Summer Transfer Speculation and Shit

[Ollie the Optimist]

Kind of the point really. Schurrle was signed in late june, the other 2 were signed in early July. I'm quite pleased with our transfer business so far. Get our stuff sorted early and focus on pre-season. Not sure about all this Rooney stuff tbh. Kinda hope we don't sign him.

not that i really keep an eye out on you guys during pre season, but those three signings havnt really come up, be it in reports or on tv. hence why i forgot them. are they just not playing?

[Özim]

No, what he has said is really quite far from the truth.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/22434908

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/23148099

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/23250248


Chelsea have signed 3 players this transfer window. AW is categorically wrong.

He has a tendency to talk sh*t to be fair so this comes as no surprise, the whole interview was ridiculous with his usual nonsense claims.

[Ollie the Optimist]

He has a tendency to talk sh*t to be fair so this comes as no surprise.

im pretty sure most of us, including you, had forgotten about those signings. i think we can let wenger off this one. plus those players while they migth be good, arent the level of players we need this summer anyway.

[StamfordBrdige]

not that i really keep an eye out on you guys during pre season, but those three signings havnt really come up, be it in reports or on tv. hence why i forgot them. are they just not playing?

They have been playing. It's not mentioned cos none of the signings was a long protracted saga. It was all done quite quickly and we got on with pre-season. I haven't been paying the greatest attention to our pre-season games (i never do tbh as i feel it doesn't tell you much). My hope is that we follow this model for the remainder of the season.

[Cripps_orig]

Stamfordbrdige making a mockery out of an arsenal manager?

Normally wouldn't stand for an outsider disrespecting an arsenal manager by correcting him but its Wenger. Go nuts

[StamfordBrdige]

im pretty sure most of us, including you, had forgotten about those signings. i think we can let wenger off this one. plus those players while they migth be good, arent the level of players we need this summer anyway.

I suppose we'll find out soon enough just how good they are. At the minimum they offer some good squad depth which your club currently lacks in some areas. Schwarzer is a billion miles better than Hilario & Turnbull. As it stands i'm very confident about the upcoming season.

[Cripps_orig]

Arsene Wenger could make a bid for Swansea captain Ashley Williams, 28, to ease Arsenal's defensive injury worries.
Full story: Daily Mirror


Buying someone who is a bit shit isn't easing our defensive problems

[Ollie the Optimist]

I suppose we'll find out soon enough just how good they are. At the minimum they offer some good squad depth which your club currently lacks in some areas. Schwarzer is a billion miles better than Hilario & Turnbull. As it stands i'm very confident about the upcoming season.

yeah schwarzer is miles better so thats fair enough, that transfer makes sense even it is only for 1 year. (hes 40 isnt he so cant see him playing much longer) but the others just seem like squad fillers to me. their names werent mentioned often last season, like other names are. seems to be me like they could end up going the way of marko marin. decent player, no playing time, not that effectvie

[StamfordBrdige]

Buying someone who is a bit shit isn't easing our defensive problems

Just the usual tabloid made-up BS. It's a bit odd that you haven't signed anyone of note so far and i honestly think you will sign someone. If the current window closes without another player being signed then that would be a pisstake of fuckoff proportions.

I do think if you get a mauling like the 8-2 at OT a few years back or CL elimination then that would force the issue quite a bit.

[Özim]

yeah schwarzer is miles better so thats fair enough, that transfer makes sense even it is only for 1 year. (hes 40 isnt he so cant see him playing much longer) but the others just seem like squad fillers to me. their names werent mentioned often last season, like other names are. seems to be me like they could end up going the way of marko marin. decent player, no playing time, not that effectvie
An 18 million pound German international squad filler, wouldn't mind us having one tbh.

[Özim]

Just the usual tabloid made-up BS. It's a bit odd that you haven't signed anyone of note so far and i honestly think you will sign someone. If the current window closes without another player being signed then that would be a pisstake of fuckoff proportions.

I do think if you get a mauling like the 8-2 at OT a few years back or CL elimination then that would force the issue quite a bit.

Maulings :bow:

Panic buys :bow:

[Cripps_orig]

Just the usual tabloid made-up BS. It's a bit odd that you haven't signed anyone of note so far and i honestly think you will sign someone. If the current window closes without another player being signed then that would be a pisstake of fuckoff proportions.

I do think if you get a mauling like the 8-2 at OT a few years back or CL elimination then that would force the issue quite a bit.

I think most of us think we'll buy before the deadline slams shut but it won't be who we want or what we need. Will be players of insufficient quality like a Benayoun or an Arteta.

With you guys getting the manager we all wanted, Chelsea have more or less confirmed their top 4 spot which hasn't been the case last couple of seasons. City will be up there and Moyes influence won't have taken over fully yet so Man utd will be up there. That leaves us, Spuds and Liverpool for 4th and both have strengthened.

[StamfordBrdige]

yeah schwarzer is miles better so thats fair enough, that transfer makes sense even it is only for 1 year. (hes 40 isnt he so cant see him playing much longer) but the others just seem like squad fillers to me. their names werent mentioned often last season, like other names are. seems to be me like they could end up going the way of marko marin. decent player, no playing time, not that effectvie

Schurrle is meant to be quite good. 24 caps for the Germany and he's only 22. Doesn't sound bad at all plus he's a sizeable lad which won't hurt his chances in the PL. Of course he could flop big time but i think it's quite unlikely.

Either way any signing carries an element of risk however such is life and one must take risks if one wishes to progress.

[Ollie the Optimist]

Schurrle is meant to be quite good. 24 caps for the Germany and he's only 22. Doesn't sound bad at all plus he's a sizeable lad which won't hurt his chances in the PL. Of course he could flop big time but i think it's quite unlikely.

Either way any signing carries an element of risk however such is life and one must take risks if one wishes to progress.

they could turn out to be brilliant signings and if they do, fair play but in terms of Arsenal, they arent the level of players we need right now hence why im not fussed particually about it. i dont think they will be anything special but if arsenal were looking at those players this summer, id be pissed off

[StamfordBrdige]

I think most of us think we'll buy before the deadline slams shut but it won't be who we want or what we need. Will be players of insufficient quality like a Benayoun or an Arteta.

With you guys getting the manager we all wanted, Chelsea have more or less confirmed their top 4 spot which hasn't been the case last couple of seasons. City will be up there and Moyes influence won't have taken over fully yet so Man utd will be up there. That leaves us, Spuds and Liverpool for 4th and both have strengthened.

Yeah i see what you mean. Not sure what's going on with your club tbh. It's to the point where i can't even take the piss out of my brother and cousins (all arsenal fans) about the lack of signings anymore.

I think our spot in the top 3 is basically guaranteed unless Roman interferes with JM or sacks him or some other self-inflicted bullshit which we seem to have gotten pretty good at the last few seasons. Right now i think the PL is between us and City with ManUtd comfortably finishing 3rd. Having said that i'd happily settle for 3rd (having scored at least 80+pts) and a respectable showing in the cups (quarter or semi finals appearances).

[StamfordBrdige]

they could turn out to be brilliant signings and if they do, fair play but in terms of Arsenal, they arent the level of players we need right now hence why im not fussed particually about it. i dont think they will be anything special but if arsenal were looking at those players this summer, id be pissed off

Not quite sure what's there to be pissed off about. AW and your club have messed things up for themselves. Due to their satisfaction with 4th the perception is that if you want to win stuff you don't go to arsenal. Consequently the sort of players you are talking about won't see arsenal as a place to go to win stuff. To make it worse your wage policy makes no sense (paying crap players & youngsters who haven't done a thing loads but shirking when it comes to paying established players).

Cos of all this i don't think you guys can afford to be as picky as say Bayern or Real.

The biggest problem with your club is that you keep acting like you are some tiny ass club as opposed to the 3rd biggest club in the land. Makes no sense at all.

[Cripps_orig]

Yeah i see what you mean. Not sure what's going on with your club tbh. It's to the point where i can't even take the piss out of my brother and cousins (all arsenal fans) about the lack of signings anymore.

I think our spot in the top 3 is basically guaranteed unless Roman interfers with JM or sacks him or some other self-inflicted bullshit which we seem to have gotten pretty good at the last few seasons. Right now i think the PL is between us and City with ManUtd comfortably finishing 3rd. Having said that i'd happily settle for 3rd (having scored at least 80+pts) and a respectable showing in the cups (quarter and semi finals appearances).
It is difficult to take the piss out of a club when their own fans do it. We have become little bit laughing stock past few years but ever the optimist that I am, I'm keeping the faith. Surely Wenger and the board will have bought all the yachts there are to buy and might spend on the team.

Agree with the title race. Love for us to challenge even if we don't win it but that ain't happening. Likewise with the cups.

Same shit, different season. Our new club motto

[Japan Shaking All Over]

An 18 million pound German international squad filler, wouldn't mind us having one tbh.

Lars Bender?.....one bid.....one rejection and we go running back to our little hole in the sand. What is it with us......we obviously like a player but think only we know that players value......didn't we put a bid in for Capoue on Jan but got rejected......now I am almost positive that it was more than the figure Cardiff are throwing at his club so if we liked him in January why arent we back in again and taking advantage of the lowered price......ohyeah because we think we are getting Felliani!!!!

Why dont we just get it all bloody over with........hire a couple of temp staff contract fixers and sign every fu#cker we want......why does everything about us be so sodding painful

[Harland]

When I say he's not that good I mean he's not as good as people claim, like I said so far he's had one good season.

He's talented no doubt but I don't rate him as one of the best in the world personally, I think he's been overhyped on the back of one good season (much like Adebayor was once upon a time, though obviously he's a lot better than him) and still has a lot to prove.

Higuain scored 107 goals in 190 games for one of the biggest teams where the pressure is immense, I don't see why Suarez should be rated above him on that basis when he's got just 51 goals in 96 games in a much lower pressure environment, it's just good old English hype again.

Mainly cos Higuain was being supplied by Ronaldo, Ozil etc whilst Suarez was taking it upon himself. Who can blame him, with the likes of downing around.

Please remember that Adebayor was starting ahead of Higuain at Real.

At this point though, its really a moot thing to be arguing about. We lost out on Higuain and we wont be getting Suarez.

[Kano]

they could turn out to be brilliant signings and if they do, fair play but in terms of Arsenal, they arent the level of players we need right now hence why im not fussed particually about it. i dont think they will be anything special but if arsenal were looking at those players this summer, id be pissed off
if we were in for schurrle you'd be pissed off? have the media made you lose your mind completely? as it stands he is far more complete wide player than anything we current have. hazard will be absolutely dynamite this season after a good first season. then there is mata. then the return of lukaku who was great for west brom. but yeah sure, i'd rather have chamakh, ramsey, arteta and gervinho than any of that lot.

[LDG]

Pissed again!

[Niall_Quinn]

I only have a bottle of Martini left, wife must have bought it for some strange reason. I've been eyeing it up over the last couple of hours wondering if it tastes as bad as it looks. Trying to decide whether to get some sleep and hit the supermarket early for supplies or whether to down the Martini, get some sleep and hit the supermarket early for supplies.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

I only have a bottle of Martini left, wife must have bought it for some strange reason. I've been eyeing it up over the last couple of hours wondering if it tastes as bad as it looks. Trying to decide whether to get some sleep and hit the supermarket early for supplies or whether to down the Martini, get some sleep and hit the supermarket early for supplies.


There is always a bottle of something in one's drinks cabinet that defies explanation of how it got there, the bottle of Cinzano Bianco that looks retro until you discover that it is actually from the 1980s or the Bristol Cream or Napoleon Brandy that may have originally been bought as cooking constituents.

[The Verminator]

Wenger's latest interview is bound to raise a few eyebrows. When asked about the fans' desire for new players to be added to the squad, the Arsenal Manager responded with this:


The fans need to realise that we have already signed Yaya Sanogo who we believe will add quality to our squad. We still have Monreal, Diaby, Vermaelen and Frimpong returning from injury. In a way these are all like new signings. Players like Jack Wilshere and Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain have matured a little bit and are also like new signings.

Sauce (https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&docid=mDluGKeWhHPUxM&tbnid=F2Fm_450yfU3HM:&ved=0CAUQjRw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.telegraph.co.uk%2Fnews%2Fukne ws%2F8755685%2FHP-Sauce-recipe-secretly-changed-after-116-years.html&ei=VJ78UamVG8eo0AXg-oHwBw&bvm=bv.50165853,d.ZG4&psig=AFQjCNFqtwRNcbaDS9BnbKIxCoFCOP9PLQ&ust=1375596390372569)

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Wenger's latest interview is bound to raise a few eyebrows. When asked about the fans' desire for new players to be added to the squad, the Arsenal Manager responded with this:



Sauce (https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&docid=mDluGKeWhHPUxM&tbnid=F2Fm_450yfU3HM:&ved=0CAUQjRw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.telegraph.co.uk%2Fnews%2Fukne ws%2F8755685%2FHP-Sauce-recipe-secretly-changed-after-116-years.html&ei=VJ78UamVG8eo0AXg-oHwBw&bvm=bv.50165853,d.ZG4&psig=AFQjCNFqtwRNcbaDS9BnbKIxCoFCOP9PLQ&ust=1375596390372569)

He also added for my next trick i am going down to brighton beach, coating my genitalia in glue and pouring bird seed on it and then waiting for nature to take it's course.

[Power n Glory]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/23550760

This is far too messy.

[PGFC]

It's not messy, we've just paved the way for him to go to another club, simples.

[Power n Glory]

Yep, another club. Not ours. I'm just wondering whether the club will try to hash out a deal all through summer or move on to another target. If we spend nothing this summer, we have picked the perfect mule.

[PGFC]

I still have hope that, behind all this, deals are being done in the shadows but...

[GP]

Pissed again!

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[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

Pissed again!

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[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

Pissed again!

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[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

Pissed again!

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[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

Pissed again!

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[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

Pissed again!

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[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

Pissed again!

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[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

Pissed again!

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[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Pissed again!
http://i2.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article1705299.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/Paul%20Gascoigne-1705299.jpg

[LDG]

:lol:

[Power n Glory]

I still have hope that, behind all this, deals are being done in the shadows but...

I had the same hopes but if Suarez wants to take legal action then we're potentially looking at a long drawn out situation. We'd have to hold off from making any major signings unless we drop our interest in him.

[Shaqiri Is Boss]

I had the same hopes but if Suarez wants to take legal action then we're potentially looking at a long drawn out situation. We'd have to hold off from making any major signings unless we drop our interest in him.

It won't get that far. Legal action would take weeks and months, certainly it would never get done by deadline day.

He'll slap in a transfer request and hope that someone puts in a better offer.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

It won't get that far. Legal action would take weeks and months, certainly it would never get done by deadline day.

He'll slap in a transfer request and hope that someone puts in a better offer.

Do you believe Diego Costa is being bought as a replacement for Suarez?

[Shaqiri Is Boss]

Do you believe Diego Costa is being bought as a replacement for Suarez?

If we have actually bid, then yes.

[Niall_Quinn]

Such a song and dance routine. We're the only club in the world that could fuck it this badly. Guess we are just incredibly unlucky.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Wenget has confirmed Gervinho is nearly off (presumably Roma). Bendtner is nowhere and Chakma might be off in the next 48 hours too (on a permanent deal). :faint:

[Munchies]

Wenget has confirmed Gervinho is nearly off . :faint:

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[Seaman's Ponytail]

If the whole saga wasn't already silly enough it just entered the realms of the ridiculous!
http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/news/football-suarez-worth-much-bale-154515011.html

[Niall_Quinn]

If the whole saga wasn't already silly enough it just entered the realms of the ridiculous!
http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/news/football-suarez-worth-much-bale-154515011.html

They'll crack when we eventually up it to £40mill and £11.

[BlindFaith_8]

They'll crack when we eventually up it to £40mill and £11.

Suarez will go to Real Madrid for £50 Million, there is no chance he will be sold to a rival for peanuts, no chance whatsoever. Wenger is deluded and this deal was never gonna happen.

[Ollie the Optimist]

Suarez will go to Real Madrid for £50 Million, there is no chance he will be sold to a rival for peanuts, no chance whatsoever. Wenger is deluded and this deal was never gonna happen.

if madrid spend 100 million on bale, suarez wont be going there. they will have already spent close to 200 million this summer so we can rule that out.

[Cripps_orig]

Out of favour Arsenal striker Marouane Chamakh, 29, has agreed to join Premier League new boys Crystal Palace on a six-month loan deal.
Full story: Sunday Mirror


Good luck to him

[Harland]

if madrid spend 100 million on bale, suarez wont be going there. they will have already spent close to 200 million this summer so we can rule that out.

if they are selling Ronaldo for whatever reason there's actually a very likely chance they'll afford both. Don't forget that Higuain was sold for a reasonable amount too

[Ollie the Optimist]

if they are selling Ronaldo for whatever reason there's actually a very likely chance they'll afford both. Don't forget that Higuain was sold for a reasonable amount too

he was sold for 30, and before he was sold they had already spent 60 million. they are having to borrow money off the banks to pay for bale, i dont think they will be able to afford suarez too. and ronaldo? doubt he will be sold this year.

[Ollie the Optimist]

Since when were we living in fucking Saudi Arabia? I cant post what I want and when I want, and if you don't agree then tough shit and ban me.

right. this is an Arsenal forum, we all clearly want our time to win regardless of what else happens. you coming on, calling wenger "wanker" in every post, hoping we lose to villa, and i believe you said you hoped we lose to spurs too the other day is just pointless. no Arsenal fan wants taht to happen so you coming on here and losing your shit over a post that had a joke link in is quite amusing and largely pathetic

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

right. this is an Arsenal forum, we all clearly want our time to win regardless of what else happens. you coming on, calling wenger "wanker" in every post, hoping we lose to villa, and i believe you said you hoped we lose to spurs too the other day is just pointless. no Arsenal fan wants taht to happen so you coming on here and losing your shit over a post that had a joke link in is quite amusing and largely pathetic

:gp:

also stop offending the core longstanding posters on here. you offend them you're offending all of us.

[GP]

:haha:

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

abusive posts disappearing :bow:

and people laugh at the mods? :pal:

best at what they do tbh

[BlindFaith_8]

I said I hoped Spurs finished above us in 4th place, seocondly i can post my feelings which is anger, fustration for the club I have suppported since the early 70's, so I have every right to say what I feel. I hate the manager the board and some of the players for the way the club has been run. I am passionate about my support and couldnt give a fcuk if we played in the conference, I will still support them. But I wont stand for the fans being ripped off every season with no return apart from 4th spot and 2nd and 3rd rate players. I am in a fcking bad mood so leave me the fcuk alone.

[BlindFaith_8]

:gp:

also stop offending the core longstanding posters on here. you offend them you're offending all of us.
With respect read the postings. I was the one who was called a fcuking idiot. I have never directed my anger or abuse at individuals, however human nature I will respond to anyone who swears at me. So less of the good samirtan pitch.

[Cripps_orig]

With respect read the postings. I was the one who was called a fcuking idiot. I have never directed my anger or abuse at individuals, however human nature I will respond to anyone who swears at me. So less of the good samirtan pitch.

:goodpost:

Whilst I didn't agree with your post about wanting us to lose, you insulted Wenger and not any of the posters.

Did nothing wrong in my book.

Clearly provoked by others. You gave as good as you got and you came out the better man.

A sign of the frustration us Arsenal fans feel.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

With respect read the postings. I was the one who was called a fcuking idiot. I have never directed my anger or abuse at individuals, however human nature I will respond to anyone who swears at me. So less of the good samirtan pitch.

tbf you were being abusive to the extent it got uncomfortable. there was little bit venom in what you were saying. so chill, most of us don't agree with each other which is fine, it would be boring if we all agreed wouldn't it? but no point going over the top about it. we all know what the problems are hence why most of us just take the piss out each other now to help time pass by.

[BlindFaith_8]

:goodpost:

Whilst I didn't agree with your post about wanting us to lose, you insulted Wenger and not any of the posters.

Did nothing wrong in my book.

Clearly provoked by others. You gave as good as you got and you came out the better man.

A sign of the frustration us Arsenal fans feel.

Thank you for taking the time to read my posts, but more importantly understanding where my rage and anger is directed and why. :good:

[Ollie the Optimist]

:goodpost:

Whilst I didn't agree with your post about wanting us to lose, you insulted Wenger and not any of the posters.

Did nothing wrong in my book.

Clearly provoked by others. You gave as good as you got and you came out the better man.

A sign of the frustration us Arsenal fans feel.


except its quite clear on here that there are fans who like wenger, so therefore coming on here and calling him all sorts of names is likely to piss them off?

[Cripps_orig]

except its quite clear on here that there are fans who like wenger, so therefore coming on here and calling him all sorts of names is likely to piss them off?

The only fans on here who like Wenger are WUMs so I wouldn't pay much attention to them.

Anyway its done with.

Back on topic, we bought anyone yet? :lol:

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

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[Ollie the Optimist]

The only fans on here who like Wenger are WUMs

:haha:


how pathetic you are

[BlindFaith_8]

tbf you were being abusive to the extent it got uncomfortable. there was little bit venom in what you were saying. so chill, most of us don't agree with each other which is fine, it would be boring if we all agreed wouldn't it? but no point going over the top about it. we all know what the problems are hence why most of us just take the piss out each other now to help time pass by.
Having a really shit weekend, and I reacted when called an effing idiot. Nobody hear knows me, and therfore I take offence when offensive messages are posted at me. I admit I am controversial and say things that may upset some fellow goons, but it's how I feel and this website is the only place I can vent my fustration about AFC.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

Having a really and I reacted when called an effing idiot. Nobody hear knows me, and therfore I take offence when offensive messages are posted at me. I admit I am controversial and say things that may upset some fellow goons, but it's how I feel and this website is the only place I can vent my fustration about AFC.

:violin:

[BlindFaith_8]

:haha:


how pathetic you are
Hang on a second, there are pro wenger fans on this forum? Unfucking believable.

[Cripps_orig]

:haha:


how pathetic you are

If you like Wenger for what he's doing to our club then thats up to you.

I'm an Arsenal fan though, not a Wenger FC fan.

Team and club come first for me. Always has done, always will do.

You might be happy with how things are under Wenger but believe me, most arent

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

Hang on a second, there are pro wenger fans on this forum? Unfucking believable.

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[Ollie the Optimist]

Hang on a second, there are pro wenger fans on this forum? Unfucking believable.

believe it or not, there are arsenal fans who want wenger to go but respect him for what he has done and dont have to call him a cunt/wanker etc

[Cripps_orig]

Hang on a second, there are pro wenger fans on this forum? Unfucking believable.

WUMs. Not to be taken seriously.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

If you like Wenger for what he's doing to our club then thats up to you.

I'm an Arsenal fan though, not a Wenger FC fan.

Team and club come first for me. Always has done, always will do.

You might be happy with how things are under Wenger but believe me, most arent

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[GP]

There are loads of other Arsenal forums.

I recommend GoonersWorld.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

believe it or not, there are arsenal fans who want wenger to go but respect him for what he has done and dont have to call him a cunt/wanker etc

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[BlindFaith_8]

There are loads of other Arsenal forums.

I recommend GoonersWorld.
Close the door behind you.

[Ollie the Optimist]

If you like Wenger for what he's doing to our club then thats up to you.

I'm an Arsenal fan though, not a Wenger FC fan.

Team and club come first for me. Always has done, always will do.

You might be happy with how things are under Wenger but believe me, most arent

you dont have to hate wenger you know. what he has done for this club, what he has won has been incredible. i know people who want him out, fair enough, but dont hate him. dont have to call him a cunt because he got 4th.

but going around calling wenger a cunt etc is a bit pathetic given that every arsenal fan will have gloated to high heaven a few years ago because of what wenger did, many peoples great arsenal moments will have happend under wenger. you can want him out, thats fine, but dont call him a cunt etc, its going to piss people off

[GP]

Close the door behind you.

I closed the door so I can't hear your verbal diarrhoea.

[GP]

you dont have to hate wenger you know. what he has done for this club, what he has won has been incredible. i know people who want him out, fair enough, but dont hate him. dont have to call him a cunt because he got 4th.

but going around calling wenger a cunt etc is a bit pathetic given that every arsenal fan will have gloated to high heaven a few years ago because of what wenger did, many peoples great arsenal moments will have happend under wenger. you can want him out, thats fine, but dont call him a cunt etc, its going to piss people off

WUMs. Not to be taken seriously.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

Close the door behind you.

http://www.gifbin.com/bin/1232903709_samuel%20l%20jackson%20-%20bad%20ass%20mofo.gif

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

you dont have to hate wenger you know. what he has done for this club, what he has won has been incredible. i know people who want him out, fair enough, but dont hate him. dont have to call him a cunt because he got 4th.

but going around calling wenger a cunt etc is a bit pathetic given that every arsenal fan will have gloated to high heaven a few years ago because of what wenger did, many peoples great arsenal moments will have happend under wenger. you can want him out, thats fine, but dont call him a cunt etc, its going to piss people off

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2wfjlK1Tf1qh2o7zo1_500.gif

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

I closed the door so I can't hear your verbal diarrhoea.

http://i.sharefa.st/wxItyg8ofzLz.gif

[Cripps_orig]

you dont have to hate wenger you know. what he has done for this club, what he has won has been incredible. i know people who want him out, fair enough, but dont hate him. dont have to call him a cunt because he got 4th.

but going around calling wenger a cunt etc is a bit pathetic given that every arsenal fan will have gloated to high heaven a few years ago because of what wenger did, many peoples great arsenal moments will have happend under wenger. you can want him out, thats fine, but dont call him a cunt etc, its going to piss people off
A few years ago?

It's been 8 years. More than a few years. I have the right to insult any man who harms my club be it from the outside ie ferguson for regularly kicking out butts or the inside ie Wenger who's taking the money with no return.

Ideally he will resign and leave with the little respect he has left but when you're on £7m a year for not doing anything, it's unlikely.

What he did from 96-05 was the stuff of legends. All he's done since then is tarnish his legacy.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

A few years ago?

It's been 8 years. More than a few years. I have the right to insult any man who harms my club be it from the outside ie ferguson for regularly kicking out butts or the inside ie Wenger who's taking the money with no return.

Ideally he will resign and leave with the little respect he has left but when you're on £7m a year for not doing anything, it's unlikely.

What he did from 96-05 was the stuff of legends. All he's done since then is tarnish his legacy.

http://forums.kleientertainment.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=10023&d=1372168672&thumb=1

[BlindFaith_8]

believe it or not, there are arsenal fans who want wenger to go but respect him for what he has done and dont have to call him a cunt/wanker etc
Fair comment, but I still think he's clueless piece of shit who has made a fortune from the club, and given fcuk all back. The sad thing is he will be remembered as the manager who failed to win a trophy or honour in a decade and earned more then fergie and mancini and mourinho, still these wengerites must be really happy with 4th place and going to watch champions league football, great. I and the majority fans would like to see us up there with united and city and chels fighting for the title until atleast April and winning a cup or two would be nice as well. What we get fed is how rich the club is, how the uefe fair play will bring us to the forefront and all clubs should follow our business model. Yeah that's nice for a frenchman who has openly admitted being a bayern fan since coming from the french/german border, then we have his puppet who claims to that we have this war chest of riches that we plan to spend every penny. Can we sign Rooney, fuck yeah, we could afford ronaldo, bale and messi at the same time, but we would never buy them as they dont meet our manager criteria, what a fucking joke and fraudaster.

[BlindFaith_8]

I closed the door so I can't hear your verbal diarrhoea.
Eat shit and go dissaper, there's a good little boy.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

Eat shit and go dissaper, there's a good little boy.

dissaper :bow:

charlie's back :bow:

[BlindFaith_8]

A few years ago?

It's been 8 years. More than a few years. I have the right to insult any man who harms my club be it from the outside ie ferguson for regularly kicking out butts or the inside ie Wenger who's taking the money with no return.

Ideally he will resign and leave with the little respect he has left but when you're on £7m a year for not doing anything, it's unlikely.

What he did from 96-05 was the stuff of legends. All he's done since then is tarnish his legacy.
The post of the night. You are taling a lot of sense my friend.

[GP]

dissaper :bow:

charlie's back :bow:

Nah, Charlie was cool. And never this dumb.

[BlindFaith_8]

WUMs. Not to be taken seriously.
Fcuk off and follow the Spudaz and do us a all favour.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

The post of the night. You are taling a lot of sense my friend.

taling :bow:

chaz remembrance day extended by 24 hours :bow: :bow:

[GP]

Fcuk off and follow the Spudaz and do us a all favour.

no u

[BlindFaith_8]

[QUOTE=GayPete;305203]Nah, Charlie was cool. And never this dumb.]
There she goes again, you really are a nagging little bitch.

[GP]

[QUOTE=GayPete;305203]Nah, Charlie was cool. And never this dumb.[
There she goes again, you really are a nagging little bitch.

http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/353/279/e31.jpg

[fakeyank]

Fair comment, but I still think he's clueless piece of shit who has made a fortune from the club, and given fcuk all back. The sad thing is he will be remembered as the manager who failed to win a trophy or honour in a decade and earned more then fergie and mancini and mourinho, still these wengerites must be really happy with 4th place and going to watch champions league football, great. I and the majority fans would like to see us up there with united and city and chels fighting for the title until atleast April and winning a cup or two would be nice as well. What we get fed is how rich the club is, how the uefe fair play will bring us to the forefront and all clubs should follow our business model. Yeah that's nice for a frenchman who has openly admitted being a bayern fan since coming from the french/german border, then we have his puppet who claims to that we have this war chest of riches that we plan to spend every penny. Can we sign Rooney, fuck yeah, we could afford ronaldo, bale and messi at the same time, but we would never buy them as they dont meet our manager criteria, what a fucking joke and fraudaster.

I think wenger is a POS, c*nt etc etc too and I agree with most of your feelings. I am just sick and tired of calling him that. I however disagree with you about the part in bold from your post. Majority fans still think Wenger is the right person. Go to Arsenal's fb page and you will see many dumbasses there. Wenger is like the best sex we ever had 8 years ago and a lot of the fans cant forget the fucking we got from this Frenchman.. they still want that old fucking.. its gone though! Even Viagara cant help now.. :ilt:

PS: Think I should go to youjizz.com more often before 'coming on to' GW :lol:

[KSE Comedy Club]

Evenin gents!

What's happening here then.......?..........oh, handbags!?!

[BlindFaith_8]

https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSH32AIvcmwvKyUqiVI-_9G86YtBygae-UaYlvtMrVjxKAXYBFVhttps://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSH32AIvcmwvKyUqiVI

[Cripps_orig]

Evenin gents!

What's happening here then.......?..........oh, handbags!?!
Nah. Just BlindFaith getting the better of WUMs.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

Evenin gents!

What's happening here then.......?..........oh, handbags!?!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QA3pkB74ElA

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

no mods online :haha:

and people say they do a good job? :pal:

goonersweb revolution :bow:

[KSE Comedy Club]

:lol:

[BlindFaith_8]

Our season starts in 11 days time, and the thread is titled Summer transfer speculation and shit! And who have we signed thus far? Forget Suarez, it will never happen in a million years, then Higuain was on our radar but went to napoli for 35 mill but we supposedly bid just the 23 mill. Now lets look down the road at our noisy neighbours. They have signed 3 very good players smashing our highest transfer fee paid to a player. They are saving for a stadium but are still spending money for fun. They have imo a brilliant manager, a much better squad and first 11 than us, they are just about to make 95 million profit for a player we could have signed but we got fcking ramsey instead, thank you Wanker for that. We'd have to pay someone 95 mill to get shot off. So overal Gents a very depressing summer of zero activity and these pro wenger fans still have faith in this cretin? The world is truly going mad and the lunatics are running the asylum.

[Cripps_orig]

http://www.talksport.co.uk/magazine/features/130802/six-quality-players-arsenals-last-minute-transfer-trolley-dash-202931

6 last minute panic it's we might make

[BlindFaith_8]

Makes you wonder with such good players avaiable, our so called great manager puts all his eggs in one basket for one players who A is banned from the first month or two and B is not the soluition to our problems and C it was alway a pipe dream for us to spend 40 mill on a transfer fee and then 20 Mill plus on wages on one player, it's never gonna happen. Then you see the players that we need on talkshite and I just wonder what the fcuk our scouts all over euorope are doing. Thr problem is Stan the cunt has given Wanjer cart blanche to do as he wants and that is where our problems start and finish. I have not been excited about the start of the premiership for about 5 years now, it's the same dross and and droning depressing voice you hear making excuse after excuse. I hate the cunt.

[Niall_Quinn]

Just tell me now, is there going to be more fighting? If not I'll get an early night.

[GP]

Just tell me now, is there going to be more fighting? If not I'll get an early night.

http://i1.sndcdn.com/artworks-000036213399-r43gve-crop.jpg?5ffe3cd

[BlindFaith_8]

Just tell me now, is there going to be more fighting? If not I'll get an early night?
No fighting from me, I don't fight with girls or bitches.

[Niall_Quinn]

http://i1.sndcdn.com/artworks-000036213399-r43gve-crop.jpg?5ffe3cd

CUNT (no disrespect intended)

[Cripps_orig]

No fighting from me, I don't fight with girls or bitches.

:lol:

You sir are awesome

[BlindFaith_8]

http://i1.sndcdn.com/artworks-000036213399-r43gve-crop.jpg?5ffe3cd

http://img17.echo.cx/img17/8293/rudeboy0kq.jpg Say hello to my little boy!

[Niall_Quinn]

Chavs getting ready to launch £40mill bid for shrek. Tight wads wouldn't even go the extra quid.

In other news, Wenger suggests Suarez is worth £100mill if Bale is worth that much. So Rodgers sticks up the price to £100mill :doh:

[BlindFaith_8]

:lol:

You sir are awesome

Cheers Cripps, sticks and stones don't apply to me. If I get hit, I hit back but harder.:wwf:

[Niall_Quinn]

http://img17.echo.cx/img17/8293/rudeboy0kq.jpg Say hello to my little boy!

I'll see your boy and raise you one ->

http://www.whoateallthepies.tv/_40767996_james203other.jpg

[Cripps_orig]

Chavs getting ready to launch £40mill bid for shrek. Tight wads wouldn't even go the extra quid.

In other news, Wenger suggests Suarez is worth £100mill if Bale is worth that much. So Rodgers sticks up the price to £100mill :doh:
Did Wenger say that?

I thought it was Rodgers

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

Just tell me now, is there going to be more fighting? If not I'll get an early night.

WHERE'S MA BRITAIN GONE? FACKIN' MUSLAMICS TAKIN' OVA

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Fohl1_xDFjc/TejwJHYPrSI/AAAAAAAAAFo/AlboLNAQT7o/s320/chav.jpg

[Niall_Quinn]

Also, this from ex-slave Ronaldo:


Show me the money! Ronaldo will stay at Real Madrid when Bale arrives... but only if he's paid £320,000 a week
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2384219/Show-money-Ronaldo-stay-Real-Madrid-Bale-arrives--hes-paid.html#ixzz2axL7d5Bq

[BlindFaith_8]

I'll see your boy and raise you one ->

http://www.whoateallthepies.tv/_40767996_james203other.jpg
:lol:Who is that kid? He looks like Tom Hanks playing Goldie Locks.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

someone text letters and wake the poor sod up. this place has gone awol.

[Niall_Quinn]

WHERE'S MA BRITAIN GONE? FACKIN' MUSLAMICS TAKIN' OVA

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Fohl1_xDFjc/TejwJHYPrSI/AAAAAAAAAFo/AlboLNAQT7o/s320/chav.jpg

Shut yer face and evryfink

[Niall_Quinn]

someone text letters and wake the poor sod up. this place has gone awol.

This is an Arsenal transfer window you know? What else is there to do?

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

This is an Arsenal transfer window you know? What else is there to do?

tbf mrs letters might be getting jiggy time for once. cant disrupt her once in a lifetime experience.

letters :bow:

italian (3 ft) stallion :bow:

[Niall_Quinn]

Pissed again!

THIS is pissed!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2384061/Man-64-finds-penis-missing-waking-drunken-night.html

[Seaman's Ponytail]

http://www.talksport.co.uk/magazine/features/130802/six-quality-players-arsenals-last-minute-transfer-trolley-dash-202931

6 last minute panic it's we might make

At the risk of both a. getting this thread back on track and b. starting up the motorbike jokes again, that Honda is well worth getting, quality player

[KSE Comedy Club]

THIS is pissed!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2384061/Man-64-finds-penis-missing-waking-drunken-night.html
I think if we read between the lines we all know what he was doing with his cock and that dog.

Serves him right, filthy cunt :sulk:

[Grebbo]

We've supposedly agreed a fee of £6m to sign some German kid called Ginter.

Can't be arsed to copy and paste the article.

[Özim]

We've supposedly agreed a fee of £6m to sign some German kid called Ginter.

Can't be arsed to copy and paste the article.
:rolleyes: Please tell me this is BS, surely we can't be still wasting money on totally unproven kids again?

[Grebbo]

Well I think kid was a bit OTT. I think he's 21 and plays in the first team of some German club. Hardly inspiring though

[Power n Glory]

He's 19!

[Cripps_orig]

http://www.101greatgoals.com/blog/arsenal-agree-6-1m-fee-for-freiburg-19-year-old-matthias-ginter-sunday-sun/

:haha:

Just go, Wenger. Please for the love of god, leave.

[Özim]

Yup 6 million for a 19 year old unknown is a waste of money IMO when we could be putting that towards a more established players. Sorry but we shouldn't be looking at kids anymore considering our current plight.

[Özim]

http://www.101greatgoals.com/blog/arsenal-agree-6-1m-fee-for-freiburg-19-year-old-matthias-ginter-sunday-sun/

:haha:

Just go, Wenger. Please for the love of god, leave.
The guy just can't help himself, just wish he would leave gracefully, after having to cull half his squad due to his cheap unknowns buying policy he still seems adamant he wants to bring more in!

[Fist of Lehmann]

Ginter. :sick:

Shit pasties.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

the summer signing that we expected has come at last, a player that won't improve us, has the same physical attributes as pretty much every other player we already have in midfield and will guarantee the only one optimistic about our chances is Wenger.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

the summer signing that we expected has come at last, a player that won't improve us, has the same physical attributes as pretty much every other player we already have in midfield and will guarantee the only one optimistic about our chances is Wenger.

Really is someone actually taking the time to covertly remove every article i write that makes the suggestion of wenger being a paedo?. I don't think for a minute that he is.....but he sometimes does have an unhealthy interest in 16-18 year old males.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Yes, so stop it. You were warned about it ages ago.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Yes, so stop it. You were warned about it ages ago.

Maybe i should turn it around and accuse you of being homophobic for assuming that the term boy fancier was meant in a negative light

I don't know some of the posts on here border on the grotesque, and yet any humourous mentioning of Wenger's rumoured sexual peccadilloes gets white washed.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Maybe i should turn it around and accuse you of being homophobic for assuming that the term boy fancier was meant in a negative light

I don't know some of the posts on here border on the grotesque, and any humourous mentioning of Wenger's rumoured sexual peccadilloes gets white washed.

Well you can't turn it around because you just previously admitted it was a reference to Wenger being seen as a paedophile, also I haven't actually accused you of any label, merely saying to stop it. It's no different to me trying to remove any mention of an ex-Arsenal player being accused of being a rapist.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Well you can't turn it around because you just previously admitted it was a reference to Wenger being seen as a paedophile, also I haven't actually accused you of any label, merely saying to stop it. It's no different to me trying to remove any mention of an ex-Arsenal player being accused of being a rapist.

Douglas Adams in Hitchikers Guide to the Galaxy wrote about a planet called Golgafrincham where the inhabitants got rid of the useless third of their population who didn't actually provide any meaningful benefit to the planet (telephone santiisers, business consultants, public relations executives) by launching them all up in a spaceship and getting that spaceship to crash land on another planet far away....i wonder how many internet forum moderators would have been on that ship?

[GP]

Douglas Adams in Hitchikers Guide to the Galaxy wrote about a planet called Golgafrincham where the inhabitants got rid of the useless third of their population who didn't actually provide any meaningful benefit to the planet (telephone santiisers, business consultants, public relations executives) by launching them all up in a spaceship and getting that spaceship to crash land on another planet far away....i won't how many internet forum moderators would have been on that ship?

Dunno, tell us when you get there.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Douglas Adams in Hitchikers Guide to the Galaxy wrote about a planet called Golgafrincham where the inhabitants got rid of the useless third of their population who didn't actually provide any meaningful benefit to the planet (telephone santiisers, business consultants, public relations executives) by launching them all up in a spaceship and getting that spaceship to crash land on another planet far away....i won't how many internet forum moderators would have been on that ship?

There will always be moderators. It's why his work is listed under science fiction.

[Power n Glory]

Kid can play in the midfield or defence. Jack of all trades but master of none type player.

[Özim]

Kid can play in the midfield or defence. Jack of all trades but master of none type player.
He'll probably hailed as "great" by a select few regardless of how he performs.

[LDG]

I think he'll probably be shit and good.

[Ollie the Optimist]

He'll probably hailed as "great" by a select few regardless of how he performs.

Ironic given some have already started labelling him as shit and he hasn't even performed for us

[Özim]

Ironic given some have already started labelling him as shit and he hasn't even performed for us
Most people recognise he's the wrong type of player to sign, we're not after youngsters who aren't proven at this stage and shouldn't be looking at them.

We need established players to come in to improve the quality of the team.

[Niall_Quinn]

I think with Sanogo and Ginter we go into the new season as clear favourites for the title. And still nothing spent as we can pay for this guy from the money saved on ditching half the squad. PLUS we can sign someone else down the line from the money we'll be saving when we ditch these two players, provided anyone wants them. This is all very prudent.

[Ollie the Optimist]

Most people recognise he's the wrong type of player to sign, we're not after youngsters who aren't proven at this stage and shouldn't be looking at them.

We need established players to come in to improve the quality of the team.

i completely agree with that, however what you said was that there would be some who would label him as great regardless of how he performs when no one has said that, in fact its all been negative.

[Niall_Quinn]

And be honest. With all the talk of Suarez and Higuain and Rooney, nobody once mentioned Ginter, did they? So the smokescreen has been 100% effective. I;d love to be a fly on the wall at city or the chavs today. Boom, they are looking one way and meanwhile Ginter slips right under their noses.

[Özim]

i completely agree with that, however what you said was that there would be some who would label him as great regardless of how he performs when no one has said that, in fact its all been negative.
Yes I did, because some will (I won't name names) as they do with other players who clearly aren't.

[LDG]

Yes I did, because some will (I won't name names) as they do with other players who clearly aren't.

Yep. Walcott isn't very good really.

[Ollie the Optimist]

Yes I did, because some will (I won't name names) as they do with other players who clearly aren't.


no one has said he is great, everyone has been saying be it here or twitter etc, taht he could good signing if we get him AS WELL AS top class players. yet you come in with a pointless comment that people will just say he is great regardless when others have already written him off already and no one has said he is great

[Fist of Lehmann]

Yes I did, because some will (I won't name names) as they do with other players who clearly aren't.
People have differing opinions based on subjective criteria.

This is deemed normal on a public forum.

[Niall_Quinn]

no one has said he is great, everyone has been saying be it here or twitter etc, taht he could good signing if we get him AS WELL AS top class players. yet you come in with a pointless comment that people will just say he is great regardless when others have already written him off already and no one has said he is great

We'll see in 4 weeks. So far everything is as always, some bargain bucket signings that won't have any impact on the team this season. And a whole bunch of promises about big signings but still all words and no action. Plus an embarrassing and amateurish slapstick performance at the negotiating table again. All in all the odds must be pointing to the club fucking the fans up the arse again and cynicism based on 8 years of getting fucked hard is pretty understandable. Maybe this year it will be different... or next, or next, or next...

[Ollie the Optimist]

We'll see in 4 weeks. So far everything is as always, some bargain bucket signings that won't have any impact on the team this season. And a whole bunch of promises about big signings but still all words and no action. Plus an embarrassing and amateurish slapstick performance at the negotiating table again. All in all the odds must be pointing to the club fucking the fans up the arse again and cynicism based on 8 years of getting fucked hard is pretty understandable. Maybe this year it will be different... or next, or next, or next...

clearly missed the point i was making

[Özim]

People have differing opinions based on subjective criteria.

This is deemed normal on a public forum.
Differing opinions fair enough, but calling a player "great"...hmmm that's just deluded, there's very few "great players" around.

[Niall_Quinn]

clearly missed the point i was making

Just skipping past it to the underlying point and the reason there's a rift between sections of the fans. But winding back, I think it's correct. There's a group of the fans that will continue to put out club PR that flies in the face of the realities. I don't think it's unreasonable to point that out because it's already happening.

[Unai Tea]

Sounds like a good signing...

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/arsenal-transfers-matthias-ginter-profile-1935643

We still need a couple top quality players coming in though but if we have actually paid money for someone, that at least is progress.

[Marc Overmars]

Who the hell is Ginter and we're not really signing him are we?

Sanogo is enough for the WUM signings this summer.

[GP]

Who the hell is Ginter and we're not really signing him are we?

Sanogo is enough for the WUM signings this summer.

We have a squad of 17. We need to sign quality young players like this.

I don't see the problem.

[Ollie the Optimist]

We have a squad of 17. We need to sign quality young players like this.

I don't see the problem.

as long as we add some top class players to the squad, i have no problem with this signing either

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Also, let's not forget this has come from the Sun. :lol:

[The Emirates Gallactico]

Dunno, I'm quite happy with Ginter. Young, German and seems to be quite good. Probably will go on to become a top CB in a year or two the same way Kos has.


As a stand alone transfer it does make sense however in the context of this summer with the lack of signings overall, yes it is frustrating I suppose.

[Fist of Lehmann]

Freiburg already denying it.

http://gossip.ladyarse.com/arsenal/2013/08/04/freiburg-deny-arsenal-deal-to-sign-ginter/

German Efficiency :bow:

[Unai Tea]

Freiburg already denying it.

http://gossip.ladyarse.com/arsenal/2013/08/04/freiburg-deny-arsenal-deal-to-sign-ginter/

German Efficiency :bow:

Ah, our shit summer continues then...

[Niall_Quinn]

We have a squad of 17. We need to sign quality young players like this.

I don't see the problem.

The quality young players we have just got their arses handed to them in a 7-0 defeat by a non-league team. Maybe we've had enough of quality young players now and just need to get on and spend some of that mountain of cash the club has been raking in. Get a proper team together and then supplement with quality young players, not the other way around. I mean who's not sick of this bullshit now?

[Niall_Quinn]

Freiburg already denying it.

http://gossip.ladyarse.com/arsenal/2013/08/04/freiburg-deny-arsenal-deal-to-sign-ginter/

German Efficiency :bow:

Oh, it's one of our no offer made signings. That's a relief.

[Özim]

The quality young players we have just got their arses handed to them in a 7-0 defeat by a non-league team. Maybe we've had enough of quality young players now and just need to get on and spend some of that mountain of cash the club has been raking in. Get a proper team together and then supplement with quality young players, not the other way around. I mean who's not sick of this bullshit now?
Yes super super quality, we've always picked up the best youngsters in Europe and will continue to do so!

[Niall_Quinn]

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/manchester-united-transfers-bastian-schweinsteiger-2121586

If any of that is true then two things:

1. Guardiola must be a moron
2. We must, must, must get this player

[Ollie the Optimist]

Yes super super quality, we've always picked up the best youngsters in Europe and will continue to do so!


just to point it out, last time we signed an unheard of defender, it was koscienly. that worked out pretty well

[Munchies]

Somehow we're getting £7m for Gervinho :haha:

He's arrived in Italy:
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/08/04/article-0-1B249B5E000005DC-640_306x423.jpg

[Özil's Panoramic View]

just to point it out, last time we signed an unheard of defender, it was koscienly. that worked out pretty well

No. Hasn't yet, tbh. He's cost up dearly for most of the time he's been here and was an absolute disaster that no one wanted near the team till he finally put in a decent shift last 10 games of last season. Though I wish for his fine form to continue, it's still too early to say he's worked out well, IMO. Give him at least a few games in the 1st half of the season before making such a conviction.

[GP]

just to point it out, last time we signed an unheard of defender, it was koscienly. that worked out pretty well

Yep, exactly. Kos has been magnificent since he got here.

[Marc Overmars]

Somehow we're getting £7m for Gervinho :haha:

He's arrived in Italy:
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/08/04/article-0-1B249B5E000005DC-640_306x423.jpg

Another casualty from the horrific 2011 summer window.

[Ollie the Optimist]

No. Hasn't yet, tbh. He's cost up dearly for most of the time he's been here and was an absolute disaster that no one wanted near the team till he finally put in a decent shift last 10 games of last season. Though I wish for his fine for me to continue, it's still too early to say he's worked out well, IMO. Give him at least a few games in the 1st half of the season before making such a conviction.

season before last he was superb the whole way through it

[Globalgunner]

Yep, exactly. Kos has been magnificent since he got here.

Except when he was crap in his first season. I am fan of Koscielny, so live in hope that he maintains his form but let's not start rewriting history now. Also for every Kozzer there's a stepanovs, djorou, senderos and that big French disaster, whose name escapes me not to mention that shit Silvestre.

[Niall_Quinn]

Yep, in the main crap in his first season. But he turned it around well and he's quickly establishing himself as our next major sale.

[Master Splinter]

There's no middle ground on the internet of course, but Koscielny was good in his first season, albeit with several instances of growing pains.

He was our best player in his second season.

When he finally displaced Vermaelen and took his rightful place in defence last season, he was our best player once again.

Or alternatively: "lolz kos haz had 10 good gamez and iz scorez own goals and is a kalamatee".

[Joker]

Or alternatively: "lolz kos haz had 10 good gamez and iz scorez own goals and is a kalamatee".

Yes that's untrue, but it's no more of a fallacy than to say he's been good throughout his Arsenal career which is not correct either.

[Niall_Quinn]

SPEND SOME FUCKING MONEY OR PISS OFF YOU TIGHT WAD

[McNamara That Ghost...]

http://i44.tinypic.com/xbe3iw.png

[Niall_Quinn]

Food fighters :bow:

Happy for eboue though.

[Master Splinter]

Yes that's untrue, but it's no more of a fallacy than to say he's been good throughout his Arsenal career which is not correct either.

I said he was good in his first season, with mistakes thrown in. So a mixed first season, with signs of promise if you feel that's more accurate.

And to deny he's been very good since then would tell me you (not you in particular) haven't watched many Arsenal matches.

It was good of you to defend those who you feel have been slighted by that sentence once again though. Maybe highlighting the incredible and continued childish distortion of reality by those you always seem honour-bound to stand up for would be more worthwhile, however.

[Niall_Quinn]

I said he was good in his first season, with mistakes thrown in. So a mixed first season, with signs of promise if you feel that's more accurate.

And to deny he's been very good since then would tell me you (not you in particular) haven't watched many Arsenal matches.

It was good of you to defend those who you feel have been slighted by that sentence once again though. Maybe highlighting the incredible and continued childish distortion of reality by those you always seem honour-bound to stand up for would be more worthwhile, however.

You're deliberately missing his point. What he's saying is come on city!

[Özim]

Koscielny has been hot and cold, overhyped in his 1st season where he made some real calamities, much better at the tail end of last season, let's see how he gets on in this one.

Some seem to think our defensive worries are solved based the end of season run at the end of the season, I'm not convinced we quite often have a good run when we can't win anything anymore but tend to struggle and make plenty of errors when we still have a chance.

[Joker]

I said he was good in his first season, with mistakes thrown in. So a mixed first season, with signs of promise if you feel that's more accurate.

And to deny he's been very good since then would tell me you (not you in particular) haven't watched many Arsenal matches.

It was good of you to defend those who you feel have been slighted by that sentence once again though. Maybe highlighting the incredible and continued childish distortion of reality by those you always seem honour-bound to stand up for would be more worthwhile, however.

I don't feel honour bound to defend anyone, I realise that if anyone says Kos has been shit apart from 10 games is distorting reality. However, at the same time there are those who seem to ignore all the positive contributions Walcott made last season for example, and still claim he is a crap player. Those distortions don't get questioned much on this board, while the distortions of those you're caricaturing do, so no point in me joining in as well.

[Marc Overmars]

If WUM A doesn't like a player, WUM B will. And vice versa.

As a great man once said, there's no middle ground on the internet.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

If WUM A doesn't like a player, WUM B will. And vice versa.

As a great man once said, there's no middle ground on the internet.

who was this pious self-satisfied prick?

[Niall_Quinn]

If WUM A doesn't like a player, WUM B will. And vice versa.

As a great man once said, there's no middle ground on the internet.

WUM B doesn't know WTF he's talking about, tbf.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

This might explain why Arsene Wenger is prepared to say that we are good enough to challenge for the title


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9ya6G5S8MA

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Transfer Centre at 19:30 on SSN with Jim White. :lol:

[Özim]

If WUM A doesn't like a player, WUM B will. And vice versa.

As a great man once said, there's no middle ground on the internet.
I like the way you discriminate against WUM C, D etc.

WUM D genuinely believes he can challenge for the title of master WUM FYI, but people like you constantly put him down telling him hes sh*t and undermine his confidence, thus affecting his spirit and togetherness.

[Grebbo]

This Ginter lad actually sounds pretty good, probably means we won't get him.

This from a German on Redcafe:


Hmm, seems that the "Sun" has become a little bit more creative in their name dropping. Can´t see the deal happening, because Ginter seems to be keen to remain at Freiburg for at least one season and will then probably join a bigger German side (I personally hope, that the interest of Dortmund turns out to be concrete).

IF Arsenal manages to land that deal, it would be a major steal by them and also a big improvement. Ginter is in short the biggest CB talent in Germany right now and also a big reason, why Freiburg, a club with one of the smalles budgets in the Bundesliga, managed to finish 5th in the league.

He can also play DM, but his strengths are clearly in the center defense IMO. He has outstanding composure and maturity in his play for a 19 year old. On top of that, his passing range and accuracy are really good. Biggest weakness right now is probably his behaviour in aerial duels. That is a field he needs to work on.

Another good indicator for his huge potential is the "Fritz-Walter-Medaille". The medal is an annual award, which was established in 2005 and rewards clubs for outstanding youth development. It works like Olympic medals and includes four categories (U17/U18/U19/Women), so the best possible outcome for a male player in his youth career would be three gold medals. That scenario never happened until now, though. However, Ginter is one of the two players who managed to win it twice (2012/2013). The second player: Mario Götze (2009/2010).

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Bale unhappy, Suarez unhappy, Wazza unhappy according to Bryan Swanson.

Worth waiting for that piece of news.

[Marc Overmars]

Transfer Centre at 19:30 on SSN with Jim White. :lol:

Does he have a Goldberg style entrance again?

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Does he have a Goldberg style entrance again?

More like Vince, it's all about him this time. His own show!

[Marc Overmars]

More like Vince, it's all about him this time. His own show!

I'm now picturing him entering the studio with the Vince strut.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

It needs to happen, fresh from getting off the chopper. And the Goldberg theme. Balotelli can provide the indoor fireworks.

Also, nothing of not mentioned on here. It's more like Sky Sports News without the women to ogle.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

John Collins thinks the only player we've been linked with is Suarez. :unsure:

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

John Collins thinks the only player we've been linked with is Suarez. :unsure:

not really that far off the mark is it?

[McNamara That Ghost...]

not really that far off the mark is it?

Apart from the reams of players we've been linked with? Maybe he meant in terms of actual bids but I don't think so.

[Ollie the Optimist]

not really that far off the mark is it?

when you rule out

higuain
bernard
ashley williams
julio cesar
ginter
fellaini
fabregas
rooney
begovic

just to name a few, yeah not many

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Beginning to think only something will only happen if we make the CL proper, which is hardly ideal. And risky. Balls knows what we do if we don't qualify.

[Shaqiri Is Boss]

Beginning to think only something will only happen if we make the CL proper, which is hardly ideal. And risky. Balls knows what we do if we don't qualify.

I'd like to see Suarez's reaction if you didn't though. It'd likely be his 'clause' up the creek and render his latest crying excuse pretty meaningless...

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

I'd like to see Suarez's reaction if you didn't though. It'd likely be his 'clause' up the creek and render his latest crying excuse pretty meaningless...

Suarez is the only player we are currently being linked with and 19 year old blonde boys from mid-table Bundelsiga sides don't count.

[Cripps_orig]

Just read the posts from today

:lol:

That is all.

Back on topic, has Wenger mentioned anything about players in the post match crap?

[McNamara That Ghost...]

I'd like to see Suarez's reaction if you didn't though. It'd likely be his 'clause' up the creek and render his latest crying excuse pretty meaningless...

Banging his arm furiously probably, so to speak.

[Fist of Lehmann]

not really that far off the mark is it?

Yeah, it's roughly in that kind of ballpark.

http://gossip.ladyarse.com/arsenal/2013/08/03/209-players-linked-with-arsenal-and-counting/

[Özim]

when you rule out

higuain
bernard
ashley williams
julio cesar
ginter
fellaini
fabregas
rooney
begovic

just to name a few, yeah not many

Great news, god forbid we might actually sign anyone though.

[Özim]

Just read the posts from today

:lol:

That is all.

Back on topic, has Wenger mentioned anything about players in the post match crap?


Probably request Peter interview him after the match to ask him more Geography questions tbh.

[Ollie the Optimist]

Great news, god forbid we might actually sign anyone though.

if we sign someone, you will moan that we spent too much money, bought the wrong player or whatever.

if we dont sign someone, you iwll moan anyway. its boring now

[Özim]

if we sign someone, you will moan that we spent too much money, bought the wrong player or whatever.

if we dont sign someone, you iwll moan anyway. its boring now

I want us to do the logical thing and sign 3-4 quality players, that's what I want us to do. Spunking all our cash up the wall on one player or buying some unknowns won't do, simple.

[Ollie the Optimist]

you want world class players, you have said so before and now you dont want to play world class prices. as you said the other day, 20-25 million max per player. you wont get teh world class players we need at that price. want world class, wont pay it


are you wenger?

[Niall_Quinn]

Arsenal Hint at New Signings
http://i1035.photobucket.com/albums/a433/qwerty12343/shopping-trolley-hc-120l-_zps8f82bd9f.jpg

[Özim]

you want world class players, you have said so before and now you dont want to play world class prices. as you said the other day, 20-25 million max per player. you wont get teh world class players we need at that price. want world class, wont pay it


are you wenger?

I want top class players yes, I don't want us to spunk 70-80 million on one player though, it makes no sense when the team is as average as it is. 20-25 million buys you quality which will significantly improve the team.

Hamsik for example is a quality player and wouldn't cost the earth, there's quality out there if you have decent scouts.

Until this summer people were saying we don't need to spend 30-40 million on one player, suddenly it's we have to to buy quality, what BS.

[Munchies]

Fucking Cardiff are signing Capoue, Soton got Wanyama, Norwich spent £9m on Wolfswinkel
...
We got Sanogo

[GP]

Fucking Cardiff are signing Capoue, Soton got Wanyama, Norwich spent £9m on Wolfswinkel
...
We got Sanogo

I know, we've done well.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Suarez discussion on 5live earlier (and a more general Arsenal one also).

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p01dpqw2

[Ollie the Optimist]

Suarez discussion on 5live earlier (and a more general Arsenal one also).

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p01dpqw2

listened to that earlier. its very interesting. there is definetly something about that clause. and commoli is right, we arent a sideways move because we are a better club then liverpool right now without suarez, add him in and we can achieve bigger things

[Marc Overmars]

Beginning to think only something will only happen if we make the CL proper, which is hardly ideal. And risky. Balls knows what we do if we don't qualify.

I'm also bracing myself for a mad dash.

As long as the quality is right I won't be bothered, whether it will be is another matter though...

[Xhaka Can’t]

I want us to do the logical thing and sign 3-4 quality players, that's what I want us to do. Spunking all our cash up the wall on one player or buying some unknowns won't do, simple.

That, essentially is what I want. It should have been our strategy all along.

As it happens, there has been no strategy - if there had have been, we would have ended up with at least two players and a little bit of business to finish before the end of the window.

Had we even just maintained the quality we had in the squad two seasons ago, the signing of Suarez would have been great (pretending for a second that it was ever going to happen).

[Cripps_orig]

Arsenal are close to landing their second signing of the summer with 19-year-old defender Matthias Ginter on the verge of a £6m move from Bundesliga side Frieburg.
Full story: Metro

Liverpool and Arsenal are both interested in signing 17-year-old MK Dons midfielder Dele Alli. Both clubs may offer to loan the player back for the remainder of the season.
Full story: Daily Mirror

Liverpool manager Brendan Rodgers has accused Arsenal of lacking class in their attempts to trigger a release clause in the contract of 26-year-old striker Luis Suarez. The Uruguay international was the only member of Liverpool's first-team squad not to attend a gala dinner after captain Steven Gerrard's testimonial against Olympiakos on Saturday.
Full story: the Guardian

Atletico Nacional midfielder Sebastian Perez, 20, will begin a trial with Arsenal on Monday.
Full story: Red London

But the Gunners' attempts to bring in United Arab Emirates play-maker Omar Abdulrahman have suffered a set-back with his current club, Al Ain, refusing to release the 21-year-old for a trial in London.
Full story: Daily Mirror


No thanks

Liverpool can have him

Rodgers is spot on

Who?

Oh dear god

[Niall_Quinn]

LOL, not a single player on that list who will make a blind bit of difference in the coming season.

EDIT: Including Suarez who won't be and never was joining us.

[Asthmatic Kitty]

project youth it is then.
though i do think getting a young CB in makes sense - any decent CB in their prime is not going to want to sit on the bench as 4th choice all season, whereas a youngster will accept it.

can someone explain to me what is so terrible about bidding £40m + £1 if we believe his release clause to be £40m? would these same people have a problem if we bid £41m? why do you want to light £1m on fire for no reason?

[Cripps_orig]

It's taking the piss. Its classless.

Offer 40.1m but when have you ever seen a club offer a pound?

We have more class than that or at least I thought we did

[JonasTC]

how the fuck can u agree on us lacking class!? Liverpool are the stupid cunts lacking class, they keep talking in the media about the deal, seriously every single day we have some new liverpool scum bad mouthing us for no reason other that we have bid for their striker. Stuff like that should stay between the clubs until they can agree a deal or not and then part ways, Arsenal havent done anything wrong, they bid the clause who apperently was 40mil and 1 pound, thats liverpool lacking class not us, their lawyers hustled luis suarez and should have just made the clause 40mil or 41mil.

[Niall_Quinn]

The £1 was utterly ridiculous coming from a club that is already viewed as the biggest penny pinchers in the history of everything in the whole world ever. The arseholes that run our club are clueless and don't even have the good grace to die. But true enough, listening to Rodgers whinge on every day is boring at best.

[Ollie the Optimist]

I'm not sure Brendan Rodgers can talk about class when he did this to his old club weeks after leaving.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2178888/Swansea-disappointed-Liverpool-Brendan-Rodgers-Joe-Allen-pursuit.html

Two faced twat

[Özim]

how the fuck can u agree on us lacking class!? Liverpool are the stupid cunts lacking class, they keep talking in the media about the deal, seriously every single day we have some new liverpool scum bad mouthing us for no reason other that we have bid for their striker. Stuff like that should stay between the clubs until they can agree a deal or not and then part ways, Arsenal havent done anything wrong, they bid the clause who apperently was 40mil and 1 pound, thats liverpool lacking class not us, their lawyers hustled luis suarez and should have just made the clause 40mil or 41mil.
Wrong, the supposed clause (which we now know didn't exist) was any bid over £40 million, we're the ones that bid the extra £1, thus it was a ridiculous bid, as Cripps said usually a club will bid 40.1 million or something like that.

[Joker]

It was classless but not unexpected given that people like Kroenke and Gazidis only understand the financial 'bottom line' and nothing else.

[LDG]

Never thought there would be a time where our own fans were backing the manager of Liverpool over our own club.

Rogers is a twat who openly invited the press to talk about Theo Walcott last summer, so the lipstick wearing cunt can fuck off.

[GP]

Arsenal have acted with nothing but dignity over this whole affair. It's Liverpool that are making everything public.

Anyone who agrees with Rogers needs to have a word with themselves.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

I really don't understand how an offer for a player in private can be classless, whatever it is. Derisory yes but classless? Classless is criticising, nay, denigrating the buying club publically of why a player would want to go there.

40 million and a pound is more insulting than a £35 million offer seemingly.

[Joker]

I'm criticising the owners of our club not the club itself.

[Özim]

I really don't understand how an offer for a player in private can be classless, whatever it is. Derisory yes but classless? Classless is criticising, nay, denigrating the buying club publically of why a player would want to go there.

40 million and a pound is more insulting than a £35 million offer seemingly.
Let's be honest here, if we believed a clause existed it's because we've spoken to someone who thought it did, this suggests we went behind Liverpool's back at some stage.

Some might call this tapping up something we've complained about in the past but it seems ok for us to do.

[Xhaka Can’t]

I'm criticising the owners of our club not the club itself.

There is plenty to criticise the club about, but the only mouthing off in the press is from Liverpool and the absolutely total hypocracy from Brendan Rodgers.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Let's be honest here, if we believed a clause existed it's because we've spoken to someone who thought it did, this suggests we went behind Liverpool's back at some stage.

Some might call this tapping up.

At that stage we all knew about the clause, or at least we thought we did! What you say is right though, the agent probably had indicated to Arsenal that if you bid that amount, he'd be allowed to leave. Liverpool can't be that naive to insert (or promise to a player apparently) that they could go for a certain amount and that other clubs would not find out about it though. Why would they agree to put it in/promise to the player?

It might have been tapping up (I think he wanted to leave way before we ever bid for him though) but we're talking about the offer itself as being classless.

[Özim]

I always felt the offer was a bit of a p*ss take to be honest, it's the £1 that would really rile someone up (and it has clearly). We decided to go down that route and now Liverpool are annoyed it's no big surprise to me.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Even when you didn't believe we had made it? :ninja:

To be honest, if I had seen that come through a fax machine or whatever, I would have laughed.

[Xhaka Can’t]

I don't care if Liverpool are hypocrites and annoyed. Their player wants to leave - I don't particularly want him, but while we don't know what the clause specifically is, the clause is there because that is what they themselves valued him at. They probably even valued him at less than that as well because these clauses are usually at a premium to the actual valuation.

[Özim]

:lol: Except then!

Yeah they might have thought it was a joke too initially, but when they found out that after turning down their 1st bid we made a 2nd one of £1 more they probably stopped laughing and thought we're a bunch of jokers.

[Özim]

I don't care if Liverpool are hypocrites and annoyed. Their player wants to leave - I don't particularly want him, but while we don't know what the clause specifically is, the clause is there because that is what they themselves valued him at. They probably even valued him at less than that as well because these clauses are usually at a premium to the actual valuation.

The plain facts are however, that they don't want to sell, the clause doesn't force them to and he's under contract so the ball is in their court. They've said they don't really want to sell and that only a much bigger offer would even make them reconsider.

In addition although he said he wanted to leave he said he wanted to move abroad as well.

[LDG]

:lol: Except then!

Yeah they might have thought it was a joke too initially, but when they found out that after turning down their 1st bid we made a 2nd one of £1 more they probably stopped laughing and thought we're a bunch of jokers.

These are the same jokers who paid £35m for Andy Carrol don't forget. And stupid money for Stuart Downing. And countless other useless bags of shite.

£35m, to my mind, was a very good bid for a player of Suarez quality. £40m is even better (forget the pound, this is just bollocks anyway, and I very much doubt they care about it, and if they did, they need to get a sense of humour).

He is not worth £50m. So all we are talking about here, is the £1.

I happen to think it's funny as fuck. And they can shove it as far as I'm concerned. The likley senario is that our extra £1 was as a return insult to Liverpool, who showed contempt for a very reasonable bid of £35m.

[Özim]

These are the same jokers who paid £35m for Andy Carrol don't forget. And stupid money for Stuart Downing. And countless other useless bags of shite.

£35m, to my mind, was a very good bid for a player of Suarez quality. £40m is even better (forget the pound, this is just bollocks anyway, and I very much doubt they care about it, and if they did, they need to get a sense of humour).

He is not worth £50m. So all we are talking about here, is the £1.

I happen to think it's funny as fuck. And they can shove it as far as I'm concerned. The likley senario is that our extra £1 was as a return insult to Liverpool, who showed contempt for a very reasonable bid of £35m.

Even more reason why they think Suarez is worth 50 million surely? :lol:

Whether you think he's worth that or not (and I agree with you he's not), he's their player and under contract and they don't want to sell. On that basis they can name their price because they don't want him to go so will be happy either way.

[Shaqiri Is Boss]

I love the transfer window.

[GP]

I love the transfer window.

:gp:

It makes perfectly reasonable people go crazy and crazy people go full retard.

[Marc Overmars]

I think what it boils down to is that everyone outside Arsenal feels like the club has it's place and has no business in trying to sign players like this.

[GP]

I think what it boils down to is that everyone outside Arsenal feels like the club has it's place and has no business in trying to sign players like this.

Perception.

Fat Sam woz rite.

[Özim]

I think what it boils down to is that everyone outside Arsenal feels like the club has it's place and has no business in trying to sign players like this.
Reckon they think our place is in a small town in France somewhere, where things are cheap.

[LDG]

:gp:

It makes perfectly reasonable people go crazy and crazy people go full retard.

I'm usually quite calm about it all, and I still don't listen to half the bollocks out there anyway.

That said, I really wanted us to show a little bit sharpness early doors as a sign of intent. It's very difficult not to be worried, when you've seen transfer windows slip by without any urgency on our part for the last few years.

Forget the paper guff, and twitter etc, I don't believe it for one second. But I'm still frustrated we haven't added to what seem now a core of decent players, deadwood removed.