in the papers. Not sure they could get a majority of scousers to buy into the Liverpool kit as a child routine if he swaps at this late stage.

[Master Splinter]

Twitter/journos/whatever now saying Monaco won't sell afterall, we haven't even put in a bid for Lemar yet anyway, we want either him or Oxlade, and Oxlade wants a move to us not Chelsea. :wacko:

You're inferring that the world of football journalism and it's even more sinister bastard child offspring of online, bite-sized social media hot-takes lacks any integrity and even less dignity?

[Niall_Quinn]

Twitter/journos/whatever now saying Monaco won't sell afterall, we haven't even put in a bid for Lemar yet anyway, we want either him or Oxlade, and Oxlade wants a move to us not Chelsea. :wacko:

As well, welcome to the Monaco negotiating table. They said they wanted 80 mill and you'd have to give them a big round of applause if they manage to get it.

[Niall_Quinn]

You're inferring that the world of football journalism and it's even more sinister bastard child offspring of online, bite-sized social media hot-takes lacks any integrity and even less dignity?

Agreed. There should be top top top dignity at all times as ravenous clubs and agents scuffle to pick at our carcass.

[Marc Overmars]

6 years today since the 8-2 spanking at Old Trafford. Not a whole lot of change since then really, we even have a better squad now and we're somehow worse off. Terrible, terrible manager. You know some fans were actually pleased he stayed on?

[Shaqiri Is Boss]

You're inferring that the world of football journalism and it's even more sinister bastard child offspring of online, bite-sized social media hot-takes lacks any integrity and even less dignity?

I guess I am.

And to top it off, 'Sky Sources' have appeared. :bow:

[Master Splinter]

BREAKING NEWS: Sky Sources cannot confirm whether they can confirm that the confirmation has occurred regarding the confirmed moon landing that may or may not be currently in the process of confirmation.

[Niall_Quinn]

BREAKING NEWS: Sky Sources cannot confirm whether they can confirm that the confirmation has occurred regarding the confirmed moon landing that may or may not be currently in the process of confirmation.

Moon landing was fake!

[The Emirates Gallactico]

DT's AFTV rant from yesterday is about to reach a million views.


At least someone is benefiting from our misery. :penguin:

[Özim]

Awful season last season followed by an awful summer with one lucky signing (Lacazette was only signed because Athletico were on a transfer ban, if not for that he wouldn't be here, the freebie was signed in Jan apparently), awful start to the new season, seemingly only interested in selling players, Gabriel, Mustafi, Ozil, Ox, Sanchez potentially all off and not even able to get rid of those we needed to get rid of, Gibbs, Debuchy, Wilshere, Walcott, Welbeck etc etc this is a disaster, Wenger is destroying this club.

[Master Splinter]

Moon landing was fake!

So was Ozil's purported football acumen!






























Boom Boom. Tbfh.

[Power n Glory]

That article seems to suggest very much that Wenger established a personal relationship with Kroenke. I'm sure Kroenke very much admired his achievements prior to becoming majority share holder but it also helps when your de facto boss is about as proactive as a monitor lizard.

And even if you're right about the chief executive being an ornamental position, that rather makes it even more plain that Gazidis should not be part of the post Wenger restructuring. If he's taken the job knowing that he will be chief executive in name only and more than happy to be in a job eight years without wielding any influence, what on earth makes you think he's suddenly going to be any good for us when Wenger goes.

If he knew he was ornamental and had no power it kind of makes him doubly stupid for coming out the way he did about the catalyst for change. That either he was spinning or was too stupid to see that Wenger would go above his head no matter what he tried to do.

No matter how you try and frame the Kroenke-Wenger dynamic, I can't see how Gazidis comes out of this looking like anything but a clown.

Admired his achievements? That's an understatement.
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You know something,” he says. “Arsène is one of my favourite people I have met in the last 20 years. He is a great person and I love the way he handles himself. I love his focus. He is a very intelligent guy. You can talk to him about anything and, when he starts talking to people, I really love to listen to him. He should hold seminars he is so good at it.
"I have tremendous confidence in him. He is one of the great managers in the world.” So could Wenger, under such scrutiny of late, go on to match Sir Alex Ferguson and potentially manage at Arsenal for another decade? Kroenke’s endorsement could hardly be more emphatic.

“With Arsène, it’s his decision and only he will know that,” he says.
“He still maintains himself in tremendous physical shape. You have to have stamina and energy. It’s an energy business. You are coaching, training, travelling and in stadiums packed with pressure. It’s almost like you are training like an athlete. Arsène has great energy and that will always be his decision.” Kroenke then reveals that he has been admiring Arsenal from afar for more than a decade.

“I have always been aware of Arsenal,” he says. “I would say it was about 10 or 12 years ago that I really started following Arsenal. I followed very closely the season when Arsenal went unbeaten. It was unbelievable. I went over to see several games when *Thierry Henry was still there.”
Kroenke also discloses a conversation involving Billy Beane, the famous baseball coach whose life story is the subject of bestselling book Moneyball and a new Hollywood film in which Brad Pitt plays the lead role.
“Billy Beane is a very famous guy in America,” Kroenke says. “And do you know who his idol is? Arsène Wenger. No kidding. You know why? His ability to spend money and extract value. That is what it is all about to be successful in pro sports.
“If you can do that better than other people, you are always going to be pretty good. Billy Beane’s idol is Arsène Wenger. Check it out.”

So Stan is on recording saying he's admired Wenger from afar for more than a decade (article written in 2011), Gazidis joined us in 2009, has no relationship with Stan and at a time where Wenger is considered god around the club because he built the stadium with his bare hands, you honestly think being more 'proactive' could somehow influenced Kroenke more than our golden goose Wenger? You can't be that daft, can you? It's take over a decade just to convince most of the people on GW that Wenger is the root cause of the problem and we follow Arsenal daily. Gazidis looks like a clown but does anyone really care? Everyone involved with the club is part of this circus act.

Also, I don't actually put much stock in the chief executive job. In modern football, I hear more about the relationship between the owners and the manager. If we actually had a good manager, we wouldn't even care who about the staff around the club.

[Niall_Quinn]

So was Ozil's purported football acumen!






























Boom Boom. Tbfh.

You are very close to hurting my feelings with your racist micro-agressions.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Do I think it's conceivable that had there been a more independent minded and competent chief executive who was in place before Kroenke became majority share holder who had spent years building a relationship with Kroenke they could have gone to him directly before the end of last season could have persuaded him not to have just blindly hand Wenger a new deal in light of the fact that arguably his ability to deliver for the club financially was under question (one of Wengers main selling points to Kroenke before he even met him)....yes I do think it's conceivable.

You realise don't you that Wenger is a bit different from ordinary managers in the level of responsibility he assumes at the club?

We don't have any kind of structure and a new manager is not going to want to put one in place, most of them are head coaches. Therefore who puts the structure in place?. It's going to be the chief executive isn't it....it's certainly not going to be Kroenke.

You're talking to me as an individual not as the hive mind for Goonersweb, I've made it clear how I've felt Wenger should go for six years.

I was well aware of Wenger having very little in the way of checks and balances on him, because we saw people like Dein, Fiszman and Edelman leave the club or in the case of Fiszman snuff it.

But Arsenal isn't a state owned entity and Wenger is not Nicolae Ceaucescu and this is not Steau Bucharest. He was allowed to take all that responsibility by men with no footballing knowledge who just wanted to defer their own responsibility and Gazidis is just another in a long line of people who are culpable in that respect.

But to your question who cares if Gazidis is a clown or not, well we all will once Wenger goes.

[Power n Glory]

I think that's kind of straightforward.

For all the shit we give Kroenke on here, he's not a stupid or ignorant man - you don't typically become that rich by being so. He knows full well that it's Wenger who's essentially built the modern day Arsenal and transformed the club into the global brand and powerhouse it is right and in the process has been the one responsible for making the shareholders obscenely rich. So bearing that in mind, Kroneke is clearly going to pay more heed and attention to Wenger's wishes rather than Gazidis' - he's been the money maker.

It's not that hard to understand. Wenger is the golden goose. When you hear the way Stan talked about extracting value from the market, you can see why he loves Wenger so much. If we're bought out by a guy that worships Wenger, it's going to a take a lot for the smoke to clear and see that he's lost a step. It's the same with Usmanov as well. With all his takeover bid talk, he hasn't got a bad word to say about Wenger and he lays the blame on all the people around Wenger running the club. So imagine if he took over the club? Wenger would keep his job and we'd probably see a few internal changes which would make no difference to what we're seeing now. So even campaigning for a new owner is pointless unless the owner is not smitten with Wenger and can see he has lost his touch.

[Niall_Quinn]

Spuds joining the chase for Lemar.

Utd have made enquiries to Alexis' representatives about a possible move. That's just Maureen rubbing salt I suppose.

[Power n Glory]

Do I think it's conceivable that had there been a more independent minded and competent chief executive who was in place before Kroenke became majority share holder who had spent years building a relationship with Kroenke they could have gone to him directly before the end of last season could have persuaded him not to have just blindly hand Wenger a new deal in light of the fact that arguably his ability to deliver for the club financially was under question (one of Wengers main selling points to Kroenke before he even met him)....yes I do think it's conceivable.

You realise don't you that Wenger is a bit different from ordinary managers in the level of responsibility he assumes at the club?

We don't have any kind of structure and a new manager is not going to want to put one in place, most of them are head coaches. Therefore who puts the structure in place?. It's going to be the chief executive isn't it....it's certainly not going to be Kroenke.

You're talking to me as an individual not as the hive mind for Goonersweb, I've made it clear how I've felt Wenger should go for six years.

I was well aware of Wenger having very little in the way of checks and balances on him, because we saw people like Dein, Fiszman and Edelman leave the club or in the case of Fiszman snuff it.

But Arsenal isn't a state owned entity and Wenger is not Nicolae Ceaucescu and this is not Steau Bucharest. He was allowed to take all that responsibility by men with no footballing knowledge who just wanted to defer their own responsibility and Gazidis is just another in a long line of people who are culpable in that respect.

But to your question who cares if Gazidis is a clown or not, well we all will once Wenger goes.

This is a pointless debate. We started this conversation because of what's been said on Le Grove and Arseblog about Gazidis trying to make a power move. It obviously looks like it has failed, but it looks like there was an attempt and the owner was having none of it.


We don't have any kind of structure and a new manager is not going to want to put one in place, most of them are head coaches. Therefore who puts the structure in place?. It's going to be the chief executive isn't it....it's certainly not going to be Kroenke.

This is where you have to connect the dots when rumours of a Director of Football started circulating and Wenger shooting the idea down. You've got a bad memory because we've had this discussion before about structural changes. From the appointment of Jonker as new Youth Academy coach, to the new medical staff members, scouts and even a new lawyer and the introduction of new tech like the GPS vests, StatDNA . Those are structural changes coming from Gazidis, along with the new sponsorship deals. But it doesn't make a difference if the manager fails to utilise what he's given.

GPS vests in training say our players are in the red zone and close to breaking down....Wenger keeps playing them regardless. £200m to spend in the transfer window....Wenger comes back with a profit instead of spending what's given. The man resists change. We'll see how this develops but we'll probably here more about what's going on behind the scenes.

[Niall_Quinn]

What are you two on about? Does any of this have anything to do with transfers?

Here we are on the verge of signing Mbappe, Arsenio, Lemar, Van Djik, Draxler and Jonny Evans signing and you two are banging on about fantasy stuff.

[hobson's choice]

What are you two on about? Does any of this have anything to do with transfers?

Here we are on the verge of signing Mbappe, Arsenio, Lemar, Van Djik, Draxler and Jonny Evans signing and you two are banging on about fantasy stuff.

Don't forget we still Ramsey, the greatest footballer ever

[selassie]

6 years today since the 8-2 spanking at Old Trafford. Not a whole lot of change since then really, we even have a better squad now and we're somehow worse off. Terrible, terrible manager. You know some fans were actually pleased he stayed on?

Wenger is like a washed up retired ex boxing champion who steps into the ring with a current world champion and offers to take him on blindfolded with both his hands tied behind his back.

On a serious note I have no idea how he judges his own current performance if he does that at all? The fact that he had to go grovelling & pleading to the owner to extend his contract says as much about how much he rates his ability as it does the state of the leadership of our club.

[Power n Glory]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-4831194/Inside-Arsenal-s-broken-dressing-room.html


Inside Arsenal's broken dressing room: Arsene Wenger stays silent after Liverpool debacle while angry players moan that training never changes

Arsenal suffered a demoralising 4-0 defeat at the hands of Liverpool at Anfield
The Gunners have lost back-to-back games and sit 16th in the Premier League
Pressure is building on Arsene Wenger after number of fans walked out


Another defeat, another virtually silent dressing room. If there was ever a time to air some home truths then Anfield’s away facilities at around 6pm on Sunday was it.

Petr Cech is understood to have had a few choice words to say — but by and large, yet again, it was a morgue. Lifeless. The biggest apology arrived on social media by Mesut Ozil. It’s easier that way.

The players do care. They’ve clashed in the dressing room before, particularly after their humiliating 5-1 loss at Bayern Munich in February.

But their manager’s reluctance to engage in confrontation has seemingly rubbed off on Arsenal’s underperforming stars.

Arsene Wenger was within his rights to unleash hell after the 4-0 defeat by Liverpool. But he didn’t, instead choosing to bottle up his feelings and retreat into the international break.

To his players and staff, however, it was not surprising.

This summer was supposed to be the time for change at the Emirates. But those behind the scenes say nothing has really altered.

Yes, there have been some new appointments. Jens Lehmann has joined the coaching staff, and Darren Burgess has become the head of high performance. Tony Colbert, a long-term Wenger aide, has joined the technical staff despite having a background in fitness coaching.

But all staff appointments go through Wenger. And despite the change in faces, the club’s training sessions — on the pitch and off it — are largely the same, much to the players’ disapproval. They have been going through the same old routine for years. No wonder they are producing the same old results.

Lehmann’s training field duties are unclear, and assistant manager Steve Bould’s input in training is understood to be minimal. Wenger remains king and his crown is not slipping.

Players feared as much when the 67-year-old signed his new two-year deal at the end of last season. Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain’s determination to leave speaks volumes. Arsenal have offered him a contract worth £180,000 a week, yet he is still keen to leave this week, with London rivals Chelsea the likely destination. The chances of him earning more elsewhere seem remote. What does that tell you?

Alexis Sanchez wants out, too. Sportsmail understands his representatives have now told Arsenal officials that the striker will not sign a new deal under any circumstances. Arsenal have offered him £300,000 a week.

Even those players who aren’t actively seeking moves fear Arsenal will only rediscover their glory days once Wenger leaves.

That’s not to say those disgruntled players don’t have respect for their manager. They do. But they no longer believe the Frenchman will make the changes necessary to put Arsenal back on track.

The Gunners have three days to strengthen their squad, but the focus is on selling players.

Shkodran Mustafi and Lucas Perez could yet leave for Inter Milan and Deportivo, respectively. How can over £50million worth of talent be deemed surplus to requirements just a year after they signed?

Similarly, why did Wenger drop £52m record signing Alexandre Lacazette for Sunday’s shambolic effort at Anfield? It’s a decision that left his team-mates scratching their heads.

It is conceivable that Arsenal will finish the summer transfer window having recouped more than they have spent.

Perhaps things might improve. The club’s transfer fixer Dick Law is almost certain to leave before next summer, with former Team Sky contract guru Huss Fahmy, who joined the club in June, set to lead player negotiations.

But many at the club believe only one change will finally spark a true switch in direction.

The Arsenal board were split over whether Wenger should have been allowed to sign a new deal over the summer.

But majority shareholder Stan Kroenke holds the cards and he’s pro-Wenger. Very pro-Wenger. But there’ll be a few ‘I told you so’ faces around him right now.

Kroenke will back his manager for now but he’ll be taking a keener interest than ever given the restlessness from supporters and those on the board.

Arsenal sacking Wenger remains an unthinkable concept. But another season without Champions League football, and Kroenke could have a question to answer.

What a joke. You can only hope Wenger was offered a new contract under certain conditions. 3 games in and it looks like a complete mess. Despite moving a few pawns on the chessboard, we're seeing the same process.

[Gooner23]

All so very predictable.

[Niall_Quinn]

Klopp, the man our gutless and incomprehensibly greedy owners never even glanced at when he left Dortmund, is ready to spend big at the tail end of the transfer window to take full advantage of the momentum he is generating at Liverpool. He's the perfect opposite of the old fool we have running our club. Wenger treats momentum like a life and death game of whackamole. Wherever the curse of momentum surfaces, Wenger goes full guns to destroy it, even when he's forced into public displays of insanity.

Lacazette is just the latest example in a chain of catastrophic decisions stretching back a decade. You spend 44 million of the club's money on France's top scoring striker, your signing puts in a couple of competent performances as he finds his feet in a new league. Lacazette seemed to be settling well and is one of the few players that won't have had a chance to get fed up of Wenger yet. His confidence and enthusiasm would have been high. How has Wenger countered this?

In the Stoke game he subbed him when we needed a goal. And in the first game against supposed title rivals (don't laugh) he benches him and, when he eventually brings him on, sticks him on the left. Mission accomplished. Lacazette will likely be feeling as shitty and confused as everyone else at the club.

Oh and Wenger did the same with Kolasinac. The fans were liking what they saw so Wenger stomped all over that.

Momentum. His mortal enemy.

[Marc Overmars]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-4831194/Inside-Arsenal-s-broken-dressing-room.html


What a joke. You can only hope Wenger was offered a new contract under certain conditions. 3 games in and it looks like a complete mess. Despite moving a few pawns on the chessboard, we're seeing the same process.

They can make as many minor changes as they want, but as long as Wenger is king the changes will never be profound enough to make a difference. I'm not surprised at all with how the season has started, I bet half the squad were on the phone to their agents when they found out Wenger was here for another 2 years.

[Marc Overmars]

John Cross has said City will offer cash plus Raheem Sterling for Alexis. :lol:

[Niall_Quinn]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-4831194/Inside-Arsenal-s-broken-dressing-room.html


What a joke. You can only hope Wenger was offered a new contract under certain conditions. 3 games in and it looks like a complete mess. Despite moving a few pawns on the chessboard, we're seeing the same process.

Has there ever been a more compelling and legitimate case in the history of the game to sack a manager? It's really hard to find adequate words now to describe how utterly insane this situation is. Just how long can it go on? How far can the madness be pushed?

Apparently Kroenke phoned Wenger last night to offer him his full support. It's almost as if Kroenke has some personal vendetta against Arsenal and is resolved to destroying the club and it's legacy at every level with no stone left unexploded.

Kroenke, the worst owner conceivable. Arsene Wenger, the worst manager in world football - and people laughed at that and said it was an exaggeration. Really? Name a single manager more hopelessly out of his depth.

And we have both of them here at the club. And neither thinks there's a problem, or at least both think all problems can be remedied by Wenger's genius. Best man for the job, apparently. Gazidis, another superstar, said so.

Wow. We are in deep deep shit and we walked right into it in slow motion after a 10 year journey on which every landmark was identical. There couldn't have been more warning signs. All ignored.

[Niall_Quinn]

John Cross has said City will offer cash plus Raheem Sterling for Alexis. :lol:

Bastards are just taking the piss out of us now. Not enough to take our best player but they dump Sterling on us too? I doubt that's legal.

[Power n Glory]

They can make as many minor changes as they want, but as long as Wenger is king the changes will never be profound enough to make a difference. I'm not surprised at all with how the season has started, I bet half the squad were on the phone to their agents when they found out Wenger was here for another 2 years.

The crown has to fall and he has to be knocked off his pedestal. He’s been living off reputation for a long time with everyone around him thinking he’s a genius. It’s taken a while to get the sort of outpouring we’ve seen online, it’s filtering through to the stadium and being expressed openly, the pundits are finally catching on and I’ve just seen Ian Wright say he has to go….the only reason he’s still in the job is because the people that still hold him in high regard think he’s a victim of circumstance. Once the veil falls and he’s exposed, we’ll see if Kroenke has the sense to move him on.

[Munchies]

Like fuck Sterling would want to come to us :haha:

[Gooner23]

The atmosphere is going to be really poisonous this season (even more so than last year), such an unhealthy situation for all involved. Yet Wenger will just bury his head further into the sand and use the fan unrest as an excuse for his team not performing.

I think most Arsenal fans were disgusted at the decision to renew his contract. Three games in and it's fully justified. What a mess we're in.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

The crown has to fall and he has to be knocked off his pedestal. He’s been living off reputation for a long time with everyone around him thinking he’s a genius. It’s taken a while to get the sort of outpouring we’ve seen online, it’s filtering through to the stadium and being expressed openly, the pundits are finally catching on and I’ve just seen Ian Wright say he has to go….the only reason he’s still in the job is because the people that still hold him in high regard think he’s a victim of circumstance. Once the veil falls and he’s exposed, we’ll see if Kroenke has the sense to move him on.

In addition to what you've said. I also don't think you can entirely rule out Wenger jumping before he's pushed even with the way he went about getting his contract.

I think last season there was a question as to whether he'd lost the dressing room. And ultimately I don't think he had. With Mustafi joining Ox, Ozil and Sanchez in wanting to go.....I think there comes a point where even the most selfish and bubble dwelling individuals thinks the money they earn isn't enough to be somewhere where the knives are out for you everywhere.

This situation is just as unprecedented for Wenger as it is for many of us. You heard him whine in May about how disrespectfully he was treated, so whether he acknowledges he is in the wrong or not. It sounds like it does get to him.

[dostoy]

I think it will be Ox, Ozil, and Sanchez who leave and maybe Mustafi.

Why would anybody who is any good want to some here ?

Relegation beckons.

[AFC Leveller]

Sterling is just like Walcott...just without the goals. a fast non footballer who runs around like a headless chicken.

[AFC Leveller]

Bastards are just taking the piss out of us now. Not enough to take our best player but they dump Sterling on us too? I doubt that's legal.

But if you think about the money side of things, it makes total sense. 35m for Ox + 70m for Alexis (we paid a combined 50m for both) is great business for Kroenke.

[Letters]

Relegation beckons.
Oh do stop being silly.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

But if you think about the money side of things, it makes total sense. 35m for Ox + 70m for Alexis (we paid a combined 50m for both) is great business for Kroenke.

The guy operates in billions so that's chump change. It's hardly going to see the share values up drastically which is Kroenkes key motivation as an investor.

[AFC Leveller]

The guy operates in billions so that's chump change. It's hardly going to see the share values up drastically which is Kroenkes key motivation as an investor.

look after the penny, the pound will look after itself.

[Niall_Quinn]

Sterling is just like Walcott...just without the goals. a fast non footballer who runs around like a headless chicken.

I can't agree. He's nowhere near as good as you make him out to be. Don't want that pubber anywhere near the place. We already have enough frustration to deal with.

[Niall_Quinn]

The guy operates in billions so that's chump change. It's hardly going to see the share values up drastically which is Kroenkes key motivation as an investor.

Glowing P&L plus a shiny balance sheet. Huge amounts of money pouring in every season and Smaug's treasure mountain lodged at the bank. It can't hurt the share price.

[Niall_Quinn]

Oh do stop being silly.

We have reached a point where nothing should be assumed or dismissed. This is a club in collapse, in terms of the football, and with a manager who stands no chance whatsoever of handling the huge challenges we are facing over the next 12 months. We've seen the chavs plunge towards the relegation zone as the poison seeped into their dressing room. It's not inconceivable. Highly unlikely, but only because there's so much at stake financially. But if Wenger stays on, the real silliness would be to write off any possibility under this guy. Other than competing for the title, of course.

[Marc Overmars]

Probably bullshit but there's a rumour that we want Aguero in return if City are serious about Alexis.

Now that would be a decent fix on short notice.

[Niall_Quinn]

Probably bullshit but there's a rumour that we want Aguero in return if City are serious about Alexis.

Now that would be a decent fix on short notice.

It must be Aguero's dream to come and play here.

[Niall_Quinn]

Gibbs to WBA for 7 mill is the latest smoking hot Arsenal transfer news.

Also, Perez on the way out as expected.

I wonder, might it have been better to get these deals done early rather than leave them until the end of the window? Just a random thought.

[Munchies]

Linked to Jonny Evans now

He'll cost us 30m+ at this rate

[Niall_Quinn]

Linked to Jonny Evans now

He'll cost us 30m+ at this rate

Don't be so hasty young hobbit. We began enquiries a couple of weeks back, so I expect us to put in a bid some time around the summer of 2019 and then announce in 2020 we almost signed him.

[Thierrymon]

Linked to Jonny Evans now

He'll cost us 30m+ at this rate

:ilt:

[Niall_Quinn]

:ilt:

I think you are forgetting, he is top top top top qualiteeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.

[Marc Overmars]

Gibbs rejects an offer from Watford. Fee was agreed between the clubs.

Another one with big contract we can't get rid of. :doh:

[Niall_Quinn]

Alexis has asked for permission to leave the Chile training camp so he can finalise his move to the gypos.

In some ways - predictable. In others - depressingly predictable.

Nasri will not be sold. van Persie will not be sold. Alexis will not be sold.

SALE!!!!! Everything must go!

Once Alexis has gone there will be nothing worth watching at this club.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

The most amusing thing is that you will get Wenger supporters trying to spin this as a reaction to Sunday

[Niall_Quinn]

Gibbs rejects an offer from Watford. Fee was agreed between the clubs.

Another one with big contract we can't get rid of. :doh:

Would be great if we could tempt Gibbs and Debuchy to stay and wheel out their wages every week in return for doing fuck all.

[dostoy]

I want to see complete and absolute incompetence severely punished.

I hope Arsenal finish 16th or 17th this season, it is the ONLY way to get Wenger out.

I hope you can see I am being cruel to be kind.

[Niall_Quinn]

The most amusing thing is that you will get Wenger supporters trying to spin this as a reaction to Sunday

Wenger supporters? Would be easier to type Ty and Neville.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Wenger supporters? Would be easier to type Ty and Neville.

If they were the only ones left it would

Unfortunately they arent

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

I want to see complete and absolute incompetence severely punished.

I hope Arsenal finish 16th or 17th this season, it is the ONLY way to get Wenger out.

I hope you can see I am being cruel to be kind.

You don't know what cruelty is

Cruelty would be fans holding Wenger down and making him watch a film of footage of people getting out of taxis and telling the driver to "keep the change".

"But they did not even come in with a lower offer to get to their destination before deciding to walk"

[Niall_Quinn]

Rumours starting to do the rounds that Billericay Town's wonderkid Jamie O'Hara has turned down a proposed 35 million move to the Emirates. Apparently he complained Wenger's trolley was cramped and the whole affair was beyond undignified.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Rumours starting to do the rounds that Billericay Town's wonderkid Jamie O'Hara has turned down a proposed 35 million move to the Emirates. Apparently he complained Wenger's trolley was cramped and the whole affair was beyond undignified.

Clearly you've never been to Billericay. Why would anyone want to leave

[Niall_Quinn]

Clearly you've never been to Billericay. Why would anyone want to leave

Chequers on a Saturday night? Yeah, I've been. But I made it out.

Meanwhile:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gSFEaI4HdA

LOL

And we'll be here in 4 years doing the latest batch of re-runs.

[Power n Glory]

I see Le Grove is still trying to suggest Gazidis is some kind of Svengali who has big ambitions for the club and he is being hampered by Kroenke and Wenger.

Come off it, after all his bullshit in April the guy clearly has no self respect and was trying to deflect criticism from himself. Whether he wanted Wenger gone or not is immaterial he's the chief executive if he has absolutely no clout and yet tries to spin that Wenger was the best avaliable option for the club shows exactly what he is. Let's not forget he was around before Kroenke and he oversaw Wengers power grab.

Worth listening to the Arseblog Podcast. I agree with what James had to say on this issue.

[Power n Glory]

Finally, Arseblog is openly saying the manager needs to be sacked!

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Chequers on a Saturday night? Yeah, I've been. But I made it out.

Meanwhile:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gSFEaI4HdA

LOL

And we'll be here in 4 years doing the latest batch of re-runs.

You were allowed to leave!

I'm not even sure it's called the chequers anymore

I was in the blue boar yesterday, the rationale was that it was the only pub garden that wasn't packed out

I was right.

[Özim]

Gibbs rejects an offer from Watford. Fee was agreed between the clubs.

Another one with big contract we can't get rid of. :doh:

What a mess.

This guy would rather pick up a big pay packet than play, unbelievable, never rated the guy hopeless defender who can't cross for toffee now we can't even get rid of him. Thanks Wenger

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

What a mess.

This guy would rather pick up a big pay packet than play, unbelievable, never rated the guy hopeless defender who can't cross for toffee now we can't even get rid of him. Thanks Wenger

He's gonna be on about 70-80k a week with us, it's unlikely Watford offered him half that

How's he going to pay for the Chang and the new Yacht? You don't have answer for that.

[Xhaka Can’t]

Oh do stop being silly.

It's far fetched, unlikely, but far from silly.

[Letters]

Seems like a pretty big over-reaction but I take (the other) NQ's point that Chelsea showed what a good squad can do (or not do) when they lose faith in a manager.
Difference is, the board removed the problem, ours may well not.
What a mess
:ilt:

[McNamara That Ghost...]

John Cross has said City will offer cash plus Raheem Sterling for Alexis. :lol:

We sure it's not just as a cash in sterling deal?

[Niall_Quinn]

He's gonna be on about 70-80k a week with us, it's unlikely Watford offered him half that

How's he going to pay for the Chang and the new Yacht? You don't have answer for that.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/08/29/09/43ABB7F500000578-0-image-a-4_1503995771648.jpg

Ouch!

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

http://le-grove.co.uk/2017/08/29/disingenuous-myths-of-wenger-cash-woes-exposed-point-by-point/#more-23534


Very little to disagree with here.

[Niall_Quinn]

Let's just say that we did swap Alexis Sanchez for Raheem fucking Sterling. The gypos have denied this offer was made btw.

That's swapping one of the world's premier talents for a Theo Walcott clone that has the finishing power of Danny Welbeck.

No manager in their right mind would condone such nonsense. But we have Wenger.

[The Emirates Gallactico]

Finally, Arseblog is openly saying the manager needs to be sacked!

I think he said he preferred that Wenger didn't sign a new contract last year but this is definitely the most vocal and loud he's been about openly asking for the removal of the manager and the owner. Given that he's the most prominent and influential blogger around and someone who the club sometimes uses to spread their PR line, it's a major scalp.

Heck even GeoffArsenal who was the leader of the AKB's and the biggest Arsene apologist around think he needs to go. And I've seen plenty of other formerly Wenger supporters turn on him as well. It's really a new era at this point.

As NQ said, it's basically just Ty and Neville at this point ..... which as I said earlier is good. No more of the bitter infighting anymore between the fans, we're at least nearly all broadly united on this issue. It's now a matter of whether we're motivated and organised enough to force change.

For all we laugh at Liverpool fans on here, they are least were passionate and dedicated to doing what it took to get their own poisonous owners (H&G) out ..... e.g. sending emails to banks to stop them refinancing the club, regular protests, heckling board members at every opportunity etc etc

[Niall_Quinn]

http://le-grove.co.uk/2017/08/29/disingenuous-myths-of-wenger-cash-woes-exposed-point-by-point/#more-23534


Very little to disagree with here.

Yes. The "Wenger hung out to dry by the board" balloon is being floated by some media and pundits. One last great favour to their icon?

[Power n Glory]

Let's just say that we did swap Alexis Sanchez for Raheem fucking Sterling. The gypos have denied this offer was made btw.

That's swapping one of the world's premier talents for a Theo Walcott clone that has the finishing power of Danny Welbeck.

No manager in their right mind would condone such nonsense. But we have Wenger.

You're taking the piss. :lol: Sterling can at least score 10 goals a season consistently. Welbeck is utter dog shite. He's yet to score 10 goals for us in a season.

But seriously, it doesn't matter. Just sell Alexis, sell Ozil, sell Perez, Mustafi and whoever else wants out so he can push a new excuse about why we've failed instead of hanging on to squad uncertainty derailing our season. Whoever he brings in will flop.

[Power n Glory]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/08/29/09/43ABB7F500000578-0-image-a-4_1503995771648.jpg

Ouch!


Looking like a school tutor helping his pupils study for an exam.

They all got Fs!

Specialist of Failure.

[Niall_Quinn]

You're taking the piss. :lol: Sterling can at least score 10 goals a season consistently. Welbeck is utter dog shite. He's yet to score 10 goals for us in a season.

But seriously, it doesn't matter. Just sell Alexis, sell Ozil, sell Perez, Mustafi and whoever else wants out so he can push a new excuse about why we've failed instead of hanging on to squad uncertainty derailing our season. Whoever he brings in will flop.

Sterling is currently playing in a team that insists he face the opposition goal and run in that direction. If he came here he'd be back to goal, tapping it 5 yards. He'd never have to run again. His primary purpose would be to renegotiate his contract. That would be the only goal he'd bag.

[Marc Overmars]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/08/29/09/43ABB7F500000578-0-image-a-4_1503995771648.jpg

Ouch!

The British core. :bow:

All of them, shite.

[Niall_Quinn]

The British core. :bow:

All of them, shite.

Theo must have still been negotiating at that point.

[AFC Leveller]

According to the Dailymail, Wenger has asked for Aguero in return for Sanchez.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

According to the Dailymail, Wenger has asked for Aguero in return for Sanchez.

My made up shit is better than yours

Especially if I say my sources are reporting it

[fakeyank]

Why arent we shipping off Walcott and/or Welbeck, and keeping Perez?! Perez has shown more quality in his matches at Arsenal than those 2 have shown in their entire career.

[AFC Leveller]

Why arent we shipping off Walcott and/or Welbeck, and keeping Perez?! Perez has shown more quality in his matches at Arsenal than those 2 have shown in their entire career.

agree, Wenger is destryong players confidence. Walcott should have been sold years ago.

[Niall_Quinn]

Why arent we shipping off Walcott and/or Welbeck, and keeping Perez?! Perez has shown more quality in his matches at Arsenal than those 2 have shown in their entire career.

Perez little bit hates Wenger's guts.

[The Emirates Gallactico]

tbh Sterling is 22, whilst Alexis will be 29 in December and we all know is gone in July regardless. It may not be the worst deal in the world especially if Alexis is going to put in performances like he did on Sunday for the rest of the season.

We could at least build with Sterling providing we got a competent manager in.

[The Emirates Gallactico]

Gibbs apparently rejected a 7 million move to Watford. :rolleyes:

Another cunt that's prepared to stick around and pick up his big wages here.


Why arent we shipping off Walcott and/or Welbeck, and keeping Perez?! Perez has shown more quality in his matches at Arsenal than those 2 have shown in their entire career.

Because no one else is dumb enough to offer Theo 140 k a week - this is what happens when you stockpile dross on high wages ..... you struggle to get rid of them even if you want to and are prepared to take cut priced bids!!!

[Power n Glory]

I think he said he preferred that Wenger didn't sign a new contract last year but this is definitely the most vocal and loud he's been about openly asking for the removal of the manager and the owner. Given that he's the most prominent and influential blogger around and someone who the club sometimes uses to spread their PR line, it's a major scalp.

Heck even GeoffArsenal who was the leader of the AKB's and the biggest Arsene apologist around think he needs to go. And I've seen plenty of other formerly Wenger supporters turn on him as well. It's really a new era at this point.

As NQ said, it's basically just Ty and Neville at this point ..... which as I said earlier is good. No more of the bitter infighting anymore between the fans, we're at least nearly all broadly united on this issue. It's now a matter of whether we're motivated and organised enough to force change.

For all we laugh at Liverpool fans on here, they are least were passionate and dedicated to doing what it took to get their own poisonous owners (H&G) out ..... e.g. sending emails to banks to stop them refinancing the club, regular protests, heckling board members at every opportunity etc etc

I think James hit on a good point about the fans staying vocal and not becoming passive. I’ve been saying that we should disengage from Arsenal and see if a loss in revenue sparks a change but that would probably take years to achieve crippling the club in the process. I don’t see a way back if it gets to that point. I’m still holding out hope that he gets sacked or walks from his new contract. But it’s hard. Felt like a huge waste of time watching that Liverpool game and not sure how much more I can take.

[Niall_Quinn]

tbh Sterling is 22, whilst Alexis will be 29 in December and we all know is gone in July regardless. It may not be the worst deal in the world especially if Alexis is going to put in performances like he did on Sunday for the rest of the season.

We could at least build with Sterling providing we got a competent manager in.

The one tiny flaw in your plan.

[Power n Glory]

agree, Wenger is destryong players confidence. Walcott should have been sold years ago.

I give Ox more credit than Walcott because he had the balls to look elsewhere and realise his career was going nowhere. Walcott has committed career suicide. On £140k a week and he has no idea whether he’s a winger or striker. Wenger crafted out some custom made ‘wide forward’ position that doesn’t exist anywhere else. It doesn’t even exist here at Arsenal and now warms a bench.

[AFC Leveller]

Le Grove wrote an excellent piece today, really informative and sums up everything.

Wenger has simply got to go.

[The Emirates Gallactico]

I think James hit on a good point about the fans staying vocal and not becoming passive. I’ve been saying that we should disengage from Arsenal and see if a loss in revenue sparks a change but that would probably take years to achieve crippling the club in the process. I don’t see a way back if it gets to that point. I’m still holding out hope that he gets sacked or walks from his new contract. But it’s hard. Felt like a huge waste of time watching that Liverpool game and not sure how much more I can take.

I completely agree with James - apathy and passivity from the fans will only make things worse. It's like in politics, apathy only emboldens the cunts at the top to rubber stamp their agenda in the knowledge that there's going to be no pushback.

You want to know what's even more depressing about the entire situation - more than the manager and owner? The number of fans I've heard say online say they're just going to stop watching games or taking any interest in the club until Wenger is gone. Heck we even had @Dostoy in the match thread ask us why we were still watching matches. That's completely the wrong approach to take.

I know GW is a really small community these days, but I urge everyone of you to always stay active following the club and instead to protest directly - banners, planes, strongly worded letters, whatever etc etc ........... and whenever you hear a mate or someone else say they're going to stop taking interest plead with them not to and instead engage to try and make a difference.

[Niall_Quinn]

I completely agree with James - apathy and passivity from the fans will only make things worse. It's like in politics, apathy only emboldens the cunts at the top to rubber stamp their agenda in the knowledge that there's going to be no pushback.

You want to know what's even more depressing about the entire situation - more than the manager and owner? The number of fans I've heard say online say they're just going to stop watching games or taking any interest in the club until Wenger is gone. Heck we even had @Dostoy in the match thread ask us why we were still watching matches. That's completely the wrong approach to take.

I know GW is a really small community these days, but I urge everyone of you to always stay active following the club and instead to protest directly - banners, planes, strongly worded letters, whatever etc etc ........... and whenever you hear a mate or someone else say they're going to stop taking interest plead with them not to and instead engage to try and make a difference.

Those bastards know very well that fans won't stop watching or engaging. That's why modern football is such a coveted investment, captive audience, fanatical commitment to brand, total aversion to brand switching, even the eye watering prices don't diminish the demand.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Of course passivity is a problem because it's taken as tacit approval

However. I'm not prepared to pay out of my own pocket to go to games to protest so I can't really expect anyone else to. It's like how Oscar Wilde describes socialism....takes too many evenings.

Apathy is a problem for sure, but I can't blame people for being apathetic

[AFC Leveller]

Now Ornstein is reporting the Sterling/Sanchez swap deal.

[Power n Glory]

I completely agree with James - apathy and passivity from the fans will only make things worse. It's like in politics, apathy only emboldens the cunts at the top to rubber stamp their agenda in the knowledge that there's going to be no pushback.

You want to know what's even more depressing about the entire situation - more than the manager and owner? The number of fans I've heard say online say they're just going to stop watching games or taking any interest in the club until Wenger is gone. Heck we even had @Dostoy in the match thread ask us why we were still watching matches. That's completely the wrong approach to take.

I know GW is a really small community these days, but I urge everyone of you to always stay active following the club and instead to protest directly - banners, planes, strongly worded letters, whatever etc etc ........... and whenever you hear a mate or someone else say they're going to stop taking interest plead with them not to and instead engage to try and make a difference.

Graffiti has always had it's place when dictators run wild. :lol: You're not alone in not being against this sort of thing.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/4340532/arsenal-news-emirates-stadium-vandalised-liverpool/

[Niall_Quinn]

Graffiti has always had it's place when dictators run wild. :lol: You're not alone in not being against this sort of thing.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/4340532/arsenal-news-emirates-stadium-vandalised-liverpool/

Arsenal will invest more in cleaning it up than they do in the transfer window. Priorities.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Graffiti has always had it's place when dictators run wild. :lol: You're not alone in not being against this sort of thing.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/4340532/arsenal-news-emirates-stadium-vandalised-liverpool/

Was the G and E in Wenger a deliberate attempt at Cursive?

[The Emirates Gallactico]

Le Grove wrote an excellent piece today, really informative and sums up everything.

Wenger has simply got to go.

I read it and whilst I generally agree with his diagnosis of the problems it's kind of staggering that he doesn't place any blame on Kroenke and his lack of interest and instead puts it squarely 100% on Wenger.

I know he's had an agenda for a long time against Wenger even when we weren't the clown show we are now ...... but does he not realise it's Kroneke absenteeism that allows Wenger to run the club unchecked and ungoverned?



Those bastards know very well that fans won't stop watching or engaging. That's why modern football is such a coveted investment, captive audience, fanatical commitment to brand, total aversion to brand switching, even the eye watering prices don't diminish the demand.

Total football fans won't but Arsenal football fans may. And as you said in an earlier post, the TV money will keep coming in regardless if less Arsenal fans are watching their games because it's locked in and isn't determined by league position.

Probably the only problem with the collective TV deal.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

I read it and whilst I generally agree with his diagnosis of the problems it's kind of staggering that he doesn't place any blame on Kroenke and his lack of interest and instead puts it squarely 100% on Wenger.

I know he's had an agenda for a long time against Wenger even when we weren't the clown show we are now ...... but does he not realise it's Kroneke absenteeism that allows Wenger to run the club unchecked and ungoverned?




Total football fans won't but Arsenal football fans may. And as you said in an earlier post, the TV money will keep coming in regardless if less Arsenal fans are watching their games because it's locked in and isn't determined by league position.

Probably the only problem with the collective TV deal.

I think in fairness he's merely answering the accusation that Kroenke is stopping Wenger from buying

[hobson's choice]

Now Ornstein is reporting the Sterling/Sanchez swap deal.

So we swap one player who doesn't want to be here, for another player who doesn't want to come here.

Only at Arsenal

[AFC Leveller]

Sterling is reportedly keen on returning to London.

[Gooner23]

Jonny Evans :lol:

[The Emirates Gallactico]

Jonny Evans :lol:

Kind of staggering that us and City are linked with him when you have a wantaway Van Dijk at Southampton who's miles a better player.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Now Ornstein is reporting the Sterling/Sanchez swap deal.

He has said that City have no interest in offering a player as part of the deal

[Power n Glory]

I read it and whilst I generally agree with his diagnosis of the problems it's kind of staggering that he doesn't place any blame on Kroenke and his lack of interest and instead puts it squarely 100% on Wenger.

I know he's had an agenda for a long time against Wenger even when we weren't the clown show we are now ...... but does he not realise it's Kroneke absenteeism that allows Wenger to run the club unchecked and ungoverned?




Total football fans won't but Arsenal football fans may. And as you said in an earlier post, the TV money will keep coming in regardless if less Arsenal fans are watching their games because it's locked in and isn't determined by league position.

Probably the only problem with the collective TV deal.

I get where Le Grove is coming from with the focus on Wenger. The Cult of Wenger is strong with many believing he can do no wrong. They still believe that if we put the right pieces around him, he’d turn water into wine. That’s what previous Board members thought before cashing out and that’s the current owner thinks.

We could change owners tomorrow and still have the same problems if they the new owners can’t see that Wenger is passed it. Think of Usmanov. He’s never criticised and he’s supposed to be close to David Dein. Kroenke was close to David Dein. If Usmanov were to takeover or if we were able to bring Dein back in some capacity, would they sack Wenger? I doubt it. It would just extend his life at the club and give the fans false hope of something changing.

Wenger’s reputation needs to take a battering and we need to hope that Kroenke gets the message. What happens after that and who they appoint….God knows. But if we appoint someone with a good reputation because I doubt these guys have enough knowledge about football to discover some hidden talent coaching in Mongolia, I think we’d be ok. As long as the owner gives the new manager access to the funds we generate, we might end up ok. I hope.

[The Emirates Gallactico]

From GeoffArsenal who's a legitimate ITK

https://twitter.com/GeoffArsenal/status/902456164314644480



There was a meeting yesterday. There are players that'l be sold. He only wants to keep the players that 100% want to play for The Arsenal. >
There are players that clearly don't appreciate what it is to play or have not met the standards to play for The Arsenal. Busy week?
Told he has replacements shortlisted for the outgoing players. It has been coming. I think we all know what players. I'm 100% behind it.
The attitude & performance at Lpool was the last straw for some players.


:rolleyes:

[Özim]

Evans would be another Welbeck, Silvestre type signing, no thanks on all levels!

[Özim]

Prepare for another panic buying session, you can bet your bottom dollar we have no plan, we just use pot luck, we just go for whats left.

[Özim]

Incidentally we knew months ago Ox wasn't going to sign and yet we wait until the end of the transfer window to sell him leaving ourseleves next to no time to replace him.

Any normal club would have sold him and replaced him ages ago, but then they also wouldn't have allowed their most valuable assets to run their contracts down like this so.....

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

I did say it would be spun like this by the Wenger disciples

[Niall_Quinn]

http://i.imgur.com/4uDTII5.gif

[Özim]

Wenger’s reputation needs to take a battering and we need to hope that Kroenke gets the message. What happens after that and who they appoint….God knows. But if we appoint someone with a good reputation because I doubt these guys have enough knowledge about football to discover some hidden talent coaching in Mongolia, I think we’d be ok. As long as the owner gives the new manager access to the funds we generate, we might end up ok. I hope.

Wenger should have no reputation left by now, somehow he's still surviving on former glories, some people still defend him based on something he did well over a decade ago. The guy is finished, not convinced he was ever that good in the 1st place, circumstances and all that played their part, great managers learn and adapt when they get things wrong.

[Özim]

http://i.imgur.com/4uDTII5.gif

:lol:

[selassie]

Evans would be another Welbeck, Silvestre type signing, no thanks on all levels!

The link to Evans is real and it angers me so much. Why do we do this every season?

[Power n Glory]

From GeoffArsenal who's a legitimate ITK

https://twitter.com/GeoffArsenal/status/902456164314644480



:rolleyes:

Someone needs to find out why this situation is no longer 'ideal'. What a joke.

[Özim]

The link to Evans is real and it angers me so much. Why do we do this every season?

No idea, we're totally incompetent and never do anything right.

We're on the verge of losing Ox, possibly Mustafi and apparently open to selling Sanchez now, if we were going to do it we should have sold them months ago given ourselves plenty of time to find replacements, instead it's just a total mess.

Wenger already said Ox and Sanchez weren't going, seems to have had a change of heart, but then we all know Wenger's words mean nothing, he seems to go back on things he says all the time. Doesn't seem to care either and yet expects people to have respect for him.

[Gooner23]

From GeoffArsenal who's a legitimate ITK

https://twitter.com/GeoffArsenal/status/902456164314644480



:rolleyes:

How anyone can side with Wenger on this is quite staggering.

[Marc Overmars]

Someone needs to find out why this situation is no longer 'ideal'. What a joke.

He's making it up as he goes along. He lost his grasp on reality a long time ago, all this shit going on right under his nose and he's none the wiser. A shocking manager who is trying his best to destroy his legacy. Now there have been just as many years of anger and dissatisfaction as there have been of joy and excitement.

[Niall_Quinn]

He's making it up as he goes along. He lost his grasp on reality a long time ago, all this shit going on right under his nose and he's none the wiser. A shocking manager who is trying his best to destroy his legacy. Now there have been just as many years of anger and dissatisfaction as there have been of joy and excitement.

Yeah, and the good stuff is a decade in the past. Would be okay if it was the other way around. Which makes me wonder, if Wenger had performed in the first 10 years as he's done in these last 10, would he have been sacked? The answer is obvious.

So these "respect" people are saying 10 years of abject shit are tolerable because we're not making a football decision in the best interests of the club, we're making a sentimental decision that flies in the face of logic and reason. They could use the same logic to demand Wenger is retained after he dies. It would be disrespectful to find a more animated replacement because remember those first 10 years? Dead Arsene should be allowed to choose when he leaves. It's the same logic.

[selassie]

No idea, we're totally incompetent and never do anything right.

We're on the verge of losing Ox, possibly Mustafi and apparently open to selling Sanchez now, if we were going to do it we should have sold them months ago given ourselves plenty of time to find replacements, instead it's just a total mess.

Wenger already said Ox and Sanchez weren't going, seems to have had a change of heart, but then we all know Wenger's words mean nothing, he seems to go back on things he says all the time. Doesn't seem to care either and yet expects people to have respect for him.

Oh I agree. This a seriously botched Window from Wenger, even by his low standards I don't think he has sunk as low as this before.

Nobody takes him seriously anymore including his players.

If he had any decency he would tender his resignation right now because nobody wants him here.

[Özim]

I can't ever remember the club being in such a mess to be honest and for much of it we have one man to thank, the other part is down to the only man he answers to who we know doesn't give a toss about the club in any sporting sense, both of them making fans turn away from the club and dislike almost everything about it.

Out of pride though you'd think Wenger would do better, instead he ignores all logic and runs the club into the ground, ignoring all of the fans concerns all whilst endulging himself in this fantasy of the club he's created, where everything is perfect and where doing the opposite of what everyone else thinks is logical and where regular thumpings and your best players being out of contract is an ideal situation.

Not long till we're 2% away from domination surely?

[Niall_Quinn]

I can't ever remember the club being in such a mess to be honest and for much of it we have one man to thank, the other part is down to the only man he answers to who we know doesn't give a toss about the club in any sporting sense.

Out of pride though you'd think Wenger would do better, instead he ignores all logic and runs the club into the ground, ignoring all of the fans concerns all whilst endulging himself in this fantasy of the club he's created, where everything is perfect and where doing the opposite of what everyone else thinks is logical and where regular thumpings and your best players being out of contract is an ideal situation.

Not long till we're 2% away from domination surely?

We dominated the second half against Liverpool until the 3rd goal went in. Then we had to chase the game and it killed our chance. Very close match though, could have gone either way. I can see us dominating this season in a similar way.

[Marc Overmars]

From GeoffArsenal who's a legitimate ITK

https://twitter.com/GeoffArsenal/status/902456164314644480



:rolleyes:

If the players feel that way, it's down to the manager. He's the one who should be demanding excellence. Eventually they all end up feeling this way, the ones with something about them leave and the losers who know they'll never have it better stay.

[GP]

Wenger should be killed.

[Özim]

Oh I agree. This a seriously botched Window from Wenger, even by his low standards I don't think he has sunk as low as this before.

Nobody takes him seriously anymore including his players.

If he had any decency he would tender his resignation right now because nobody wants him here.

It's ironic though, the more pressure he is under from the fans the less he seems to care. The logical thing would have been to go out this summer and make a statement, try to raise his popularity by upeasing the fans and creating a positive vibe at the club, instead he does even less in the transfer market, starts getting rid of players we were never looking to sell and lets players who are key players for us walk away for a fraction of their value.

[Özim]

We dominated the second half against Liverpool until the 3rd goal went in. Then we had to chase the game and it killed our chance. Very close match though, could have gone either way. I can see us dominating this season in a similar way.

Yeah just like last season when we won the 1st half when we los 5-1.

Did we win the 2nd half apart from goal against Liverpool?

[Niall_Quinn]

Wenger should be killed.

What would that achieve? Kroenke would still keep him on. Might inconvenience Ty a bit, he'd have to attend a permanent 24/ 7 vigil at the graveside. And Neville might make a few weird girly noises on TV. Other than that, nothing would change.

[Özim]

Begs the question that if we knew Ox was leaving why has he been playing every game if he's not going to be part of the club (apparently we knew he was out the door).

We now have another one of our better players going to a big English club, no other big club does this, should take a leaf out of Liverpools book and try saying no for once (maybe not when they only have 1 year left on their contract though).

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

That would suggest any of that is intended

Wenger is a purely reactive individual, hasn't been proactive with his approach in years. Buys a proven striker this summer after years and years of him seemingly knowing that's what we need.

Selling the likes of the Ox and Sanchez reactively because he realised we are going to actually lose them for nothing. I think he genuinely believed despite what has happened in the past that they would sign new contracts.

Mustafi took him by surprise.

Buying in the summer would suggest planning ahead, and the only thing he plans ahead with is for a future that never comes (the token 17 year old who gets offloaded about five years later).

[hobson's choice]

Why arent we shipping off Walcott and/or Welbeck, and keeping Perez?! Perez has shown more quality in his matches at Arsenal than those 2 have shown in their entire career.

Cause its clear Arsene never wanted him

[The Emirates Gallactico]

Cause its clear Arsene never wanted him

Yep.

Perez like Mustafi & Gabriel was signings primarily driven by the data analytics team the club (StatDNA) instead being a player that Wenger personally chased. Which why Wenger's never taken a shine to any of those as has sold or is planning to sell them.

The real funny thing regarding Mustafi is that we could have signed Johnny Evans for 5 million last year but instead opted for Mustafi at 35 million instead. A year later we seem to be desperately trying to replace Mustafi for Evans who's now valued at least 25 million +.

You just got laugh really.

[Niall_Quinn]

Yep.

Perez like Mustafi & Gabriel was signings primarily driven by the data analytics team the club (StatDNA) instead being a player that Wenger personally chased. Which why Wenger's never taken a shine to any of those as has sold or is planning to sell them.

The real funny thing regarding Mustafi is that we could have signed Johnny Evans for 5 million last year but instead opted for Mustafi at 35 million instead. A year later we seem to be desperately trying to replace Mustafi for Evans who's now valued at least 25 million +.

You just got laugh really.

The agents certainly do.

Can't recall where I read it this morning, but somebody was saying the reason we didn't sign Mbappe on a free a couple of years back was because we wouldn't pay the agents, who just so happened to be the family. 6 million quid was the figure mentioned.

[dostoy]

Come on Arsenal sell at least 4 first team players, not including fringe players and don't buy anyone.

I would love to see that, and then 16th would be on.

Wenger would have to leave after that, surely.

Just think, if Arsenal had won at Anfield there would have been none of this, every cloud and all that.

[hobson's choice]

So according to something I saw on another board. Wenger didn't want Lacazette, he was forced upon him

[Munchies]

http://i.imgur.com/oRXxL8W.jpg

[Letters]

So according to something I saw on another board. Wenger didn't want Lacazette, he was forced upon him

Is that the new "according to a bloke down the pub"?

[Munchies]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DIaT_X0VAAAeJyC.jpg

WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Sterling is tied down to a big money contract and Sanchez isn't

That's what's going on

[The Emirates Gallactico]

So according to something I saw on another board. Wenger didn't want Lacazette, he was forced upon him

Wouldn't be at all surprising. As I stated above, there have been other signings I know for a fact that he wasn't too thrilled with.

We easily could have had Lacazette done in any of the previous two summers yet didn't because Wenger was hopeful that this magical striker would pop up from nowhere that he could buy. So it's very plausible that he was a player that Wenger didn't really want and only signed because:

1) He was forced to by Ivan
2) He had no other option because there weren't any other gettable strikers.

Either way it stinks of a reluctant signing from Wenger and so a player that's not going to be one of his favourites that he persists with regardless (as seen with him being dropped to the bench against Pool).

[The Emirates Gallactico]

Sterling is tied down to a big money contract and Sanchez isn't

That's what's going on

True but Sanchez is 10 times the player and the whole world knows that.

If we end up being the ones having to shell out cash instead of the other way around then Dick Law and whoever else does the negotiations need to fuck off along with Wenger and Stan.

[Bumble]

I would take Sterling plus cash for Sanchez as Sanchez doesn't want to be here and at least we would have another player on our books if it was straight cash we wouldn't spend it.

Cant believe we would pay money though as part of the swap.... we would look like total mugs (even more so than normal).

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

True but Sanchez is 10 times the player and the whole world knows that.

If we end up being the ones having to shell out cash instead of the other way around then Dick Law and whoever else does the negotiations need to fuck off along with Wenger and Stan.

City don't need to do the deal though

They can just get him to sign an agreement to join next summer

[Niall_Quinn]

We could end up PAYING to lose Alexis to our rivals? :haha:

They've done it. I didn't think they could, but all credit to them. They've found a new rock bottom.

I hate to break it to you lads, but Sterling is shit. And he'll be even shittier in our team. If that rumour is true then we are on the verge of owning the worst piece of transfer business in the history of football.

This is shocking and hilarious and outrageous and awe inspiringly out there.

It can't possibly be true. It has to be a troll on the loose.

But it it is true...

OMFG.

[Niall_Quinn]

Also, thread needs to be renamed. Misery doesn't even begin to do this justice.

[Niall_Quinn]

Meanwhile, Mbappe will have medical today before completing loan move to PSG.

This deal is starting to look dead. I don't think we're signing him at all.

[Dicks and chicks]

Apparently Man City may want Sanchez

[Niall_Quinn]

Apparently Man City may want Sanchez

I've already eaten, so I'll leave this for somebody else.

[selassie]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DIaT_X0VAAAeJyC.jpg

WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON

:haha:

The sad thing is we are stupid enough to fall for this, paying City for their flop and giving them our best player!

[Niall_Quinn]

Now the news is Sterling + 40 mill for Alexis.

Honestly, if this time last season you'd told me we'd be on the verge of losing Alexis I'd be depressed. But now tell me Sterling will end up here and I'm looking for the nearest bridge. This is the last waster we need at the club. It means our transfer business will be done, it's exactly the excuse the fuckers need to walk away from this window with a big fat profit.

Thee cunts are con merchants of the highest order.

[Munchies]

Gibbs to WBA for £7m

thank fuck he's fucking off!

in before he turns down their contract

[Marc Overmars]

Gibbs to WBA for £7m

thank fuck he's fucking off!

in before he turns down their contract

Peanuts really.

Though he hasn't really played enough to warrant any sort of attention over the past few years. Stock is pretty low.

[fakeyank]

Our summer in a nutshell for the last decade

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lnt1j7WrE81qg39ewo1_500.gif

[Niall_Quinn]

Perez may not be leaving after all. Arsenal are holding out for a 3 mill loan fee but nobody has taken them up on it so far, not anyone the Perez wants to join anyway. He could end up spending another year on the bench. Wonder what he thinks about his decision to join us on the Titanic?

[Özim]

Gibbs gone, great news, overrated rubbish just embarrassing he lasted this long at the club.

If we give City Sanchez and money for Sterling with the biggest mugs in world football, for a start Sterling isn't worth 60 million, secondly he's rubbish and we don't want him.

To be linked with Sterling and Evans is soooo underwhelming it's untrue, we'll be weaknening the team by signing those two, unfortunately this is Wenger and so the ridiculous is could very well be reality!

[Özim]

Perez may not be leaving after all. Arsenal are holding out for a 3 mill loan fee but nobody has taken them up on it so far, not anyone the Perez wants to join anyway. He could end up spending another year on the bench. Wonder what he thinks about his decision to join us on the Titanic?

Not a bad thing for us, he's better than Welbeck and Walcott, him being forced to stay may work in our favour, it's not unusual for Wenger to stumble across a decent player through pot luck.

[Özim]

So far all that seems to be happening is players leaving the club and us topping up our bank balance, as Wenger said though that keeps you very busy, not much time to spend on buying players we desperately need, not much time at all, summer transfer window is very short after all, barely time to blink.

[Özim]

Can we use the "we make stars we don't buy them" excuse yet?

Or even "we don't want to do a Leeds"

Or perhaps "Chelsea are buying all the players so Wenger can't have them"

[Özim]

Peanuts really.

Though he hasn't really played enough to warrant any sort of attention over the past few years. Stock is pretty low.

Yeah it is peanuts, other clubs get 20 million for this rubbish players, ours are so rubbish we get 5-7 million only taken Wenger almost a decade to work out they aren't up to scratch though.

[Marc Overmars]

Sky are reporting that we've rejected a 50m bid from City for Alexis.

[Letters]

We could end up PAYING to lose Alexis to our rivals? :haha:

They've done it. I didn't think they could, but all credit to them. They've found a new rock bottom.

...

It can't possibly be true. It has to be a troll on the loose.

But it it is true...

OMFG.
In what sense is it "true"?! Is there any actual credible source for this?
It would be complete madness if we do that but I seriously doubt we will.
According to the BBC City have bid £50m

[selassie]

Sky are reporting that we've rejected a 50m bid from City for Alexis.

Yeah that is what I am hearing too. Apparently we want 70mill for him or Sterling to be included in the deal.

I think we'll fold in the end and sell him to them for around 60mill.

I doubt we'll finish top 4 with Sanchez here anyway so I honestly don't care if he stays or goes.

[Niall_Quinn]

In what sense is it "true"?! Is there any actual credible source for this?
It would be complete madness if we do that but I seriously doubt we will.
According to the BBC City have bid £50m

I said, It can't possibly be true. So, in some ways, I wasn't claiming it was true.

[Letters]

I said, It can't possibly be true. So, in some ways, I wasn't claiming it was true.

Apart from the bit where you said "but it is true"...

[Letters]

Seriously. Is this what we've come to now?
We're going to start losing our collective shit over things which are clearly bullshit and not going to happen?
Come on, lads. There's plenty to whine about if you're that way inclined, there is really no need to make up stuff.

[The Emirates Gallactico]

Seriously. Is this what we've come to now?
We're going to start losing our collective shit over things which are clearly bullshit and not going to happen?
Come on, lads. There's plenty to whine about if you're that way inclined, there is really no need to make up stuff.

Even if it's ultimately BS, the fact that people are prepared to believe the absolute worst about the people running the club and their competence is a damning indictment of the poor level people view these folks which is all from their own doing.

[Niall_Quinn]

In a perverse way, we hold all the cards here.

Alexis will have plenty of choices in January and his wage demands can be obscene because there's no fee involved. So the gypos might lose out if a Utd or a Bayern get interested. This is probably their best opportunity to get the player. I wouldn't think gypoland would be Alexis' first choice and if a better option was available he'd take it.

On the other hand, for the player, busting a gut trying to bail out a sinking ship for a another soul destroying season under the lunatic Wenger is hardly appealing. A whole season down the drain. Not ideal at this stage of his career and if he takes it easy then his stock might fall and he'll end up with fewer options in the summer. I'm sure he wants to get on and get back to doing what he does best.

So there's an incentive for both the gypos and the player to get this deal done.

Of course we're the drunken village bum who has fallen down a stairs, shit himself and woken in a pool of vomit only to discover we've coincidentally coughed up a key (we thought was a pretzel) to unlock what the gypos and Alexis are searching for. And we get to posture around in front of disgusted bystanders claiming we're keeping the prize for ourselves, even though we have no idea how to use it. But as soon as the pubs open again we'll fold and barter for as many drinks as we can get.

70 million, I'd guess. And, provided that turd Sterling is not coming the other way, I'd say that's the best way out of this now. Alexis doesn't want to be here (because he's sane and has a career to be getting on with), if we hung onto him it would give the club an excuse to do fuck all else in this transfer window. Which might happen anyway, they've never been shy about pissing on the fans for amusement. But at least it would expose more fans to the realities of what these people are. If anything has come out of the latest Kroenke and Wenger farce it's a drawing together of the fanbase into a more unified loathing of what's happening at this club.

[Niall_Quinn]

Apart from the bit where you said "but it is true"...

Typo, you mong. I said "it" it is true. If you can't figure out that's supposed to be an "if" then you need to go and work with Wenger.

[Niall_Quinn]

Seriously. Is this what we've come to now?
We're going to start losing our collective shit over things which are clearly bullshit and not going to happen?
Come on, lads. There's plenty to whine about if you're that way inclined, there is really no need to make up stuff.

And I also didn't make it up. So thanks for the advice, I'll use it if it ever applies.

[Letters]

Typo, you mong. I said "it" it is true. If you can't figure out that's supposed to be an "if" then you need to go and work with Wenger.

Yes. You made a typo and I'm the mong. :good:

[KSE Comedy Club]

I see nothing has changed around here.... :lol:

[Xhaka Can’t]

Yes. You made a typo and I'm the mong. :good:

I think you both can agree on that.

[KSE Comedy Club]

I think you both can agree on that.

Seconded.

[Niall_Quinn]

Yes. You made a typo and I'm the mong. :good:

I didn't mean you are a mong because I made a typo. I meant you're a mong for waiting so patiently to find the a post you thought was worth some holier than thou attention only to pick the least suitable post in the thread.

[Niall_Quinn]

I think you both can agree on that.

Okay, so scrub my answer. I'm going with this one instead.

[Letters]

I think you both can agree on that.

Exactly :cool:





Hey! :angry:

[Niall_Quinn]

So it looks like it's us that wants Sterling and the gypos don't want to let him leave. Trust Wenger to somehow dig another Walcott out of an already bad situation.

Daily Fuhrer is also reporting the Ox deal has stalled, but they don't say why. Probably Wenger trying to reverse the fax charges again.

[The Emirates Gallactico]

Alexis will have plenty of choices in January and his wage demands can be obscene because there's no fee involved. So the gypos might lose out if a Utd or a Bayern get interested. This is probably their best opportunity to get the player. I wouldn't think gypoland would be Alexis' first choice and if a better option was available he'd take it.


From the rumours it honestly seems that Alexis actually wants to stay in the Premier League and London which means that the Gypos are likely his second choice behind the Chavs.

But yeah I agree with the sentiment of your post - we hold a lot more leverage here then some think. City and Pep are clearly desperate for him and keeping him risks other clubs gazumping them with a mega money contract offer. Hence why that Sterling + cash supposed offer is purely laughable.

[Niall_Quinn]

From the rumours it honestly seems that Alexis actually wants to stay in the Premier League and London which means that the Gypos are likely his second choice behind the Chavs.

But yeah I agree with the sentiment of your post - we hold a lot more leverage here then some think. City and Pep are clearly desperate for him and keeping him risks other clubs gazumping them with a mega money contract offer. Hence why that Sterling + cash supposed offer is purely laughable.

Mail is saying Wenger has resolved to sell any player that wants to leave, following a heated meeting on Monday. In the context of this club I'm taking "heated" to mean the central heating was turned up. Gentlemen, we have the option of making a lot of profit or taking a loss, please vote now. And a warm glow was felt by all.

This will make keep him batting at 100% for claiming he's not selling, only to sell at the last minute. Consistency.

But that game on Sunday sealed it, if ever there was any real doubt. There's nothing to be gained from hanging on to Alexis. At least we have good experience in milking the gypos. Last I heard they are so desperate to to get rid of Nasri they are offering to pay his wages if he pisses off.

These two clubs were made for each other.

[Blink 1nce Quince 2wice]

Still don't get why City are interested when Guardiola is reported to have found a few of his traits majorly annoying at Barca and City have loads of attacking players with Sterling, De Bruyne, Silva, Aguero and Jesus.

[Niall_Quinn]

Still don't get why City are interested when Guardiola is reported to have found a few of his traits majorly annoying at Barca and City have loads of attacking players with Sterling, De Bruyne, Silva, Aguero and Jesus.

They'll be competing on two major fronts so will need quality in reserve. Injuries, suspensions, loss of form, tactical options. None of that will make much sense to us, or at least it's something we don't have to worry about. But other clubs take it all very seriously.

[Shaqiri Is Boss]

Ornstein says Oxlade has turned Chelsea down as he still holds out hope of joining us :popcorn:

The main reason being he wants to play centre mid, not wing back which he thinks will happen at Chelsea too. Hmm.

[Niall_Quinn]

Ornstein says Oxlade has turned Chelsea down as he still holds out hope of joining us :popcorn:

The main reason being he wants to play centre mid, not wing back which he thinks will happen at Chelsea too. Hmm.

You'll need to hand deliver the offer. Our fax has been broken for the last 20 years.

[Xhaka Can’t]

You'll need to hand deliver the offer. Our fax has been broken for the last 20 years.

Or they could just graffiti it on the Ken Friar Bridge.

[Letters]

"Arsenal are the first club in history where the manager loses the dressing room and we get rid of the dressing room rather than the manager"
- someone on Twitter

:lol:

:ilt:

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Chelsea have bid ten million lower for Barkley than they did for the Ox

[Gooner23]

Exaggerated I know, but you do feel this is a uniquely Arsenal situation :lol:

[Özim]

So it looks like it's us that wants Sterling and the gypos don't want to let him leave. Trust Wenger to somehow dig another Walcott out of an already bad situation.

Daily Fuhrer is also reporting the Ox deal has stalled, but they don't say why. Probably Wenger trying to reverse the fax charges again.

Doesn't surprise me, Wenger doesn't have a clue when it comes to signing quality these days, if he does bring quality in it's more a case of stumbling across it. Moreover with leaving everything so late and having no plan of who to sign in the first place he now has to bring in anyone he can, it's typical of him.

[Özim]

Apparently many members of the squad want Sanchez to be sold, if you read the article it's as if they partly blame him for Sunday's defeat:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2017/08/29/fed-up-arsenal-players-want-club-sell-alexis-sanchez-transfer/

Must have been reading Wengers' book of excuses.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

I don't think any manager would be especially competent at it, that's why most clubs leave it to a dedicated negotiating team.

That's the first thing that has to be established when Wenger goes, a manager does not get to set the transfer value of a player, if he wants a player then he leaves it to the club to set the price they are prepared to pay.

The managers only involvement should be to sell the club to the player to say "join our project"

[Özim]

Gibbs has been sold, great stuff.:yippee:

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Apparently many members of the squad want Sanchez to be sold, if you read the article it's as if they partly blame him for Sunday's defeat:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2017/08/29/fed-up-arsenal-players-want-club-sell-alexis-sanchez-transfer/

Must have been reading Wengers' book of excuses.

It's totally unreasonable of Sanchez. We just want a quiet life waddling around a pitch for ninety minutes. And this guy thinks we should be running our arses off to win games without extra money.....who does he think he is.

[selassie]

Apparently many members of the squad want Sanchez to be sold, if you read the article it's as if they partly blame him for Sunday's defeat:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2017/08/29/fed-up-arsenal-players-want-club-sell-alexis-sanchez-transfer/

Must have been reading Wengers' book of excuses.

I honestly wouldn't be surprised if this has been falsely leaked by the club. After all, the Club would love nothing more than painting Sanchez as the villain now he is forcing a move to join a team that is ambitious and actually tries to compete for trophies.

[Marc Overmars]

I reckon Sanchez is a bit of a cunt but I don't see what's wrong with being demanding and having high standards. Our poor little lambs just want to be cuddled and told everything is going to be alright.

If we had more characters like him then maybe we wouldn't be such a mentality weak team. No doubt he will be painted as the villain when he leaves.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Is he going to leave in this transfer window though? When we've rejected 50million for him

Are city going to go higher? Would we accept an equivalent offer from PSG?

It seems City have probably spoken to Sanchez's representatives and have chanced their arm because we are in a mess

[dostoy]

Sell sell sell sell.

Sell them all and don't you dare buy anyone Wenger, I want the new manager to have 250 million to spend when he takes over next summer.

Surely Ozil has to go as well, he is a complete fairy.

[Niall_Quinn]

Gibbs has been sold, great stuff.:yippee:

Another player who could have developed into something if he had more ambition than slumming around with bad company like Wenger.

[Niall_Quinn]

Or they could just graffiti it on the Ken Friar Bridge.

No, the club has strict orders to ignore anything that appears there. New policy. Keep up.

[Niall_Quinn]

Apparently many members of the squad want Sanchez to be sold, if you read the article it's as if they partly blame him for Sunday's defeat:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2017/08/29/fed-up-arsenal-players-want-club-sell-alexis-sanchez-transfer/

Must have been reading Wengers' book of excuses.

I bet they want him sold. Who needs a guy running around all over the place? Calm down and take the money. Bit of dignity lads. Gentlemen walk, they never run. We don't need his sort here.

[Niall_Quinn]

I reckon Sanchez is a bit of a cunt but I don't see what's wrong with being demanding and having high standards. Our poor little lambs just want to be cuddled and told everything is going to be alright.

If we had more characters like him then maybe we wouldn't be such a mentality weak team. No doubt he will be painted as the villain when he leaves.

If we'd have signed Vidal when he was available we'd be in a totally different boat now and it would be half these lambs that had been slaughtered. Vidal was probably the last realistic chance for Wenger to do something. After that miss and another round of buying second rate junk it was inevitable where we'd end up.

Vidal and Alexis in tandem could have beaten Wenger. I'm sure of it.

[Niall_Quinn]

Is he going to leave in this transfer window though? When we've rejected 50million for him

Are city going to go higher? Would we accept an equivalent offer from PSG?

It seems City have probably spoken to Sanchez's representatives and have chanced their arm because we are in a mess

He's definitely leaving. It makes no sense for any party if he stays now. This is just the greedy bastards at our place milking as hard as they can. Under normal circumstances you'd say great, good job. But none of it will be reinvested anyway. From a fan's point of view £1 or £70 million, makes no difference. This will probably go to the last moments before the deadline, or knowing us it will be one of those extension thingies.

I still don't discount Ozil leaving too. Surely he can see what's happening here and if he wants his career to continue he needs to get out now. One more season here in the shambles to come may devalue him to such a degree he has to live in Turkey.

[Marc Overmars]

Sky reporting that Sterling won't be considered by City as part of any move for Sanchez.

[Niall_Quinn]

Sky reporting that Sterling won't be considered by City as part of any move for Sanchez.

No matter how dark, there's always a silver lining.

[Niall_Quinn]

This has to be the funniest headline of the season so far:


Arsenal players wants Alexis Sanchez sold ASAP as wantaway contract rebel sours the mood and threatens Gunners season

So that's why our season has collapsed. I knew it!

Other than that, all is well. Whew!

[Niall_Quinn]

Reports saying we are also trying to hawk Alexis to Man Utd.

Dignity is a thin veneer. Scratch the surface and it all becomes rather horrible and crawly and putrid.

I'm definitely going to believe what Wenger and Gazidis say the next time they open their gobs and start preaching.

Look at them in the dirt and the shit, rolling around trying to grab as much cash as they can.

[Xhaka Can’t]

If we get rid quick, the League is ours!

I wonder though if we have the depth in squad to win the Europa League as well?

Or maybe we should just concentrate on a clean sweep of the domestic trophies.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

He's definitely leaving. It makes no sense for any party if he stays now. This is just the greedy bastards at our place milking as hard as they can. Under normal circumstances you'd say great, good job. But none of it will be reinvested anyway. From a fan's point of view £1 or £70 million, makes no difference. This will probably go to the last moments before the deadline, or knowing us it will be one of those extension thingies.

I still don't discount Ozil leaving too. Surely he can see what's happening here and if he wants his career to continue he needs to get out now. One more season here in the shambles to come may devalue him to such a degree he has to live in Turkey.

It makes no sense to not have had him sold by now and it still happened

Frankly with two days left of the window I think it's far more likely that we end up saddled with two players who don't want to be here come Friday morning that we almost certainly lose for nothing next year.

[Özim]

What a mess, look at what Wenger has done to this club, it's shocking to be honest, any good he did has been undone 10 times over, his legacy will be leaving this club in a terrible mess and turning it into a loser.

Just can't believe what's happened to this once great club, there's nothing left of what it was.

[Niall_Quinn]

It makes no sense to not have had him sold by now and it still happened

Frankly with two days left of the window I think it's far more likely that we end up saddled with two players who don't want to be here come Friday morning that we almost certainly lose for nothing next year.

I keep forgetting the worst case scenario. That's why I don't get paid as much as Wenger.

[Niall_Quinn]

So are we signing Jonny Evans or not?

This transfer window will all have been for nothing if we don't rub it in by signing Jonny Evans.

[selassie]

I'm definitely going to believe what Wenger and Gazidis say the next time they open their gobs and start preaching.

Look at them in the dirt and the shit, rolling around trying to grab as much cash as they can.

:haha:

[Dicks and chicks]

Johnny Evans and Salamon Kalou and we will be firm challengers for a top 10 finish

[Dicks and chicks]

So are we signing Jonny Evans or not?

This transfer window will all have been for nothing if we don't rub it in by signing Jonny Evans.

He doesn't want to come here.

[Özim]

Another problem at this club (and there's so much wrong it's untrue) is that we're so secretive, we should have made our offers for our out of contract players early on and if they didn't accept them sold them there and then, instead we pretended we were confident they'd sign, we were waiting on him etc and now we could lose two of our better players with noone lined up.

Where is the planning at this club, for years it's been the same no planning come the summer, we drag on transfers deals for an entire summer what is wrong with these people?

We really really need Wenger to go, who knows what state we'll be in in 2 years when he signs another new contract.

[dostoy]

I agree with all of the criticisms of Wenger on here, this is why Arsenal must have a very bad season now where they finish 16th or 17th and no fuck all cup win.

I know it will be painful but then surely Wenger will leave, it was bad last season and they finished 5th, just imagine how painful it will be for everybody with a 17th place finish.

Next summer a new manager will be here surely.

[Niall_Quinn]

Another problem at this club (and there's so much wrong it's untrue) is that we're so secretive, we should have made our offers for our out of contract players early on and if they didn't accept them sold them there and then, instead we pretended we were confident they'd sign, we were waiting on him etc and now we could lose two of our better players with noone lined up.

Where is the planning at this club, for years it's been the same no planning come the summer, we drag on transfers deals for an entire summer what is wrong with these people?

We really really need Wenger to go, who knows what state we'll be in in 2 years when he signs another new contract.

Not true. The club has been very forthcoming. Here's a press release issued by Arsenal Press Secretary John Cross.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/wenger-furious-arsenal-inquest-anfield-11077745

Well worth the read. Bottom line is Alexis has shafted this club. Wenger (the Boss) is doing everything he can to hold things together but Alexis is determined to destroy Arsenal, along with several other players. People like Alexis just don't have Wenger's drive and passion.

On a more positive note, Mesut Ozil stated he's not upset having lost his scapegoat status. He confirmed he was happy to share the role if it helped the club and the manager wriggle free of accountability.

Honestly. Read the article by Comrade Cross. It explains everything.

[Özim]

Liverpool on their way to Monaco to negotiate a 74 million deal for Lemar allegedly

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-4836188/Liverpool-FC-officials-fly-Monaco-Thomas-Lemar-deal.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490
(http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-4836188/Liverpool-FC-officials-fly-Monaco-Thomas-Lemar-deal.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490)

I don't get it, aren't they putting in some lowball offers in first? I thought that was the way you do it?

[Niall_Quinn]

Liverpool on their way to Monaco to negotiate a 74 million deal for Lemar allegedly

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-4836188/Liverpool-FC-officials-fly-Monaco-Thomas-Lemar-deal.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490
(http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-4836188/Liverpool-FC-officials-fly-Monaco-Thomas-Lemar-deal.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490)

I don't get it, aren't they putting in some lowball offers in first? I thought that was the way you do it?

They might be playing the agent game. Get the deal done with the club and the player, then refuse to pay the agent. That's a very effective way to scupper a deal. Let's say the agent wants 5 million. Offer him 3 million and not a penny more. I guarantee, this is usually enough to prevent the expenditure and it keeps the fans happy right up until the final moment and then beautifully deflects the blame.

Knowing Liverpool though, they're probably going to fuck it right up and find themselves lumbered with a young and exciting talent that will add greatly to their squad.

[Marc Overmars]

Let's hope Monaco don't sell.

Otherwise we're stuck with Ox.

[Niall_Quinn]

Gibbs says goodbye:


'Firstly I would like to say how delighted I am to sign for West Brom.

'It has been an amazing journey to play for my childhood club since I was 14. I would like to thank Arsene Wenger for giving me the chance to start my career and fulfil a dream!

'Thank you to all the fans, the Arsenal staff, and especially my team-mates who have been there during the special moments and helped me through some tough times.

'Now it's time for the next chapter with West Bromwich Albion and I can't wait to get started with the boys.'

Never fulfilled his potential here (join the club) but I can't recall him ever bad mouthing the club or causing off the field issues and he's gone about getting his transfer quietly and without enlisting the media. So good luck to him.

[Özim]

Interesting stat on Debuchy from another forum


Over the last 3 seasons he has collected nearly £11m in wages for making 23 appearances.

Cashes over half a million in wages per 90 minutes of football played.

[Özim]

Gibbs says goodbye:



Never fulfilled his potential here (join the club) but I can't recall him ever bad mouthing the club or causing off the field issues and he's gone about getting his transfer quietly and without enlisting the media. So good luck to him.

Nice guy and all that but awful defender, right from day 1 you could tell he couldn't defend but then he started life as winger so it's no real surprise. Sadly he couldn't cross either, nice guy and all that but definitely not good enough for a top club, ridiculously injury prone as well, if you touched him he would get injured for a 2 months.

Wenger chose to stick with him for years but the guy was really never up to the task, remember when we signed the 5 British players on long contracts (Jenks, Ox, Wilshire, Gibbs and Ramsey), thought it was a stupid move and it's turned out that way.

None of them have cut the mustard and other than Ramsey none have a future at the club. Waste of resources and waste of time tbh.

[Niall_Quinn]

Interesting stat on Debuchy from another forum

Can't blame the player one bit. Wouldn't anyone take the money? All down to Wenger again. He has such a talent for finding the most injury prone players and signing them up to long and lucrative contracts. The Diaby saga has to be one of the biggest jokes in sporting history. But there are plenty of other Wenger classics, Debuchy being one of them. A player who doesn't play and earns a fortune in return. I wonder why we can't sell him? Complete mystery.

Apparently we can't get rid of Jenkinson either. Negotiations keep stalling because everyone assumes his wages are a misprint.

[Niall_Quinn]

Arsene Wenger has dug Arsenal into a hole they cannot get themselves out of... from the egocentric manager to gutless owners, this is the club's worst transfer window in recent history

Gunners fan Peter Wood from Le Grove writes for Sportsmail on a turbulent week and an even worse transfer window at Arsenal.

Make no mistake, Arsenal are overseeing the worst transfer window in the recent history of the club, and damn, there's been some bad ones. This debacle is 10 years in the making and it all centres around Arsene Wenger’s ineptitude, lack of vision and his failure to learn from past mistakes.

As it stands, six players stand to leave on free transfers next summer with a market value of over £100m. The club has known about this impending disaster all year, and did little to navigate it.

In fact, Arsene Wenger played up the issue as a positive, stating: ‘It is not an issue, I think it's an ideal situation.’

This comment was made all the more absurd after he pinned last season's decline on his own contract saga when he said: ‘I think at some stage I did not think it would be a handicap for my commitment and it was not. But it was a bit of a handicap because it created a climate of insecurity and a lack of clarity about my person that maybe did not help at some stage.’

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-4836760/Arsene-Wenger-overseeing-Arsenal-s-worst-transfer-window.html

All true.

[Özim]

Can't blame the player one bit. Wouldn't anyone take the money? All down to Wenger again. He has such a talent for finding the most injury prone players and signing them up to long and lucrative contracts. The Diaby saga has to be one of the biggest jokes in sporting history. But there are plenty of other Wenger classics, Debuchy being one of them. A player who doesn't play and earns a fortune in return. I wonder why we can't sell him? Complete mystery.

Apparently we can't get rid of Jenkinson either. Negotiations keep stalling because everyone assumes his wages are a misprint.

Very true, sure Wenger has made a profit etc etc but he's wasted so many resources at the same time, we've probably paid for injured players more than any other club in the hisotry of football in the last decade.

You're right about Wenger picking injured duds too, I guess it must have something to do with training methods/coaching and the fact we always seem to sign small weak players when what we should be doing is going back the old days of tough, resilient individuals not afraid to get stuck in, players who don't get injured at the mere touch of an opponent.

Jamie Redknapp summed it up well, powderpuff.

[Özim]

All true.

Great article, but hoping he'll leave next summer is wishful thinking.

Only an empty stadium will facilitate that and there's no appetite for this in reality, I can't see an end to this, in two years he'll probably re-sign on, he did this summer despite the fans wanting him out, so what will 2 years change?

By then what will the club look like?

[Marc Overmars]

Gibbs says goodbye:



Never fulfilled his potential here (join the club) but I can't recall him ever bad mouthing the club or causing off the field issues and he's gone about getting his transfer quietly and without enlisting the media. So good luck to him.

Was never a great defender, too reliant on his pace for recovery. Under a structured system with Pulis he might still have time to improve.

Wish him well. :wave: