Summer Transfer Speculation and Shit

[Power n Glory]

i dont get it

why refuse to pay £28m for higuain when we've bid £30m for suarez

is suarez really that much better? that much to haggle and cause a nuisance?

higuain wants out. he's a world class player. realistic wages.

ffs we're run by idiots

I guess it boils down to the quality of the player. Suarez seems like a one man wrecking machine. I don't think you could put Higuain in a team like Liverpool's and get such performances. I guess their just waiting to see what's available. If we splash the bulk on Higuain and then find Saurez or Rooney are available, they'd probably be pissed.

But this could all be smoke and mirrors as usual.

[Power n Glory]

At this point I don't even care anymore, it's clear our manager has become some what of a coward. He's happy with the minimum pressure/expectations to just qualify for the CL and make out the group stages.

After every season, he can get patted on the back for qualifying for the CL, and he can gloat, and tell everyone, what a wonderful job he did. With a team that cost so much more less than City, Chelsea, United etc. And how he's gonna try and bring some top class players for the next season.

It's tedious and even if we're playing the waiting game with the strikers, I think we need to conduct business in other areas to show our intent and strengthen the squad. Potential players could be watching our moves and weighing up how serious we are about winning. We could potentially wait all summer for Higuain, Rooney or Suarez and when it comes to the crunch they may just turn us down because we haven't done much else.

[Özim]

It's tedious and even if we're playing the waiting game with the strikers, I think we need to conduct business in other areas to show our intent and strengthen the squad. Potential players could be watching our moves and weighing up how serious we are about winning. We could potentially wait all summer for Higuain, Rooney or Suarez and when it comes to the crunch they may just turn us down because we haven't done much else.
There's not much other business to be done, only 1 or 2 players remember!

[Niall_Quinn]

That's no argument. The reason shits changed because of tolerance levels and what's deemed as acceptable and what we turn a blind eye too. What's the difference between Suarez trying to wind up a player and a crowed in Italy, Spain or Eastern Europe shouting racist chants to throw a star player of their game? If you have no problem with Suarez coming here, then you must be able to understand why FIFA do very little to combat racist chants and hand out petty fines. Self interest is what it boils down to.

I doubt we'll sign him and if we did, Wenger would have to speak with the squad about it first. He comes with baggage. Saying that, it might do him some good to be here.

So let's sit every player down and have them do a series of morality and correct thinking tests - the ones who pass we can sign. Suarez is a racist because he's the one picked out from the crowd. We also need to urgently interrogate the players who are already at the club to ensure they think the right way. Except the black players, they are automatically not racist.

[Niall_Quinn]

http://news.arseblog.com/2013/07/wenger-looking-for-quality-not-quantity/

Interesting.

This will be the new virtual trophy will it? Stability. It's all very convenient.

[Niall_Quinn]

It's tedious and even if we're playing the waiting game with the strikers, I think we need to conduct business in other areas to show our intent and strengthen the squad. Potential players could be watching our moves and weighing up how serious we are about winning. We could potentially wait all summer for Higuain, Rooney or Suarez and when it comes to the crunch they may just turn us down because we haven't done much else.

So forget Rooney - that was never happening. He wants a quarter of a million a week, we won't pay that and quite rightly so. It's a ridiculous and unjustified wage for a player that blows hot and cold. A £30mill bid for Suarez, if it even happened, is also silly. We're just testing the resolve of Liverpool and seeing if the player will jump. The bid's not serious at the moment and the wages would be prohibitive again. Higuain seemed more realistic but we'll probably haggle that one all the way to the finish line, or up until the point somebody else sweeps in and gets the deal done. We're haggling in a market where the seller doesn't have to play along. Every year it's unimaginable we don't do something to genuinely strengthen the squad. It will be just as crazy this year if we go into the season weak in the key positions but it's looking increasingly likely that's what's intended.

[hobson's choice]

Every year it's unimaginable we don't do something to genuinely strengthen the squad. It will be just as crazy this year if we go into the season weak in the key positions but it's looking increasingly likely that's what's intended.

Lucky for us, United has a new manager and Spurs well are Spurs, so we'll worm our to 3rd or 4th again. Us qualifying for CL these past couple of seasons, has had a lot to do with other teams around us, fuck ups, more so than our quality. But they'll take it, and congratulate themselves for it.

heh

[Power n Glory]

So let's sit every player down and have them do a series of morality and correct thinking tests - the ones who pass we can sign. Suarez is a racist because he's the one picked out from the crowd. We also need to urgently interrogate the players who are already at the club to ensure they think the right way. Except the black players, they are automatically not racist.

I just said you were talking shit regarding the MLk comparison and real racism. Signing Suarez is something different.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

Yes, yes he is.

im not sure wenger would spend £40m on a player though.

suarez isnt going for a penny less.

wenger will never spend that much on him, deep down he knows it, so im not sure why he's wasting his time and possibly losing out on higuain.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

http://news.arseblog.com/2013/07/wenger-looking-for-quality-not-quantity/

Interesting.

“We are coming out of that period and I hope in the next two or three years the club will be competing for the Premier League.”

:haha: :haha:

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

I guess it boils down to the quality of the player. Suarez seems like a one man wrecking machine. I don't think you could put Higuain in a team like Liverpool's and get such performances. I guess their just waiting to see what's available. If we splash the bulk on Higuain and then find Saurez or Rooney are available, they'd probably be pissed.

But this could all be smoke and mirrors as usual.

im not sure he's worth £12m more than higuain though when as you say, he has so much baggage.

quality player, no doubt about it, but when you've got the choice of higuain at £28m or suarez at £40m (minimum), higuain seems like a better choice.

deep down we know suarez will probably be off in 3 years time because he'll want to win trophies. we'll just be another stepping stone for his dream move to madrid, which all south american players want in their career, because of the cultural affinity and reputation that club has in south america.

at least with higuain he's won trophies with an elite so he might be more accepting of a communitarian club where he can call wenger his dad for the next 10 years, like most our players seem to do.

[Kano]

All he has to do is go out and spends some f*cking money for a change, then nobody will be able to come out with sh*t like this and make it sound believable tbh.
i'm sure they will - but it's the quality of player we get that will be the issue.

i am not about to cherry pick stories from the media to believe in. i didn't buy the ancelotti/higuain thing at all and look what happened. so i'm not buying some little prick from goal.com writing a few paragraphs making shit up.

if theres a press conference with an announcement or its on the website, then i'm in. whether wenger spends money or not, they'll speculate about something, anything to keep their page hits up, to keep people on their site. there's no exclusivity about arsenal - the money thing is just their angle on our club. utd's is moyes being a newbie, city is squad upheavel and chelsea they have they tongue firmly shoved up the smug ****s arse for now. spurs is they need strikers.

fuck believing any of this shit until it actually tangibly means something.

[Özil's Panoramic View]

Arsene Wenger has admitted that if Arsenal do not end their trophy drought in the next "one or two years" his strategy for the club will have failed.
The Gunners have not won anything since 2005, but team boss Wenger called on supporters to rally behind his team.
"If we do not deliver in one or two years I will be responsible," said the Frenchman, whose contract runs to 2011.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/a/arsenal/8051143.stm

That's a 4 year old article. :haha:

Similar shit being repeated now.

When will this stale bastard fuck off?

[Cripps_orig]

As a great man once said

"Same old shit"

Wenger is embarrassing and the day he leaves will be for me the greatest day in Arsenal history

[Özim]

i'm sure they will - but it's the quality of player we get that will be the issue.

i am not about to cherry pick stories from the media to believe in. i didn't buy the ancelotti/higuain thing at all and look what happened. so i'm not buying some little prick from goal.com writing a few paragraphs making shit up.

if theres a press conference with an announcement or its on the website, then i'm in. whether wenger spends money or not, they'll speculate about something, anything to keep their page hits up, to keep people on their site. there's no exclusivity about arsenal - the money thing is just their angle on our club. utd's is moyes being a newbie, city is squad upheavel and chelsea they have they tongue firmly shoved up the smug ****s arse for now. spurs is they need strikers.

fuck believing any of this shit until it actually tangibly means something.
I agree with you to some extent, but the lack of spending on quality has been something that has occurred regularly in the recent past, this article may well be BS but it's basically confirming what we already know in reality. Wenger has some sort of issue with spending money on proven quality players, he wants to eat caviar but only if it's available at fast food prices.

[Özim]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/a/arsenal/8051143.stm

That's a 4 year old article. :haha:

Similar shit being repeated now.

When will this stale bastard fuck off?
If someone asked him, he'd no doubt worm his way out of it by using Man City or some other excuse. I don't think the guy is very honest and the way he conducts his business with regards the fans lacks integrity IMO.

[Xhaka Can’t]

As a great man once said

"Same old shit"

Wenger is embarrassing and the day he leaves will be for me the greatest day in Arsenal history

:haha:

[bunsco]

That's no argument. The reason shits changed because of tolerance levels and what's deemed as acceptable and what we turn a blind eye too. What's the difference between Suarez trying to wind up a player and a crowed in Italy, Spain or Eastern Europe shouting racist chants to throw a star player of their game? If you have no problem with Suarez coming here, then you must be able to understand why FIFA do very little to combat racist chants and hand out petty fines. Self interest is what it boils down to.


So very true.

[bunsco]

Suarez is better than Higuain for sure and he's Prem Proven. So if Wenger thinks he could get Suarez then he's gonna try.

Not 10 - 15 million better.

Defo a case of some not knowing just how good Higuain actually is.

There is a good reason why some commentators see him (along with a couple more signings) as perfect to solving most of arsenals problems and turning us into 'contenders'.

[Syn]

Not 10 - 15 million better.

Defo a case of some not knowing just how good Higuain actually is.

There is a good reason why some commentators see him (along with a couple more signings) as perfect to solving most of arsenals problems and turning us into 'contenders'.

He is 10-15m better. Completely different league. Higuain is awesome but Suarez has proven he can pretty much carry a team. Put Higuain at Liverpool and I think they would struggle to finish in the top half.

But it's irrelevant because we've got no chance of signing Suarez. Chelsea will always outbid and out pay us. We seemingly had a chance of signing Higuain but it has gone ominously quiet on that front. Still think we'll break our transfer record on a striker. But just don't know who.

[Özil's Panoramic View]

As a great man once said

"Same old shit"

Wenger is embarrassing and the day he leaves will be for me the greatest day in Arsenal history

Agreed. The man has become a cult leader; the kind that would draw the envy of Stalin, Der Fuehrer and other totalitarian leaders. His ascendancy to godlike status has caused a toxic environment, where we've seen fans being bitterly pitted against each other, and more importantly, the reputation of the Club has been terribly damaged under his stewardship, as we're no longer seen as serious club by top players and almost everyone who has some football affiliation.

Ffs, another trophyless season or two, and it will be our most unsuccessful stint ever. At what point does his living on past glory cease?

[Xhaka Can’t]

envy of Stalin, Der Fuehrer and other totalitarian leaders

Maybe the envy of Micheal Gove, but them?

You sound seriously disturbed.

[Master Splinter]

Key stage 3 history :bow:.

[Niall_Quinn]

So then, have we signed anyone yet?

[Özim]

So then, have we signed anyone yet?
Yes, the new Henry, Winnebago.

He looks really good, is quick, skilful, strong.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

Not 10 - 15 million better.

Defo a case of some not knowing just how good Higuain actually is.

There is a good reason why some commentators see him (along with a couple more signings) as perfect to solving most of arsenals problems and turning us into 'contenders'.

spot on

not 10-15m better. not in a different league. pretty much the same player but higuain has no baggage, has cheaper wages and costs less.

only charlie's would disagree.

time to close the higuain deal.

[Kano]

Key stage 3 history :bow:.
:lol:

[Syn]

Master Splinter, normally very stingy in giving out private details, has just revealed a big clue of his age bracket or his occupation. Very interesting indeed.

[bunsco]

He is 10-15m better. Completely different league. Higuain is awesome but Suarez has proven he can pretty much carry a team. Put Higuain at Liverpool and I think they would struggle to finish in the top .

Gotta admit it, Higuain couldn't have done that, but I think that's been our problem of far too long - having teams that relied heavily on one player.

Post invincibles (which relied a bit less on TH14) we've had teams that either relied largely on TH14, Fabregas or more recently RVP.

The successful teams - although having a 'main man' - play in a way that not everything necessarily has to goes through him, hence a variety of ways to win games.

For some reason, when we have a player having a stormer of a season, the rest seem to happily take a kind of backseat. then when they are missing for a while the team suddenly start playing like a toddler who's suddenly lost his/her mother in a crowded shopping centre .

We need a team with players that can take more of a equal responsibility. And I'd think Higuan (as well as being a bit awesome) fits more into that model better than Suarez.

[Japan Shaking All Over]

So then, have we signed anyone yet?

no by the looks of things.....which means I am going back to looking for both a job and flat :wave:

[Kano]

Master Splinter, normally very stingy in giving out private details, has just revealed a big clue of his age bracket or his occupation. Very interesting indeed.
that's definitely more reassuring that wondering why a grown man is so immersed in education for 13 year olds.

[Niall_Quinn]

that's definitely more reassuring that wondering why a grown man is so immersed in education for 13 year olds.

Lots to be learned from hanging around school gates you know.

[Kano]

drugs and weapons usually.

[Grebbo]

Not 10 - 15 million better.

Defo a case of some not knowing just how good Higuain actually is.

There is a good reason why some commentators see him (along with a couple more signings) as perfect to solving most of arsenals problems and turning us into 'contenders'.

He's a very good player and obviously much better than what we've got. But Suarez is better. PL proven and one of the star performers in the league. No settling in time required and no question marks as to how he'd perform - same cant be said for Higuain.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

There's no doubt to me that Suarez is more talented but he's also quite a rancid finisher so I dunno.

Sign them both, that would be good.

[Cripps_orig]

ARSENAL will take on Real Madrid this week with a £35million bid for Liverpool striker Luis Suarez.
Gunners boss Arsene Wenger is ready to spend big to land the bad-boy Uruguayan.
But Suarez, 26, who is serving a 10-match ban for biting Chelsea’s Branislav Ivanovic, is also wanted by new Madrid boss Carlo Ancelotti.
Arsenal already have a £23m deal in place for Real striker Gonzalo Higuain.
But Wenger has not pushed that through because he believes Suarez would be a better buy than either Higuain or Wayne Rooney.
Liverpool boss Brendan Rodgers wants to keep 30-goal hotshot Suarez, who signed a new £120,000-a-week contract only last year.
But Suarez revealed in yesterday’s SunSport that he wants to play Champions League football.
Liverpool want £40m for a player who cost £22.8m from Ajax in 2011.
Arsenal have yet to make an official bid. But that will change this week as Wenger wants to team Suarez with Jack Wilshere and Theo Walcott.

Read more: http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/5013648/Luis-Suarez-wanted-for-35m-by-Arsenal-and-Real-Madrid.html#ixzz2Z4BKqMej

No chance

[Niall_Quinn]

If any of that's true (and it's not because it's the Sun) Higuain should already be here. Let's say by some miracle we sign Suarez when Real want him. Why are they then going to let Higauin go? They must want another striker on the books if they are after Suarez. Way to play this is get Higuain in and then hijack the Suarez deal.

Mind you, crazy even talking about this because we aren't getting either. We aren't even getting Grant Holt because he's signed up for someone else now. Who's that other guy, Bent? Is he still available? Might as well get him. Or Crouch.

Wenger has ruined my life!

[Cripps_orig]

We will always have that dude from Burnley.

Charlie Austin I think

[Kano]

let's face it, we're not going up against real madrid at all for his signature. I would be surprised if they hit the market anymore after spending £60mill or so this summer, if anything they will sell and/or get in a cheaper striker.

and in this fantasy world of suarez coming to arsenal, what I haven't seen mentioned is his atrocious discipline record. he is already missing two months of next season without taking into consideration he will fuck up again and miss more - wherever he goes. talented little **** racist scumbag player but literally not worth the investment. if rvp couldn't elevate us playing every game in a season, what is a guy who plays 20 games going to do?

[bunsco]

let's face it, we're not going up against real madrid at all for his signature. I would be surprised if they hit the market anymore after spending £60mill or so this summer, if anything they will sell and/or get in a cheaper striker.

and in this fantasy world of suarez coming to arsenal, what I haven't seen mentioned is his atrocious discipline record. he is already missing two months of next season without taking into consideration he will fuck up again and miss more - wherever he goes. talented little **** racist scumbag player but literally not worth the investment. if rvp couldn't elevate us playing every game in a season, what is a guy who plays 20 games going to do?

Good point!

[Cripps_orig]

Suarez is better than that **** tbh

[Niall_Quinn]

let's face it, we're not going up against real madrid at all for his signature. I would be surprised if they hit the market anymore after spending £60mill or so this summer, if anything they will sell and/or get in a cheaper striker.

and in this fantasy world of suarez coming to arsenal, what I haven't seen mentioned is his atrocious discipline record. he is already missing two months of next season without taking into consideration he will fuck up again and miss more - wherever he goes. talented little **** racist scumbag player but literally not worth the investment. if rvp couldn't elevate us playing every game in a season, what is a guy who plays 20 games going to do?

Same point can be extended to ANY striker we bring in. We don't need one striker, we need two. In fact we need four top quality signings this window if we really are going after the title. Which we aren't. One signing to keep the fans happy is what we'll get. Maybe. I still don't put it past them to blag it out again and sneak through to close without a significant signature.

[Seaman's Ponytail]

Same point can be extended to ANY striker we bring in. We don't need one striker, we need two.

Wenger post match conference on Olivier Giroud…
"I like Olivier very much. He had his first year, he scored 17 goals in all competitions and he needed to adapt. I am sure he will be even stronger next season."

So give it up fella, we ain't signing one or two strikers. You know it, i know it, we all know it

[Niall_Quinn]

Wenger post match conference on Olivier Giroud…
"I like Olivier very much. He had his first year, he scored 17 goals in all competitions and he needed to adapt. I am sure he will be even stronger next season."

So give it up fella, we ain't signing one or two strikers. You know it, i know it, we all know it

Well considering the Sun says we're signing Rooney, Suarez and Higuain it looks like you are wrong.

We should put in a bid for RvP. He seems like a decent striker.

[Seaman's Ponytail]

Well considering the Sun says we're signing Rooney, Suarez and Higuain it looks like you are wrong.

We should put in a bid for RvP. He seems like a decent striker.

Na, there's this bloke, currently leading scorer and leading assists with the New York Red Bulls, Thierry something. He could be worth a sneaky mid-season loan bid i reckon

[Gooner23]

Real can have Gnasher, we'll take Hig. Simples.

[Fist of Lehmann]

On Higuain vs Suarez, it's as much about who suits our gameplan as it is about quality.

In playing Theo and Pod, we have two wingers who both want to be centre forward. They play pretty narrow, always looking to cut inside and score rather than go outside and cross.

A CF who drops deep and plays people in just fits better. And watching Jovetic it's obvious why we were linked. Jovetic is exactly that kind of player.

The perception is that Suarez is that type of player as well. I don't think he is.
Last season he only got 5 assists, Giroud got 7 and started 13 fewer games.
Suarez wants to take all the shots and make all the dribbles himself, he is greedy and, as Maccy points out, wasteful.

Playing with more creative wide men, including but not limited to, Cazorka, Choxlade or even lolGervinho with Higuain is the way I would prefer to go.

[Niall_Quinn]

Do we want to keep playing that way? The old "no men in the box" routine that has frustrated us all so thoroughly?

[bunsco]

Same point can be extended to ANY striker we bring in..

Really? So ANY signing is almost guaranteed to bite an opponent or something equally brainless at any point or/and likely to get a 4+ game ban during an important stage in the season due to a disciplinary?

Too much baggage, we got enough troubles as it is.

[Penguin]

spot on

not 10-15m better. not in a different league. pretty much the same player but higuain has no baggage, has cheaper wages and costs less.

only charlie's would disagree.

time to close the higuain deal.

Seriously? There's a reason why he's worth less, and thats because he's not as good. Simples.

[AKBapologist]

I wonder how you lot will react when Jotovic signs at Shitty...

[Injury Time]

I wonder how you lot will react when Jotovic signs at Shitty...
You see your avatar, that's GWs reaction that is...

[Niall_Quinn]

Really? So ANY signing is almost guaranteed to bite an opponent or something equally brainless at any point or/and likely to get a 4+ game ban during an important stage in the season due to a disciplinary?

Too much baggage, we got enough troubles as it is.

Give me one example of a new signing that hasn't bitten an opponent. You can't!

Actually I was talking about the RvP was here but we still got 4th thing. One striker won't be enough. Especially as he'll be injured for the season on the first week.

[Niall_Quinn]

I wonder how you lot will react when Jotovic signs at Shitty...

Not sure there will be much of a reaction at all. Why do you think there might be? Isn't everyone used to these players not coming to Arsenal?

[Ollie the Optimist]

I wonder how you lot will react when Jotovic signs at Shitty...


Everyone will make out that he was our only target this summer, would have been the saviour for us, won us every trophy amd start riots against the club.


That's what usually happens when we "miss" out on targets the press have mentioned before without any real evidence of actual interest.


But to clarify, I'm not particully happy with how slow business is being done, I'm not going to lose my shit over every player Who is linked to us not signing for us because there is so much bullshit out there. However, I still believe club will sign and sign big players so missing out on some of these players is because we have better and bigger targets in mind. I'm quite nervous the club won't fulfil this promises but at the moment I still believe they will, but come beginning of season if no new signings in place, then I will get angry with them

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

Seriously? There's a reason why he's worth less, and thats because he's not as good. Simples.

ok.

carroll is better than david villa too

andy :bow:

[Fist of Lehmann]

Do we want to keep playing that way? The old "no men in the box" routine that has frustrated us all so thoroughly?

I meant in a straight up choice between the Argentine and the Urgayan.

Buying either requires some tweaking of the system. And there's no reason why we cannot play a lopsided system, a foward-style winger on one side and creative-style winger on the other.

[PGFC]

Manure have just put in a e30 mil bid for Cesc.

[Kano]

omg it's breaking news!

[Joker]

Yup it's on the BBC website now:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/23316448

Barca have already lost one midfielder, doubt they'll be willing to see another go.

[GP]

30m :haha:

[Cripps_orig]

Moyes :haha:

Hope this happens

[Ollie the Optimist]

If united want him, it will cost them 60/70 million for barca just to make any profit on cesc given we have 50% sell on clause.

Also apparently any bid triggers our 25 million buy back clause. Cesc to united? Behave

[Syn]

30m :haha:

30m euros is a fair offer IMO. Think Barca are trying to raise money for Thiago Silva. An outside chance but it'll be interesting for us if Barca do get into a position where they want to sell. According to pretty much all reports (I know...) we have a £25m first option (pretty much what man Utd have on the table).

[Kano]

motherfucking breaking news! shit!

[Ollie the Optimist]

John cross thinks we should go for fellani instead of fabregas. :haha:

That man is a moron

[GP]

30m euros is a fair offer IMO.

Yeah, except we'll get half of it.

[Grebbo]

Yeah, except we'll get half of it.

You know that for a fact? Manure aren't new kids on the block, they'd have known about any clauses before making a bid. I'd say it's more likely to be 50% of any profit.

If Cesc goes to Manure I think I'll cry.

[Ollie the Optimist]

You know that for a fact? Manure aren't new kids on the block, they'd have known about any clauses before making a bid. I'd say it's more likely to be 50% of any profit.

If Cesc goes to Manure I think I'll cry.


Could be profit, but regardless it activates our 25 million buy back clause. Wenger won't let him go to united

[Letters]

Could be profit, but regardless it activates our 25 million buy back clause.
That's Transferwang. Rotate the board!

[Özim]

Could be profit, but regardless it activates our 25 million buy back clause. Wenger won't let him go to united
He doesn't have a choice, for a start he'd have to bid, secondly Cesc would need to want to come back. Can't see it, he's done the 4th place thing to death.

[Joker]

Are we sure there is a 25M buy back clause?

[Kano]

fuck, if he let rvp go to united whilst he's our player, i'm pretty sure he wouldn't be too upset at fabby going there too.

[Özim]

I'd be surprised if Barca sold him now that Thiago has been sold, however if they did we wouldn't be the ones getting him, pretty sure about that one.

[Özim]

fuck, if he let rvp go to united whilst he's our player, i'm pretty sure he wouldn't be too upset at fabby going there too.
If Cesc wanted to go to Man U, Wenger will probably get involved to lower the price so that he can move. :lol:

[GP]

Cesc will never go to Barca.

[Ollie the Optimist]

I'd be surprised if Barca sold him now that Thiago has been sold, however if they did we wouldn't be the ones getting him, pretty sure about that one.

Yeah but you were sure that spurs would finish above us, we wouldn't get top four etc

[Özim]

Yeah but you were sure that spurs would finish above us, we wouldn't get top four etc
Nope, try again. I always thought we had a good chance of top 4, tis the only thing Wenger is any good at.

[Ollie the Optimist]

Nope, try again. I always thought we had a good chance of top 4, tis the only thing Wenger is any good at.


Yes a man who has won two doubles, one unbeaten season, three fa cups is only really good at getting top four. You do talk shit most of the time don't you!

[Grebbo]

I just can't see the attraction for Cesc to go to Manure. He'd get more game time, but lots of other clubs can offer him that. No Fergie, rainy old Manchester instead of Barca.... just can't see the attraction. RVP went their to win trophies but Cesc has got a cupboard full of trophies.

I can only see him staying at Barca.

[Özim]

Yes a man who has won two doubles, one unbeaten season, three fa cups is only really good at getting top four. You do talk shit most of the time don't you!
How long ago was that now, is so long ago it's hard to remember.

He's a one trick pony, a top 4 merchant that's it. As for signings, well that's turning out well isn't it? Every summer you tell us about how things have changed, that he's seen the light etc etc and yet the same sh*t happens. Then you backtrack and say one more season etc etc...you'll do the same next summer when the same sh*t happens again.

[Ollie the Optimist]

Also if you were cesc fabregas, who would rather play for? david moyes or arsene wenger? no brainer. plus he now knows he was second choice for united after thiago, don't think he'd like that

[Kano]

he's done arsenal and he's never coming back.

he'll stay at barca but if he was told tomorrow to gtfo and it was between utd and arsenal he'd go to the former.

the manager isn't fergie by any stretch of the imagination but they are a club willing to spend, willing to build a team and try for titles whilst we are just meandering around mediocrity.

[Joker]

I don't think this transfer will go through but even if Fabregas respects Wenger a lot (which I don't doubt), at the moment Utd are a much bigger draw than Arsenal. Coming 4th and maintaining our self sustainable business model may be good enough for Wenger and the board, but I reckon Cesc wants something more especially now that he should be at the peak of his career.

[Ollie the Optimist]

How long ago was that now, is so long ago it's hard to remember.

He's a one trick pony, a top 4 merchant that's it. As for signings, well that's turning out well isn't it? Every summer you tell us about how things have changed, that he's seen the light etc etc and yet the same sh*t happens. Then you backtrack and say one more season etc etc...you'll do the same next summer when the same sh*t happens again.


a one trick pony?? look at his acheviements for us, and you are calling him a one trick pony? jesus, you really fucking hate him dont you, so much that you refuse to achknowledge anything he has done for this club and just focus on him getting top four.


i can imagine you in 50 years time tallking to your grandchildren. "grandad, is it true arsenal won the league unbeaten under arsene wenger?" "yes, but we dont judge him on that, we judge him on him getting the top four for years after that, he forget all of his trophies and focus on the top four alone, what a **** that man was"

[Özim]

he's done arsenal and he's never coming back.

he'll stay at barca but if he was told tomorrow to gtfo and it was between utd and arsenal he'd go to the former.

the manager isn't fergie by any stretch of the imagination but they are a club willing to spend, willing to build a team and try for titles whilst we are just meandering around mediocrity.
Pretty much spot on.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

Also if you were cesc fabregas, who would rather play for? david moyes or arsene wenger? no brainer.

works wonders on a tight budget
constantly over-performs
finally has more money to spend following years of financial restraint

looks like he's off to united

[Power n Glory]

works wonders on a tight budget
constantly over-performs
finally has more money to spend following years of financial restraint

looks like he's off to united

:lol: Is that Wenger or Moyes you're describing?

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

:lol: Is that Wenger or Moyes you're describing?

sir alex moyes

[Cripps_orig]

he's done arsenal and he's never coming back.

he'll stay at barca but if he was told tomorrow to gtfo and it was between utd and arsenal he'd go to the former.

the manager isn't fergie by any stretch of the imagination but they are a club willing to spend, willing to build a team and try for titles whilst we are just meandering around mediocrity.pretty much.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

If he wants trophies, why leave Barcelona? It'd be something else he is after if he was to leave.

Doubt it'll happen anyway.

[Grebbo]

I don't think this transfer will go through but even if Fabregas respects Wenger a lot (which I don't doubt), at the moment Utd are a much bigger draw than Arsenal. Coming 4th and maintaining our self sustainable business model may be good enough for Wenger and the board, but I reckon Cesc wants something more especially now that he should be at the peak of his career.

You could look at it in another way in that Arsenal is actually quite attractive for Cesc. We've won fuck all since he left so if he came back he could become a legend. He'd also be our star man. Plus he's won everything so he could view Arsenal as a challenge.

Going to Manure will probably win him the league at least a couple of times during his contract but is that such a big deal for a guy that's won the lot already? Surely winning even an FA cup with Arse would be more satisfying?

Manure are a much bigger draw than us but Barca are much more attractive than Manure. So it would make sense for him to stay at Barca or join us for a challenge.

Wenger probably wont even try to sign him so it's a non-starter anyway.

[Ollie the Optimist]

he's done arsenal and he's never coming back.

he'll stay at barca but if he was told tomorrow to gtfo and it was between utd and arsenal he'd go to the former.

the manager isn't fergie by any stretch of the imagination but they are a club willing to spend, willing to build a team and try for titles whilst we are just meandering around mediocrity.

havnt seen much evidence of that this summer. only two realistic targets for them are cesc and thiago, ones already rejected them. i cant think who else they have been linked with, plus the only signings they have made are some unheard of squad players.

[Joker]

a one trick pony?? look at his acheviements for us, and you are calling him a one trick pony? jesus, you really fucking hate him dont you, so much that you refuse to achknowledge anything he has done for this club and just focus on him getting top four.


i can imagine you in 50 years time tallking to your grandchildren. "grandad, is it true arsenal won the league unbeaten under arsene wenger?" "yes, but we dont judge him on that, we judge him on him getting the top four for years after that, he forget all of his trophies and focus on the top four alone, what a **** that man was"

Yes he was great in the first half of his reign at Arsenal, but we can't turn a blind eye to the fact that we have won no trophies in the last 8 years. In fact, it's not the lack of trophies as such that the major issue, it's that we could easily have had a few trophies at least if Wenger had made better signings to supplement the squad rather than relying on poor quality bargain basement signings like Silvestre who could not be relied upon in the business end of the season. Moreover, his disregard for the domestic trophies were unforgivable, especially decisions like resting Arshavin in an FA Cup semi final, and playing a B team in the Carling Cup final against Chelsea.

When Wenger leaves he will be remembered equally for his fantastic achievements in the first half of his Arsenal career as for his role in the stagnation of our club from 2005 onwards.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

our first option to buy cesc is only if barca accept another bid from another club. they wont accept £25m and if they accept a higher bid, our £25m clause comes into effect

chill, we got this



http://oi37.tinypic.com/f9itx.jpg

[Ollie the Optimist]

Yes he was great in the first half of his reign at Arsenal, but we can't turn a blind eye to the fact that we have won no trophies in the last 8 years. In fact, it's not the lack of trophies as such that the major issue, it's that we could easily have had a few trophies at least if Wenger had made better signings to supplement the squad rather than relying on poor quality bargain basement signings like Silvestre who could not be relied upon in the business end of the season. Moreover, his disregard for the domestic trophies were unforgivable, especially decisions like resting Arshavin in an FA Cup semi final, and playing a B team in the Carling Cup final against Chelsea.

When Wenger leaves he will be remembered equally for his fantastic achievements in the first half of his Arsenal career as for his role in the stagnation of our club from 2005 onwards.

i cant argue with some of his decisions, resting arshavin etc, but hte bargin basements signings are surely because of no money? gazidas admitted this summer wenger never had any money so he had to do what he could and his gambles didnt pay off. i do feel we should have won some trophies in last few years namely birmingham in 11, and last season we should have done better, no excuses for it.

however, i dont think you can critisce wenger for playing a b team against chelsea. in hindsight it looks an awful decision, however, at the time, it had been 6 months since the champions league final and only 18 months since the fa cup in 05. hardly a drought, so at the time, it was fair enough, the b team got us to the final anyway, in hindsight it looks poor.

[Niall_Quinn]

LOL - we're probably trying to assist Utd. Serious? A choice between us spending £25mill or getting a cash windfall from Barca? Could there be any doubt whatsoever which option we'd go for? Strong chance of this deal coming off if Fabregas wants to go.

[Ollie the Optimist]

seeing a few reports saying this bid was made 8 weeks ago. begs the question, if this is true, why no follow up? and therefore might explain thiago interest. other factor could be, that maybe wenger had a deal with fergie, ill sell you judas, if next year you bid for cesc to activate my buy back clause

[selassie]

Could be profit, but regardless it activates our 25 million buy back clause. Wenger won't let him go to united

Hmmm..we all said that last summer before he got on the phone to Fergie and pushed through the deal to sell RVP.

Wenger has no control over the situation and is very unlikely to put in any kind of offer for Cesc IMHO.

If he goes there he goes there. Nothing we can do about it, and to be honest we need to get our house in order first, WTF have we been doing all summer regarding our targets?!!

[Ollie the Optimist]

Hmmm..we all said that last summer before he got on the phone to Fergie and pushed through the deal to sell RVP.

Wenger has no control over the situation and is very unlikely to put in any kind of offer for Cesc IMHO.

If he goes there he goes there. Nothing we can do about it, and to be honest we need to get our house in order first, WTF have we been doing all summer regarding our targets?!!

with buy back clauses and first refusal, he has complete control over the situation, if he wants cesc, he'll get him.

[GP]

Barca still owe payments on Cesc and Song anyway...

[Kano]

havnt seen much evidence of that this summer. only two realistic targets for them are cesc and thiago, ones already rejected them. i cant think who else they have been linked with, plus the only signings they have made are some unheard of squad players.
rvp last season. fab this season. tried to get tiago. they spend. they always have and as current champions they are far more appealing to a player than us. that's just logic. if cesc said no to arsenals first buy back clause or whatever it is, then that would be that.

[Ollie the Optimist]

rvp last season. fab this season. tried to get tiago. they spend. they always have and as current champions they are far more appealing to a player than us. that's just logic. if cesc said no to arsenals first buy back clause or whatever it is, then that would be that.

if however this bid is as is being reported, 8 weeks old, then why no follow up bid? they then seeminlgly move to thiago, try to spend and dont get him because apparently moyes doubted his ability in premier league. so making bids, not following up, dithering, missing out on targets, key player trying to leave. sounds like arsenal really

[selassie]

with buy back clauses and first refusal, he has complete control over the situation, if he wants cesc, he'll get him.

sure, he has greater control than any other manager in the sense that if he offers the 25m or whatever the "first refusal fee" is, but this does not mean we can get him. cesc has got to want to come back here, that's the crucial part.

let's be honest, we don't have anything over any other likely interested party. why would cesc choose to come back here? he's got nothing to prove. football isn't about loyalty these days, he could quite easily go to Man United or Chelsea or wherever and achieve a lot more than he will here. there is nothing we can offer him above those two aforementioned clubs, nothing.

[GP]

:lol:

[Kano]

if however this bid is as is being reported, 8 weeks old, then why no follow up bid? they then seeminlgly move to thiago, try to spend and dont get him because apparently moyes doubted his ability in premier league. so making bids, not following up, dithering, missing out on targets, key player trying to leave. sounds like arsenal really
give it 4/5 years of doing the same, then we can compare the two.

[LDG]

Looks like the heat is getting to a few people.

Sanogo :bow:

[GP]

Looks like the heat is getting to a few people.


http://i.imgur.com/mjs4hv4.jpg

[Grebbo]

with buy back clauses and first refusal, he has complete control over the situation, if he wants cesc, he'll get him.

Wenger doesn't really have any control over the situation if Fabregas doesn't want to sign for us.

[Ollie the Optimist]

sure, he has greater control than any other manager in the sense that if he offers the 25m or whatever the "first refusal fee" is, but this does not mean we can get him. cesc has got to want to come back here, that's the crucial part.

let's be honest, we don't have anything over any other likely interested party. why would cesc choose to come back here? he's got nothing to prove. football isn't about loyalty these days, he could quite easily go to Man United or Chelsea or wherever and achieve a lot more than he will here. there is nothing we can offer him above those two aforementioned clubs, nothing.


there have been interviews with barca players where they say, all cesc talks baout is arsenal, he is constantly liking photos of arsenal on instragam, watches most of our matches, that is the actions of a man who still cares about the club. it could mean nohting but i choose to believe it isn't.
we know cesc views wenger as his second father, he has said so before, so i think if wenger was to talk to him, hed convince him. plus, if he went to united, sure hed win trophies, but he wouldnt be remembered as anything special, just like he wont be barcalona. but if he came back to arsenal, and won trophies with us, hed be a hero, a legend and remembered for a long long time as part of arsenals history. that might appeal to him.

i dont think he would go to united myself, ive been wrong before, but with him, i think it really is barca or us, and that is all it will be

[Cripps_orig]

Wenger doesn't have any control cos well he's not our player

[LDG]

there have been interviews with barca players where they say, all cesc talks baout is arsenal, he is constantly liking photos of arsenal on instragam, watches most of our matches, that is the actions of a man who still cares about the club. it could mean nohting but i choose to believe it isn't.
we know cesc views wenger as his second father, he has said so before, so i think if wenger was to talk to him, hed convince him. plus, if he went to united, sure hed win trophies, but he wouldnt be remembered as anything special, just like he wont be barcalona. but if he came back to arsenal, and won trophies with us, hed be a hero, a legend and remembered for a long long time as part of arsenals history. that might appeal to him.

i dont think he would go to united myself, ive been wrong before, but with him, i think it really is barca or us, and that is all it will be

Really?

[Ollie the Optimist]

Really?

yeah, i thought your mum was a looker. i was so wrong

[GP]

:haha:

burn

[Cripps_orig]

yeah, i thought your mum was a looker. i was so wrong

:haha:

Ollie :bow:

[Letters]

BAM! :lol:

[PGFC]

:haha:

[Kano]

taken out :lol:

[Penguin]

:haha:

[selassie]

:coffee: :haha:

[Özil's Panoramic View]

seeing a few reports saying this bid was made 8 weeks ago. begs the question, if this is true, why no follow up? and therefore might explain thiago interest. other factor could be, that maybe wenger had a deal with fergie, ill sell you judas, if next year you bid for cesc to activate my buy back clause

:haha: :haha: :haha:

[LDG]

:lol:

Shit.

[Cripps_orig]

:haha: :haha: :haha:

Just read that

:haha:

[Özil's Panoramic View]

Just read that

:haha:

Ollie. :bow:

How he's missed whenever he takes a few days off from here.

[Gooner23]

So we'd pocket half of what Man Yoo pay for him. Sounds like the perfect deal for Wenger.

[Ollie the Optimist]

has gazidas coming out and saying we have cash to burn, we can afford rooney and his wages etc etc spectactuly backfired on us and all clubs have just upped their prices given they now know we have cash thanks to gazidas spouting of about it and telling the world we will spend big and get big singings in?

[GP]

No, Wenger is just choosing not to spend because that somehow makes life easier for himself.

[Özim]

Or choosing not to spend so he can gloat about how much money he's making the club of course.

[Kano]

well for a man who purports to be a ceo, it seems like an incredibly naive way to negotiate and get the best value. second to that, no one else who says they have money to piss takes so long.

[Özil's Panoramic View]

has gazidas coming out and saying we have cash to burn, we can afford rooney and his wages etc etc spectactuly backfired on us and all clubs have just upped their prices given they now know we have cash thanks to gazidas spouting of about it and telling the world we will spend big and get big singings in?

Which player have we gone in for (made up or not) where his asking price would have been any lower if say it was another club that had gone in instead of us?

[Ollie the Optimist]

Which player have we gone in for (made up or not) where his asking price would have been any lower if say it was another club that had gone in instead of us?

look at the higuain deal, supposdly all done for 23 million or there abouts, suddenly they now want 30 million. they know we have the money because gazidas said so, so why not get a bit more out of us?

[Özim]

Is this angle you'll take at the end of the summer when we've signed noone of note?

We tried to buy players but clubs hiked their prices up because they knew we were loaded and tried to screw us over, so Wenger and co did the sensible thing and told them where to stick it.

[Cripps_orig]

Ollie. :bow:

How he's missed whenever he takes a few days off from here.

Next Charlie tbf

[Ollie the Optimist]

Is this angle you'll take at the end of the summer when we've signed noone of note?

We tried to buy players but clubs hiked their prices up because they knew we were loaded and tried to screw us over, so Wenger and co did the sensible thing and told them where to stick it.



no the angle i will take at teh end of the summer will be decided at the end of the summer when i have seen what has happened

[Kano]

look at the higuain deal, supposdly all done for 23 million or there abouts, suddenly they now want 30 million. they know we have the money because gazidas said so, so why not get a bit more out of us?
or not bid at all. no clarity on this deal at all and there is not one solid piece of evidence to say we've bid for anyone decent.

[Ollie the Optimist]

or not bid at all. no clarity on this deal at all and there is not one solid piece of evidence to say we've bid for anyone decent.

perez is a known liar, plus his agent/father says madrid granted us permission to speak with him, that to me suggests we did make a bid, maybe not a high one, but i dont think madrid would let us speak with him without some kind of bid being made

[Kano]

it's all bullshit. conflicting messages from everyone so the best policy is to believe absolutely no-one until something solid happens.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

Is this angle you'll take at the end of the summer when we've signed noone of note?

We tried to buy players but clubs hiked their prices up because they knew we were loaded and tried to screw us over, so Wenger and co did the sensible thing and told them where to stick it.

yeah but higuain liked a picture of us on instagram













:haha:

[Özim]

yeah but higuain liked a picture of us on instagram













:haha:
Did you see that on Twitter? :lol:

[Joker]

Guardian attempt at humour :lol:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2013/jul/15/football-transfer-rumours-luis-suarez-arsenal

[Ollie the Optimist]

Guardian attempt at humour :lol:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2013/jul/15/football-transfer-rumours-luis-suarez-arsenal

someone got paid to write that? its not even original.

[GP]

'attempt' being the important word, there.

[Harland]

Ollie, I'll have some of whatever you're smoking.

Or snorting, or injecting.

[Ollie the Optimist]

'attempt' being the important word, there.


its just such lazy journalism. that joke would have been funny in about 2008

[selassie]

there have been interviews with barca players where they say, all cesc talks baout is arsenal, he is constantly liking photos of arsenal on instragam, watches most of our matches, that is the actions of a man who still cares about the club. it could mean nohting but i choose to believe it isn't.
we know cesc views wenger as his second father, he has said so before, so i think if wenger was to talk to him, hed convince him. plus, if he went to united, sure hed win trophies, but he wouldnt be remembered as anything special, just like he wont be barcalona. but if he came back to arsenal, and won trophies with us, hed be a hero, a legend and remembered for a long long time as part of arsenals history. that might appeal to him.

i dont think he would go to united myself, ive been wrong before, but with him, i think it really is barca or us, and that is all it will be

yeah and I am still fond of my first love but I wouldn't take her back if she asked me to go out with her again/marry me/whatever. ;)

on the other hand, if a *beautiful* new girl came on the scene with a good reputation then I would consider her. ;)

p.s. This is all fantasy type stuff because I am happily engaged....but you get the gist?!

[Kano]

that guardian piece is not even funny. it's just shit humour.

anyway, expect a bid from us for stevie. we have the all clear

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11669/8825518/Steven-Gerrard-has-signed-an-extension-to-his-Liverpool-deal

and thankfully sky sources have given themselves permission to continue to write more spurious bullshit about suarez for at least another couple of weeks.

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11670/8825503/Transfer-news-Arsenal-encouraged-as-Luis-Suarez-remains-open-to-staying-in-England


when asked whether there was a genuine possibility Suarez might start next season at Arsenal, a source close to the negotiations said: "Maybe."
:lol:

seriously, they have to be just having an out and out laugh with everyone else.

[Ollie the Optimist]

yeah and I am still fond of my first love but I wouldn't take her back if she asked me to go out with her again/marry me/whatever. ;)

on the other hand, if a *beautiful* new girl came on the scene with a good reputation then I would consider her. ;)

p.s. This is all fantasy type stuff because I am happily engaged....but you get the gist?!

but if you kept talking about your first love, no other girl would go out with you because they would feel your attention and your heart was always going to belong to the first love right?

i think wenger is the key to all this, you just have to listen to what cesc says about wenger, one quote being "there are three important people in my life who i owe soemthing to, mum, dad, and arsine" if arsene called, cesc would answer, im sure of it

[Shaqiri Is Boss]

This must be what it's like in Jim White's head.

[Özim]

Guardian attempt at humour :lol:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2013/jul/15/football-transfer-rumours-luis-suarez-arsenal
I think it's quite funny, seems some people have had a sense of humour bypass and take things way too seriously.

[Letters]

There is certainly potential for humour in the way Arsenal do (or, rather, don't do) business but that was a rubbish attempt at it.

[Kano]

people have written funnier, similar stuff on here.

[Ollie the Optimist]

I think it's quite funny, seems some people have had a sense of humour bypass and take things way too seriously.

coming from you? :lol:

[LDG]

people have written funnier, similar stuff on here.

As well you know.

[Kano]

As well you know.
and about mums too.

[Özim]

coming from you? :lol:
Why so serious?

[LDG]

and about mums too.

:rolleyes:

[Özim]

There is certainly potential for humour in the way Arsenal do (or, rather, don't do) business but that was a rubbish attempt at it.
I dunno this is quite funny:


Ivan: "Anyway, we've dodged a bullet there, but the fans are still grumbling. They want a big signing … or at least for us to try and make a big signing"

(Arsène sighs)

Ivan: "I know how you feel about this Arsène but you have to understand it from their point of view. I mean … it's been eight years since Arsenal won a -"

Arsène: "We qualify for the Champions League every season Ivan!"

Ivan: "I know Arsène, I know. And the board are very grateful. But we have to listen to the fans. Or at least pretend to listen to them"

[Ollie the Optimist]

I dunno this is quite funny:

really? they make the same joke every year, just swap 8 years for the applicable number. its a cheap shot, lazy writing and not original in the slightest

[server too busy!]

I dunno this is quite funny:

Be honest, did you write it?

[GP]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1anxAWHZVc

[Özim]

Never seen this in the papers before myself, seen stuff like this on here and people laugh then so why not when it's in the papers.

If they have done so for the last 8 years etc (and I haven't seen it), then it can only due to the way we conduct business in the transfer market. Do they do this about Man U or Liverpool?

[Özim]

Be honest, did you write it?
Honestly no, there's an injunction against me to prevent me from writing this sh*t.

[Cripps_orig]

Guardian attempt at humour :lol:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2013/jul/15/football-transfer-rumours-luis-suarez-arsenal
That's not humour. Thats actually what happened

[Ollie the Optimist]

Never seen this in the papers before myself, seen stuff like this on here and people laugh then so why not when it's in the papers.

If they have done so for the last 8 years etc (and I haven't seen it), then it can only due to the way we conduct business in the transfer market. Do they do this about Man U or Liverpool?

no paper will take the piss out of united, or least they wouldnt before this summer because they just get banned, arsenal are an easy target for papers. i read somewhere that we have the most active and largest online fan base, be it facebook, twitter etc, so newspapers and websites can write stuff, and know it will cause a reaction, arsenal fans talk about it, they get more hits, more money from advertisers on website plus are being talked about online so they win.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

Did you see that on Twitter? :lol:

no, Ollie posted it a few pages back

edit: macca stop editing the bloody post gayboy

[Özim]

no paper will take the piss out of united, or least they wouldnt before this summer because they just get banned, arsenal are an easy target for papers. i read somewhere that we have the most active and largest online fan base, be it facebook, twitter etc, so newspapers and websites can write stuff, and know it will cause a reaction, arsenal fans talk about it, they get more hits, more money from advertisers on website plus are being talked about online so they win.
I reckon it's more of case of can't, they win all the time so you're going to look stupid making jokes like this about them.

I'd be surprised if we have the most active and largest online fans base to honest, there's clubs with a lot more fans and logically that would also mean they have more people online.

[Ollie the Optimist]

I reckon it's more of case of can't, they win all the time so you're going to look stupid making jokes like this about them.

I'd be surprised if we have the most active and largest online fans base to honest, there's clubs with a lot more fans and logically that would also mean they have more people online.

i think you would be surprised. quick google search shows, that of all the football clubs in the world, arsenal have fourth highest follower count, largest out of all english clubs. barca, madrid, galatasery are top three (insert 4th place trophy joke here)

of course everyone on twitter doesnt follow their club, but using logic, the club with highest amount of followers is likely to have a larger online fan base. also, one thing i notice is most twitter trends about english football are arsenal related, hence why i say we are likely to be one of the most active online fan bases. journalists have commented on this before too

[hobson's choice]

That's not humour. Thats actually what happened

Yep

[Master Splinter]

people have written funnier, similar stuff on here.

And in bottle banks on Sesame Street.

[Niall_Quinn]

There is certainly potential for humour in the way Arsenal do (or, rather, don't do) business but that was a rubbish attempt at it.

The second "do" should have been outside the parenthesis.

[Niall_Quinn]

Have we signed anyone yet?

[Master Splinter]

Have we signed anyone yet?

Exclusive here:

http://s1.wp.com/wp-content/themes/vip/metrouk/img/polar-bear.jpg?m=1354727537g

[Niall_Quinn]

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[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

i can just see madrid offering higuain + money for suarez

wipes both of them out for us
no rooney either

we'll be stuck with bendtner

[Niall_Quinn]

Us not getting Rooney is certainly a shocker.

[LDG]

Liverpool have confirmed we have made a bid for the racist.

http://news.arseblog.com/2013/07/liverpool-confirm-arsenals-suarez-bid/

[Syn]

Liverpool's managing director :lol:

What the fuck does he know.

At least provide a reliable source.

[Ollie the Optimist]

So a confirmed bid then. So at least we know the club is actually doing *something* it's what they do next that changes opinions.

Plus wenger bidding for Suarez, we know he doesn't like bad boys as such, ie Mvila. Is this him putting his principles aside for the good of the team in order to win stuff?

[Boss]

21:17 BST: Sky Italia reports that Roma have raised their bid for Arsenal forward Gervinho to €8 million.

From Soccernet.

Please get rid of this filth.

[Kano]

Liverpool have confirmed we have made a bid for the racist.

http://news.arseblog.com/2013/07/liverpool-confirm-arsenals-suarez-bid/
http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Football/Pix/pictures/2011/10/1/1317471203291/Luis-Suarez-of-Liverpool--007.jpg

[LDG]

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Football/Pix/pictures/2011/10/1/1317471203291/Luis-Suarez-of-Liverpool--007.jpg

He's almost as ugly as my mum.

[Kano]

He's almost as ugly as my mum.

probably, but i've only ever seen her from behind.

[Japan Shaking All Over]

BBC report 25mil bid by UTD but a lot hinges on us......so guess what.......we could be waiting a while to see what happens.....

[LDG]

probably, but i've only ever seen her from behind.

Nice of you to visit the burns unit.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Never heard it called that before.

[Japan Shaking All Over]

you would if you caught a dose of it

[Kano]

Nice of you to visit the burns unit.
it was dark, i was drunk, it was a graveyard...give a guy a break.

[LDG]

it was dark, i was drunk, it was a graveyard...give a guy a break.

Dark, from behind and in a grave yard? Think you may have found justin fashanu mate.

[Kano]

ah...

[JonasTC]

I dont buy the whole Suarez thing, this is 2 english clubs working together for a win/win situation... Arsenal help Liverpool to make RM raise their offer, and if we can help speeding up the deal between Liverpool and RM, the quicker we can probably get the Higuain thing solved, since i think RM wants to buy a new striker, before they let anyone go.

*Takes on his silverhat and goes back into his cave*

[Ollie the Optimist]

I dont buy the whole Suarez thing, this is 2 english clubs working together for a win/win situation... Arsenal help Liverpool to make RM raise their offer, and if we can help speeding up the deal between Liverpool and RM, the quicker we can probably get the Higuain thing solved, since i think RM wants to buy a new striker, before they let anyone go.

*Takes on his silverhat and goes back into his cave*

Suarez isn't a smokescreen as such, this bid is geniunine I reckon. If we were trying to threaten Real Madrid, we would be bidding as high as we are. I think wenger wants him amd is 100% going for him, not trying to bluff anyone

[-Xs-]

Personally, I don't think its a smokescreen either, I do however think its complete bullshit

Example from the Mirror today - headline:


Arsene Wenger insists Arsenal are working to bring 'spectacular' signings to the club

The only thing mentioned in the article about spectacular signings?


"You want me to announce a spectacular signing, but I can't.

Face it, it's a bit shit, but Sanogo will be our only signing come transfer deadline day. That 70mil war chest they are touting has more than likely gone straight into paying off debt. I'd love to be wrong about this, but this summer really just looks the same as any other

[Cripps_orig]

Hull City manager Steve Bruce has conceded that any deal to sign Arsenal striker Nicklas Bendtner, 25, could be too expensive.
Full Story: Goal.com


:lol:

[hobson's choice]

From Soccernet.

Please get rid of this filth.

As crappy as he is, we can't get rid, till we bring someone in.

[Power n Glory]

Suarez isn't a smokescreen as such, this bid is geniunine I reckon. If we were trying to threaten Real Madrid, we would be bidding as high as we are. I think wenger wants him amd is 100% going for him, not trying to bluff anyone

Like Higuain wasn't smokescreen? How can you be so sure that this is genuine?

Until everything is official, we might as well sit tight. In a few weeks we may find that we haven't even made a bid for him.

[Seaman's Ponytail]

This from Sky Sports "A further update on Gervinho's future as reports in Africa claim the Arsenal attacker could now be on his way to Lyon. Roma had been interested in a deal but were unable to match Arsenal's valuation of the Ivory Coast international. Reports suggest that, if Lyon offer €7m (£6.1m) plus Yoann Gourcuff for Gervinho, then Arsenal could be tempted to accept the bid."

Works for me but seems a bit too good to be true

[Harland]

really interested to see how some people will defend the Club and Wenger when we enter the season with no new signings.

Probably say something like we have a deal with the selling clubs to announce them the next year so that we can secure other players in the January window or something.

[Globalgunner]

Wenger is a gambler. He keeps getting 4th, which is where his comfort zone is. He has desire but not ambition. He is more afraid of failing so he doesn't dare try to succeed. He won't leave Arsenal unless some Tsunami takes place at board level. Too many similarly chicken hearted persons on our board. It has infested many on this board too sadly. What he terms his love for Arsenal is a screen for cowardice. At any other club he would be unceremoniously disproved in public with his glaring failings as a tactician and resources management.

[Özim]

This from Sky Sports "A further update on Gervinho's future as reports in Africa claim the Arsenal attacker could now be on his way to Lyon. Roma had been interested in a deal but were unable to match Arsenal's valuation of the Ivory Coast international. Reports suggest that, if Lyon offer €7m (£6.1m) plus Yoann Gourcuff for Gervinho, then Arsenal could be tempted to accept the bid."

Works for me but seems a bit too good to be true
If this isn't total media BS (which let's face it is highly unlikely), this would be a great deal....money and a very talented player for someone we don't want.

[Özim]

really interested to see how some people will defend the Club and Wenger when we enter the season with no new signings.

Probably say something like we have a deal with the selling clubs to announce them the next year so that we can secure other players in the January window or something.
Won't be his fault, he tried to make big signings, makde the big bids but everyone got greedy and wanted more because they knew we had cash to burn. He's just an innocent bystander in all this, you might say his hands our tied and he's doing a miraculous job.

[Ollie the Optimist]

Like Higuain wasn't smokescreen? How can you be so sure that this is genuine?

Until everything is official, we might as well sit tight. In a few weeks we may find that we haven't even made a bid for him.


Well Liverpool have confirmed we made a bid for him so that's pretty genuine to me.

The reason I think this is a genuine bid, rather then a bluff, is that the bid is too high, so if it was to scare Madrid amd say we won't play your games about giving your more money, it's too high a bid as it show Madrid we have 30 million. 30 odd million is a realistic bid too, Suarez is not a 40 million pound player, no matter what Liverpool say, 30 million is realistic, as he wants out, if puts a request in it could make a 35 million pound bid acceptable.

I think the interest is genuine, and the bid is real, we know that, however we do have to wait and see.

[Ollie the Optimist]

really interested to see how some people will defend the Club and Wenger when we enter the season with no new signings.

Probably say something like we have a deal with the selling clubs to announce them the next year so that we can secure other players in the January window or something.

Of people will most likely see what happens and judge on that rather then just following an agenda now

[Özim]

We have absolutely no chance of getting Suarez, even if the bid is real (I'm not convinced) we must know that so it's a pretty safe bet. Liverpool won't sell him for that price and won't want to sell to an English club, in addition they don't want to sell him and I doubt he'd choose to move to us when bigger more successful clubs would be interested.

A pointless bid basically.

[Kano]

Well Liverpool have confirmed we made a bid for him so that's pretty genuine to me.

The reason I think this is a genuine bid, rather then a bluff, is that the bid is too high, so if it was to scare Madrid amd say we won't play your games about giving your more money, it's too high a bid as it show Madrid we have 30 million. 30 odd million is a realistic bid too, Suarez is not a 40 million pound player, no matter what Liverpool say, 30 million is realistic, as he wants out, if puts a request in it could make a 35 million pound bid acceptable.

I think the interest is genuine, and the bid is real, we know that, however we do have to wait and see.
i don't know where you dream these little power games up, I really don't.

Just looking from the outside, they paid £25mill for him, so they won't be looking for a 5m mark up seeing as he is one of the biggest talents in world football right now, combined with the fact he is a Premiership player, so a premium valuation gets added to the blue ribbon players. Also throw in that Liverpool will see us as rivals, as silly as it sounds to many Arsenal fans, that is how they will call it, based on decades of history. So they are not going to sell cheap just on that basis alone - 40m to madrid is feasible but its even higher for a domestic 'rival'.

suarez would be a mistake. brilliant player, without doubt. but apart from the trouble you would guarantee in a year or two max he would be itching to move on to barca/madrid and co.

[Özim]

Well Liverpool have confirmed we made a bid for him so that's pretty genuine to me.

The reason I think this is a genuine bid, rather then a bluff, is that the bid is too high, so if it was to scare Madrid amd say we won't play your games about giving your more money, it's too high a bid as it show Madrid we have 30 million. 30 odd million is a realistic bid too, Suarez is not a 40 million pound player, no matter what Liverpool say, 30 million is realistic, as he wants out, if puts a request in it could make a 35 million pound bid acceptable.

I think the interest is genuine, and the bid is real, we know that, however we do have to wait and see.
He's signed a new contract fairly recently, has shown himself to be a top top striker and Liverpool don't want to sell. So yeah he's worth 40 million.

[Ollie the Optimist]

We have absolutely no chance of getting Suarez, even if the bid is real (I'm not convinced) we must know that so it's a pretty safe bet. Liverpool won't sell him for that price and won't want to sell to an English club, in addition they don't want to sell him and I doubt he'd choose to move to us when bigger more successful clubs would be interested.

A pointless bid basically.

i assume zimm, whenever you have bought a house or a car etc, you go straight in with what asking price right?

we'e a bigger club then liverpool right now, thats attractive to suarez, we have champions league football, they are fighting for 7th place. we can use that to convince him and he has already said he wants to leave liverpool. madrid have mentioned him but so far the only club to have bid for him, is us. so no its not a pointless bid at all, it could turn out to be, and knowing us, most likely will be, but right now, it is far from a pointless bid

[Özim]

i assume zimm, whenever you have bought a house or a car etc, you go straight in with what asking price right?

we'e a bigger club then liverpool right now, thats attractive to suarez, we have champions league football, they are fighting for 7th place. we can use that to convince him and he has already said he wants to leave liverpool. madrid have mentioned him but so far the only club to have bid for him, is us. so no its not a pointless bid at all, it could turn out to be, and knowing us, most likely will be, but right now, it is far from a pointless bid
It's not a fair comparison at all, a seller just wants a certain amount of cash for his asset (rarely is there a bidding war)...however with a player there's other things involved, like not wanting to sell to a rival, a player not wanting to move somewhere......and in this case the club not wanting to sell.

Don't fool yourself into thinking we're attractive to Suarez, there's much bigger clubs who would be interested, clubs who sign top players, spend big and do anything to achieve success and achieve success.

We have no chance of signing him.

[Ollie the Optimist]

It's not a fair comparison at all, a seller just wants a certain amount of cash for his asset (rarely is there a bidding war)...however with a player there's other things involved, like not wanting to sell to a rival, a player not wanting to move somewhere......and in this case the club not wanting to sell.

Don't fool yourself into thinking we're attractive to Suarez, there's much bigger clubs who would be interested, clubs who sign top players, spend big and do anything to achieve success and achieve success.

We have no chance of signing him.

bidding for a house etc and player is not different. if you bid for a house, and put in a low offer you are just doing what arsenal do which you constantly moan about, very hypocritical

yes there are bigger clubs, but out of the english clubs, we are only ones linked with him, and right now, we are bigger then liverpool. when was the last time they actually challenged us for top four? years ago, therefore we are a step up, and he might feel that he has unfinished buisness in england.
out of the other clubs, madrid are only ones to be seriously linked, and they havnt bid, we have. that puts us in pole position to an extent. liverpool might not want to sell, however suarez has said he wants to leave.

[Özim]

bidding for a house etc and player is not different. if you bid for a house, and put in a low offer you are just doing what arsenal do which you constantly moan about, very hypocritical

yes there are bigger clubs, but out of the english clubs, we are only ones linked with him, and right now, we are bigger then liverpool. when was the last time they actually challenged us for top four? years ago, therefore we are a step up, and he might feel that he has unfinished buisness in england.
out of the other clubs, madrid are only ones to be seriously linked, and they havnt bid, we have. that puts us in pole position to an extent. liverpool might not want to sell, however suarez has said he wants to leave.
It's completely different, you put in a lower offer in the hope it might be accepted based on circumstances on the seller (which you don't know about). With high profile footballers you know the deal, you know if a club wants to sell, you know the rough value of a player and thus you know low bids will get you nowhere. Don't fool yourself into thinking this could happen, it won't even if this alleged bid is real....Higuain if we did bid for him (not sure this is real either) is more realistic.

Maybe however that doesn't really matter, I don't get the impression he wants to stay in England anyway from his comments, he pretty much said he feels victimised.

We're not in pole position at all, as said before we have no chance, we won't bid enough for them to accept, he would rather move elsewhere and they won't want to sell to an English club if they do. Don't fool yourself into thinking this can happen (even if the alleged bid is real), it won't, Higuain would be more realistic (again if the bid is real, pretty sceptical about that as well now).

[LDG]

Would much prefer Higuain tbh.

In any case, I tend to hold a slightly different view on stuff anyway. Personally, I think we need a striker, but that striker is only because we're short on bodies.

Yes, I want said striker to be very good, but I'm not sold that he needs to be a 30-40 million pound player, necessarily.

What we lack, is a couple of players who are genuine game changers. They don't HAVE to be strikers, and all the media shite is focused soley on business related to strikers.

We will score goals, we always do. We did last year, even without a high quality front man. The reason being is that we attack from all angles, not just through the middle.

So, to my mind, a top striker is needed, but not necessarily one which blows a big hole in the budget (if there is one, and they're not going to stuff their own pockets with it).

Personally (and I keep saying it), we need a magic winger with bags of creativity, and we need another worldy in the centre of midfield. Can either be a more defensive minded player, or a creative player. It's the presence we need in there, because you put balance around a couple of quality players, you get a team which starts challenging for trophies.

[Özim]

I disagree on the striker front, reason being in big games you only get a handful of chances and more often than not those will fall to strikers. With a top striker who can finish you know there's a much better chance of him taking those chances that come his way in these games....the lesser striker have a tendency to blow those crucial game winning chances.

I do think we could use a tricky winger and tough tackling midfielder, but I also think we need a top class striker to finish off the chances. A new goalie would have been good too, Chesney showed last season he's not ready.

[Letters]

Don't fool yourself into thinking we're attractive to Suarez, there's much bigger clubs who would be interested, clubs who sign top players, spend big and do anything to achieve success and achieve success.

We have no chance of signing him.
You're being a bit overly dismissive of our chances of getting him IMO. Not that I particularly want him, but still. We are a big club, we have a manger who (whatever you think) is still well respected in the game and we have the ability (possibly not the willingness) to pay good wages.

City aren't a big club, relative to Arsenal, but they attracted top players. They did it by throwing enough money around and...well, we can debate about ambition, I don't believe spending enough till you blunder your way to the title is ambition, but the players could see what was going on and believed the club were capable of winning trophies. If we show we're serious about competing by going after the players who can push us on then I don't think we'll have too much trouble attracting top players. What we have to do is stop messing around for the sake of a few million here and there. Of course there will be negotiation but too often it seems we walk away when the gap is only a couple of million.

[Ollie the Optimist]

It's completely different, you put in a lower offer in the hope it might be accepted based on circumstances on the seller (which you don't know about). With high profile footballers you know the deal, you know if a club wants to sell, you know the rough value of a player and thus you know low bids will get you nowhere. Don't fool yourself into thinking this could happen, it won't even if this alleged bid is real....Higuain if we did bid for him (not sure this is real either) is more realistic.

Maybe however that doesn't really matter, I don't get the impression he wants to stay in England anyway from his comments, he pretty much said he feels victimised.

We're not in pole position at all, as said before we have no chance, we won't bid enough for them to accept, he would rather move elsewhere and they won't want to sell to an English club if they do. Don't fool yourself into thinking this can happen (even if the alleged bid is real), it won't, Higuain would be more realistic (again if the bid is real, pretty sceptical about that as well now).

suarez wants out, thats a circumstance that a low bid could be accepted. you cant moan about arsenal offering low amounts of money instead of the asking price and then justify someone else doing it in other situations. thats just wuming and agenda driven.

i dont get the impression suarez wants to stay massively, but there have been suggestions he is open to staying, he has spoken saying he is flattered by us biddng for him, hardly the commennts of a man who 100% doesnt want to stay in england, but i agree, higuain is more realistic and less of a gamble. suarez could score us 30 goals, he could also be banned for 30 games by being well by being suarez

[Özim]

You're being a bit overly dismissive of our chances of getting him IMO. Not that I particularly want him, but still. We are a big club, we have a manger who (whatever you think) is still well respected in the game and we have the ability (possibly not the willingness) to pay good wages.

City aren't a big club, relative to Arsenal, but they attracted top players. They did it by throwing enough money around and...well, we can debate about ambition, I don't believe spending enough till you blunder your way to the title is ambition, but the players could see what was going on and believed the club were capable of winning trophies. If we show we're serious about competing by going after the players who can push us on then I don't think we'll have too much trouble attracting top players. What we have to do is stop messing around for the sake of a few million here and there. Of course there will be negotiation but too often it seems we walk away when the gap is only a couple of million.
Be realistic here, we've signed noone yet, we've basically done nothing but get into the top 4 since 2005 and have also sold our best players. Would you if you were a top player believe it would be a good place to come if you wanted to win silverware?

Whilst you say City aren't a big club, in the football world they are perceived to be due to their limitless resources. Look at the players they sign and can sign now, top players are interested in playing for them as they have loads of money and will spend it and have shown they can win and compete for trophies, which is at the end of the day what big players want.

Attracting big players is harder for us now as players don't really believe we're challengers, nothing we've done has shown we can be tbh, from our performances in the CL our domestic performances, our lack of spending and the fact we've sold top players has further reinforced the fact.

[Özim]

suarez wants out, thats a circumstance that a low bid could be accepted. you cant moan about arsenal offering low amounts of money instead of the asking price and then justify someone else doing it in other situations. thats just wuming and agenda driven.

i dont get the impression suarez wants to stay massively, but there have been suggestions he is open to staying, he has spoken saying he is flattered by us biddng for him, hardly the commennts of a man who 100% doesnt want to stay in england, but i agree, higuain is more realistic and less of a gamble. suarez could score us 30 goals, he could also be banned for 30 games by being well by being suarez
Liverpool don't want to sell and he's got many years of his contract left, they're in the driving seat and won't sell on the cheap...and certainly not to an English club if they can avoid it (if Chelsea or someone like that bid a huge amount it's possible of course but we won't be making bids like this). I don't justify other clubs bidding lower for top players no, but for rubbish players yes I will because if they don't perform they offer very little value to a team.

Suarez has given the impression he wants to leave English football due to feeling victimised and if he does leave Liverpool it will be abroad in all likelyness, I don't see a scenario where he would come to us.

[LDG]

Joel Campbell now has a work permit to play in England ##

[Power n Glory]

How is any of this different to the stories of us bidding for Mata, Xabi Alonso and whoever else but failing to meet the clubs valuation? Until we match Liverpool or Madrid’s valuation, this is the same shit different toilet.

[Letters]

Be realistic here, we've signed noone yet, we've basically done nothing but get into the top 4 since 2005 and have also sold our best players. Would you if you were a top player believe it would be a good place to come if you wanted to win silverware?

Whilst you say City aren't a big club, in the football world they are perceived to be due to their limitless resources. Look at the players they sign and can sign now, top players are interested in playing for them as they have loads of money and will spend it and have shown they can win and compete for trophies, which is at the end of the day what big players want.

Attracting big players is harder for us now as players don't really believe we're challengers, nothing we've done has shown we can be tbh, from our performances in the CL our domestic performances, our lack of spending and the fact we've sold top players has further reinforced the fact.
You're right about the perception of Arsenal but with our rich history and size of club it wouldn't take that much to change that perception.
Sign one big player and that would show everyone we mean business and are serious about competing, IMO.

[Niall_Quinn]

Of people will most likely see what happens and judge on that rather then just following an agenda now

Doesn't really matter what happens this season, the actions of past seasons are indictment enough. They have let the club fall into this state and they have done it deliberately. They chose the finances (particularly their own personal finances) over the football. Now when their excuses for shovelling money at themselves have worn thin and there's so much money coming in they can't hide it, yet again we see them penny pinching. A mother who won't feed her kids because supermarket prices are too high could also claim she is being financially prudent, in reality she's a lousy mother. Just as our board and manager are lousy at what they are supposed to be doing, competing on a football field. They could sign ten players this year but it doesn't excuse them of the damage already done.

[Niall_Quinn]

i don't know where you dream these little power games up, I really don't.

Just looking from the outside, they paid £25mill for him, so they won't be looking for a 5m mark up seeing as he is one of the biggest talents in world football right now, combined with the fact he is a Premiership player, so a premium valuation gets added to the blue ribbon players. Also throw in that Liverpool will see us as rivals, as silly as it sounds to many Arsenal fans, that is how they will call it, based on decades of history. So they are not going to sell cheap just on that basis alone - 40m to madrid is feasible but its even higher for a domestic 'rival'.

suarez would be a mistake. brilliant player, without doubt. but apart from the trouble you would guarantee in a year or two max he would be itching to move on to barca/madrid and co.

If we are playing mind games I'd just cut to the chase and say the Suarez circus is mostly about scupperring the Higuain deal. We put our bid in, it was accepted, the fans and media got excited, finally a big name is coming to Arsenal and then Higuain asks for £17.50 per year more than we are willing to pay. Put in a lowball bid for Suarez and send the message to Higuain he's not first choice (good thinking) and to Madrid that we're going to string them and mess them around. Madrid get upset and start biting back in the media. Success, everything blows up. We tried but everyone bar us was unreasonable. There's always January, we will sign big then.

[Niall_Quinn]

Joel Campbell now has a work permit to play in England ##

There we are then, problems solved. Get him in and hype him as the new Thierry Wright. Pocket the money, move on.

[Injury Time]

oh god this shit until end of 2nd Sept :ilt:

[selassie]

How is any of this different to the stories of us bidding for Mata, Xabi Alonso and whoever else but failing to meet the clubs valuation? Until we match Liverpool or Madrid’s valuation, this is the same shit different toilet.

Absolutely, but Arsene and Ivan will proudly proclaim come September that we put "big" offers in for players but the price was too high.

Arsene is a gambler, he lowballs in the hope the selling club will cave in, not going to happen with Suarez, Higuain or Fellaini, we either pay up (which is highly unlikely) or move on.

[selassie]

Of people will most likely see what happens and judge on that rather then just following an agenda now

Ollie, past history suggests we won't firm up our interest or go any higher with any of the bids we have put in. Tell me this, why do only offer once and then walk away?

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Sunderland have signed Giaccherini. :blink:

[Power n Glory]

Sunderland have signed Giaccherini. :blink:

Any good? Centre back, right?

We'll need one with Verms out injured for 4 months.

[Ollie the Optimist]

Ollie, past history suggests we won't firm up our interest or go any higher with any of the bids we have put in. Tell me this, why do only offer once and then walk away?

True past history isn't great but then again we didn't have the money either. Have we walked away from Suarez? Apparently we have upped our bid. Hence why I'm waiting before judging

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Any good? Centre back, right?

We'll need one with Verms out injured for 4 months.

Nah, midfielder. Haven't seen him play for Juventus much but he has been good for Italy when I've seen him. Scored against Brazil in the Confederations Cup.

[Fist of Lehmann]

Sunderland have signed Giaccherini. :blink:

How dafuq...??

Looks a quality player, far too good for Sunderland.

[selassie]

True past history isn't great but then again we didn't have the money either. Have we walked away from Suarez? Apparently we have upped our bid. Hence why I'm waiting before judging

Serious question.

Do you honestly believe we will sign Suarez? Liverpool will not give him away, I'd say if our interest is real we will get him for no less than 50million and that's if we are lucky. We are Liverpool's domestic rival FFS

[McNamara That Ghost...]

http://e1.365dm.com/13/04/402x210/Newcastle-v-Sunderland-Paolo-Di-Canio-celebra_2929676.jpg?2013-04-14%2014:08:14

I guess because of him.

Took me ages to pick an image, probably went for the worst option too. :lol:

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Serious question.

Do you honestly believe we will sign Suarez? Liverpool will not give him away, I'd say if our interest is real we will get him for no less than 50million and that's if we are lucky. We are Liverpool's domestic rival FFS

I don't think it would be that much, £40 million at most I would say. For one, he wants to leave and has made that clear and for another, Liverpool know what a complete mental case he is.

[Power n Glory]

Nah, midfielder. Haven't seen him play for Juventus much but he has been good for Italy when I've seen him. Scored against Brazil in the Confederations Cup.

Must be the Di Canio effect.

Sounds like a good signing for Sunderland. Are Juve that hard up on cash?

[McNamara That Ghost...]

They must be, like most Italian clubs. I didn't even think it had been mentioned he could be leaving. Guess it shows you never know unless you try.

[Grebbo]

I think Juve are less rich now because they don't have the Fiat income anymore. They're certainly not hard up though, any club paying Tevez's wages isn't hard up.

[PGFC]

There's always the match-fixing income to fall back on :good:

[Ollie the Optimist]

Serious question.

Do you honestly believe we will sign Suarez? Liverpool will not give him away, I'd say if our interest is real we will get him for no less than 50million and that's if we are lucky. We are Liverpool's domestic rival FFS


I actually hope we don't sign him, it's to big a gamble amd I don't feel comfortable having a racist playing for us. However I can see us signing him and getting a bid accepted. Liverpool right now might be historical rivals, but they are not close to us. It's like united amd judas I guess. Liverpool haven't challenged us for 2/3 years

[Xhaka Can’t]

I actually hope we don't sign him

Have I got some good news for you!

[Letters]

Have I got some good news for you!
:lol:

[selassie]

I don't think it would be that much, £40 million at most I would say. For one, he wants to leave and has made that clear and for another, Liverpool know what a complete mental case he is.

I dunno...I think Liverpool would be loathe to lose him to a domestic rival, I can see them letting him go to Real or on the continent for 40million, but I think they will try and take any domestic team to the cleaners in terms of a fee, if he stays in PL it will be one messy transfer regardless of where he goes.

FWIW I like him as a player, but like Ollie stated..I'm not comfortable about his attitude, he's an absolute headcase and a racist to boot.

[Özim]

Any good? Centre back, right?

We'll need one with Verms out injured for 4 months.
Guaccherini was awesome for Italy in the Confederations cup.

[Shaqiri Is Boss]

I don't think we'd have many qualms selling him to you, so long as the money was right. We sold Torres to Chelsea afterall, simply because Roman gave us a skip full of money. And I think he has already said he is honoured to be linked blah de blah. We can sell our biggest name to Chelsea of all teams, I don't think Arsenal are as big rivals (in that we don't hate you) in that regard.

But obviously we'd be desperate to sell him off abroad. I give it a few days before the Higuain + Cash for Suarez rumours start. And I daresay we'd accept lower from a foreign club in order to make that happen.

As for him only being a £30m player. :lol: No. No chance. And in any case, if the price did start to come down to this level I think bigger teams (and before you all start, you are a big team) would become interested. He was a coup when we got him for £22.8m, he's certainly a bigger player now.

As for whether he's worth the risk..... I'd say yes. Fucking mental, massive dickhead, ridiculous player. What makes things worse though is he seemed to have turned a corner before the Ivanovic thing; there was less remonstrating with officials, less idiocy, less theatrics, less of the attitude, but I think there will always be occasions where he flies off the handle. A comparison between him and Higuain are a bit off given they're totally different players. And of course, if he did stay in the country, given his excuses of not liking Britain and the controversy, he'd be our public enemy #1... which would make our games a little more interesting.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

I disagree on the striker front, reason being in big games you only get a handful of chances and more often than not those will fall to strikers. With a top striker who can finish you know there's a much better chance of him taking those chances that come his way in these games....the lesser striker have a tendency to blow those crucial game winning chances..

spot on.

with a van persie up top we would have been title contenders last season. we would have probably got about 10 extra points over the course of the season which takes us up to 83. at that stage you become title contenders.

i can think of a number of games where we missed an easy chance and ended up dropping points; sunderland at home, stoke away, man city away (cant really be classed as dropping points vs the champions but we bossed it and gervinho's chance in the last minute was gaping), fulham at home, man utd at home.

thats 15 off the top of my head. so i think a world class striker is crucial, you cant win anything and compete without one. the best form of defence is attack after all, and with a top striker we could be challenging. not to mention the confidence is gives the rest of the team knowing you have a monster up top. 2 seasons ago when we scraped over the line van persie inspired a whole team. its not far fetched to think that a suarez or higuain could take us up a notch.

[AKBapologist]

Apparently we bid on Edinson Cavani in jan, 30mill.

[Syn]

Apparently we bid on Edinson Cavani in jan, 30mill.

Apparently according to who? Because apparently some guy down the pub reckons we're close to signing Van Persie back from Man Utd.

[Master Splinter]

I give it a few days before the Higuain + Cash for Suarez rumours start.


http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/liverpool-transfers-luis-suarez-race-2055534

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=higuain+liverpool&oq=higuain+liverpool&aqs=chrome.0.69i57j69i65j0l3j69i60.4710j0&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#q=higuain+liverpool&source=univ&tbm=nws&tbo=u&sa=X&ei=GILlUb3GO4a8Pa-AgfgM&ved=0CC8QqAI&bav=on.2,or.r_qf.&bvm=bv.48705608,d.ZWU&fp=87a016785875309c&biw=1355&bih=643

[Shaqiri Is Boss]

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/liverpool-transfers-luis-suarez-race-2055534

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=higuain+liverpool&oq=higuain+liverpool&aqs=chrome.0.69i57j69i65j0l3j69i60.4710j0&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#q=higuain+liverpool&source=univ&tbm=nws&tbo=u&sa=X&ei=GILlUb3GO4a8Pa-AgfgM&ved=0CC8QqAI&bav=on.2,or.r_qf.&bvm=bv.48705608,d.ZWU&fp=87a016785875309c&biw=1355&bih=643

I give it a few days until my lottery numbers come up. :pray:

It's not much of a jump for journalists to make things up though...

[Master Splinter]

Apparently according to who? Because apparently some guy down the pub reckons we're close to signing Van Persie back from Man Utd.

Tbf, AKBapologist's "apparently" and ollie's "some guy on twitter said he saw some breaking news on ssn that was sourced from al-jazeera's sports desk who got it from pat nevin's mum but i can't link to it yet" are just as legitimate as any other transfer story you'll come across.

[Master Splinter]

I give it a few days until my lottery numbers come up. :pray:

Here. (https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=paul+konchesky+liverpool&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=MoblUZ_xLcjoPPK6gcgD&ved=0CAkQ_AUoAQ&biw=1355&bih=643)

[Seaman's Ponytail]

How dafuq...??

Looks a quality player, far too good for Sunderland.

How? They put in an offer, who'd have thought that type of approach would work?

I see reports of Utd eyeing up Fellaini re-emerging again today. We should have agreed personal terms with him back in June and activated the release clause on July 1 - deal done. But do we? Ever?

God this transfer window (like all previous ones) is making me bloody bitter