Summer Transfer Speculation and Shit

[Özim]

Even so, makes you wonder why they are goin after another striker having already brought one in.
Let me stop you right there, it's not because Suarez is coming to us, that's never happening in a month of Sundays. More likely Real or Bayern have snapped him up.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Oh joy.

Is he actually any good?

He's ok, bit of a work horse, like Negredo but not as prolific though he did score 20 last season. Scored a good goal in the Copa Del Rey final, though due to Falcao's work. :ninja: It's a bit odd how he tended to be more of the focus for Atleti towards the end of the season, rather than Old Man Falcao

[Shaqiri Is Boss]

He's ok, bit of a work horse, like Negredo but not as prolific though he did score 20 last season. Scored a good goal in the Copa Del Rey final, though due to Falcao's work. :ninja: It's a bit odd how he tended to be more of the focus for Atleti towards the end of the season, rather than Old Man Falcao

So a Mr Hyde version of Kuyt?

OOoooooo.

Not exactly the marquee name I'd have hoped for...

[KSE Comedy Club]

Let me stop you right there, it's not because Suarez is coming to us, that's never happening in a month of Sundays. More likely Real or Bayern have snapped him up.

:lol:

Yeh for a minute there I had some hope but luckily you've brought reality crashing back down!


Anyway, who needs Suarez?

We have Einstein a go go!

[Özim]

He's ok, bit of a work horse, like Negredo but not as prolific though he did score 20 last season. Scored a good goal in the Copa Del Rey final, though due to Falcao's work. :ninja: It's a bit odd how he tended to be more of the focus for Atleti towards the end of the season, rather than Old Man Falcao
Workhorses...hmmm aren't those donkeys?

I think they are/he is.

[Niall_Quinn]

Workhorses...hmmm aren't those donkeys?

I think they are/he is.

No need to get nasty. Calling him a Bendtner would be sufficient.

[Ollie the Optimist]

so these stories being leaked out of the club, that gazidis wants to spend big but wenger wont let him.


how convenien, especially days before the emirates has fans in. just blame wenger instead of standing up to him. leak stories so blame gets deflected off him and onto wenger.

[Özim]

Let's face it Wenger is as much to blame as anyone else, the guy just won't spend money, too risky for him. Today in a question and answers session he vetted all the questions to make sure noone asked him about signings, he's a control freak.

[Ollie the Optimist]

Let's face it Wenger is as much to blame as anyone else, the guy just won't spend money, too risky for him. Today in a question and answers session he vetted all the questions to make sure noone asked him about signings, he's a control freak.

i didnt say he wasnt to blame, he is to blame but so is gazidis. these stories coming out that he wants to spend but wenger wont let him is just pathetic. he knows fans are angry so he is leaking stories while hiding behind wenger saying its his fault, not mine, dont say nasty things baout me at the weekend.

and that google hangout thing, i seriously doubt wenger would have vetted the questions himself, someone else would have been in charge, and if you thought for one second that he would answer questions about the state of the suarez deal etc then you naive. its a corperate event, he wasnt going to suddenly come out and tell some strange on google taht he was close to suarez etc.

[Japan Shaking All Over]

Surely they won't put out a replay of this? Somebody at the club must have the sense to step in and kill this now before it goes venereal?

worse than a hanoi weekend

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

there's a wenger out protest being planned on twitter

:popcorn:

[GP]

Wenger doesn't read twitter so he won't be affected.

[Japan Shaking All Over]

Apparently we've made a £21m bid for Diego Costa.

Er.... Maccy!!

see.....that extra pound does come in handy

[Ollie the Optimist]

stuff being said on twitter now that with gazidis briefing the press that its wenger refusing to spend, he fails to mention how he took his wife with him on the Asia tour.

oh dear, working hard are we gazidis? or just taking a holiday and blaming wenger

[GP]

Costa :lol:

Awful Starbucks

[Japan Shaking All Over]

there's a wenger out protest being planned on twitter

:popcorn:

FY and bin liners?

[McNamara That Ghost...]

So a Mr Hyde version of Kuyt?

OOoooooo.

Not exactly the marquee name I'd have hoped for...

He is the forward's Pepe, if you will.

[Shaqiri Is Boss]

He is the forward's Pepe, if you will.

We're doomed.

[LDG]

What a mess.


















Liverpool :pal:

[Niall_Quinn]

None of that shit is happening. There's no internal war going on. They are all tuned the same. Perhaps some of the old boys are panicking about what their fellow buffers will say at the cigar club, but that's not grounds for a revolt. Especially as they could just as easily go golfing in this great weather.

[LDG]

there's a wenger out protest being planned on twitter

:popcorn:

Are these dudes thick of what.

It should be "sack gazidis" first.

Wenger has won two doubles, another league title and another FA Cup.

What the absolute fuck has that bald **** ever done for us.

Wenger needs a kick up the arse, and some direction from the board, yes, but that Mandleson....sorry...Ivan, needs stringing up.

[Ollie the Optimist]

:gp:

[Xhaka Can’t]

I have had problems in the past with a 'Wenger Out' protest and still feel uncomfortable with it now, but I understand it. He may have won all that stuff years ago, and I'll always be grateful for it, but he is at the very least complicit in the situation we are in now. I want and have wanted him out for some time and can't bear the same shit continuing.

Wenger is the goose that laid the golden egg for the twats in power within this Club. If he starts getting heat maybe it will change things, though I doubt it.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

Are these dudes thick of what.

It should be "sack gazidis" first.

Wenger has won two doubles, another league title and another FA Cup.

What the absolute fuck has that bald **** ever done for us.

Wenger needs a kick up the arse, and some direction from the board, yes, but that Mandleson....sorry...Ivan, needs stringing up.

i guess the argument is that if wenger really wanted certain players, they would have been signed. who do you think gave the all clear to stop higuain altogether and go for suarez? it would have been wenger. and it was a ridiculous decision. so no kicking up the arse will do because wenger wont listen.

the point seems to be that wenger's dithering and it's holding us back.

[Niall_Quinn]

I have had problems in the past with a 'Wenger Out' protest and still feel uncomfortable with it now, but I understand it. He may have won all that stuff years ago, and I'll always be grateful for it, but he is at the very least complicit in the situation we are in now. I want and have wanted him out for some time and can't bear the same shit continuing.

Wenger is the goose that laid the golden egg for the twats in power within this Club. If he starts getting heat maybe it will change things, though I doubt it.

Their goose would be cooked?

[Niall_Quinn]

i guess the argument is that if wenger really wanted certain players, they would have been signed. who do you think gave the all clear to stop higuain altogether and go for suarez? it would have been wenger. and it was a ridiculous decision. so no kicking up the arse will do because wenger wont listen.

the point seems to be that wenger's dithering and it's holding us back.

We thought we were getting a great deal at £23mill and we were. If you look at the ridiculous prices for other players Higuain was a steal at £23mill. Then another club came in - a nasty side effect of the free market. The price went up - supply and demand, and suddenly Higuain was going for the market price. That put us out of the running because we just won't pay the market price. This all stems from the fact those ignorant bitches at all the other clubs refuse to listen when Arsene sets the price of a player.

[LDG]

I have had problems in the past with a 'Wenger Out' protest and still feel uncomfortable with it now, but I understand it. He may have won all that stuff years ago, and I'll always be grateful for it, but he is at the very least complicit in the situation we are in now. I want and have wanted him out for some time and can't bear the same shit continuing.

Wenger is the goose that laid the golden egg for the twats in power within this Club. If he starts getting heat maybe it will change things, though I doubt it.

Sorry...should have said;

Gazidis (still can't spell that ****s name...) FIRST

Then you start the campaign for the rest of 'em.

Take the viper out first, then the manager.

[Ollie the Optimist]

I have had problems in the past with a 'Wenger Out' protest and still feel uncomfortable with it now, but I understand it. He may have won all that stuff years ago, and I'll always be grateful for it, but he is at the very least complicit in the situation we are in now. I want and have wanted him out for some time and can't bear the same shit continuing.

Wenger is the goose that laid the golden egg for the twats in power within this Club. If he starts getting heat maybe it will change things, though I doubt it.

on the football pitch, there are very valid arguments for wenger going or staying and i respect both sides unless people start to abuse him, which i find unaccpetable and there are acceptable reasons for marching in a wenger out protest during the season when results are shit, out of cups etc etc

but this wenger out march, or supposed one, is to do with lack of signings atm i think, thats where the anger is and this is why i think gazidis needs to be targeted. he came out with the billy big bollocks line of we've got lots of money and suddenly deals arent being done, and stories come out that gazidis wants to spend big but wenger wont let him. he fucked up by saying we have loads of money and is now shafting wenger and turned fans this window against him even more. this is why a wenger out march this weekend is pointless because its targetting the wrong person IMO for the failings of the transfer window so far.

[LDG]

i guess the argument is that if wenger really wanted certain players, they would have been signed. who do you think gave the all clear to stop higuain altogether and go for suarez? it would have been wenger. and it was a ridiculous decision. so no kicking up the arse will do because wenger wont listen.

the point seems to be that wenger's dithering and it's holding us back.

My point is that there is more "Arsenal" in wenger than these yanks, their spin doctors and their sleezey lawyers.

What is absurd, is that the fans are trying to get rid of the one person left who has Arsenal in his blood.

And leaving our fate as a club with an American who knows absolutely nothing about us, other than we make him a lot of money.

[Niall_Quinn]

That Wenger Out march is going to be three piss heads stomping up and down. Nobody is going to give a shit about that at the Emirates cup. People will be too busy buying ice cream and making sure the kids have their sun screen.

[GP]

My point is that there is more "Arsenal" in wenger than these yanks, their spin doctors and their sleezey lawyers.

What is absurd, is that the fans are trying to get rid of the one person left who has Arsenal in his blood.

And leaving our fate as a club with an American who knows absolutely nothing about us, other than we make him a lot of money.

If the board sack Wenger, would you trust them to properly replace him?

[Ollie the Optimist]

i guess the argument is that if wenger really wanted certain players, they would have been signed. who do you think gave the all clear to stop higuain altogether and go for suarez? it would have been wenger. and it was a ridiculous decision. so no kicking up the arse will do because wenger wont listen.

the point seems to be that wenger's dithering and it's holding us back.

while going from higuain to suarez might have been the wrong decision, i reckon it was a football decision. we know suarez would cost more, wenger would know and the board would know, so in my mind they made it more as a footballing decision then a buisness decision.

however, wenger will know we need a striker, he will also know we need to make a statement signing. well actually any signing almost right now. but the dithering? i dont think its just him, i think the board are dithering themselves too. i find it very convenient the days before the emirates is full again that stoires are being leaked taht gazidis wants to spend. gets blame off them when i think they are ditthering just like wenger

[LDG]

That Wenger Out march is going to be three piss heads stomping up and down. Nobody is going to give a shit about that at the Emirates cup. People will be too busy buying ice cream and making sure the kids have their sun screen.

Balti ice cream :bow:

[Ollie the Optimist]

If the board sack Wenger, would you trust them to properly replace him?

if the board sack wenger, they'll ask his advice on his successor so the same cycle continues

[GP]

while going from higuain to suarez might have been the wrong decision, i reckon it was a football decision. we know suarez would cost more, wenger would know and the board would know, so in my mind they made it more as a footballing decision then a buisness decision.

however, wenger will know we need a striker, he will also know we need to make a statement signing. well actually any signing almost right now. but the dithering? i dont think its just him, i think the board are dithering themselves too. i find it very convenient the days before the emirates is full again that stoires are being leaked taht gazidis wants to spend. gets blame off them when i think they are ditthering just like wenger

It definitely sounds like Wenger is being thrown under the bus.

[LDG]

If the board sack Wenger, would you trust them to properly replace him?

Well no. Hence my "they go first" post.

[Niall_Quinn]

If the board sack Wenger, would you trust them to properly replace him?

Yes, absolutely. There's no way they would 100% cock it up

[McNamara That Ghost...]

We're doomed.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTeVf0I_JmA&sns=tw

What a WUM. :lol:

[Ollie the Optimist]

It definitely sounds like Wenger is being thrown under the bus.

sounds like? he is 100% being thrown under a bus

[Niall_Quinn]

while going from higuain to suarez might have been the wrong decision, i reckon it was a football decision. we know suarez would cost more, wenger would know and the board would know, so in my mind they made it more as a footballing decision then a buisness decision.

however, wenger will know we need a striker, he will also know we need to make a statement signing. well actually any signing almost right now. but the dithering? i dont think its just him, i think the board are dithering themselves too. i find it very convenient the days before the emirates is full again that stoires are being leaked taht gazidis wants to spend. gets blame off them when i think they are ditthering just like wenger

Well it seems that what's really happened is they have underbid on two players now.

Gazidis will spend and spend big - that's what you do when you get a £1mill bonus. Happy days.

[Shaqiri Is Boss]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTeVf0I_JmA&sns=tw

What a WUM. :lol:

Oh my actual god he's a biter as well.

What is going through Rodgers' head?!

[Xhaka Can’t]

My point is that there is more "Arsenal" in wenger than these yanks, their spin doctors and their sleezey lawyers.

What is absurd, is that the fans are trying to get rid of the one person left who has Arsenal in his blood.

And leaving our fate as a club with an American who knows absolutely nothing about us, other than we make him a lot of money.

Our fate is already sealed. And Wenger is complicit in it.

But you and I know what matters to them - so even though some other **** will take my seat, I'm going to fuck all matches and I'm buying zero merchandise. I've grown to detest what this Club has become.

[LDG]

sounds like? he is 100% being thrown under a bus

He's a very tall guy. 100% maybe pushing it. 2% away maybe.

[Niall_Quinn]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTeVf0I_JmA&sns=tw

What a WUM. :lol:

Love it. Why didn't we sign him FFS?

[GP]

Our fate is already sealed. And Wenger is complicit in it.

But you and I know what matters to them - so even though some other **** will take my seat, I'm going to fuck all matches and I'm buying zero merchandise. I've grown to detest what this Club has become.

I've grown to detest what your face has become.

[Ollie the Optimist]

Well it seems that what's really happened is they have underbid on two players now.

Gazidis will spend and spend big - that's what you do when you get a £1mill bonus. Happy days.

we have underbid, and gazidis is as guilty as wenger in that department. they agree the bid and then gazidis makes it. (well he did with suarez according to the media) yet he claims he wants to spend big but wengers stopping him.

bullshit, he is as guilty of trying to get cheap options and save money. and whats stopping him when wenger leaves the room adding on more money to the bid? if he went behind wengers back and bought suarez for 50 million? would wenger refuse to play him? no of course not. its cowardly, pathetic and detestable the lengths gazidis is going to, to deflect blame off himself onto wenger

[Niall_Quinn]

I've grown to detest what your face has become.

So a little gratitude as he saved you from being a shortarse.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

My point is that there is more "Arsenal" in wenger than these yanks, their spin doctors and their sleezey lawyers.

What is absurd, is that the fans are trying to get rid of the one person left who has Arsenal in his blood.

And leaving our fate as a club with an American who knows absolutely nothing about us, other than we make him a lot of money.

great point, but i guess that's also the problem. you point out that "wenger has won two doubles, another league title and another FA Cup", but maybe his past success is hindering us? it's biding him more time than it should do and tbh it isnt doing us any good. every year we are getting worse.

of course, a lot of this depends on whether we trust the board to bring in the right replacement but even so, at least there will be hope that things will change. also, you pointed out that wenger has been here longer than gazidis so perhaps the latter should bear the front of the protest, but our problems started long before gazidis came so maybe its wenger and not gazidis thats the problem? i mean you cant for one minute believe that ivan would give the speech he did at the beginning of the summer without honestly thinking we were going to alter our ways this year? he is well aware of the animosity towards him and the last thing he would want to do is add fire to the fuel by intentionally underspending.

so something has changed between the time of his speech and now, and without wanting to sound like a broken record, there's only one man the finger seems to point to (once again)..

[LDG]

Our fate is already sealed. And Wenger is complicit in it.

But you and I know what matters to them - so even though some other **** will take my seat, I'm going to fuck all matches and I'm buying zero merchandise. I've grown to detest what this Club has become.

I have too. I hate it. Hate it. Hate it.

But I just can't walk away.

I sti can't bring myself to despise wenger and commit to fully wanting him gone.

That's what these fuckers play on. Emotional ties, built on years of good times
and bad times and uniting together as fans to get behind the one thing we all have in common.

And that's why we're being ripped apart in-house.

How can I want Wenger out before all these "sorts"?

Fuck, it's all gone potty, but my affection for Arsenal and it's history will forever lean me to support The Arsenal, however much it's class has been stripped away.

That turmoil is why it hurts and frustrates so much.

I don't care if we spend 10mil or 50mil, as long as I believe we are trying to move forward, trying on the pitch and being togther as a board, support, and team.

#ramble

[Niall_Quinn]

we have underbid, and gazidis is as guilty as wenger in that department. they agree the bid and then gazidis makes it. (well he did with suarez according to the media) yet he claims he wants to spend big but wengers stopping him.

bullshit, he is as guilty of trying to get cheap options and save money. and whats stopping him when wenger leaves the room adding on more money to the bid? if he went behind wengers back and bought suarez for 50 million? would wenger refuse to play him? no of course not. its cowardly, pathetic and detestable the lengths gazidis is going to, to deflect blame off himself onto wenger

£40mill is not a cheap option though, is it? There's more to it than that. The pair of them bid £40mill because:

a) They didn't do their homework on the contract or
2) They never wanted the bid to be accepted in the first place because it was designed for show

Option 1 means they are both completely incompetent, or at the very least Wenger trusts an incompetent,
Option B means they have done it again and suckered the fans - all that shit didn't hurt the new kit sales I'll bet.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

while going from higuain to suarez might have been the wrong decision, i reckon it was a football decision. we know suarez would cost more, wenger would know and the board would know, so in my mind they made it more as a footballing decision then a buisness decision.

however, wenger will know we need a striker, he will also know we need to make a statement signing. well actually any signing almost right now. but the dithering? i dont think its just him, i think the board are dithering themselves too. i find it very convenient the days before the emirates is full again that stoires are being leaked taht gazidis wants to spend. gets blame off them when i think they are ditthering just like wenger

it was a football decision ollie but it was another fuck up in a long list of fuck ups. you had a world class striker with a world class record who was willing to join us. so what his price went up to £30m after we agreed terms? if you want top players you need to pay top money. and id argue £30m for him isnt even extortionate, its market rate.

its not like we've splashed out over the past few years to be saying 'well higuain costs too much as we spent a lot last summer, so we cant afford him'. its been the complete opposite.

the footballing decisions at this club have been borderline mad. from tactics, to transfers, to wages. madness.

[LDG]

Awful phone spelling, btw. Also little bit wine and beer.

[Ollie the Optimist]

£40mill is not a cheap option though, is it? There's more to it than that. The pair of them bid £40mill because:

a) They didn't do their homework on the contract or
2) They never wanted the bid to be accepted in the first place because it was designed for show

Option 1 means they are both completely incompetent, or at the very least Wenger trusts an incompetent,
Option B means they have done it again and suckered the fans - all that shit didn't hurt the new kit sales I'll bet.

that was kind of the point i was making, they are both in this together. its not wenger and poor gazidis cant do anything, its both of them. and gazidis is going along with it, instead of standing up to wenger like he should if he wants to spend money.

[Ollie the Optimist]

it was a football decision ollie but it was another fuck up in a long list of fuck ups. you had a world class striker with a world class record who was willing to join us. so what his price went up to £30m after we agreed terms? if you want top players you need to pay top money. and id argue £30m for him isnt even extortionate, its market rate.

its not like we've splashed out over the past few years to be saying 'well higuain costs too much as we spent a lot last summer, so we cant afford him'. its been the complete opposite.

the footballing decisions at this club have been borderline mad. from tactics, to transfers, to wages. madness.


not aruging with that, i think not getting higuain is shocking. no baggage, world class etc etc.


we've heard gazidis say he wants big name players, world class players and we can afford them. he hsould know his football, he should know that suarez, higuain and rooney were the only realistic world class players we could sign this summer. its now only suarez. he should be telling wenger that we need him, no dithering I'm going to bid and get him whatever he takes. but because he doesnt do this, he goes along with wenger, by choice imo, hes as guitly as not doing as wenger is yet tries to make it out like he is trying and wenger isn't

[Xhaka Can’t]

I have too. I hate it. Hate it. Hate it.

But I just can't walk away.

I sti can't bring myself to despise wenger and commit to fully wanting him gone.

That's what these fuckers play on. Emotional ties, built on years of good times
and bad times and uniting together as fans to get behind the one thing we all have in common.

And that's why we're being ripped apart in-house.

How can I want Wenger out before all these "sorts"?

Fuck, it's all gone potty, but my affection for Arsenal and it's history will forever lean me to support The Arsenal, however much it's class has been stripped away.

That turmoil is why it hurts and frustrates so much.

I don't care if we spend 10mil or 50mil, as long as I believe we are trying to move forward, trying on the pitch and being togther as a board, support, and team.

#ramble

:gp:

[Niall_Quinn]

I have too. I hate it. Hate it. Hate it.

But I just can't walk away.

I sti can't bring myself to despise wenger and commit to fully wanting him gone.

That's what these fuckers play on. Emotional ties, built on years of good times
and bad times and uniting together as fans to get behind the one thing we all have in common.

And that's why we're being ripped apart in-house.

How can I want Wenger out before all these "sorts"?

Fuck, it's all gone potty, but my affection for Arsenal and it's history will forever lean me to support The Arsenal, however much it's class has been stripped away.

That turmoil is why it hurts and frustrates so much.

I don't care if we spend 10mil or 50mil, as long as I believe we are trying to move forward, trying on the pitch and being togther as a board, support, and team.

#ramble

Add to it all we have two fucking billionaires who haven't put a penny into the club. Every inch has been ground out through gate receipts, TV revenue, merchandise and the sale of players the fans also paid for with more receipts, TV revenues, merchandise. These fuckers haven't given a thing back. Not one tiny concession.

[Niall_Quinn]

that was kind of the point i was making, they are both in this together. its not wenger and poor gazidis cant do anything, its both of them. and gazidis is going along with it, instead of standing up to wenger like he should if he wants to spend money.

Oh okay, in which case

:gp: agree 100%

[Niall_Quinn]

Awful phone spelling, btw. Also little bit wine and beer.

Which reminds me, it's time to top up the alcohol levels.

[fakeyank]

I have too. I hate it. Hate it. Hate it.

But I just can't walk away.

I sti can't bring myself to despise wenger and commit to fully wanting him gone.

That's what these fuckers play on. Emotional ties, built on years of good times
and bad times and uniting together as fans to get behind the one thing we all have in common.

And that's why we're being ripped apart in-house.

How can I want Wenger out before all these "sorts"?

Fuck, it's all gone potty, but my affection for Arsenal and it's history will forever lean me to support The Arsenal, however much it's class has been stripped away.

That turmoil is why it hurts and frustrates so much.

I don't care if we spend 10mil or 50mil, as long as I believe we are trying to move forward, trying on the pitch and being togther as a board, support, and team.

#ramble

Let's get a beer... I cant see you like this! :(

[Ollie the Optimist]

Let's get a beer... I cant see you like this! :(


make sure its before the villa game. afterwards we might all be on suicide watch

[Niall_Quinn]

Let's get a beer... I cant see you like this! :(

It's a myth that alcohol improves eyesight, if anything it's the opposite.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

not aruging with that, i think not getting higuain is shocking. no baggage, world class etc etc.


we've heard gazidis say he wants big name players, world class players and we can afford them. he hsould know his football, he should know that suarez, higuain and rooney were the only realistic world class players we could sign this summer. its now only suarez. he should be telling wenger that we need him, no dithering I'm going to bid and get him whatever he takes. but because he doesnt do this, he goes along with wenger, by choice imo, hes as guitly as not doing as wenger is yet tries to make it out like he is trying and wenger isn't

id actually argue higuain was the only realistic target we could get this summer. but the whole point is, in footballing terms, it was a massive cock up. we could have wrapped up higuain - a world class player - and embedded him into the team with a month to spare before the new season, which would have given us an opportunity to focus on other areas that needed strengthening. now its the same story as before, pissing around with a player (suarez) until the last day of the window where we could already be 5 points behind the leaders and out of the champions league. its going to have another catastrophic effect on our season and completely unsettle the side for the first month.

can you imagine what it will be like if we draw against villa in the opening game and then lose to spurs at home a few weeks later? they honestly have no-one else but themselves to blame.

[Xhaka Can’t]

Add to it all we have two fucking billionaires who haven't put a penny into the club. Every inch has been ground out through gate receipts, TV revenue, merchandise and the sale of players the fans also paid for with more receipts, TV revenues, merchandise. These fuckers haven't given a thing back. Not one tiny concession.

The thing is, I don't want nor do I think we need one tiny concession from them. All I want is for our Club to want to win and to use the resources it generates through us to work towards winning.

I don't need our club to win, all I want is for our Club to do what it can. The pusuit of winning is more important than the end result - I need something to get behind other than the balance sheet.

[Ollie the Optimist]

id actually argue higuain was the only realistic target we could get this summer. but the whole point is, in footballing terms, it was a massive cock up. we could have wrapped up higuain - a world class player - and embedded him into the team with a month to spare before the new season, which would give us an opportunity to also focus on other areas that needed strengthening. now its the same story as before, pissing around with a player (suarez) until the last day of the window where we could already be 5 points behind the leaders and out of the champions league. its going to have another catastrophic effect on our season and completely unsettle the side for the first month.

can you imagine what it will be like if we draw against villa in the opening game and then lose to spurs at home a few weeks later? they honestly have no-one else but themselves to blame.

losing to spurs at home? i dont even want to think of that prospect. there'd be blood

[Ralpheroo72]

http://www.espn.co.uk/football/sport/story/226815.html?CMP=OTC-RSS

Old news, but everytime I read it I become more angry. Wenger has done a lot for us, but Jesus Christ, is he smoking skunk?

[Ollie the Optimist]

blid tonight reporting bayern will allow Gustavo to leave and taht he has an offer from us and chelsea.


id take him in a heartbeat myself. http://www.bild.de/sport/fussball/luiz-gustavo/geht-er-zu-wolfsburg-31625656.bild.html theres the link but its in german

[LDG]

Let's get a beer... I cant see you like this! :(

My angst, fury and dispair is aimed at the board and the management, not the players (sort of....there better be no Gervinho :threaten: )

I'll be there. Beer. And cheering them on.

What else can I do.

:scarf:

[Ollie the Optimist]

http://www.espn.co.uk/football/sport/story/226815.html?CMP=OTC-RSS

Old news, but everytime I read it I become more angry. Wenger has done a lot for us, but Jesus Christ, is he smoking skunk?

may i suggest not reading it then?

[Niall_Quinn]

The thing is, I don't want nor do I think we need one tiny concession from them. All I want is for our Club to want to win and to use the resources it generates through us to work towards winning.

I don't need our club to win, all I want is for our Club to do what it can. The pusuit of winning is more important than the end result - I need something to get behind other than the balance sheet.

This whole idea of the shareholders getting the fans to buy them a shiny new stadium in return for a decade of shit football isn't working out for me any more. I'd like to win. I think we've been 2-3 players away from a serious challenge for years. I think you have to want to win if you claim to be a top club. Top club to me means winning. To them it means having money. Well they have a whole pile of money now and of course by concession I mean give us back some of our money. Obviously I didn't mean those ****s contribute in any way. They'd be reduced to your common billionaire if they did that, but we all know they are different and special.

[Niall_Quinn]

http://www.espn.co.uk/football/sport/story/226815.html?CMP=OTC-RSS

Old news, but everytime I read it I become more angry. Wenger has done a lot for us, but Jesus Christ, is he smoking skunk?

Which reminds me...

[Niall_Quinn]

losing to spurs at home? i dont even want to think of that prospect. there'd be blood

Especially is Suarez is playing.

[Shaqiri Is Boss]

Especially is Suarez is playing.

:haha:

You said 'is'.

:haha:

You said 'Suarez'.

[GP]

:haha:

You said 'is'.

:haha:

You said 'Suarez'.

OMFG :haha: :haha:

[LDG]

The thing is, I don't want nor do I think we need one tiny concession from them. All I want is for our Club to want to win and to use the resources it generates through us to work towards winning.

I don't need our club to win, all I want is for our Club to do what it can. The pusuit of winning is more important than the end result - I need something to get behind other than the balance sheet.

Bang on.

I'm sure they'll still have enough sloshing around to spend on ugly redneck whores on Stan's ranch.

[Niall_Quinn]

:haha:

You said 'is'.

:haha:

You said 'Suarez'.

Fuck it! Bastard **** keywboard.

[Shaqiri Is Boss]

Fuck it! Bastard **** keywboard.

:haha:

You said 'keywboard'.

Lauren Harries.

[Niall_Quinn]

Bang on.

I'm sure they'll still have enough sloshing around to spend on ugly redneck whores on Stan's ranch.

I bet they get pretty lesbian whores, knowing them.

[LDG]

Lauren Harries :haha:

[Niall_Quinn]

:haha:

You said 'keywboard'.

Lauren Harries.

So fucking childish it's unreal.

[Marc Overmars]

The thing is, I don't want nor do I think we need one tiny concession from them. All I want is for our Club to want to win and to use the resources it generates through us to work towards winning.

I don't need our club to win, all I want is for our Club to do what it can. The pusuit of winning is more important than the end result - I need something to get behind other than the balance sheet.

Pretty much.

There is a very deep rooted problem at the club and it's fairly obvious that nothing is going to change, regardless of how much cash we have to spend. We're late to the party and all the cake has been eaten by other clubs.

[LDG]

So fucking childish it's unreal.

http://www.whoateallthepies.tv/_40767996_james203other.jpg

[Niall_Quinn]

Reported! And totally 100% absolutely completely fuck you!

[BlindFaith_8]

Had a message from a fellow goon apparently in the know that Arsehole Wanker and Chips Cheswick & Phil Harris have been involved in heated exchanges in the board room. The board members literally ordered Wanker to spend over £40 mill on Suarez, that is Liverpool have said he's yours for £50 Mill, Chips and Phil were pushing Wanker to make the offer and secure the deal. The story goes that Wanker wanted to save the £10 mill for 2 unknown centrebacks, but he's knocked them off his shopping list as he believes Sagna can do the job. Wanker has the Yank on his side and has refused to budge on the £40 Mill as Stanley has advised Wanker that your're in charge , do whatever you want, and I'll make sure the board back you

[Harland]

It definitely sounds like Wenger is being thrown under the bus.

And when I want a manager LIKE Mourinho in charge where he will not be thrown under the bus without making it known so, you decide to attack me.

If Wenger is being thrown under the bus, why doesn't he challenge them and make it known? If the fans accept that we have limitations there will be much more understanding on our end.

Managers like to see players giving it their all on the pitch. We as fans want to see them giving their all but right now what we are saying is that we are SUFFERING majorly because on the surface of it it is the refusal of our manager to adapt to today's market. But hey we have had 4 signings already, Sanogo, Diaby, Cezalem (?) and Bale (off to RM it seems).

Also, don't forget that our existing squad have improved over the last year and this logic doesn't extend to our rivals and lets ignore the fact that they actually added quality to their squad.

I was watching MCFC vs Bayern and I must say, I remember reading posters saying that MCFC's additions are not better than what we have. That is so laughable at this point in time.

[Niall_Quinn]

Apart from which, I didn't even type that post. I accidentally left my computer unlocked and my cousin is staying with me at the moment so I think it's pretty obvious what happened next.

[Ollie the Optimist]

Had a message from a fellow goon apparently in the know that Arsehole Wanker and Chips Cheswick & Phil Harris have been involved in heated exchanges in the board room. The board members literally ordered Wanker to spend over £40 mill on Suarez, that is Liverpool have said he's yours for £50 Mill, Chips and Phil were pushing Wanker to make the offer and secure the deal. The story goes that Wanker wanted to save the £10 mill for 2 unknown centrebacks, but he's knocked them off his shopping list as he believes Sagna can do the job. Wanker has the Yank on his side and has refused to budge on the £40 Mill as Stanley has advised Wanker that your're in charge , do whatever you want, and I'll make sure the board back you

you mean what you did was read myles palmer's post this morning.


and myles palmer talks nothing but bullshit

[GP]

Had a message from a fellow goon apparently in the know that Arsehole Wanker and Chips Cheswick & Phil Harris have been involved in heated exchanges in the board room. The board members literally ordered Wanker to spend over £40 mill on Suarez, that is Liverpool have said he's yours for £50 Mill, Chips and Phil were pushing Wanker to make the offer and secure the deal. The story goes that Wanker wanted to save the £10 mill for 2 unknown centrebacks, but he's knocked them off his shopping list as he believes Sagna can do the job. Wanker has the Yank on his side and has refused to budge on the £40 Mill as Stanley has advised Wanker that your're in charge , do whatever you want, and I'll make sure the board back you

So why don't they make the offer themselves?

Because it's bullshit.

[LDG]

you mean what you did was read myles palmer's post this morning.


and myles palmer talks nothing but bullshit

:haha:

Pretty much!

[Niall_Quinn]

So why don't they make the offer themselves?

Because it's bullshit.

Because they don't agree with newfangled telephonic devices.

[Niall_Quinn]

So there we are, another daily transfer round-up. Bit better today because we had Arsene and the four stooges to liven things up. Off to watch BT Sport regardless of what's on because it's new so therefore good.

[Power n Glory]

we have underbid, and gazidis is as guilty as wenger in that department. they agree the bid and then gazidis makes it. (well he did with suarez according to the media) yet he claims he wants to spend big but wengers stopping him.

bullshit, he is as guilty of trying to get cheap options and save money. and whats stopping him when wenger leaves the room adding on more money to the bid? if he went behind wengers back and bought suarez for 50 million? would wenger refuse to play him? no of course not. its cowardly, pathetic and detestable the lengths gazidis is going to, to deflect blame off himself onto wenger

Come on now, dude, you're deflecting way too much attention away from Wenger. Before Gazidis and we sold Vieria, we were all crying out for a replacement but it never came. Wenger stuck to his guns and kept with Cesc and Flamini. I'm sure he felt some vindication after seeing how Cesc turned out and would probably argue he was right all along. But such decisions cost us Pires, Ljunberg and then Henry. This was all before Gazidis and all three were calling for more experience before the left. When we had a chance to win the title, the Eduardo leg break season, Wenger was acting as the Chief Exec. He chose not to strengthen in the winter, we blew the title lead and then we lose Hleb and Flamini. Whose at fault for that? There was no Gazidis or Stan plus Wenger was doing Dein's job!

It's time to see the light, dude. Wenger has gotten off far too lightly.

[Harland]

while going from higuain to suarez might have been the wrong decision, i reckon it was a football decision. we know suarez would cost more, wenger would know and the board would know, so in my mind they made it more as a footballing decision then a buisness decision.

however, wenger will know we need a striker, he will also know we need to make a statement signing. well actually any signing almost right now. but the dithering? i dont think its just him, i think the board are dithering themselves too. i find it very convenient the days before the emirates is full again that stoires are being leaked taht gazidis wants to spend. gets blame off them when i think they are ditthering just like wenger

Ollie, seriously, please tell me this.

How is that a legitimate footballing decision as you said, we KNOW suarez would cost more but that counts for absolutely pointless if we are not willing to meet the valuation for him?

Why don't we just bid the 50 million that Suarez is valued at for Messi and Ronaldo?

[LDG]

20 mins for us to wait before Cripps posts up the BBC gossip.....

:popcorn:

[Ralpheroo72]

may i suggest that I am Wengers lovechild, and you may never speak ill of him?

Ok, calm down.

[Marc Overmars]

The board being at odds with Wenget is something that could be true. Gazidis felt the urge to stick their neck on the line by shamelessly boasting about being in a position to spend big on players like Rooney, so if it is Wenget dithering they have grounds to be annoyed as they're being shown up.

However seeing as it's from ANR I'd take it with a pinch of salt.

Whatever the problem is, it's fairly clear that something at the top is very fucked up. This board and manager are made for each other, he seemingly has no desire to gamble and push the boat out for the team, while they are happy to give him a free reign because he's risk-free financially.

[Niall_Quinn]

So there we are, another daily transfer round-up. Bit better today because we had Arsene and the four stooges to liven things up. Off to watch BT Sport regardless of what's on because it's new so therefore good.

Oh well, that was shit.

[Power n Glory]

great point, but i guess that's also the problem. you point out that "wenger has won two doubles, another league title and another FA Cup", but maybe his past success is hindering us? it's biding him more time than it should do and tbh it isnt doing us any good. every year we are getting worse.

of course, a lot of this depends on whether we trust the board to bring in the right replacement but even so, at least there will be hope that things will change. also, you pointed out that wenger has been here longer than gazidis so perhaps the latter should bear the front of the protest, but our problems started long before gazidis came so maybe its wenger and not gazidis thats the problem? i mean you cant for one minute believe that ivan would give the speech he did at the beginning of the summer without honestly thinking we were going to alter our ways this year? he is well aware of the animosity towards him and the last thing he would want to do is add fire to the fuel by intentionally underspending.

so something has changed between the time of his speech and now, and without wanting to sound like a broken record, there's only one man the finger seems to point to (once again)..

Yep, I agree with that. I've been reading Le Grove and he says the same thing. There is no way he'd have personally met with all the bloggers to lie straight in their face. For once, the Le Grove writers are keeping a cool head and backing the club to make some major moves.

Wenger just isn't helping himself. He honestly believes the squad is good enough to win next year otherwise he wouldn't keep repeating it. If Gazidis was throwing him under a bus, surely he'd be smart enough to pick up on that and get ruthless? He knows how to deal with players that start giving him ultimatums and orders so I can't see why he'd play the lame duck role.

[LDG]

Whatever the problem is, it's fairly clear that something at the top is very fucked up. This board and manager are made for each other.

What?

Owners and board who want to make money and don't care about football?

And a manager who cares deeply about football and loves the club, but believes in developing talent, and not spending money above excel spreadsheet formula value? But still makes them money!?!?!

Little bit unlucky combination for us fans :lol:

[Xhaka Can’t]

20 mins for us to wait before Cripps posts up the BBC gossip.....

:popcorn:

He can't post the S*n anymore.

[BlindFaith_8]

All, the fact of the matter is our manager will not buy any players in the summer; The pre-season is almost at an end and the season kicks off in 2 weeks. If business was going to be done, it would of happened prior to the team going to Asia. Why would Wenger even think about securing Suarez when he's not even available to play until October, someone please correct me if I'm wrong. We have signed a free transfer for peanuts and that gentlemen is our lot. The man is a cretin and lives off from his past performances, he knows the board would never sack him for not spending and he is maintaining the targets agreed each season, which is champions league qualification. We can be on here naming 20 players but's not going to happen. I am hoping and praying one of two things happens this coming campaign;

1. We lose in the champions league qualifier.
2. Spurs finish above us and more importantly clinch 4th spot.

Yes there are those who say Man U haven't purchased any player, let's not kid ourselves that United are miles ahead of us, and they have quality players throughout the side, so really why should they strengthen when they'll walk away with the league again. people are reading too much in to this Moyes bollox, he's a very good manager and will deliver success to United with Man City and Chelsea playing the role of bridesmaids again.

[Xhaka Can’t]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9-R9S1m4dA

[GP]

I am hoping and praying one of two things happens this coming campaign;

1. We lose in the champions league qualifier.
2. Spurs finish above us and more importantly clinch 4th spot.



:haha:

[Özil's Panoramic View]

I see the Wenger comisseration squad have laced up their boots again and chucking blame at Ivan for issues that existed long before he ever dreamed of setting foot on our grounds.

Open your eyes; there's one common denominator in this messy state, and we all know it's Arsene Wenger.

[Özil's Panoramic View]

Back from dogging?

Yup.

[LDG]

:haha:

:gp:

[LDG]

Yup.

:lol:

[GP]

:lol:

Looks like a plasterers radio.

[Xhaka Can’t]

I see the Wenger comisseration squad have laced up their boots again and chucking blame at Ivan for issues that existed long before he ever dreamed of setting foot on our grounds.

Open your eyes; there's one common denominator in this messy state, and we all know it's Arsene Wenger.

You're the type of person that is the Board's dream.

Nothing constructive to say - just slag off other fans, generate arguments amongst fans so they can portray us as a bunch of knuckledragging nut jobs fighting amongst ourselves.

[Master Splinter]

Myles Palmer has had it 100% confirmed we'd be signing Cahill, Jagielka, Fellaini and Fabregas in recent seasons.

He's legit, you guys.

[Xhaka Can’t]

Those hoping Spurs finsish above us should be careful what they wish for.

If they ever get the cajones to finish above us, they'll stay there for some time because this Board and management have run things so far into the ground, it will take us years to recover.

[Master Splinter]

You're the type of person that is the Board's dream.

Nothing constructive to say - just slag off other fans, generate arguments amongst fans so they can portray us as a bunch of knuckledragging nut jobs fighting amongst ourselves.

Shut up, Wenger commiserator.

[Master Splinter]

Those hoping Spurs finsish above us should be careful what they wish for.

If they ever get the cajones to finish above us, they'll stay there for some time because this Board and management have run things so far into the ground, it will take us years to recover.

You said finsish. :haha:

But Spurs would also find some way to fuck up harder than us.

Thus restoring the natural order.

Albeit, in the Championship.

[Xhaka Can’t]

You said finsish. :haha:


Even my typing is slurred. :lol:

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

All, the fact of the matter is our manager will not buy any players in the summer; The pre-season is almost at an end and the season kicks off in 2 weeks. If business was going to be done, it would of happened prior to the team going to Asia. Why would Wenger even think about securing Suarez when he's not even available to play until October, someone please correct me if I'm wrong. We have signed a free transfer for peanuts and that gentlemen is our lot. The man is a cretin and lives off from his past performances, he knows the board would never sack him for not spending and he is maintaining the targets agreed each season, which is champions league qualification. We can be on here naming 20 players but's not going to happen. I am hoping and praying one of two things happens this coming campaign;

1. We lose in the champions league qualifier.
2. Spurs finish above us and more importantly clinch 4th spot.

Yes there are those who say Man U haven't purchased any player, let's not kid ourselves that United are miles ahead of us, and they have quality players throughout the side, so really why should they strengthen when they'll walk away with the league again. people are reading too much in to this Moyes bollox, he's a very good manager and will deliver success to United with Man City and Chelsea playing the role of bridesmaids again.

you sir are a turd.

you realise the only small, tiny, minuscule chance we have of getting suarez is because we are in the champions league? take that away and we really have nothing.

i remember all those polls months ago, 'would you rather take 5th and carling cup or 4th and no cup?'. i always used to go for 5th + cup but now realise exactly why it was a silly choice. if we drop out of the champions league we wont be back in it under the current manager, and it leaves the next manager with even more work to do. we'll be the next liverpool for sure (although we are probably on our way already tbf, just at a slower pace). if anything, we need champions league for the next guy because he has one hell of a job to do.

[Niall_Quinn]

Why do people think Wenger never comes on here? It's so strange.

[KSE Comedy Club]

Are these dudes thick of what.

It should be "sack gazidis" first.

Wenger has won two doubles, another league title and another FA Cup.

What the absolute fuck has that bald **** ever done for us.

Wenger needs a kick up the arse, and some direction from the board, yes, but that Mandleson....sorry...Ivan, needs stringing up.

No point sacking Ivan.

It'll be wenger that chooses his successor so well be stuck in the same boat.

[Niall_Quinn]

We demand a different boat!

[Xhaka Can’t]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_wFEB4Oxlo

[Master Splinter]

Wayne Rooney may decide to stay at Manchester United if he receives a positive reaction from fans in next week's friendlies against AIK and Sevilla.
Full story: Daily Mail

Monaco are close to signing Sporting Lisbon's Portugal goalkeeper Rui Patricio, 25, who has been a target for Arsenal.
Full story: Daily Express


We miss out again

Cant even sign pub team keepers now

[LDG]

:haha:

Master Cripster :bow:

[Xhaka Can’t]

Fuck me, Robert Vaughn is still alive.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

:haha:

Master Cripster :bow:

:haha:

[KSE Comedy Club]

Add to it all we have two fucking billionaires who haven't put a penny into the club. Every inch has been ground out through gate receipts, TV revenue, merchandise and the sale of players the fans also paid for with more receipts, TV revenues, merchandise. These fuckers haven't given a thing back. Not one tiny concession.

Actually one billionaire wants to put into the club but is being refused at every turn.

It's only the yank that is fucking things up.

[KSE Comedy Club]

http://www.espn.co.uk/football/sport/story/226815.html?CMP=OTC-RSS

Old news, but everytime I read it I become more angry. Wenger has done a lot for us, but Jesus Christ, is he smoking skunk?
No, it's just further proof of the delusional power trip he's been on for the last 8 years

[Cripps_orig]

F all about us in the gossip column again

[LDG]

F all about us in the gossip column again

Typical. Time for Wenger to go home.

To France. Where he's from.

[Master Splinter]

Fuck me, Robert Vaughn is still alive.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vy8W6jgOl98

[Niall_Quinn]

Fuck me, Robert Vaughn is still alive.

And you were certain you'd got him last time.

[fakeyank]

make sure its before the villa game. afterwards we might all be on suicide watch

I concur.. :gp:

[KSE Comedy Club]

The mirror reckons bale a deal for bale has been agreed - £105m

How the fuck????!!!???

[Ralpheroo72]

Ian Wright

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/23539678

[Özil's Panoramic View]

You're the type of person that is the Board's dream.

Nothing constructive to say - just slag off other fans, generate arguments amongst fans so they can portray us as a bunch of knuckledragging nut jobs fighting amongst ourselves.

Your sentiments couldn't be any further from the truth.

I'm not slagging off anyone, but some posters act as though they are Wenger's bloody thought processes, whilst some simply refuse to acknowledge that the course the Board want to chart is in direct conflict with Wenger's 'principles'.

I suspected that there was going to be trouble the moment Ivan made utterances about the Club's improved financial standings and intent to spend big this transfer window. It just isn't Wenger's way and he seems incapable of adapting to the new football order. Not that I can slate him for standing up for what he believes, but ffs dont hold back the Club because of what you deem to be right or wrong. Step aside if you aren't willing to change.

Wenger has never believed in Marquee signings, especially those that have a considerable price tag attached to them - proof being that he's never made one in the 17 years he's been here. Our transfer record is a what.....a staggering 15 mil, right? Even the shower from up the road piss on us where transfers are concerned.

We've seen his way, which worked wonders over a decade ago, but now the game has changed. You either get with the program or stand the fuck down.

[Power n Glory]

The mirror reckons bale a deal for bale has been agreed - £105m

How the fuck????!!!???

Spurs would be silly to turn down the money. He's not woth that amount and bound to be one of the biggest flops in footballing history.

I can't believe how often we've sold our stars for peanuts. All that money to Spurs is bad news for us.

[Özim]

Yeah that's a lot of money to spend, as good as he is he's one player, the money from this will allow them to buy 4 top quality players on top of what they have......we'll be in deep sh*t tbh if they do, because our squad is down to the bare bones and our manager has deluded himself into thinking it's championship challenging.

[Özim]

Ian Wright

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/23539678

Got to agree with this, other than CL football we have nothing, we have no top players, we don't spend, we haven't won anything for years and won't be for some time at this rate, it just makes more sense to go to a club who can challenge for silverware otherwise he may as well stay at Liverpool (they've at least spent money this summer).

[KSE Comedy Club]

Ian Wright

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/23539678
I sort of agree but he contradicts himself in that article.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Wright is a dick.

[Özim]

I don't think he is personally, wears his heart on his sleeve, loves Arsenal and just wants to see them at the top again.

He's questioned the direction of the club for many a year and let's face it he's been right. His opinion in this article is kinda correct, we have CL football yes but a player like Suarez must be wanting to win trophies rather than get 4th every season.

[Xhaka Can’t]

He is not the sharpest knife in the cutlery tray.

But there are points in that article which are plain to see. I cannot see what Suarez would get out of us other than a few Group games (if we even qualify for that) against a bunch of nothing teams and a last 16 exit.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Well isn't the point without better quality players, we probably won't get higher than third/fourth or past the last 16? The funny thing is, talking like Wright does is just saying 'we have our place and that's where we'll occupy for the forseeable' when that's exactly what the club has been criticised for doing.

I couldn't care what Suarez's motivation for joining would be, just get it done.

[GP]

I think they need a goalkeeper, two centre-halves, two full-backs - for both left-back and right-back positions - another midfielder and two strikers.

He's an idiot.

[BlindFaith_8]

you sir are a turd.

you realise the only small, tiny, minuscule chance we have of getting suarez is because we are in the champions league? take that away and we really have nothing.

i remember all those polls months ago, 'would you rather take 5th and carling cup or 4th and no cup?'. i always used to go for 5th + cup but now realise exactly why it was a silly choice. if we drop out of the champions league we wont be back in it under the current manager, and it leaves the next manager with even more work to do. we'll be the next liverpool for sure (although we are probably on our way already tbf, just at a slower pace). if anything, we need champions league for the next guy because he has one hell of a job to do.
Listen shit for brains, I couldn't give a toss if we fail to qualify in the champions league, we will never make any big signings under the current regime champions league spot or not and you know it. You are like all the other Wengerites and Blind Faith fans who have this belief there is a slight chance of top players coming to our club. You name me the last time under wenger we signed a top class player out of the clutches of cit, manu, chelsea and the big European clubs???? The best thing that can happen to this club right now is failure and a complete change of the management team, when a manager has cart blanche like this french ****, then he can do no wrong and runs the club top to bottom.

[Ollie the Optimist]

He's an idiot.

I love how he says we need a striker then advises the striker we want not to come.

[GP]

I love how he says we need a striker then advises the striker we want not to come.

That's the stupidest thing. He supposedly wants Arsenal to do well, then advises players not to come? He has shit for brains.

[Ollie the Optimist]

Yeah that's a lot of money to spend, as good as he is he's one player, the money from this will allow them to buy 4 top quality players on top of what they have......we'll be in deep sh*t tbh if they do, because our squad is down to the bare bones and our manager has deluded himself into thinking it's championship challenging.

Which top quality players will these be? They'll good players not great players. Hey don't have the money to offer stupid wages nor do they have champions league football.

[Letters]

Why do people think Wenger never comes on here? It's so strange.
I told him there was a subscription fee.

[Xhaka Can’t]

Because it isn't in Suarez's best interests to come here.

I don't think it is in our best interests either.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

Listen shit for brains, I couldn't give a toss if we fail to qualify in the champions league, we will never make any big signings under the current regime champions league spot or not and you know it. You are like all the other Wengerites and Blind Faith fans who have this belief there is a slight chance of top players coming to our club. You name me the last time under wenger we signed a top class player out of the clutches of cit, manu, chelsea and the big European clubs???? The best thing that can happen to this club right now is failure and a complete change of the management team, when a manager has cart blanche like this french ****, then he can do no wrong and runs the club top to bottom.

top scorer in ligue 1 before he joined us

17 goals in 1st season here

oh and

http://msn.foxsports.com/foxsoccer/premierleague/story/olivier-giroud-turned-down-chelsea-for-arsenal-move-062712

:tiphat:

[Marc Overmars]

Wright is supposed to be an Arsenal fan and as a fan he shouldn't be concerned about what Suarez's best career choice would be. We'd be getting a top player which is the only thing that matters.

Questioning the decision is for Liverpool fans and others.

[Power n Glory]

I think Wright has been misrepresented in this piece. I was going to slate him but when you read it in full it just seems like he’s weighing up the deal like we’ve all done on here. He’d love for him to come to the club but unless Suarez Is desperate to leave Liverpool, why move to Arsenal? He mentions Gerrard in that piece and what he said about the Suarez situation and I’m guessing the journalist asked Wright for his opinion on what Gerrard said.

[GP]

Because it isn't in Suarez's best interests to come here.

Who gives a shit?

[Xhaka Can’t]

I do, because on the off chance we spend £50m+ on him, he'll soon realise that himself and we'll have an unsettled player on our hands who'll be fucking off to Real Madrid in a year or so for around £30m.

[Ollie the Optimist]

I do, because on the off chance we spend £50m+ on him, he'll soon realise that himself and we'll have an unsettled player on our hands who'll be fucking off to Real Madrid in a year or so for around £30m.

Most players these days are going to fuck off in a year or too. Might as well just get them, try win stuff while they are here and then accept they will leave.

[GP]

Yeah, you're right, best not try to sign good players then I guess.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

I do, because on the off chance we spend £50m+ on him, he'll soon realise that himself and we'll have an unsettled player on our hands who'll be fucking off to Real Madrid in a year or so for around £30m.

That spectre (of Real Madrid) will be the case for most players, whether they're winning leagues at their current club or otherwise.

[Xhaka Can’t]

Most players these days are going to fuck off in a year or too. Might as well just get them, try win stuff while they are here and then accept they will leave.

Staying in the realms of fantasy for a minute - watching the transfers that are happening all around us, if we had a scouting network and a workable strategy, we could have already spent that £50m+ and had good quality players - and there would have been a buzz about the place right now. That is what we needed - rather than blowing £50m+ buying a player who isn't even as good as the player we sold for £24m a year ago.

Suaerez isn't right for us and we arent right for him.

[Power n Glory]

Most players these days are going to fuck off in a year or too. Might as well just get them, try win stuff while they are here and then accept they will leave.

That’s just not smart. We could end up like Liverpool if we’re careless with our transfers. We don’t want to leave the next manager without a pot to piss in.

[Xhaka Can’t]

That spectre (of Real Madrid) will be the case for most players, whether they're winning leagues at their current club or otherwise.

My point is, never mind - jusr read my last reply to Ollie.

[Power n Glory]

That spectre (of Real Madrid) will be the case for most players, whether they're winning leagues at their current club or otherwise.

Unless you’ve already played for such clubs. Higuain would have been ideal. Not sure why we didn’t go for David Villa either.

[Cripps_orig]

Having read Wrightys article, I disagree about the Suarez bit. He's spot on about needing more players though.

[Ollie the Optimist]

That’s just not smart. We could end up like Liverpool if we’re careless with our transfers. We don’t want to leave the next manager without a pot to piss in.

Loyalty is dead now in football. Players want a new club every two seconds be it for stupid wages or clubs like Madrid. Contracts are just pointless, might as well use these players while we can and then flog them to highest bidder for stupid money when they want out

[Özim]

Staying in the realms of fantasy for a minute - watching the transfers that are happening all around us, if we had a scouting network and a workable strategy, we could have already spent that £50m+ and had good quality players - and there would have been a buzz about the place right now. That is what we needed - rather than blowing £50m+ buying a player who isn't even as good as the player we sold for £24m a year ago.

Suaerez isn't right for us and we arent right for him.
Pretty much agree with this, blowing £50 million (plus huge wages) on one player when we need several quality players is stupid. Whilst I want quality players at the club I don't believe you have to spend 40-50 million to get them.

He's a good player but he's not that good that we should spend that kind of money on him anyhow, that's the kind of money you'd spend (if at all) on very special talents who have huge marketing potential for the club as well.

[Özim]

Which top quality players will these be? They'll good players not great players. Hey don't have the money to offer stupid wages nor do they have champions league football.
Contrary to popular belief you don't have to spend 50 million on a player to get quality and if you have a decent scouting network there are plenty of players you could bring in (despite what Mr Wenger seems to think).

All they have to do is convince players they are ambitious (and by spending they will) and that their aim is the CL/winning trophies.

[Özil's Panoramic View]

not sure if this link is a constructive contribution to the forum, but posting it none-the-less.....

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/arsenal-arsene-wenger-hints-not-2114841



Wenger said: “We are still working on improving our squad, but we have a basis of young players who are getting a chance here, who started in the Premier League.

that bit kinda sounds like we're embarking on 'project youth' all over, eh?

[Özim]

I think Wright has been misrepresented in this piece. I was going to slate him but when you read it in full it just seems like he’s weighing up the deal like we’ve all done on here. He’d love for him to come to the club but unless Suarez Is desperate to leave Liverpool, why move to Arsenal? He mentions Gerrard in that piece and what he said about the Suarez situation and I’m guessing the journalist asked Wright for his opinion on what Gerrard said.

Pretty much, not a lot wrong with what he said on that subject, it's just common sense really.

[Ollie the Optimist]

Contrary to popular belief you don't have to spend 50 million on a player to get quality and if you have a decent scouting network there are plenty of players you could bring in (despite what Mr Wenger seems to think).

All they have to do is convince players they are ambitious (and by spending they will) and that their aim is the CL/winning trophies.

Last month you were arguing that 40 million was an acceptable rate for world class players but that's changed now.


They are not many strikers , world class ones, like we need who will go for anything less then 30 million. The players we need will be expensive. Soldado has gone for 26 million, and he has gone to spurs. You have to ask why none of the top four clubs looked at him and then realise the level of stickers we need and how much they will cost

[Özim]

not sure if this link is a constructive contribution to the forum, but posting it none-the-less.....

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/arsenal-arsene-wenger-hints-not-2114841




that bit kinda sounds like we're embarking on 'project youth' all over, eh?
He harped on about a number of kids in the squad in some interview posted yesterday as well, it's pretty much the youth project all over again, he should stick to managing the boy scouts rather than the 1st team because that's all he seems to be interested in. Noone pointed out that his youth policy has heeded no rewards and the team he claimed were fantastic has slowly (and I say slowly because we've not been able to get rid of them easily) been dismantled, now he wants to do it all over again!

[Özim]

Last month you were arguing that 40 million was an acceptable rate for world class players but that's changed now.


They are not many strikers , world class ones, like we need who will go for anything less then 30 million. The players we need will be expensive. Soldado has gone for 26 million, and he has gone to spurs. You have to ask why none of the top four clubs looked at him and then realise the level of stickers we need and how much they will cost
When have I said we should buy a player at 40 million, find one post?

I don't want us to spend that much on one player, I want us to spend 20-25 million max on a player so we can bring in a few, at that price you still get top quality.

The only time it should ever be considered to spend 40 million is if a player is younger and clearly going to bring in loads of money in marketing, like Neymar for example.

[Ollie the Optimist]

When have I said we should buy a player at 40 million, find one post?

I don't want us to spend that much on one player, I want us to spend 20-25 million max on a player so we can bring in a few, at that price you still get top quality.

What's the point of spending 20/25 million max on a player? It won't bring in the quality we need. Which strikers are going at that rate this summer that are top quality? None. All more then that price so you want us to spend 25 million max on a player who won't massively improve us.

Amd you have said, you said when saying you have to pay going rates for world class players.

[BlindFaith_8]

Wright is supposed to be an Arsenal fan and as a fan he shouldn't be concerned about what Suarez's best career choice would be. We'd be getting a top player which is the only thing that matters.

Questioning the decision is for Liverpool fans and others.
Wrighty is a self confessed Liverpool fan and will want Suarez to stay at pool.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Unless you’ve already played for such clubs. Higuain would have been ideal. Not sure why we didn’t go for David Villa either.

Well yeah I suppose that is true, although, I don't quite think of Higuain in the same way. Good though he is and could have played the role we presumably have in mind for Suarez fairly well, I don't think he's as good. Either way though, if we don't offer the right money, you can't get the player.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Staying in the realms of fantasy for a minute - watching the transfers that are happening all around us, if we had a scouting network and a workable strategy, we could have already spent that £50m+ and had good quality players - and there would have been a buzz about the place right now. That is what we needed - rather than blowing £50m+ buying a player who isn't even as good as the player we sold for £24m a year ago.

Suaerez isn't right for us and we arent right for him.

It's relative though, £50 million now would be like the idea of us spending £25 million before the previous TV deal and all the other ways we're bringing money in . It could be very well the case that Suarez does not work out for us, like for any player but the message it sends out I think is an important one, if we ever truly want to break away from this (previously) comfortable space of doing the bare minimum (fourth).

[Özil's Panoramic View]

What's the point of spending 20/25 million max on a player? It won't bring in the quality we need. Which strikers are going at that rate this summer that are top quality? None. All more then that price so you want us to spend 25 million max on a player who won't massively improve us.

Amd you have said, you said when saying you have to pay going rates for world class players.

have to agree with Ollie here. we wont be getting any top striker for 20/25 mil.

we need quality, and if the Club were really serious about making top signings that would have massively improve us, then they must have had a transfer budget of around the 100 mil pounds.

[KSE Comedy Club]

What's the point of spending 20/25 million max on a player? It won't bring in the quality we need. Which strikers are going at that rate this summer that are top quality? None. All more then that price so you want us to spend 25 million max on a player who won't massively improve us.

Amd you have said, you said when saying you have to pay going rates for world class players.
Jovetic £22m to citeh :coffee:

[Özim]

Jovetic £22m to citeh :coffee:
Enough said.

[Power n Glory]

have to agree with Ollie here. we wont be getting any top striker for 20/25 mil.

we need quality, and if the Club were really serious about making top signings that would have massively improve us, then they must have had a transfer budget of around the 100 mil pounds.

You can’t say £25m isn’t enough to find true quality. You’re not a scout and if you only follow the Premier League, then your scope is limited even further. We should have scouts out there that know these things. Every year a team pops up with some bargain of the summer signing that’s off the radar. Our scouts used to unearth these sort of players all the time.

[Marc Overmars]

What's the point of spending 20/25 million max on a player? It won't bring in the quality we need. Which strikers are going at that rate this summer that are top quality? None. All more then that price so you want us to spend 25 million max on a player who won't massively improve us.

Amd you have said, you said when saying you have to pay going rates for world class players.

Ollie you've said yourself the price doesn't always equate to quality (or lack of).

[Cripps_orig]

Negredo and Soldado went for mid 20s didn't they?

[Ollie the Optimist]

Ollie you've said yourself the price doesn't always equate to quality (or lack of).

Yes I have but you are still not going to sign a top striker this summer for less then 25 million.

[Özil's Panoramic View]

Jovetic £22m to citeh :coffee:

just how good is Jovetic right now though? I'd say he has some way to go before he can be considered a top player.

[Özil's Panoramic View]

You can’t say £25m isn’t enough to find true quality. You’re not a scout and if you only follow the Premier League, then your scope is limited even further. We should have scouts out there that know these things. Every year a team pops up with some bargain of the summer signing that’s off the radar. Our scouts used to unearth these sort of players all the time.

agreed to an extent, but we're talking about players of the ilk of a Suarez here......not gonna get that calibre for 20/25 mil.

[Marc Overmars]

Yes I have but you are still not going to sign a top striker this summer for less then 25 million.

Says who?

Soldado has outscored Higuan for the past 3 years in a lesser side and Spurs got him for a good price. Albeit his release clause was paid but there are players out there if you look hard enough. Yes if you want a marquee name then you have to pay big bucks, but as great as a marquee name would be, fundamentally we just need an efficient and competent striker. I don't care how much we pay as long as we get someone of sufficient quality.

[LDG]

Yes I have but you are still not going to sign a top striker this summer for less then 25 million.

We got Sanogo for free.

I reckon that disproves your point entirely.

[Xhaka Can’t]

Last month you were arguing that 40 million was an acceptable rate for world class players but that's changed now.


They are not many strikers , world class ones, like we need who will go for anything less then 30 million. The players we need will be expensive. Soldado has gone for 26 million, and he has gone to spurs. You have to ask why none of the top four clubs looked at him and then realise the level of stickers we need and how much they will cost

A few years ago when we had a relatively strong squad, spending that sort of money on a player would have more practicality than it does in our current situation. We have neglected the team for so long, we need a few quality players.

Buying a world class striker and putting him in a mediocre side is pointless. For example, Sol Campbell was a world class defender and he flourished in our side. He was also a world class defender playing for Tottenham, but he was continually left exposed by his poor quality teammates.

We need to rebuild. Spending £50m+ on one player - with an unvelieveably patchy discipilnary record is no way to go about it - not that we intend to anyway.

For just over £50m we could possibly have had Higuain and Fellaini - with £20m left in our 'warchest'. Had we a coherent strategy that involved spending those amounts, we'd be in pretty good shape today.

[Xhaka Can’t]

You can’t say £25m isn’t enough to find true quality. You’re not a scout and if you only follow the Premier League, then your scope is limited even further. We should have scouts out there that know these things. Every year a team pops up with some bargain of the summer signing that’s off the radar. Our scouts used to unearth these sort of players all the time.

Spot on.

Added to that, the scouts need to be equipped with a clear strategy. Our transfer record over the last decade indicates there is none - as far as acquisitions are concerned.

[Özim]

I agree with the concept that if you have a strong squad you can look to add one top top player to make it a bit stronger, however if like us your squad isn't that good you need to spend the money on bringing the level up across the team, before considering massive one off signings.

We had RVP the season before and as good as he was we still weren't great, the team isn't that different from then.

[Xhaka Can’t]

Ollie you've said yourself the price doesn't always equate to quality (or lack of).

He also didn't want Suarez.

[Xhaka Can’t]

I agree with the concept that if you have a strong squad you can look to add one top top player to make it a bit stronger, however if like us your squad isn't that good you need to spend the money on bringing the level up across the team, before considering massive one off signings.

Exactly.

[Power n Glory]

agreed to an extent, but we're talking about players of the ilk of a Suarez here......not gonna get that calibre for 20/25 mil.

Again, it's really hard for us to be ceratin of that. Suarez cost Liverpool £22m. Wenger could easily find someone with raw talent that's ready now but also has the potential to be one of the world's best. You only pay £50m if your involved in a bidding war or the clubs that reluctant to sell.

[LDG]

I agree with the concept that if you have a strong squad you can look to add one top top player to make it a bit stronger, however if like us your squad isn't that good you need to spend the money on bringing the level up across the team, before considering massive one off signings.

We had RVP the season before and as good as he was we still weren't great, the team isn't that different from then.

Agreed.

We may differ on views as to where to spend that money, but I'd prefer to add a few more "Cazorlas" to the team (very good players at a decent price).

If we had bought two or three in early doors, then yes, Suarez would be the cherry on top of a very good transfer window...er...cake.

But as we've done jack shit. Pissed everyone off. And pulled our pants down in public, I would say that putting all of our eggs in one 50m pound basket, is fucking idiotic. Especially give the racist bastard's tendancies to be a dick.

[Power n Glory]

Spot on.

Added to that, the scouts need to be equipped with a clear strategy. Our transfer record over the last decade indicates there is none - as far as acquisitions are concerned.

It’s not even over the last decade, just look as far back as last year. It’s crazy to think we’re in this situation where we had a world class striker on our hands and all he wanted was for us to show some ambition in the transfer window. Now we’re looking to spend £40m plus wages on Suarez! All of this could have been avoided and it’s so short sighted.

[Niall_Quinn]

Suarez wants CL footie so he can put himself in the shop window for Madrid. Look at what has happened with Bale on the strength of one freak game in Europe. We'd be paying £50mill to be used as a stepping stone, so the deal makes no sense at all for us. That's why I immediately knew it was a phantom transfer done more for PR purposes than anything else.

In pure football terms Suarez is perfect for us, we've needed a bit of craft up front ever since Iscariot left and Suarez has bags of that added to his goalscoring abilities. I can't think of a better option. But we're his second choice, he brings all that baggage, we won't be able to build a team around him because he'll piss off in record time and signing him might simply turn us from a selling club into a taxi to Spain in the eyes of all the greedy mercenary players out there today. But the biggest negative (apart from the fact this deal isn't even happening) is we blow everything on one player and go into the season with a weak squad in all the other positions.

We're weak in goal. Still very flimsy at the back, seriously Gibbs will be injured half the season and an injury to either Kos or Merts (neither as great as people are making out but stable at least) and we're done. Sagna will get murdered in the middle by the more powerful strikers btw, he's not an option. Arteta is still being layed out of position, Jack may or may not spend most of the season on the treatment table, Gervinho is off and Walcott is horribly inconsistent, Podolski is hot and cold. We have Cazorla to rely on and that's about it guys. For various reasons we are weak or potentially weak everywhere else. If this is not addressed then there's no getting out of it, the blame falls on the manager fair and square.

But anyway, the whole Suarez thing was a ruse. Either a ruse to avoid spending money at all or to keep the fans and other clubs distracted while we chase our real targets (I hope FFS - surely?) We should have bought Higuain, he wanted to come here by all accounts so we may not have had to pay the £31mill. We blew that and it seems we blew it deliberately. We could have got Higuain and plugged some other holes.

[KSE Comedy Club]

Well based on what NQ says, from a financial point of view the Suarez deal makes perfect sense.

Buy for £50m then sell to Real for £100m next summer!

£50m profit for a years investment, very tidy. The board and kronke will be pleased.

[Özim]

Well based on what NQ says, from a financial point of view the Suarez deal makes perfect sense.

Buy for £50m then sell to Real for £100m next summer!

£50m profit for a years investment, very tidy. The board and kronke will be pleased.
More likely buy for £50 million and sell for 25 million in 2 years time when there's 2 years left on his contract and he's decided it's time to go (and noone else is interested).

That's another thing, if Suarez comes he won't move on next summer, there's no chance of that this means he has to be willing to put his career on hold for at least 2 years, can't see it myself, he doesn't need a stepping stone club everyone knows who he is.

[Niall_Quinn]

More likely buy for £50 million and sell for 25 million in 2 years time when there's 2 years left on his contract and he's decided it's time to go (and noone else is interested).

That's another thing, if Suarez comes he won't move on next summer, there's no chance of that this means he has to be willing to put his career on hold for at least 2 years, can't see it myself, he doesn't need a stepping stone club everyone knows who he is.

Of course he could go after a year, players can do what they want these days if the are prepared to kick up enough fuss. I don't see Suarez as having a problem with creating a fuss, that seems to be his default.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Arsenal manager Arsène Wenger says the Gunners are working hard to sign Luis Suarez from Liverpool and is hoping an "amicable" deal can be done between the two clubs.

The striker, who finished the season as the league’s second highest scorer last season, has been subject of a bid from the North London club worth £42 million as exclusively revealed by Goal last month.

“I don’t want to speak about Suárez because that’s between Liverpool and Arsenal,” Wenger told reporters ahead of their Emirates Cup action.

“We will completely respect what Liverpool want to do [and] we want to do that in an amicable way if it’s feasible."

“I’m a great believer that you have to keep as much confidentiality as possible and that is quite difficult in the modern world.

“We work very hard not only on the case you named [Suárez] but other different cases.”

http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2892/transfer-zone/2013/08/02/4160505/wenger-hoping-for-amicable-suarez-deal-with-liverpool

Must have been a bonus question on the Hangout.

In any case, WUMger. :bow:

Transfer muppetry is on!

[Niall_Quinn]

Congrats to Arsenal for being so confidential that not even the faintest hint of a activity has been detected.

[selassie]

If the latest reports are anything to go by I am getting the impression Arsene is geniunely happy with the squad. :angry:

[LDG]

If the latest reports are anything to go by I am getting the impression Arsene is geniunely happy with the squad. :angry:

There are a couple of positives, I'm taking from things so far....

i) I think AOC is going to have a big role this year, and I see him changing our fortunes to a degree
ii)

Actually. One positive.

Based purely on hope.

:ilt:

[Cripps_orig]

We're fucked

[Lord Nelson]

There are a couple of positives, I'm taking from things so far....

i) I think AOC is going to have a big role this year, and I see him changing our fortunes to a degree
ii)

Actually. One positive.

Based purely on hope.

:ilt:

My 0.001% of blind faith tells me that we are going to sign Cesc, Fellani and Bernard before the season starts! The others were just smokescreens from the start! :)

[Cripps_orig]

My 0.001% of blind faith tells me that we are going to sign Cesc, Fellani and Bernard before the season starts! The others were just smokescreens from the start! :)

I'd take Fellaini and Bernard for sure.

Get Eriksen as well

[LDG]

I would spunk everywhere should this be the case.

[LDG]

Eriksen is a good shout ack-tu-ally.

[GP]

http://www.troll.me/images/bert/prepare-your-anus.jpg

[Ollie the Optimist]

"We have signed Sanogo,he has not made the headlines.Why? Because he's not £50m-£100m but I'm quite confident we will make them soon" Wenger

interesting.

[Özim]

:lol: He's preparing us for noone coming in.

As for making the headlines, what's the maximum number of breaks a PL footballer has had in one leg at one time? It's possible he could beat that looking at his injury record I reckon.

[Ollie the Optimist]

id advise you all to watch his press confernce on arsneal player. what hte media have said today is not what wenger says at all in his conference.

[GP]

id advise you all to watch his press confernce on arsneal player. what hte media have said today is not what wenger says at all in his conference.

http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/boss-on-making-signings-before-deadline

He said 'very young core of players, room for improvement' and 'we will strengthen from outside'

Sounds reasonable.

[Ollie the Optimist]

http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/boss-on-making-signings-before-deadline

He said 'very young core of players, room for improvement' and 'we will strengthen from outside'

Sounds reasonable.

it was very reasonable i thought. this quote going round about find better players and talk to me, was spoken about spurs. no one else, yet the way john cross report it, they jsut want to start riots. cunts the lot of them

[PGFC]

Who cares what AW actually said? we all know what AW really means - Zimm

[LDG]

id advise you all to watch his press confernce on arsneal player. what hte media have said today is not what wenger says at all in his conference.

"Apart from Man City, no-one has done anything"

Eh?

[Ollie the Optimist]

"Apart from Man City, no-one has done anything"

Eh?

he was talking about the top four there i think. so what he has said is true

[LDG]

he was talking about the top four there i think. so what he has said is true

Hmmm.

Meh.

What he says seems reasonable.

But, and I think this is most people's worry, actions speak louder than words, and it's frustrating to think we could have had better business done before now. 2 Weeks before the new season.

[Özim]

Just watched it, it's the usual b*llocks, young team, can only improve, finished the season strongly, carry it into the new season. Market hasn't moved a lot, two ways to strengthen the team, internally or externally.

Still a month to go till the end of the transfer window, Suarez between Arsenal and Liverpool and would like to keep things amicable and do what it takes to keep Liverpool happy....etc etc


Well based on that:

1) Keeping Liverpool happy should be easy, just don't bother with Suarez (that's what will happen so everyone will be happy anyhow).
2) Young team, getting better etc that's the usual nonsense as it the sh*t about Sanogogo not making headlines, clearly he hasn't because he's hardly ever played any football, has been injured most of his career, is young and unknown not because he didn't cost 50 - 100 million
3) The bit about the market is b*llocks as well, plenty of clubs have signed players, he claims it's only really Man City, as for the bit about a month left until the window closes....once again he's failed to grasp the fact the season starts well before that and that signing players at the end means they'll not have been integrated with the squad at all.

Just absolute nonsense from this guy, it really is.

[Ollie the Optimist]

Hmmm.

Meh.

What he says seems reasonable.

But, and I think this is most people's worry, actions speak louder than words, and it's frustrating to think we could have had better business done before now. 2 Weeks before the new season.

oh im not denying that actions speak louder then words, but when you read what people like john cross tweet/wrtie about the conference, and then listen to what wenger actually says its like there have been two different events. they take quotes with no context to rile up arsenal fans. its pathetic

[Özim]

Hmmm.

Meh.

What he says seems reasonable.

But, and I think this is most people's worry, actions speak louder than words, and it's frustrating to think we could have had better business done before now. 2 Weeks before the new season.

I don't really think it's reasonable at all to be fair, I mean why are we thinking there's still a month to go when the season starts in what 2 weeks, moreover shouldn't we have signed players so they can get to know their teammates and train with them and get use to the country (if from abroad).

In addition the Sanogogo thing is rubbish as per my post above.

As for the bit about young players, can only get better and finishing the season strongly, we've been there before haven't we?

[Özim]

oh im not denying that actions speak louder then words, but when you read what people like john cross tweet/wrtie about the conference, and then listen to what wenger actually says its like there have been two different events. they take quotes with no context to rile up arsenal fans. its pathetic
Yes actually you're right, Wenger's interview actually sounds worse, so they were actually helping him out.

Having listened to it all frankly I'm astonished at what the guy has said.

[Marc Overmars]

Couldn't give a shit what he has to say. I'll judge him by what I see and all I see is Yaya Sanogo.

[Ollie the Optimist]

one here for NQ.


apparently chamakh is going to join palace on loan, and gervinho has gone to roma.

[Özim]

Will the panic buying button be repaired in time for the end of the month?

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Wenget thinks the window closes on August 31st. Nobody tell him any different!

[LDG]

Wenget thinks the window closes on August 31st. Nobody tell him any different!

:lol:

Panic buying while everyone else is still asleep.

"We try, but nobody else was up"

[McNamara That Ghost...]

I am not racist against late night activity.

[fakeyank]

What the club or in my eyes Wenger seems to be missing is the positivity factor surrounding the club.. where is the buzz? Where is the excitement among the fans or players? Consider a scenario where we signed Fellani first week of July and had Higuain by now (Total of a little over 50 million quid).. Every gooner would be buzzing about the new season, counting down the hours till KO.
And here we are, going into a new season with nothing to show other than Sanogo! There is no buzz.. I am going for the first game of the season coming from overseas and the only excitement I have currently is to meet up with the GW crew again and have shots! Thats how pathetic our pre-season so far has been. FUCK! :ilt:

[Gooner23]

What the club or in my eyes Wenger seems to be missing is the positivity factor surrounding the club.. where is the buzz? Where is the excitement among the fans or players? Consider a scenario where we signed Fellani first week of July and had Higuain by now (Total of a little over 50 million quid).. Every gooner would be buzzing about the new season, counting down the hours till KO.
And here we are, going into a new season with nothing to show other than Sanogo! There is no buzz.. I am going for the first game of the season coming from overseas and the only excitement I have currently is to meet up with the GW crew again and have shots! Thats how pathetic our pre-season so far has been. FUCK! :ilt:

Yep, I haven't followed any of the games so far.. Nothing interesting about the asia tour, but I guess I'm not the target audience for that. But I have no real interest right now in the new season starting, first time as an arsenal fan I can say that. Not just the clubs lack of action tbh, there's a also a geneal disalusionment with footy in general. I mean bale for over 100 mil, what the fuck is going on.

[Gooner23]

I can't even be bothered to check for spelling and grammar in my posts, I blame Wenger.

[Niall_Quinn]

one here for NQ.


apparently chamakh is going to join palace on loan, and gervinho has gone to roma.

Hmmm, doesn't mean we've rid ourselves of him but it's a huge advantage going into the season, provided we don't do something stupid like recall him. Gervinho's waste of time here was at least limited. Chamakh and Bendtner are enduring stenches.

[Niall_Quinn]

but when you read what people like john cross tweet/wrtie about

You deserve what you get if you make mistakes like this.

[milla]

What the club or in my eyes Wenger seems to be missing is the positivity factor surrounding the club.. where is the buzz? Where is the excitement among the fans or players? Consider a scenario where we signed Fellani first week of July and had Higuain by now (Total of a little over 50 million quid).. Every gooner would be buzzing about the new season, counting down the hours till KO.
And here we are, going into a new season with nothing to show other than Sanogo! There is no buzz.. I am going for the first game of the season coming from overseas and the only excitement I have currently is to meet up with the GW crew again and have shots! Thats how pathetic our pre-season so far has been. FUCK! :ilt:

Fakeyank :pal:

[Shaqiri Is Boss]

BBC saying Suarez is considering a transfer request and possible court action.

[Cripps_orig]

Hope so.

[Niall_Quinn]

Do we really want such a wanker here? Higuain would have been the better option in so many ways. What a bunch of bastards for not signing him.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

This is getting some traction now. I might even be tempted to watch a Youtube compilation of him. :sick:

[LDG]

Looks like Wengers comments have had the desired effect today and set the papers off again.

That should buy them a week.

:N_Q:

[Niall_Quinn]

Looks like Wengers comments have had the desired effect today and set the papers off again.

That should buy them a week.

:N_Q:

Breaking: Arsenal up the pressure with new £40,000,002 record bid!

[Özim]

BBC saying Suarez is considering a transfer request and possible court action.
It's not for a move to us, we want to keep Liverpool happy and keep things amicable :coffee:

[Özim]

He's saying Liverpool have gone back on their word due to a verbal agreement, does he have any proof, no.

[Özil's Panoramic View]

It's not for a move to us, we want to keep Liverpool happy and keep things amicable :coffee:

take it then that all will remain amicable if we buy him....

not like we're West Brom or Fulham or some other mid-table rivals of Pool.

[Master Splinter]

Higuain would have been the better option in so many ways.

Apart from the fact that Suarez is the better all-round player and offers more options and is proven in this League, I agree. Who gives a shit about transfer budgets, decency, future problems? Buy the slimy bastard and get some good service out of him and it's all good. You want entertainment? You'll get that and some added extras with Suarez. And there's another reason he's a better option than Hig Wayne!

Is the 'Welcome To Arsenal You Absolute Cunt' video up on Youtube yet? Can't wait for that.

[Niall_Quinn]

Apart from the fact that Suarez is the better all-round player and offers more options and is proven in this League, I agree. Who gives a shit about transfer budgets, decency, future problems? Buy the slimy bastard and get some good service out of him and it's all good. You want entertainment? You'll get that and some added extras with Suarez. And there's another reason he's a better option than Hig Wayne!

Is the 'Welcome To Arsenal You Absolute Cunt' video up on Youtube yet? Can't wait for that.

Higuain could have been lining up for us tomorrow. Even if we sign Suarez he won't set foot on a pitch until October. Plus all the other stuff including the fact we aren't signing him. Doesn't matter if Suarez is better the Messi if we aren't signing him. And we aren't.

[Özim]

Higuain could have been lining up for us tomorrow. Even if we sign Suarez he won't set foot on a pitch until October. Plus all the other stuff including the fact we aren't signing him. Doesn't matter if Suarez is better the Messi if we aren't signing him. And we aren't.
Spot on to be honest, plus due to his performance last season he's suddenly become the best thing since sliced bread, he's not that good to be honest....he's had one good season hardly conclusive proof he's a world beater.

Sometimes being the focal point of an attack for one of the teams who aren't at the very top works in your favour as everyone looks to you and thus you get most of the chances to get goals.

Higuain made a lot more sense, cheaper, a goalscorer, younger comes with no baggage and not a troublemaker. When I say he made more sense, he made more sense to us but Suarez clearly makes more sense to Wenger and co as they know we have no chance of getting it and thus won't be spending a penny on him!

[Xhaka Can’t]

Wenger and co as they know we have no chance of getting it and thus won't be spending a penny on him!

Some people pay big money for that.

[Özil's Panoramic View]

Come on Zimm, there are only a handful of strikers currently around that we can say are better than Suarez. No problem with you not wanting him here, but you can't use the 'he's not that good' as one of your reasons. That's a rather silly assertion.

[Özim]

Come on Zimm, there are only a handful of strikers currently around that we can say are better than Suarez. No problem with you not wanting him here, but you can't use the 'he's not that good' as one of your reasons. That's a rather silly assertion.
When I say he's not that good I mean he's not as good as people claim, like I said so far he's had one good season.

He's talented no doubt but I don't rate him as one of the best in the world personally, I think he's been overhyped on the back of one good season (much like Adebayor was once upon a time, though obviously he's a lot better than him) and still has a lot to prove.

Higuain scored 107 goals in 190 games for one of the biggest teams where the pressure is immense, I don't see why Suarez should be rated above him on that basis when he's got just 51 goals in 96 games in a much lower pressure environment, it's just good old English hype again.

[StamfordBrdige]

he was talking about the top four there i think. so what he has said is true


No, what he has said is really quite far from the truth.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/22434908

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/23148099

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/23250248


Chelsea have signed 3 players this transfer window. AW is categorically wrong.

[Ollie the Optimist]

No what he has said is really quite far from the truth.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/22434908

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/23148099

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/23250248


Chelsea have signed 3 players this transfer window. AW is categorically wrong.

i have to admit, id completely forgotten about you signing those three.

[Ollie the Optimist]

mark lawrenson says that he believes suarerz is convinced that he will be an arsenal player this summer

[GP]

No, what he has said is really quite far from the truth.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/22434908

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/23148099

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/23250248


Chelsea have signed 3 players this transfer window. AW is categorically wrong.

He was only talking about good players.

[StamfordBrdige]

i have to admit, id completely forgotten about you signing those three.


Kind of the point really. Schurrle was signed in late june, the other 2 were signed in early July. I'm quite pleased with our transfer business so far. Get our stuff sorted early and focus on pre-season. Not sure about all this Rooney stuff tbh. Kinda hope we don't sign him.