Summer Transfer Speculation and Shit

[Niall_Quinn]

Whats the chances of the Gypo's allowing us to take Nagredo on loan with a commitment of 30 Mill Euros? Not goona happen right?

Not in a million. Every other manager will be laughing their bollocks off right now and praying for a last minute chance to drive a knife in.

[Blink 1nce Quince 2wice]

Surprised you lot are still Arsenal fans after we signed Silvestre.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Yes, I would rather fuck Defoe than sign Welbeck.

He bites though.

[Kano]

Just like people were saying last year, and the year before that, and so on...

And they've been right to say so until the death. We keep hanging on in there by the skin of our teeth it'll go tits up at some point. Top four is not guaranteed at all, not now that Liverpool are the third best team around and there is only one spot left between four clubs.

[1_nilto the arsenal]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BR4nh6bCEAEf-rS.jpg

[LDG]

Lol

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

"pretty close"

[Kano]

Whats the chances of the Gypo's allowing us to take Nagredo on loan with a commitment of 30 Mill Euros? Not goona happen right?
They'd love it. We can ease their financial burden for half the season whilst he sits around injured.

[Slacker]

And they've been right to say so until the death. We keep hanging on their by the skin of our teeth it'll go tits up at some point. Top four is not guaranteed at all, not now that Liverpool are the third best team around and there is only one spot left between four clubs.

Plus if Spuds win the Europa we're shagged anyway. If they play like they did yesterday ok but if we carry on playing like we did yesterday, dunno...

[KSE Comedy Club]

@StanCollymore 4m

ARSENAL. Huntelaar "nonsense", Welbeck hopeful. As of 20 sec ago. #MNFN Transfer Special @talkSPORT ON AIRwell of course, we should have known that tbh.

He would actually be a decent signing.

[Munchies]

SSN: Welbeck deal to Arsenal is permanent. Deal is very close.

£18m or so?

Fuck

[Munchies]

Worst deadline day ever.

Fuck man

[Slacker]

Huntelaar is in the Kalou league of Arsenal targets. Please just fuck off to Turkey or Ukraine or worse...

[KSE Comedy Club]

I'm sorry but this is unacceptable.

:ilt:

[McNamara That Ghost...]

WUMger said he wanted a team of GHELs. :scarf:

[adzzzbatch]

FUCK FUCK FUCK :ilt:

[LDG]

SSN: Welbeck deal to Arsenal is permanent. Deal is very close.

£18m or so?

Fuck

18m

:haha:

[The Emirates Gallactico]

Oh god, someone wake me up and tell me this a nightmare.

18 million for Danny fucking Welbeck.

[Niall_Quinn]

£18mill :haha:

And I bet the cunt is on £100kpw

We've taken one right up the shitter here. Fair play to Utd, when you get trounced this decisively you can only hold your hands up and strangle Wenger.

[Shaqiri Is Boss]

For some unknown reason, redcafe seem to be very unhappy about this.

Are they fucking mad?

[adzzzbatch]

Fuck you Wenger and Gazidis Fuck you.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

BBC's live text says 16 million.

[Kano]

For some unknown reason, redcafe seem to be very unhappy about this.

Are they fucking mad?

They know we could've been done for twice the price.

[LDG]

For some unknown reason, redcafe seem to be very unhappy about this.

Are they fucking mad?

There's only one mad man in this saga.

[ARightTouch]

£18m :faint: :ilt:

Was hoping it would be just a 3 month loan :haha:

No defender then?? So we're going into 4 competitions with just 5 1/2 (gibbs is only counts as half a player) recognised defenders. WTF

[Munchies]

For some unknown reason, redcafe seem to be very unhappy about this.

Are they fucking mad?

Can't tell if they're trolling or not

[Slacker]

Better than Sanogo. Might work out the new Wrighty...

[Niall_Quinn]

BBC's live text says 16 million.

Well that's okay then, just £6mill more than Remy.

[Gooner23]

To be fair, he is preferable to Sanogo. In the same way that a bladder infection is preferable to chlamydia.

[KSE Comedy Club]

Also.. With this shit saga going on, there has been no mention of the CB & DM that we also needed.

Fucking useless.

[Niall_Quinn]

To be fair, he is preferable to Sanogo. In the same way that a bladder infection is preferable to chlamydia.

We're all assuming he's been bought as a striker. What's to say he won't be played wide?

[1_nilto the arsenal]

Well that's okay then, just £6mill more than Remy.
We've just paid £18 mill to allow Man Ure to cover the Falcoa deal. We did the same to Madrid when they signed Bale and they flogged us Ozil. When will this BAFOON ever learn. :fury:

[Niall_Quinn]

Also.. With this shit saga going on, there has been no mention of the CB & DM that we also needed.

Fucking useless.

That's just a bonus. Shock and Awe(ful)

[Shaqiri Is Boss]

There's only one mad man in this saga.

Well I guess he has got good physical attributes. He's quick, he's got pace, he works hard.... he's got pace. If there is something there I guess Wenger is a good man to get it out of him. All he needs is power and he's set. His pace alone in your side will probably get him 10 goals a season at least anyway. Velocity.

Wait why am I scrabbling around for reasons?

The new Thierry Henry.

[adzzzbatch]

Also.. With this shit saga going on, there has been no mention of the CB & DM that we also needed.

Fucking useless.

All part of the plan, get so people pissed off over wellshit that people forget about the other positions we're woefully short in. Classic Wenger.

I hope he's enjoying his charity match, twat.

[ARightTouch]

Also.. With this shit saga going on, there has been no mention of the CB & DM that we also needed.

Fucking useless.

I think signing a DM was just a dream, I cannot understand how we haven't got another defender on board (yet)

[Japan Shaking All Over]

Just sign the guy and see how he does......we have less than two hours to get in somebody else

[GP]

We've just paid £18 mill to allow Man Ure to cover the Falcoa deal. We did the same to Madrid when they signed Bale and they flogged us Ozil. When will this BAFOON ever learn. :fury:

Who's this Falcoa?

[LDG]

Well I guess he has got good physical attributes. He's quick, he's got pace, he works hard.... he's got pace. If there is something there I guess Wenger is a good man to get it out of him. All he needs is power and he's set. His pace alone in your side will probably get him 10 goals a season at least anyway. Velocity.

Wait why am I scrabbling around for reasons?

The new Thierry Henry.

:lol:


Bastard :(

[Munchies]

Watching youtube vids, his touch is worse than Sanogoals

[Slacker]

£18m :faint: :ilt:

Was hoping it would be just a 3 month loan :haha:

No defender then?? So we're going into 4 competitions with just 5 1/2 (gibbs is only counts as half a player) recognised defenders. WTF

TBF Kos, Walcott, Gibbs, Jack, Ox, Ozil, Merts, Rambo, Rosicky, Arteta and others are all made of glass so we're always going to struggle with injuries whatever. The recruitment of Shad was going to put pay to this. I hope the signing pays off.

[adzzzbatch]

Watching youtube vids, his touch is worse than Sanogoals

As in he doesn't have one?

[1_nilto the arsenal]

Thansk Wenger, now I have all my man Ure friends texting me and laughing at me. You cunt.

[ARightTouch]

I read somewhere Micah Richards was on his way to Fiorentina , why weren't we in for him?

[Slacker]

I read somewhere Micah Richards was on his way to Fiorentina , why weren't we in for him?

Because he's a lard arsed has been???

[GP]

I read somewhere Micah Richards was on his way to Fiorentina , why weren't we in for him?

Because he's shit?

[Kano]

Wenger is no doubt over in Italy quietly pleased with his business, sure that he'll come back to unwavering praise from critics and Arsenal fans alike. Another solid day in the office wrapped up.

[LDG]

I read somewhere Micah Richards was on his way to Fiorentina , why weren't we in for him?

I would say, "cos he's shit"

But we're signing Danny Welbeck.

So, there's no reason why we shouldn't be after him.

[1_nilto the arsenal]

What a shit day its been. I even took a day off today to sit in excitement and watch a defender, DM and Striker sign for us.

[Slacker]

Thansk Wenger, now I have all my man Ure friends texting me and laughing at me. You cunt.

TBF mate, I suspect they won't be laughing so hard at the end of the season. They needed a midfield and defensive spine and got more forwards. Van Gaal is the new Keegan...

[KSE Comedy Club]

Myachi gone on loan.

Miquel sold to Norwich.

Another defender gone.

[1_nilto the arsenal]

I hope so mate, cause I have had it today and I have no fucking defense tbh. I woudl rather have seen Hernandez on loan, than Wellbeck for good.

[alexander]

Myachi gone on loan.

Miquel sold to Norwich.

Another defender gone.

Clearing out for new defenders........

[Thierrymon]

Waking up to find out we have spunked 16mil on Welbeck :ilt:

[Master Splinter]

Seriously for a minute, if we don't sign some cover at the back, it is beyond mental.

And all three CBs are destined to be ruled out for six months on their first day back after the international break.

[Slacker]

DM all that's left. Allegedly Matuidi's on his way. If that one comes in I'm happy, plus a backup CD would be good. Must go for 3rd or above as Spuds are going for Europa. They have more chance of winning and if they win that and we get 4th they will piss themselves forever...

[McNamara That Ghost...]

SSN say deal agreed in principle with Man Utd. :lol:

[LDG]

Seriously for a minute, if we don't sign some cover at the back, it is beyond mental.

And all three CBs are destined to be ruled out for six months on their first day back after the international break.

Have we got anyone in the reaerves close to being good enough? It's the only logical reason why we would be leaving ourselves so threadbare.

We've shipped out 4 first team defenders and bought 2.

[Niall_Quinn]

Allegedly Matuidi's on his way. If that one comes in I'm happy

All is forgiven if that happens - at least until we get a defensive injury.

[Marc Overmars]

Welbz is actually coming home.

What a man.

[Master Splinter]

Have we got anyone in the reaerves close to being good enough? It's the only logical reason why we would be leaving ourselves so threadbare.

We've shipped out 4 first team defenders and bought 2.

Hayden is the only somewhat plausible option. But he has about 5 seconds of first-team football.

Do not forget we have also Monreal who has shown top, top, top quality there.

[Niall_Quinn]

You can count Gibbs out for half the season as usual. So we're even lighter than the roster suggests.

[selassie]

Wow, we could have signed Remy for half of that or even Balotelli for the same price. 16million for Welbeck? :blink:

[Slacker]

SSN say deal agreed in principle with Man Utd. :lol:

Don't get it. Surely better than the shite we've been linked with like Kalou, Huntelaar, Hernandez etc..?

We're getting Danny Welbeck. Isn't that better than Sanogo up front????

Dunno...

[Xhaka Can’t]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7ZN8wGIxBI

[Slacker]

Nice manly bracelet...

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7ZN8wGIxBI

suicide or lynching wenger?

[adzzzbatch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7ZN8wGIxBI

Oooooooooooo handy!

Thanks mate.

[fakeyank]

Welbeck :lol:

Wumger is the ultimate WUM :bow:

And where is our defense? :haha:

Khedira last minute bid?! :pray:

[Niall_Quinn]

816million quid spent so far. Pretty fucking horrible really, considering.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

QPR manager Harry Redknapp tells BBC Radio 5 live: "We have got Sandro from Tottenham. We tried to get one or two others and made a big effort to get Jermain Defoe. He wanted to come home but there was no way Toronto would release him before their play-offs. We also wanted Fabio Borini but his wage demands were way out of our league.

"Niko Kranjcar has dropped a third of his wages to come back here and play. I like the look of us now and I think we've got a real chances of staying in this division."

He is pathetic. Defoe again? FFS.

[Marc Overmars]

Not sure why we let Jenkinson go to only leave Chambers as cover for 2 positions.

Wenget. :lol:

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Welbeck leaving has broken Redcafe.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Jim White is a dick.

We should have a national holiday on this day in his honour though.

[1_nilto the arsenal]

Jason Roberts talks a lot of sense on BBC, Top guy! Went to my old high school and Crouch went to my other old school, and Steve McQueen the director of 12 years a slave went to the same school.

[Shaqiri Is Boss]

Not sure why we let Jenkinson go to only leave Chambers as cover for 2 positions.

Wenget. :lol:

Rory Smith on 5Live said Wenget told him Monreal was your backup CB.

[LDG]

Rory Smith on 5Live said Wenget told him Monreal was your backup CB.

He can't defend at LB, so I have no idea what this CB nonsense is about.

[Marc Overmars]

Rory Smith on 5Live said Wenget told him Monreal was your backup CB.

I repeat..

Wenget. :lol:

[Slacker]

Sure it wasn't Ryan Smith????

Gooner legend...

[1_nilto the arsenal]

Tom Cleverelly worth a punt as a DM? I know hes been shot at man ure but he's lost his confidence and nees a manager who will love him again as Fergie did.

[Thierrymon]

All gooners in Africa currently on suicide watch.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

Welbeck would do well here. He has pace and we create a lot of chances.

Remember when everyone laughed at Sturridge going to Liverpool. Look how that turned out.

Welbeck was better than Sturridge at a younger age but Sturridge overtook Welbeck because he ended up being given an opportunity.

Give Welbeck that and he'd shine imo.

Still remember that season where he was played through the middle at Sunderland, he was excellent.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Sandro joins QPR for £6 million. :lol:

Mbiwa off to Roma apparently, on loan.

Everton have tried to sign Cleverley but failed.

All of the above from SSN.

[1_nilto the arsenal]

What I would pay to spend 24 hours with Natalie Sawyer, that Sam Matterface is a lucky guy indeed.

[Japan Shaking All Over]

Just sign the guy and see how he does......we have less than two hours to get in somebody else


Welbeck would do well here. He has pace and we create a lot of chances.

Remember when everyone laughed at Sturridge going to Liverpool. Look how that turned out.

Welbeck was better than Sturridge at a younger age but Sturridge overtook Welbeck because he ended up being given an opportunity.

Give Welbeck that and he'd shine imo.

Still remember that season where he was played through the middle at Sunderland, he was excellent.

:bow: refuse it write him off.....just want him to sign and for us to have at least one more player up our sleeve....has anyone told Wumger we don't have a natural DM?

[Slacker]

We could have done with Sandro - ok Spud but he would have got over it. QPR will stay up signing the guys everyone else should have signed...

[1_nilto the arsenal]

When all is said and done, we have an England international who is Englands No 9 striker. And he will have the incentive to prove LVG wrong and give us 150%, he didnt want a loan move only pearmanet so lets give the guy a chance. He can be explosive and our next Ian Wright. Now I have got over the Falcao deal I think for 16 million we've got one over United. No way would Fergie have sold Wellbeck to us at his age, he still hasnt reached his prime/[potential. Welcome aboard Danny Boy!:jumpnana:

[Dein-machine]

i imagine the players are fucked off aswell. Imagine how Ozil & Sanchez feel after Wemger fed them a load of lies about wanting to achieve greater things. All you lot that slag of the likes of RVP & Nasri for leaving, can you now see why!
No ambition under Wenger

[Niall_Quinn]

When all is said and done, we have an England international who is Englands No 9 striker. And he will have the incentive to prove LVG wrong and give us 150%, he didnt want a loan move only pearmanet so lets give the guy a chance. He can be explosive and our next Ian Wright. Now I have got over the Falcao deal I think for 16 million we've got one over United. No way would Fergie have sold Wellbeck to us at his age, he still hasnt reached his prime/[potential. Welcome aboard Danny Boy!:jumpnana:

Really. No. Wrighty was a superb striker, one of the best to ever play the game. Welbeck isn't within 10 tiers of Wright. Forget about that if it's what you are hoping to see. But I suppose you are right about the fact he's here now and what's done is done. Through gritted teeth, on we go.

[Niall_Quinn]

Rory Smith on 5Live said Wenget told him Monreal was your backup CB.

The worst player you could possibly pick to play CB - so this makes sense in many ways.

[1_nilto the arsenal]

I think Wellbeck will prove to be a shrewd signing, would have been nice to have a DM and CD as well.

[1_nilto the arsenal]

Welbeck would do well here. He has pace and we create a lot of chances.

Remember when everyone laughed at Sturridge going to Liverpool. Look how that turned out.

Welbeck was better than Sturridge at a younger age but Sturridge overtook Welbeck because he ended up being given an opportunity.

Give Welbeck that and he'd shine imo.

Still remember that season where he was played through the middle at Sunderland, he was excellent.

Agreed 100% good post!

[Niall_Quinn]

Welbeck would do well here. He has pace and we create a lot of chances.

Remember when everyone laughed at Sturridge going to Liverpool. Look how that turned out.

Welbeck was better than Sturridge at a younger age but Sturridge overtook Welbeck because he ended up being given an opportunity.

Give Welbeck that and he'd shine imo.

Still remember that season where he was played through the middle at Sunderland, he was excellent.

Yeah, he was probably playing for a crap manager who couldn't do anything more intelligent than pick the right players in the right position. We have Wenger who is much, much cleverer than that.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

We need a player that has pace and presses opposition defenders.

He does that.

It's all about systems and he'd flourish in ours. Sturridge was crap at Chelsea but quality at Liverpool. Why? Because he fits into their system.

Excellent signing.

[1_nilto the arsenal]

I can go to bed quite happy now, all started badly but in the end we have a proven striker who is an English international. Shit Leeds sold McCormack to Fulham for 12 Mill and Blackburn were holding out for 15 mill for Jordan Rhodes. We paid 16 mill for Calum so this has to be a great deal guys. he will score and he is 100 times better than Sanogo and will get better, cant wait to play Man Ure at OT and Wellbeck scores the winning goal.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

ten minutes to go, hoping for a broken fax machine....anything, anything that can stop this travesty of a deal going through

[McNamara That Ghost...]

"Fuck her right in the pussy!"

:haha:

Villa fans. :bow:

[Niall_Quinn]

Villa fans :haha:

The onus is on ALL fans to do the same now.

[fakeyank]

Sanogo should play DM

[1_nilto the arsenal]

"Fuck her right in the pussy!"

:haha:

Villa fans. :bow:

OMG, is that what they chanted behind the reporter? Fucking dirty northern bastads.

Just saw that rubber dolly on SSN , LOL its getting kinky out there.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

The Chairman is on SSN. :bow:

[McNamara That Ghost...]

OMG, is that what they chanted behind the reporter? Fucking dirty northern bastads.

And they had a blow-up doll. :haha:

[Niall_Quinn]

Why is Jim White screaming at that perplexed guy?

[1_nilto the arsenal]

OMG, is that what they chanted behind the reporter? Fucking dirty northern bastads.

Just saw that rubber dolly on SSN , LOL its getting kinky out there.

Breaking news! Sanogo to go on Loan to Walthamstow United :)

[1_nilto the arsenal]

Who ate all the Pies Tony! Jeez this guy loves the cameras more than Crooknapp.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Breaking news! Sanogo to go on Loan to Walthamstow United :)

you mean spurs?

[Niall_Quinn]

We've applied for an extension.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

We've extended the deadline to get the Welbz signing over the line. :lol:

How did Geraint get in to the stadium? :unsure:

[LDG]

I'm guessing if Falcao doesn't sign up, then Welbeck stays put.

Let's just hop Falcao opts to join us, Utd keep Welbeck, and we all go to sleep.

[Niall_Quinn]

We got the extension. 2 more hours to go - at least. Boring shite.

Welbeck will have signed by the morning.

[Niall_Quinn]

I'm guessing if Falcao doesn't sign up, then Welbeck stays put.

Let's just hop Falcao opts to join us, Utd keep Welbeck, and we all go to sleep.

They've got an extension too.

In other words, take as long as you like lads. Both deals will be done.

[Niall_Quinn]

WINDOW SLAMS SHUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Jim White Day over for another summer

Jim White sounds like he is following the advice of that Villa fan.

[Kano]

so united fans saw welbeck as the potential future striker to lead their line and are not pleased that they have three strikers fast approaching thirty. makes perfect sense for lvg. he never had a plan to stick around for long, so 2/3 years tops, get what he can out of the attack heavy squad, maybe win a cup or two and he's outta there.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

We've applied for an extension.

let's hope that whoever is in charge or approving or rejecting the application is an arsenal fan and rejects it

[LDG]

We have no defenders :haha:

[1_nilto the arsenal]

We have no defenders :haha:

We'll hopefully go back to the old Wenger days of we'll score more goals than you!

[Marc Overmars]

Hurry up Welbz, I need to get some sleep.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

We'll hopefully go back to the old Wenger days of we'll score more goals than you!

That's the point of football tbf.

[Bumble]

We'll hopefully go back to the old Wenger days of we'll score more goals than you!
Can you imagine us playing United it could be 10-10 if we pick up a couple of defensive injuries.

[1_nilto the arsenal]

Watching this video has really changed my perception even more on Welbeck. We have a quality striker indeed, sorry Wenger for slating you all day.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xwz3VGuehnM

[PGFC]

:(

[McNamara That Ghost...]

'Ammers have signed Amalfitano.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

We'll hopefully go back to the old Wenger days of we'll score more goals than you!

with wellbeck and sanogo?

[1_nilto the arsenal]

Welbeck with give us something we've never had, a no 9 striker. Who can play centrally with ease and put the ball in the back of the net. He takes his chances well and has an abundance of pace, we've done gone good business lads, albeit we should have signed a defender and midfield general.

[LDG]

'Arry :haha:

Kranjcar again :haha:

:arry:

[McNamara That Ghost...]

'Arry interview. :rolleyes:

[McNamara That Ghost...]

http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/live-experience/cps/624/media/images/77316000/jpg/_77316146_023714531.jpg

Wenget there tapping up Maradona, maybe. :bow:

[LDG]

Smudger says Falcao has failed a medical, and that Welbz may fall through....

[fakeyank]

Havent seen Welbeck on Arsenal.com, so its not true.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

:lol:

All this transfer saga stuff never ends. Power nap time.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Smudger says Falcao has failed a medical, and that Welbz may fall through....

GO ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[1_nilto the arsenal]

Really??

[Munchies]

Rumours that Falcao has failed his medical (via @9smudge ). Could be holding up Welbeck deal.

Alan smith's twitter
https://twitter.com/9smudge

:haha:

[1_nilto the arsenal]

Lol, we may end up gettting Welbeck and Falcao :)

[Munchies]

@JamesRobsonMEN
https://twitter.com/JamesRobsonMEN/status/506575627215179776
no truth in rumours falcao has failed medical #mufc

Oh well lol

[The Emirates Gallactico]

lol if we end up getting Welbeck and United miss out on Falcao.


Worth tolerating Welbeck just to see the Mancs despair.

[adzzzbatch]

sunderland was after welshit too, more there level than ours.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

Very excited with Welbeck. This kid will do well.

[The Emirates Gallactico]

The only hope is that Ferguson persisted with him for so long so there must be something there.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

We've got a striker that will be harassing and pressing defenders.

No more shouting at our centre forward for standing in the centre circle with his tongue hanging out.

[Munchies]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=eyF4mmET88A

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

People doubting Welbeck need to read this thread

http://www.redcafe.net/threads/danny-welbeck-ssn-£16m-deal-to-arsenal-agreed.393916/page-63

[tpyo]

I am stoked if we get Wellbeck. Remember how internationals always fucked us up? RVP getting injured and whatnot? NOW Internationals are like free training for our English core. Sorted.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

He rejected Spurs

Instant legend

[Asthmatic Kitty]

Finally confirmed.

Was pretty disappointed when we were first linked, but I'm definitely warming to the idea now. Gotta remember that his lousy goalscoring record has a lot to do with playing out wide. If he fails we can just flog him to Sunderland et al. for a small loss in a few years. All the manc fans are pretty bummed he's leaving too, which is a great sign.

Anything that keeps Sanogo out the side is a massive win in my book.

[Dein-machine]

Done deal for Welbeck, in the end I couldn't bother whether he signed or not, just didn't want to go to bed without knowing.
We can all give a round of applause to our manager again who loves to do everything with two mins to go. I think he thinks it makes him look like the last player left at the poker table - it's becoming just as important to him as the 4th place trophy.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

promotion for isaac hayden anyone?

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

Premier league winner and has world cup experience

Only 23 but has so much experience

We have some player on our hands

[AKBapologist]

Which of our strikers could have scored this?
http://t.co/rk2vOA4JjV

[Niall_Quinn]

Which of our strikers could have scored this?
http://t.co/rk2vOA4JjV

Any of them, excluding Sanogo. It's hit and hope. With Sanogo it would be miss and no hope.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Which of our strikers could have scored this?
http://t.co/rk2vOA4JjV

Welbeck.

[Niall_Quinn]

Welbeck.

It's still not right saying it. Will take time.

[alexander]

People doubting Welbeck need to read this thread

http://www.redcafe.net/threads/danny-welbeck-ssn-£16m-deal-to-arsenal-agreed.393916/page-63

They spent £150mil and are still annoyed that Welbeck left, maybe he is better than I thought.

[crashley]

Obviously most of the info coming out yesterday was utter bollocks, but I'd love to know what happened with Carvalho & Sokratis, arguably players that would really help us mount a title challenge. Were we ever in for them etc.

FFS

[Globalgunner]

Alderwiereld joins Southampton from Athletico......We need defenders and sit on our wallets instead. Best run business, worst run football club in the EPL

[AKBapologist]

Dispite the lack of CDM, this has probably been our best transfer window under wengers reign. We've upgraded every position we've lost players in, and brought more senior players in than we've lost.

Between Sanchez and welbeck we might have a gem in there too...

Shame about Carvaliho and Schinderlin. 3rd party ownership scuppered the former while Southampton I just didn't want to sell the other.

Hopefully Coqcoilin and Bellerin step up.

[Penguin]

Obviously most of the info coming out yesterday was utter bollocks, but I'd love to know what happened with Carvalho & Sokratis, arguably players that would really help us mount a title challenge. Were we ever in for them etc.

FFS

No we weren't.

[Japan Shaking All Over]

Not against Welbecks signing.......with a position to make his own week in week out it could work out but he's not the sudden game winner bagger I was hoping for but I am keeping my fingers crossed and not too disappointed.....what I am disappointed with and it happens time and time again, after being linked with so many we didn't bring in a replacement at the back and a DM of quality.

Fuck I would have taken Reid if it meant having someone back there to cover, why didn't we go for Richards on loan (and don't say because he is shit!) because we need some kind if cover..:.love Chambers but he is not a machine and we have a full season ahead

[Gooner23]

Maybe we're hoping to muddle through the first half of the season with 6 senior defenders (7 if Bellerin gets promoted) and the old timers in holding mid. It's not great, but nothing can be done now.

Priority in Jan is to go out and buy a back-up CB and the best young holding mid we can find though.

[Zerlathon]

Maybe we're hoping to muddle through the first half of the season with 6 senior defenders (7 if Bellerin gets promoted) and the old timers in holding mid. It's not great, but nothing can be done now.

Priority in Jan is to go out and buy a back-up CB and the best young holding mid we can find though.

if we can keep Kos & BFG fit, then I wouldn't be overly surprised if Chambers plays the DM role (which in all honesty, I believe is a good thing).

I know some people have reservations about Welbeck (myself included), but I do have a feeling that he may well do a "Sturridge" and shine for us.

I always felt that the main problem we had was that our spearhead for the attack was a HOLDING player, and not 1 that would pressure Defenders. This meant that Ozil's only real outlet was Walcott, and I don't believe that it was a mere coincidence that Ozil's form plummeted when Walcott's Season ended prematurely.

With the purchases that we have made this window, I think Wenger is very much looking to build the Team around Ozil and providing him with a pacey forward line to run at the defence and make the most of his through balls.

I wouldn't be overly surprised to see the team look like this when all are fit:

Chez
Debz - BFG - Kos - Gibbs
Chambers
Ozil - Ramsey
Wally - Welbeck - Sanchez

Personally, I don't think that's a bad line-up. My only concern is that this is solely dependant on Walcott continuing with his prior form, Welbeck achieving the potential that he was believed to have had and Sanchez continuing his swift transition to the EPL.

[Asthmatic Kitty]

I do have a feeling that he may well do a "Sturridge" and shine for us.

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[Dein-machine]

Having had a sleepless night trying to fathom out how well paid people at our club could make our transfer dealings any more ridiculous, I am now resigned to the fact that it is what it is.
On the plus side we have spent near on £80 mill this window. We got back £15 mill for Tommy & I would imagine that £65 mill is seen as a decent spend by most of us. We don't have a suger daddy like the Chavs or Gypos & do not use other peoples money when we can't pay it back, like United. There has been a figure of £70 mill banded around for us this window, if thats the case then we can't have done much more yesterday.
The problem for me though is the reluctance to add to areas where we have obvious weakness, in the squad as well as the starting line up. Starting line up wise, I am still convinced we need a quality left back, Defensive midfielder & a goal scorer. Squad wise we need CB cover & another box to box midfleder incase of injury to Rambo.
We have really only added strength to the squad with the additions of Sanchez & Welbeck. Ospina, Chambers & Debauchy are replacements, not additions.
I quite like to look of Sanchex,Welbeck & Walcott in attack with Rambo & Ozil in behind - would be better with a proven goalscorer but lets see what Welbeck can do. If money wasn't the issue yesterday I would have liked to got either Carvalho or Schneiderlein in for the DM role & we should be beating the likes of Southampton to the signing of Alderweild - can't quite believe we didn't push for that one.

[Özim]

Think these signings confirm the sum of our ambition is 4th place, we won't have enough to win the major trophies, you don't with players like Wellbeck and Debuchy.

It's been an OK summer, I'm not bowled over by the signings, Sanchez was a great one but other than that not overly impressive, seems to be a bit more about quantity rather than quality, I personally feel we could have spent a bit better than we have if you look at the players who move around this summer.

As always though Wenger has his methods and they're always different from what other people think should be done, he doesn't like to follow the logical methods.

[Globalgunner]

Think these signings confirm the sum of our ambition is 4th place, we won't have enough to win the major trophies, you don't with players like Wellbeck and Debuchy.

It's been an OK summer, I'm not bowled over by the signings, Sanchez was a great one but other than that not overly impressive, seems to be a bit more about quantity rather than quality, I personally feel we could have spent a bit better than we have if you look at the players who move around this summer.

As always though Wenger has his methods and they're always different from what other people think should be done, he doesn't like to follow the fathomable methods.

Much better!

[Blink 1nce Quince 2wice]

Debucy, Chambers and Ospina you can argue were all replacements that needed to be made else our sanity needed checking so I tend not to look so much at the fact we spent just under 80 million this summer.

I would like to understand Wenger's real reasons for not being that hot on Remy....which we may never find out. It isn't just money either. We managed to convince ourselves that Sanchez was our central forward.....and kept hold of it even after he was hauled off at half time the other day.... Now Wenger spends 17 pieces of silver on another DEFINITE Centre forward rather than a wide player.

Gutted we didn't get Carvalho.

[fakeyank]

if we can keep Kos & BFG fit, then I wouldn't be overly surprised if Chambers plays the DM role (which in all honesty, I believe is a good thing).

I know some people have reservations about Welbeck (myself included), but I do have a feeling that he may well do a "Sturridge" and shine for us.

I always felt that the main problem we had was that our spearhead for the attack was a HOLDING player, and not 1 that would pressure Defenders. This meant that Ozil's only real outlet was Walcott, and I don't believe that it was a mere coincidence that Ozil's form plummeted when Walcott's Season ended prematurely.

With the purchases that we have made this window, I think Wenger is very much looking to build the Team around Ozil and providing him with a pacey forward line to run at the defence and make the most of his through balls.

I wouldn't be overly surprised to see the team look like this when all are fit:

Chez
Debz - BFG - Kos - Gibbs
Chambers
Ozil - Ramsey
Wally - Welbeck - Sanchez

Personally, I don't think that's a bad line-up. My only concern is that this is solely dependant on Walcott continuing with his prior form, Welbeck achieving the potential that he was believed to have had and Sanchez continuing his swift transition to the EPL.

I'd put Santi ahead of Ozil on performances. Ozil only plays because we paid a bazillion dollars for him. I would also play Ox instead of Chambers when we play the bottom half teams.

[Penguin]

I agree about Cazorla. Let him and Ozil fight for the same spot and get picked on form and at the moment that's Santi.

Ox as DM? No thanks :lol:

[Zerlathon]

I'd put Santi ahead of Ozil on performances. Ozil only plays because we paid a bazillion dollars for him. I would also play Ox instead of Chambers when we play the bottom half teams.

I agree that at the moment, Cazorla is ahead of Ozil in terms of current form and there will obviously be rotation (due to injuries, fatigue, etc) as games go by.

I agree with Penguin, Ox is in no way, shpe or form a DM.

[fakeyank]

I agree about Cazorla. Let him and Ozil fight for the same spot and get picked on form and at the moment that's Santi.

Ox as DM? No thanks :lol:

I am saying.. we dont need a DM against the smaller teams. Ramsey, Ox and Santi can do the job combined.

[Penguin]

We need a DM against everyone. The smaller teams get most of their chances against us from counter attacks, so we need one back to make up the numbers and to break down their attacks.

[Power n Glory]

We need a DM against everyone. The smaller teams get most of their chances against us from counter attacks, so we need one back to make up the numbers and to break down their attacks.

Indeed.

[fakeyank]

We need a DM against everyone. The smaller teams get most of their chances against us from counter attacks, so we need one back to make up the numbers and to break down their attacks.

I dont agree with this completely. If we stop playing a super high line then this can be mitigated against the lone forwards or runners from other teams. Let the creative players do what they are supposed to do. When the full backs move forward, have the CB's and a couple of the midfielders stay a little deep. I still think we will tippy tappy all day, but may be one of the 6 midfielders/forwards will get behind the opposition defense.

[Penguin]

Then why does every top team use a DM against the 'small' teams? Even Guardiola's Barca and Bayern use a DM, and they hardly ever lose the ball! :lol:

Playing someone like Ox at DM won't make a difference in our ability to break down defenses, so it's hard to justify dropping a DM who will give us much more assurance defensively.

[KSE Comedy Club]

I am also intrigued as to why Campbell doesn't really seem to be in wengers plans. If reports are true we tried to offer him to Lisbon with cash for carvalho & a deal for him nearly went through with benfica but wenger changed his mind at the last minute ad wanted to keep him as a backup forward.

[Syn]

Only 3 games in. Wenger usually puts new forwards into a fitness bootcamp to toughen them up. Only 3 games in. Wenger kept saying he wanted to keep Campbell and since we're well stocked in that position, he had no reason to keep him if he doesn't rate him. Only 3 games in.

[Dein-machine]

Then why does every top team use a DM against the 'small' teams? Even Guardiola's Barca and Bayern use a DM, and they hardly ever lose the ball! :lol:

Playing someone like Ox at DM won't make a difference in our ability to break down defenses, so it's hard to justify dropping a DM who will give us much more assurance defensively.

Barca & Bayern play with very attacking full backs, so they need that extra cover. We don't. Most smaller teams come to the Emirates & play 1 up top, I know our defence are poor at times but are you saying our back 4 can't handle 1 or 2 strikers. We don't even need 4 at the back at times but to have a DM in those games is rubbish tactics. It simply means we have 1 less player in attacking positions & the reason we spend 60% of the game fucking about with the ball 30 yards from goal unable to get in behind teams - this has been happening for a few years now. If we gonna play a DM then we need our full backs to attack all game. Imagine the Everton game if we had swapped full backs from the start. We only got our full backs moving forward when we were 2-0 down & guess what happened - we looked more of an attacking threat. If we started games like this you might find us 2 or 3 up by half time like the good old days, rather than chasing a game or beating pub teams like Palace at home with the last kick of the game.

[Niall_Quinn]

I am also intrigued as to why Campbell doesn't really seem to be in wengers plans. If reports are true we tried to offer him to Lisbon with cash for carvalho & a deal for him nearly went through with benfica but wenger changed his mind at the last minute ad wanted to keep him as a backup forward.

Might have something to do with Park leaving. Recently Wenger has needed a player who's career he can totally destroy for no apparent reason. I think Campbell may be the man to fill the void left by Park.

[Penguin]

Barca & Bayern play with very attacking full backs, so they need that extra cover. We don't. Most smaller teams come to the Emirates & play 1 up top, I know our defence are poor at times but are you saying our back 4 can't handle 1 or 2 strikers. We don't even need 4 at the back at times but to have a DM in those games is rubbish tactics. It simply means we have 1 less player in attacking positions & the reason we spend 60% of the game fucking about with the ball 30 yards from goal unable to get in behind teams - this has been happening for a few years now. If we gonna play a DM then we need our full backs to attack all game. Imagine the Everton game if we had swapped full backs from the start. We only got our full backs moving forward when we were 2-0 down & guess what happened - we looked more of an attacking threat. If we started games like this you might find us 2 or 3 up by half time like the good old days, rather than chasing a game or beating pub teams like Palace at home with the last kick of the game.

Even if teams play with one striker they never counter with just one player. That's the whole point of counter attacks - the quick transition between defense and attack, with two or three other players anticipating it and bursting forward quicker than our midfielders.
When we attack one of our fullbacks goes up too, depending on which side we're attacking. With the way Ramsey plays he is normally high up the pitch too when the opponents win the ball from us. So during a counter attack we usually have the 2 CBs, 1 fullback and the DM back. We can easily get into 3v4 (their attackers vs our defenders) or 4v4 situations, and we did last season and every season before that.

Our defenders are good enough to defend against an equal number of attackers, but remember it is much harder to defend when you're running backwards. Taking away the DM in those situations is just suicide. Even the 'shit' teams can mess you up if you give them the chance, so why give them the chance?

Our inability to break teams down has nothing to do with playing a DM. The invincibles side was one of the best attacking sides I've ever seen and that was with Gilberto Silva, the most passive of all DMs as a regular in the side. The reason we can't break down teams is because we play a stale brand of slow-paced possession football without enough inventiveness, directness or risk-taking in the final third. Adding another attacker won't change that, it will just make us weaker defensively.


to have a DM in those games is rubbish tactics
If it's 'rubbish tactics', why does every top team play with a DM?

[KSE Comedy Club]

Might have something to do with Park leaving. Recently Wenger has needed a player who's career he can totally destroy for no apparent reason. I think Campbell may be the man to fill the void left by Park.

Ah I see, so joint career destruction alongside Ozil then.

[Dein-machine]

Even if teams play with one striker they never counter with just one player. That's the whole point of counter attacks - the quick transition between defense and attack, with two or three other players anticipating it and bursting forward quicker than our midfielders.
When we attack one of our fullbacks goes up too, depending on which side we're attacking. With the way Ramsey plays he is normally high up the pitch too when the opponents win the ball from us. So during a counter attack we usually have the 2 CBs, 1 fullback and the DM back. We can easily get into 3v4 (their attackers vs our defenders) or 4v4 situations, and we did last season and every season before that.

Our defenders are good enough to defend against an equal number of attackers, but remember it is much harder to defend when you're running backwards. Taking away the DM in those situations is just suicide. Even the 'shit' teams can mess you up if you give them the chance, so why give them the chance?

Our inability to break teams down has nothing to do with playing a DM. The invincibles side was one of the best attacking sides I've ever seen and that was with Gilberto Silva, the most passive of all DMs as a regular in the side. The reason we can't break down teams is because we play a stale brand of slow-paced possession football without enough inventiveness, directness or risk-taking in the final third. Adding another attacker won't change that, it will just make us weaker defensively.


If it's 'rubbish tactics', why does every top team play with a DM?

Firstly, every top teams that plays a DM "every game" will play with attacking full backs "every game". We don't.

When teams counter us at the Emirates they are under strict instruction to not loose shape & numbers at the back. If you look at the Palace game, even when they countered with a hoof up to the striker, they really only had Chamakh, Puncheon & Bolassie joining in. But they would have had to run half the length of the pitch as well because they were behind the ball when our move broke down. That's why a couple of hard working midfielders, like Rambo & Santi will have also run back tracking the Palace midfield. Even when smaller teams counter at the Emirates, we still have enough no's to deal with it because they will never over commit. Bit different when we play the likes of City & Liverpool.
Watch the game again & see what Arteta did. He spent 80% of his time picking the ball of Kos & Chambers from 10 yards away & then passing it 10 yards to Rambo or Jack - total waste of time, Kos & Chambers should have been playing those balls, they had no one on them. Arteta simply slows us down getting the ball forward.

You mention Silva in the Invincible side, but look at the forward contributions from the likes of Cole & Lauren compared to that of Sagna & Gibbs. As I've said before DM every game all well & good if you play with attacking full backs, but not when you don't. We scored goals then because we ripped teams apart in numbers & dragging defences all over the place. This is because Cole & Lauren pushed forward, dragging their full backs wide, leaving gaps for the likes of Henry, Pires & Freddy.
At the moment we are playing a DM without attacking full backs - that basically means that in the final 3rd of the pitch we will only have 5 guys max & that we will have to try & pass it down the middle due to lack of width to get anywhere. Any one that has watched us for a past few years knows that is exactly what we see week in, week out. Jacks wonder goal against Norwich sums up the way we try to play but it comes off once in a blue moon. The tippi tappi play around the box is also the NO 1 reason for teams to counter attack because we are trying to many passes to get anywhere & we therefore give the ball away more.

[Penguin]

I'm not sure what you mean when you say we don't play with attacking full backs. We've always had attacking full backs in Wenger's teams. Whatever side we are attacking in, the full back will come and join the attack on that side, and that's a tactic that hasn't changed since the day Wenger joined the club. Clichy, Eboue, Gibbs, they all love getting forward. Debuchy bombs up and down the flank tirelessly. Sagna was probably the most 'defensive' one but he was always an outlet on the right and I wouldn't be surprised if he has the highest number of crosses into the box of any Arsenal player in the last decade. It could be argued that the current lot aren't good enough at attacking, which might be true, but that doesn't make a difference to what we're debating. They will still be on the wrong side of the pitch to defend the counter attack.

Basically we agree that the underlying problem is the tippy-tappy football we play. I still haven't figured out why you think adding another body to our attack will change that though. Playing Ox, Santi or whoever instead of a DM won't magically transform us into Real Madrid. We'll still play exactly the same way, pussyfooting around their ten man wall but we'll leave ourselves even more vulnerable on the break.

The likes of Real Madrid and Barca use DMs in every game, and they steamroll 90% of the teams in La Liga. We're in the Premier League where anyone can take points off the big teams. I'll stick to the tried and tested DM thanks.

[Master Splinter]

Only 3 games in. Wenger usually puts new forwards into a fitness bootcamp to toughen them up. Only 3 games in. Wenger kept saying he wanted to keep Campbell and since we're well stocked in that position, he had no reason to keep him if he doesn't rate him. Only 3 games in.

No.

Wemger hates him has put a contract out on his mum.

[Power n Glory]

I'm not sure what you mean when you say we don't play with attacking full backs. We've always had attacking full backs in Wenger's teams. Whatever side we are attacking in, the full back will come and join the attack on that side, and that's a tactic that hasn't changed since the day Wenger joined the club. Clichy, Eboue, Gibbs, they all love getting forward. Debuchy bombs up and down the flank tirelessly. Sagna was probably the most 'defensive' one but he was always an outlet on the right and I wouldn't be surprised if he has the highest number of crosses into the box of any Arsenal player in the last decade. It could be argued that the current lot aren't good enough at attacking, which might be true, but that doesn't make a difference to what we're debating. They will still be on the wrong side of the pitch to defend the counter attack.

Basically we agree that the underlying problem is the tippy-tappy football we play. I still haven't figured out why you think adding another body to our attack will change that though. Playing Ox, Santi or whoever instead of a DM won't magically transform us into Real Madrid. We'll still play exactly the same way, pussyfooting around their ten man wall but we'll leave ourselves even more vulnerable on the break.

The likes of Real Madrid and Barca use DMs in every game, and they steamroll 90% of the teams in La Liga. We're in the Premier League where anyone can take points off the big teams. I'll stick to the tried and tested DM thanks.

Agreed. An extra body up top won't stop the clutter in the middle. Just look at Ramsey and Wilshere when playing together and then throw in Cazorla and Ozil. It's a bad balance. Too many passers to feet and not enough players with smart off the ball movement and willing to take risks. There is a reason why Theo and Ramsey are our top scorers. They make the off the ball runs into space and are always looking for a chance on goal.

The issue with the DM and fullbacks is just a quality issue. Our fullbacks are attacking(always have been as you rightly say) and with Monreal and Debuchy, I'd argue we are likely to see more quality from their crosses. But they're still not the quickest off the mark and that's probably why they don't seem all that effective when going forward. We need quicker overlaps to help break down teams.

The DM position is another quality issue. If we had someone comfortable on the ball and able to navigate there way into open space intelligently, able to make the smart pass, it frees up the players ahead of him and they'd be more confident going forwards knowing that the DM won't buckle user pressure. It would be nice if he had the type of player that can spin off his man with ease and then lay the ball off. It's a real shame we haven't addressed this issue but I'm hoping Wenger gives Coquelin a chance this season and he really performs.

[Injury Time]

So maybe he wasn't the Messiah, just being linked to us has caused injury...
http://hereisthecity.com/en-gb/2014/09/02/arsenals-lucky-escape-as-24m-man-injured-one-day-after-transfer/?

[mr_brighterside]

not sure if this is the place for this but a few sites on Newsnow reckon we could be in for Cavani.

not being cheap but would want him for less than PSG paid!

[selassie]

not sure if this is the place for this but a few sites on Newsnow reckon we could be in for Cavani.

not being cheap but would want him for less than PSG paid!

It's just paper talk IMO, Cavani would cost an arm and leg in both fees and wages. We could afford him but I am not so sure Wenger sees signing a striker as a priority now that he signed Welbeck.