Summer Transfer Speculation and Shit [Archive] - Page 15

Ollie the Optimist

16-07-2013, 10:04 PM

Who knows, according to everyone on here everything is BS except what suits them.

When we've had a bid accepted and confirmed by an official source I'll believe this isn't just spin and that we're genuine about signing quality players.

I'm certain Ian Ayre is an official source, given he is liverpools managing director and all that. So therefore him confirming a 30 million pound bid is showing we are genuine about signing world class players

Master Splinter

16-07-2013, 10:05 PM

If you were an Italy international would you go from Scudetto to shithole just because they made an offer?

Some reasons here:

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11695/8827007/Transfer-news-Emanuele-Giaccherini-excited-by-Sunderland-switch

Leo was obviously an influence, especially if he has fascist tendencies.

It is pleasing to see a player just moving to play football more regularly. Sunderland can't be paying him ridiculous wages in comparison to Juventus. Or maybe they can.

McNamara That Ghost...

16-07-2013, 10:09 PM

Clearly trying to setup a fake bidding war to up the price when Madrid eventually buy him.

Has there ever been a bidding war? :lol:

Some war when he says only one team has made an offer for him. Having signed Isco, I'd be very surprised if they signed Suarez. Real Madrid are usually quite forthright in getting players they want, especially under Perez so I don't think one offer from us is going to spur them in to doing what they don't really want to do.

Özim

16-07-2013, 10:09 PM

I'm certain Ian Ayre is an official source, given he is liverpools managing director and all that. So therefore him confirming a 30 million pound bid is showing we are genuine about signing world class players
I don't believe it and I don't believe we would ever bid that money for a player with a view to signing him......if anything this would be an low bid to suit the clubs agenda.

We know how much Suarez would cost and whatever we've bid we'd know it's not enough...seen this sh*t before from us.

Master Splinter

16-07-2013, 10:11 PM

I thought Maccy had more sense than this.

Ollie the Optimist

16-07-2013, 10:12 PM

I don't believe it and I don't believe we would ever bid that money for a player with a view to signing him......if anything this would be an low bid to suit the clubs agenda.

We know how much Suarez would cost and whatever we've bid we'd know it's not enough...seen this sh*t before from us.

You don't believe we've made a bid when all evidence says we have. Right. Not agenda driven at all.

We don't know how much Suarez would cost either. Liverpool have not said he is x price. They've just said they rejected our bid, so all we know is that he is valued at 31 million or more.

Japan Shaking All Over

16-07-2013, 10:13 PM

I don't think we'd have many qualms selling him to you, so long as the money was right. We sold Torres to Chelsea afterall, simply because Roman gave us a skip full of money. And I think he has already said he is honoured to be linked blah de blah. We can sell our biggest name to Chelsea of all teams, I don't think Arsenal are as big rivals (in that we don't hate you) in that regard.

But obviously we'd be desperate to sell him off abroad. I give it a few days before the Higuain + Cash for Suarez rumours start. And I daresay we'd accept lower from a foreign club in order to make that happen.

As for him only being a £30m player. :lol: No. No chance. And in any case, if the price did start to come down to this level I think bigger teams (and before you all start, you are a big team) would become interested. He was a coup when we got him for £22.8m, he's certainly a bigger player now.

As for whether he's worth the risk..... I'd say yes. Fucking mental, massive dickhead, ridiculous player. What makes things worse though is he seemed to have turned a corner before the Ivanovic thing; there was less remonstrating with officials, less idiocy, less theatrics, less of the attitude, but I think there will always be occasions where he flies off the handle. A comparison between him and Higuain are a bit off given they're totally different players. And of course, if he did stay in the country, given his excuses of not liking Britain and the controversy, he'd be our public enemy #1... which would make our games a little more interesting.

I can see Pool selling if the price is right, be it to a domestic rival or not......do I want him, I would have to see past the warts and say yes while at the same time holding my breath that he doesnt FU.....like we know he can....then there is th diving.....god forbid if he forces me to defend those kind of actions.

NQ mentioned that a=our interest could send out the wrong signals to Higuian and things are looking a tadge off with that guy......Cavani signing with PSG will mean Napoli come into the picture with a fantastic amount of money to snap up who they want......feck we ae painful to be associated with come transfer window time (not exactly the only time but you get my gist???)

either Suarez, Hig.....then Felliani and if you like Cesc plz

16-07-2013, 10:15 PM

Suarez doesn't even dive that much.

He's no Bale or Gerrard.

Özim

16-07-2013, 10:15 PM

You don't believe we've made a bid when all evidence says we have. Right. Not agenda driven at all.

We don't know how much Suarez would cost either. Liverpool have not said he is x price. They've just said they rejected our bid, so all we know is that he is valued at 31 million or more.
We will not sign Suarez, mark my words, nor will we sign Rooney or Fellaini or it seems Cesar.

That leaves Higuain and it looks like he's not coming either.

Great bit of business by the club, the bank balance is looking very healthy!

Özim

16-07-2013, 10:17 PM

I can see Pool selling if the price is right, be it to a domestic rival or not......do I want him, I would have to see past the warts and say yes while at the same time holding my breath that he doesnt FU.....like we know he can....then there is th diving.....god forbid if he forces me to defend those kind of actions.

NQ mentioned that a=our interest could send out the wrong signals to Higuian and things are looking a tadge off with that guy......Cavani signing with PSG will mean Napoli come into the picture with a fantastic amount of money to snap up who they want......feck we ae painful to be associated with come transfer window time (not exactly the only time but you get my gist???)

either Suarez, Hig.....then Felliani and if you like Cesc plz
He's a scumbag of a footballer let's face it. Sure lots of footballers are scumbags, but he's something else.

Power n Glory

16-07-2013, 10:17 PM

Ollie the Optimist

16-07-2013, 10:21 PM

We will not sign Suarez, mark my words, nor will we sign Rooney or Fellaini or it seems Cesar.

That leaves Higuain and it looks like he's not coming either.

Great bit of business by the club, the bank balance is looking very healthy!

Interesting change of subject there

Shaqiri Is Boss

16-07-2013, 10:22 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NeihatAEk0g

:haha:

Xhaka Can’t

16-07-2013, 10:24 PM

I thought Maccy had more sense than this.

Lettuce hacked his account.

Cripps_orig

16-07-2013, 10:24 PM

I don't believe it and I don't believe we would ever bid that money for a player with a view to signing him......if anything this would be an low bid to suit the clubs agenda.

Got to disagree here.

I can see us making genuine £35-40m bid for players.

Of course that will be the era when players are going for 100m+...

16-07-2013, 10:27 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgwAywJlo1M

Injury Time

16-07-2013, 10:38 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgwAywJlo1M
That's how you throw that is, you limp wristed fuck :handbags:

Cripps_orig

16-07-2013, 10:39 PM

That's how you throw that is, you limp wristed fuck :handbags:

:haha:

Özim

16-07-2013, 10:52 PM

I prefer this clip:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPbJLG65iMg

Edinburgh Gooner

16-07-2013, 10:57 PM

I say fuck it. Maybe we have missed a bit of bite in the team for too long. Suarez would give us that for sure.

Master Splinter

16-07-2013, 11:13 PM

£40m bid :bow:.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/arsenal/10184058/Arsenal-need-to-launch-40m-bid-to-lure-Luis-Suarez-from-Liverpool.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/arsenal/10184058/Arsenal-need-to-launch-40m-bid-to-lure-Luis-Suarez-from-Liverpool.html)

Can't wait to have an utter piece of shit leading us to exhilirating yet vacuous glory.

All the other ambitious cool kids are doing it, why not us.

After all, football is about eleven guys on a distant pitch trying their hardest to make you feel better about your life by winning matches and making sure you can point and laugh at a rival fan's face rather than crawl in front of your laptop with a razor prepared as you type your latest dissatisfaction with £7.5m-a-year bastard Wenger.

Time to bring this slimy bitey racist super-talented **** home.

Niall_Quinn

16-07-2013, 11:18 PM

Silly of them to say we need to bid £40mill because now the maximum we'll ever bid is £39mill. Helpful for us though as it takes the uncertainty out of screwing up the transfer.

16-07-2013, 11:29 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrUvu1mlWco

Niall_Quinn

17-07-2013, 12:37 AM

Fuck. That's terrible shit.

Ralpheroo72

17-07-2013, 01:20 AM

Cripps_orig

17-07-2013, 01:43 AM

Same old shit, different season.

As we know, the money is there. Always has been. Wenger refuses to spend

Niall_Quinn

17-07-2013, 02:32 AM

Yes, I know its the Daily Mail, I know! But the annual quotes from our glorious board members sum up the bullshit:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2366311/Arsenal-make-statement-intent-years-promises-NEIL-ASHTON.html

As you know well, tell Wenger the player and he will go and buy him. Tell him! It is not so easy you know. We are in the waiting period. We wait for one big player and then every player will move but they must be top, top quality. Will we improve? Yes, why not? But we have Diaby and Gnabry, should we kill them? If we beat their heads and smash their brain then they are dead, yes maybe we can buy some top players. But then we have murdered people, is this worth it? Is it what you want? Blood on your hands?

Globalgunner

17-07-2013, 05:57 AM

A tall thin Frenchman enters a Ferrari dealership and asks the prices of some models. He is shocked to find that the cheapest is 150k and the highest at a mind blowing 250k.
He demands to see the manager and offers him 60k for the cheapest vehicle
"I do not zee why this car costs 3 times what my Lexus does. Is this not a little bit expensive"
"But sir, this is finest Italian engineering,". states the bewildered manager
"No. I disagree. My wife's Alfa Romeo is Italian, has the same number of doors and tires and can do more than the twice the speed limit. I will offer you 50k and throw in one misfiring Gervinho or I will take my business to the Audi dealer next door"

Japan Shaking All Over

17-07-2013, 06:52 AM

:blink:

Lord Nelson

17-07-2013, 07:09 AM

who?

No thanks.
This thread should probably be closed now, no one is coming to Arsenal <_<

Ralpheroo72

17-07-2013, 07:28 AM

Marca running with a story that Carthola has agreed a deal to go to Atletico Madrid. Pure bollocks if you ask me.

KSE Comedy Club

17-07-2013, 07:56 AM

Marca running with a story that Carthola has agreed a deal to go to Atletico Madrid. Pure bollocks if you ask me.
Probably true.

He's getting out while he can

Dicks and chicks

17-07-2013, 07:56 AM

santi carzola is on his way to athletic madrid,

they got lots of spending money after selling falcao, could be interesting if he goes http://hereisthecity.com/2013/07/17/arsenal-transfer-news-rooney-wants-out-but-so-does-cazorla/

guess the board lied when they said no star player would leave arsenal

KSE Comedy Club

17-07-2013, 07:59 AM

If they do sell him then they can be officially named ****s :good:

Anyway it's from Marca so you know it's horseshit.

Ollie the Optimist

17-07-2013, 08:28 AM

Cazorla to leave? Yeah that's bullshit

Ollie the Optimist

17-07-2013, 08:29 AM

Same old shit, different season.

As we know, the money is there. Always has been. Wenger refuses to spend

Except it hasn't been. As admitted this summer.

Kano

17-07-2013, 08:44 AM

2011

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/arsenal/8645886/Arsenal-chief-executive-Ivan-Gazidis-guarantees-manager-Arsene-Wenger-has-substantial-funds-to-spend.html

17-07-2013, 08:49 AM

Except it hasn't been. As admitted this summer.

Exactly.

Power n Glory

17-07-2013, 08:52 AM

Except it hasn't been. As admitted this summer.

http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/arsenal-fc/transfers-alle/verein_11.html

Regardless of how the money has been raised, you can't argue with the fact that we spent around £46m last year. Year before was close to £60m and before that £20m.

Instead of spending around £10m each on Podolski and Giroud, we should have just spent £20m on one top class striker. If we've bid £18m - £20m for Higuain now, we could have bid that same amount for him last season!

Ollie the Optimist

17-07-2013, 08:56 AM

http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/arsenal-fc/transfers-alle/verein_11.html

Regardless of how the money has been raised, you can't argue with the fact that we spent around £46m last year. Year before was close to £60m and before that £20m.

Instead of spending around £10m each on Podolski and Giroud, we should have just spent £20m on one top class striker. If we've bid £18m - £20m for Higuain now, we could have bid that same amount for him last season!

Key difference and that's wages. But ignoring that, signing one player like Higuain last year is great, but if he got injured, we were left with chamakh up front. We needed good players and squad players therefore we needed to sign several players. We did. Now we can go and splash the cash on the one world class player because we have the squad behind him

Ollie the Optimist

17-07-2013, 09:00 AM

2011

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/arsenal/8645886/Arsenal-chief-executive-Ivan-Gazidis-guarantees-manager-Arsene-Wenger-has-substantial-funds-to-spend.html

Direct quote from gazidas this year "aw has done an outstanding job to keep us in the mix on a limited budget"

Power n Glory

17-07-2013, 09:08 AM

Key difference and that's wages. But ignoring that, signing one player like Higuain last year is great, but if he got injured, we were left with chamakh up front. We needed good players and squad players therefore we needed to sign several players. We did. Now we can go and splash the cash on the one world class player because we have the squad behind him

How? Pod is supposed to be on £90k - £100k already and Giroud can't be on anything less than £50k. Higuain isn't on that much at Madrid and reports were batting around £100k as the wage he'd be on?

As for that argument about options up front....Podolski hardly played up front and Theo started more games through the middle than he did. Gervinho as well. We had a good chunk of the season where Pod was on the bench too. We need quality over quantity. Wenger is terrible at rotating players and hardly made use of his bench at all. If you're not happy on the bench, he'll freeze you out totally so forget the argument of needing a big squad. When Theo was having contract issues he'd play Ramsey out wide instead of starting Theo, which was senseless.

Kano

17-07-2013, 09:09 AM

Direct quote from gazidas this year "aw has done an outstanding job to keep us in the mix on a limited budget"
one quote against many from agm's and the media over the past few years stating the opposite, so the balance clearly leans one way more than the other. if they want to change that perception, rhetoric is not going to do it. their own words and lack of action haunt them.

Power n Glory

17-07-2013, 09:10 AM

Direct quote from gazidas this year "aw has done an outstanding job to keep us in the mix on a limited budget"

Again, limited does not mean no money and it's obvious when you look at how much we've spent. How comes you're unable to grasp this?

Özim

17-07-2013, 09:10 AM

2011

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/arsenal/8645886/Arsenal-chief-executive-Ivan-Gazidis-guarantees-manager-Arsene-Wenger-has-substantial-funds-to-spend.html
:lol:

Ollie the Optimist

17-07-2013, 09:14 AM

How? Pod is supposed to be on £90k - £100k already and Giroud can't be on anything less than £50k. Higuain isn't on that much at Madrid and reports were batting around £100k as the wage he'd be on?

As for that argument about options up front....Podolski hardly played up front and Theo started more games through the middle than he did. Gervinho as well. We had a good chunk of the season where Pod was on the bench too. We need quality over quantity. Wenger is terrible at rotating players and hardly made use of his bench at all. If you're not happy on the bench, he'll freeze you out totally so forget the argument of needing a big squad. When Theo was having contract issues he'd play Ramsey out wide instead of starting Theo, which was senseless.

Quality over quantity is fine, except over a season if you lose you quality and don't have quantity, you are fucked. So if we signed a Higuain/Suarez last year, we wouldn't have had giroud or podolski. So if he was injured for a length of time, we would have to play Walcott or chamakh or even god forbid, bentner up front. Then Ramsey plays on the right as theo is up front, and gervinho/ox on the left. That's not good enough, so you buy a couple of good players. Then year after splash the cash as seems to be our plan.

Forget what we did last year, if we signed Higuain/Suarez now, that's a strike force of pod, Giroud, theo, and the world class striker. Plenty more options so if we did have to rotate, we are rotating in good players who can do a job and keep us competitive.

Özim

17-07-2013, 09:16 AM

Same old shit, different season.

As we know, the money is there. Always has been. Wenger refuses to spend
Pretty much.

Believing Wenger will spend big is like believing in Santa Claus tbh.

Been there done that, heard the BS time and time and time again, this summer is no different to any other summer, spin about money, Wenger saying 1 or 2 quality players, linked to some pipedream signings which seem to drag on forever as they're never going to happen etc etc.

Ollie the Optimist

17-07-2013, 09:16 AM

one quote against many from agm's and the media over the past few years stating the opposite, so the balance clearly leans one way more than the other. if they want to change that perception, rhetoric is not going to do it. their own words and lack of action haunt them.

I'm not going to argue with that because its true. The club need to learn that the best way of telling fans we have money and will spend is to announce a huge signing. Not telling the press we can spend

Ralpheroo72

17-07-2013, 09:17 AM

We aren't signing Higuain or Suarez.

Power n Glory

17-07-2013, 09:18 AM

Quality over quantity is fine, except over a season if you lose you quality and don't have quantity, you are fucked. So if we signed a Higuain/Suarez last year, we wouldn't have had giroud or podolski. So if he was injured for a length of time, we would have to play Walcott or chamakh or even god forbid, bentner up front. Then Ramsey plays on the right as theo is up front, and gervinho/ox on the left. That's not good enough, so you buy a couple of good players. Then year after splash the cash as seems to be our plan.

Forget what we did last year, if we signed Higuain/Suarez now, that's a strike force of pod, Giroud, theo, and the world class striker. Plenty more options so if we did have to rotate, we are rotating in good players who can do a job and keep us competitive.

You're talking rubbish, Ollie. So last year you would have turned down an RVP replacement, star striker for two just above par players?

Niall_Quinn

17-07-2013, 09:20 AM

I must tell you, the money has been stolen. It is left on the bus. A large dog has eaten it.

17-07-2013, 09:24 AM

Quality over quantity is fine, except over a season if you lose you quality and don't have quantity, you are fucked. So if we signed a Higuain/Suarez last year, we wouldn't have had giroud or podolski. So if he was injured for a length of time, we would have to play Walcott or chamakh or even god forbid, bentner up front. Then Ramsey plays on the right as theo is up front, and gervinho/ox on the left. That's not good enough, so you buy a couple of good players. Then year after splash the cash as seems to be our plan.

Forget what we did last year, if we signed Higuain/Suarez now, that's a strike force of pod, Giroud, theo, and the world class striker. Plenty more options so if we did have to rotate, we are rotating in good players who can do a job and keep us competitive.

Exactly right.

It's amazing how myopic some can be.

Ollie the Optimist

17-07-2013, 09:28 AM

You're talking rubbish, Ollie. So last year you would have turned down an RVP replacement, star striker for two just above par players?

no not if i was looking at the short term picture. however, we know the club dont operate on the short term but the long term picture. this summer is the one everyone says we have money because of new deals etc, wenger would know this, and realise he needed a squad of good players to challenge not shit ones, then could sign teh world class player this year, and go for the title next season (2013/14). thats not an unreasonable suggestion.

plus even with van persie as a world class player, we still only competed for top four, replacing him with like for like, wouldnt change that. you need a couple of world class players and a good squad. even if we signed a van persie last season, we wouldnt have challenged for the league, it would have just been top four again. so add in three very good players imo, then the world class ones the next season, you have a much better chance.

a striker line up of world class striker, theo, chamkh and bentner

or a line up of world class striker, podolski, theo, giroud,

which one is more likely to compete and challenge and probably win you stuff over the season?

Power n Glory

17-07-2013, 09:28 AM

Exactly right.

It's amazing how myopic some can be.

Bollocks. You telling me you wouldn't have taken a top top striker like Higuain to replace RVP last season?

Ralpheroo72

17-07-2013, 09:29 AM

Chavs have bid for Rooney - another one we aren't buying incidently

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/23342660

Niall_Quinn

17-07-2013, 09:29 AM

So the argument is, if you have one prime steak and four vomited up rashers and you give the steak away you need to stick your finger down your throat to pad out the meal?

Özim

17-07-2013, 09:29 AM

Considering Podolski was played on the wing most of the time and Giroud is average at best...I'd have taken the world class striker last summer personally (that was never going to happen of course, just like it won't this summer either).

Ollie the Optimist

17-07-2013, 09:30 AM

Pretty much.

Believing Wenger will spend big is like believing in Santa Claus tbh.

Been there done that, heard the BS time and time and time again, this summer is no different to any other summer, spin about money, Wenger saying 1 or 2 quality players, linked to some pipedream signings which seem to drag on forever as they're never going to happen etc etc.

i think you need to get out of the mindset of its only a good signing if we spend 30 million on him. judge a player by what he is, not his price tag. cazorla was only 12 million yet he was one of the best players in hte league. so if wenger went out and signed another 3 cazorlas at 12 million each, id be delighted.

however the issue is not spending big, its the haggling over small amounts. dont look at the price tag, look at the player. price tags lie, ie torres

Niall_Quinn

17-07-2013, 09:30 AM

Chavs have bid for Rooney - another one we aren't buying incidently

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/23342660

I'm a little bit shocked we aren't buying Rooney.

Power n Glory

17-07-2013, 09:31 AM

no not if i was looking at the short term picture. however, we know the club dont operate on the short term but the long term picture. this summer is the one everyone says we have money because of new deals etc, wenger would know this, and realise he needed a squad of good players to challenge not shit ones, then could sign teh world class player this year, and go for the title next season (2013/14). thats not an unreasonable suggestion.

plus even with van persie as a world class player, we still only competed for top four, replacing him with like for like, wouldnt change that. you need a couple of world class players and a good squad. even if we signed a van persie last season, we wouldnt have challenged for the league, it would have just been top four again. so add in three very good players imo, then the world class ones the next season, you have a much better chance.

a striker line up of world class striker, theo, chamkh and bentner

or a line up of world class striker, podolski, theo, giroud,

which one is more likely to compete and challenge and probably win you stuff over the season?

Stop with the rubbish. The tightening up of our defence was the main difference this season. For once, we were able to hold on to a 1 nil lead. Add RVP into the mix or a striker that could win us games and we'd have had a good shot at silverware.

Niall_Quinn

17-07-2013, 09:32 AM

Ollie the Optimist

17-07-2013, 09:33 AM

Stop with the rubbish. The tightening up of our defence was the main difference this season. For once, we were able to hold on to a 1 nil lead. Add RVP into the mix or a striker that could win us games and we'd have had a good shot at silverware.

with van persie, we competed for the top four, nothing else. so how is just replacing him with like for like going to make us win stuff with a squad that hasnt improved or competed past february before he left?

Kano

17-07-2013, 09:35 AM

Chavs have bid for Rooney - another one we aren't buying incidently

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/23342660
that's nuts if it's mata in part exchange.

Özim

17-07-2013, 09:36 AM

Chavs have bid for Rooney - another one we aren't buying incidently

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/23342660
http://www.moronacity.com/tech-journal/images/2011/February/small-Facebook-like-button-counter.gif Wenger likes Rooney

Niall_Quinn

17-07-2013, 09:37 AM

Spend some fucking money!

Özim

17-07-2013, 09:38 AM

i think you need to get out of the mindset of its only a good signing if we spend 30 million on him. judge a player by what he is, not his price tag. cazorla was only 12 million yet he was one of the best players in hte league. so if wenger went out and signed another 3 cazorlas at 12 million each, id be delighted.

however the issue is not spending big, its the haggling over small amounts. dont look at the price tag, look at the player. price tags lie, ie torres
You're not going to find a top striker at bargain basement prices, strikers if anything are the most expensive of players due to their value to the team in terms of goals.

We only got Cazorla cut price due to Malaga's money trouble's anyhow.

Ollie the Optimist

17-07-2013, 09:43 AM

You're not going to find a top striker at bargain basement prices, strikers if anything are the most expensive of players due to their value to the team in terms of goals.

We only got Cazorla cut price due to Malaga's money trouble's anyhow.

im not saying sign players at bargin prices. what im saying is stop thinking he cant be a world class player unless he costs 30 million

Power n Glory

17-07-2013, 09:45 AM

with van persie, we competed for the top four, nothing else. so how is just replacing him with like for like going to make us win stuff with a squad that hasnt improved or competed past february before he left?

:doh:

So selling him and buying two inferior squad players makes sense? I've already said that the main difference this year was our defence and being able to hold on to a lead for once. That's down to Wenger and Bould tinkering making sure we are more organised.

What's happened to your argument about not having the money? So it's not financial issue now and more to do with what we needed as squad?

17-07-2013, 09:49 AM

Seymour Butts

17-07-2013, 09:50 AM

http://www.moronacity.com/tech-journal/images/2011/February/small-Facebook-like-button-counter.gif Wenger likes Rooney

I really cant see Man U selling to Chelsea to be honest. I think with Mour****face back in the hot seat Man U will see Chelsea as their biggest rivals. Regardless of what people say on here I would love to see Rooney in an Arsenal shirt - he is a world class player and I think if he were to move to a team where he is the main man and focal point of the team he would be dynamite. He would definitely get this at Arsenal and I am not sure where else he would get this so essentially it would be a good move for both parties. I think Man U would also be more willing to sell to Arsenal too after RVP. It will never happen as despite what Ivan has said I can not imagine us paying his wages

Power n Glory

17-07-2013, 09:55 AM

Absolutely. The squad needed quality all over, blowing your load on one player would have dumb as shit.

:lol: You guys are on one. Don't talk as if this was a long term plan because if it was we wouldn't have frozen out Chamakh, Santos, Gervinho and Park so quickly. One season and they're out.

Cripps_orig

17-07-2013, 09:56 AM

Ollie the Optimist

17-07-2013, 09:58 AM

:doh:

So selling him and buying two inferior squad players makes sense? I've already said that the main difference this year was our defence and being able to hold on to a lead for once. That's down to Wenger and Bould tinkering making sure we are more organised.

What's happened to your argument about not having the money? So it's not financial issue now and more to do with what we needed as squad?

you do not win trophies with a forward line of world class stirker, theo, chamkh and bentner. you just dont, no matter how good your defence is.

therefore, wenger has seen that he knew we had limited money, could get three very good players in, then next summer get the big one. the 3 million pound player in etc and really go for it next season. so what happens is, you improve the squad in the space of year by getting three very good players in and one world class player in that means you can compete especially after fixing the defence it seems. if you signed one world class player, you wouldnt compete

Özim

17-07-2013, 10:01 AM

you do not win trophies with a forward line of world class stirker, theo, chamkh and bentner. you just dont, no matter how good your defence is.

therefore, wenger has seen that he knew we had limited money, could get three very good players in, then next summer get the big one. the 3 million pound player in etc and really go for it next season. so what happens is, you improve the squad in the space of year by getting three very good players in and one world class player in that means you can compete especially after fixing the defence it seems. if you signed one world class player, you wouldnt compete
Compete? Compete for what we got knocked out of all competitions fairly early and struggled to get 4th? What did we compete for exactly?

I'd have rather had a world class striker to watch, if that's what making a few cheap signings instead of world class players does.

Power n Glory

17-07-2013, 10:08 AM

you do not win trophies with a forward line of world class stirker, theo, chamkh and bentner. you just dont, no matter how good your defence is.

therefore, wenger has seen that he knew we had limited money, could get three very good players in, then next summer get the big one. the 3 million pound player in etc and really go for it next season. so what happens is, you improve the squad in the space of year by getting three very good players in and one world class player in that means you can compete especially after fixing the defence it seems. if you signed one world class player, you wouldnt compete

:lol: Bullshit.

So what about this limited budget nonsense? So in theory, we could afford to sign a world class striker, right? The funds were there but we chose to spread the cost on two players that probably won't feature much next season if we spend big this year?

Niall_Quinn

17-07-2013, 10:08 AM

Have we signed anyone yet? Apart from the injured fella?

Power n Glory

17-07-2013, 10:12 AM

Have we signed anyone yet? Apart from the injured fella?

We'll need to downgrade even more before we can upgrade. We won nothing with Cazorla and co so we need to sell him first, replace him with two average players and then move for a world class player. Wenger is a genius. It's chess not checkers!

Özim

17-07-2013, 10:14 AM

We'll need to downgrade even more before we can upgrade. We won nothing with Cazorla and co so we need to sell him first, replace him with two average players and then move for a world class player. Wenger is a genius. It's chess not checkers!
:lol: Great idea, once we have a squad full of average Joe's who are competing we can start looking at top class players!

Ralpheroo72

17-07-2013, 10:14 AM

Napoli sniffing round Higuain

http://www.espn.co.uk/football/sport/story/222065.html?CMP=OTC-RSS#

Carlsberg don't do transfer windows, and neither do Arsenal!

Özim

17-07-2013, 10:15 AM

Napoli sniffing round Higuain

http://www.espn.co.uk/football/sport/story/222065.html?CMP=OTC-RSS#

Carlsberg don't do transfer windows, and neither do Arsenal!
Now that they've received a shedload for Cavani this is becoming very feasible for them, they need a striker and can buy him and still have some change left over.

If we were ever in for him, we've well and truly f*cked this up by dragging our heels as usual.

I f*cking hate the way the club is run.

Niall_Quinn

17-07-2013, 10:24 AM

Napoli sniffing round Higuain

http://www.espn.co.uk/football/sport/story/222065.html?CMP=OTC-RSS#

Carlsberg don't do transfer windows, and neither do Arsenal!

Finally the boys in the boardroom get some good news on the transfer front.

Marc Overmars

17-07-2013, 10:38 AM

that's nuts if it's mata in part exchange.

United should bite their hand off, my Chelsea mate is absolutely livid they're even entertaining the thought of getting rid of Mata.

Power n Glory

17-07-2013, 10:40 AM

Napoli sniffing round Higuain

http://www.espn.co.uk/football/sport/story/222065.html?CMP=OTC-RSS#

Carlsberg don't do transfer windows, and neither do Arsenal!

They've got their priorities all screwed up. Why are they trying to replace Cavani with Higuain?

They should go for two average players instead, forget world class. Chamakh and Bendy are still available.

Ollie the Optimist

17-07-2013, 10:51 AM

Compete? Compete for what we got knocked out of all competitions fairly early and struggled to get 4th? What did we compete for exactly?

I'd have rather had a world class striker to watch, if that's what making a few cheap signings instead of world class players does.

right you clearly havnt read my posts because as i said, in recent seasons with a world class striker we have only competed for the top four

and wth you point in bold, surely you would prefer some billionaire run team to get the world class players becuase then it means more teams compete rather then just english and spainish ones?

selassie

17-07-2013, 11:10 AM

United should bite their hand off, my Chelsea mate is absolutely livid they're even entertaining the thought of getting rid of Mata.

yep, bloody bonkers if true!!!

Özim

17-07-2013, 11:15 AM

right you clearly havnt read my posts because as i said, in recent seasons with a world class striker we have only competed for the top four

and wth you point in bold, surely you would prefer some billionaire run team to get the world class players becuase then it means more teams compete rather then just english and spainish ones?
Irrelevant because last season we competed for nothing and struggled to get 4th, I'd prefer to have a world class striker to two average strikers just as I said before. Your point about making sense signing two lesser players doesn't work for me, a top class striker is likely to win you more matches and will give you a better chance in big games that matter, that's not to say he'll win you stuff on his own, clearly that's not true you need to add other quality players in as well. Signing lesser players when your team isn't that good makes no sense at all.

As for the 2nd part, I'll ignore that shall I.

Ollie the Optimist

17-07-2013, 11:43 AM

Özim

17-07-2013, 11:47 AM

a forward line of van persie, chamkh, theo and bentner got us top four by 1 point

same with giroud, podolski, theo. now tell me, after we sold van persie, if you added a world class player to one of those, which one is more likely to be able to compete over the whole season, cover for injuries/suspensions and still be competitive.

its not htat hard to understand
I think a team with a world class striker is more likely to compete than one with our current bunch of forwards, so it's an easy choice for me, I'd have spent the money on quality rather than quantity, with a view to further improving the team the following season.

By signing lesser players, we're effectively lowering the quality of the team.

Marc Overmars

17-07-2013, 11:47 AM

It's not really that black and white. I think the point being made is that with a top striker last season, we might have improved significantly because our defence was the strongest it had been for years.

The RVC team was handicapped by an appalling defence, while the team last year had a weak front line but a good defence.

So the end result is the same.

Ollie the Optimist

17-07-2013, 11:50 AM

I think a team with a world class striker is more likely to compete than one with our current bunch of forwards, so it's an easy choice for me, I'd have spent the money on quality rather than quantity, with a view to further improving the team the following season.

By signing lesser players, we're effectively lowering the quality of the team.

except the team with the world class player, produced the exact same result as our current forwards did. top four, by a point on the last day. both out of all compeitions by february. how did the world class player make us compete again?

Özim

17-07-2013, 11:52 AM

except the team with the world class player, produced the exact same result as our current forwards did. top four, by a point on the last day. both out of all compeitions by february. how did the world class player make us compete again?
Different seasons, others teams performances were different, there's a lot of other factors so it's not an accurate comparison at all tbh.

I though teams were really poor last season on the whole, the quality of the league seemed much lower than before.

In short Wenger should have spent the money on a top class forward, to replace like for like.

Gooner23

17-07-2013, 12:15 PM

I didn't/still don't have an issue with the Giroud and Pod signings. I think they are both good players which helped improve the squad, and both should hopefully go on to better things this season.

But if the money was available last summer, we should have signed an RVP replacement as well. Indications are that we are trying to rectify that this summer, but I do fear the usual BS at the end of the transfer window about not finding the right players with top top quality etc. If we don't sign an upgrade on Giroud this summer, then there can be no more excuses. Even the die hards will turn on the club IMO.

Anyways, cheeky bid for Mata now that he knows Chelski don't want him?

Cripps_orig

17-07-2013, 01:12 PM

Our search for a striker has ended today. If it even begun that is.

Giroud has just scored a hat trick v pubteanam.

Pleased he scored a hat trick of course but Wenger will use this as a reason not to strengthen.

Roll on next summer

Özim

17-07-2013, 01:42 PM

Didn't he score 2 against the last pub team as well?

Yeah Wenger will probably point to how many goals he's scored etc and we'll have to go through another season of him bottling the key chances when we need a goal.

Ollie the Optimist

17-07-2013, 01:43 PM

defiantly....not.....wumming

Cripps_orig

17-07-2013, 01:46 PM

Wenger won't literally come out and say "we aren't buying a striker cos Giroud scored against pub teams"

It'll be more likely to be something like "we have tried to bring in a striker but in Giroud we have someone who's been in good form in preseason and we trust him"

Basically means the same thing

Özim

17-07-2013, 01:46 PM

Not it isn't it's frustration at a clueless manager who just won't spend some f*cking money on what the team needs for a change, we know him pretty well by now.

McNamara That Ghost...

17-07-2013, 01:59 PM

Go to the Wenger slaughterhouse.

Özil's Panoramic View

17-07-2013, 02:08 PM

Globalgunner

17-07-2013, 02:18 PM

When we last won the league in 2004. How many world class players did we have?. Jens Sol, paddy, Pires, Bergy, Henry. That's at least 6 some would say as many as 8. That seems to be the minimum you need to overcome the deficit of Wenger the clueless as your manager. A
Those arguing crap can sometimes come good are just on a wind-up. It's plain to see for any rationale supporter, that we have come down a long way in terms of squad depth and so have no hope of winning anything as the teams we are up against orestrengthening not diluting. The last year when we had RVP, we had lost Cesc our only other class player. It's Wenger on the gamble again, hoping to make 4th with a squad of journeymen. It's all bull

selassie

17-07-2013, 02:25 PM

It's Wenger on the gamble again, hoping to make 4th with a squad of journeymen. It's all bull

I almost feel as if he's become obsessed with achieving the top 4 target on a minimum/if not net spend in our favour.

Let's be honest, if he was to spend upwards of 50million Net I can't for one minute believe the board wouldn't expect some kind of improvement in terms of performance and the teams standing.

We're in a vicous circle and I have said on countless times...the REAL problem here is Arsene IMHO.

Ivan has more or less put Arsene to task with his preaching of the funds we have available, it's absolutely on Arsene's head to spend it and if he refuses to then he will be the one facing the questions if we fall short this season.

He's got nowhere to hide this time, the money is there.

Ollie the Optimist

17-07-2013, 02:27 PM

I almost feel as if he's become obsessed with achieving the top 4 target on a minimum/if not net spend in our favour.

Let's be honest, if he was to spend upwards of 50million Net I can't for one minute believe the board wouldn't expect some kind of improvement in terms of performance and the teams standing.

We're in a vicous circle and I have said on countless times...the REAL problem here is Arsene IMHO.

Ivan has more or less put Arsene to task with his preaching of the funds we have available, it's absolutely on Arsene's head to spend it and if he refuses to then he will be the one facing the questions if we fall short this season.

He's got nowhere to hide this time, the money is there.

why would a man who won what he did in the first 6 years here change from being obssesed with winning to obssesed with getting top four? that argument just doesnt make any sense

Globalgunner

17-07-2013, 02:32 PM

why would a man who won what he did in the first 6 years here change from being obssesed with winning to obssesed with getting top four? that argument just doesnt make any sense

Maybe not to you. The problem you have is that you hate the reality that stares you in the face so pretend you can't seeit. WENGER himself has said top four IS A Trophy. What more do you need to hear.

17-07-2013, 02:34 PM

Power n Glory

17-07-2013, 02:36 PM

"The first trophy is to finish in the top four,"

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/feb/19/arsene-wenger-arsenal-fourth-place

Ollie the Optimist

17-07-2013, 02:37 PM

No, what he said is that finishing top 4 brings greater rewards then the domestic trophies. Which is correct.

:gp:

wigan won a trophy, would you go and join them over a club who just got top four? no. players, especially the ones we want to sign, want champions league football. tahts what wenger was saying, was that top four meant more to players looking to join you then the league cup

Cripps_orig

17-07-2013, 02:37 PM

Maybe not to you. The problem you have is that you hate the reality that stares you in the face so pretend you can't seeit. WENGER himself has said top four IS A Trophy. What more do you need to hear.

Pretty much.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/feb/19/arsene-wenger-arsenal-fourth-place

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/arsenal/9633456/Arsenal-manager-Arsene-Wenger-says-qualifying-for-Champions-League-on-a-par-with-winning-a-trophy.html

17-07-2013, 02:37 PM

Are you familiar with the concept of a simile?

Ollie the Optimist

17-07-2013, 02:39 PM

Pretty much.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/feb/19/arsene-wenger-arsenal-fourth-place

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/arsenal/9633456/Arsenal-manager-Arsene-Wenger-says-qualifying-for-Champions-League-on-a-par-with-winning-a-trophy.html

you ignored this key quote didnt you? yeah thought so

"I say that because if you want to attract the best players, they do not ask 'did you win the League Cup?', they ask you 'do you play in the Champions League?'."

Joker

17-07-2013, 02:40 PM

:gp:

wigan won a trophy, would you go and join them over a club who just got top four? no. players, especially the ones we want to sign, want champions league football. tahts what wenger was saying, was that top four meant more to players looking to join you then the league cup

The problem with Wenger and those who prefer a top 4 spot to a trophy is that they're only seeing "reward" as an economic thing. Yes, economically speaking top 4 is much superior to a domestic trophy, but winning a domestic cup brings with it intrinsic rewards that cannot be quantified on a balance sheet. For example, we have a rich history of success in the FA Cup, and to continue that success adds to our heritage and is valued by the fans, even though on purely financial criteria, it doesn't mean a lot.

Cripps_orig

17-07-2013, 02:40 PM

you ignored this key quote didnt you? yeah thought so

I thought we were talking about 4th place being a trophy.

Does he say that or not?

selassie

17-07-2013, 02:40 PM

why would a man who won what he did in the first 6 years here change from being obssesed with winning to obssesed with getting top four? that argument just doesnt make any sense

because he probably views us as the best team in the league in the sense we aren't bankrolled.

if he was obsessed with winning he would have done a lot more than he has done over the past 7 years, let's not pretend he's blameless in all of this, he's made his fair share of mistakes, I mean we're still suffering from his crazy "wage policy", we have around 6 players we can't shift, nobody wants them and nobody wants to pay them what we are paying them.

arsene is very principal driven, everything has to be done "the right way" which basically translates to "his way".

he has history, why do you think they kicked him out of Monaco? Read up on it and you will be surprised how similar things went over there to what they are like now at arsenal.

Power n Glory

17-07-2013, 02:41 PM

you ignored this key quote didnt you? yeah thought so

"The first trophy is to finish in the top four,"

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2...l-fourth-place

Then why ignore this?

Ollie the Optimist

17-07-2013, 02:46 PM

"The first trophy is to finish in the top four,"

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2...l-fourth-place

Then why ignore this?

because that quote comes directy after being knocked out of a cup, so its likely to be arsene giving his players some form of pick up.

even if we look at it at face value, are you seriously suggesting, that arsene wenger, after what he has won, would if you asked him, fourth place or league champions would say fourth place is first trophy.

given when he said that quote, its much more likely to be spin after a match to help pick his players up. because the quote from this year with 4th place is a trophy says this.

"there are five trophies, league, CL, top four, fa cup, league cup"

17-07-2013, 02:49 PM

Are you familiar with the concept of a simile?

:gp:

Ollie the Optimist

17-07-2013, 02:49 PM

because he probably views us as the best team in the league in the sense we aren't bankrolled.

if he was obsessed with winning he would have done a lot more than he has done over the past 7 years, let's not pretend he's blameless in all of this, he's made his fair share of mistakes, I mean we're still suffering from his crazy "wage policy", we have around 6 players we can't shift, nobody wants them and nobody wants to pay them what we are paying them.

arsene is very principal driven, everything has to be done "the right way" which basically translates to "his way".

he has history, why do you think they kicked him out of Monaco? Read up on it and you will be surprised how similar things went over there to what they are like now at arsenal.

united arent bankrolled either.

ive never pretended he is blameless, of course he has made mistakes, however, hes a winner. if you met him in ten years time and asked him what was his proudest moment at arsenal, he would not say getting top four in x year, but winning x trophy. probably the unbeatables.

he is principled and thats both good and bad, this is where gazidas fails. if arsene says x player is only worth x million, im not paying, gazidas should turn round and go, im ceo, i control the money im paying y money. wenger wont turn round and not play the player

there are a lot of debates to be had about wenger, but debating wether he wants to win or get top four is not one of them.

Fist of Lehmann

17-07-2013, 02:52 PM

Are you familiar with the concept of a simile?

Are they like smilies for the dsylexic?

17-07-2013, 02:53 PM

Are they like smilies for the dsylexic?

Sure

Power n Glory

17-07-2013, 03:07 PM

because that quote comes directy after being knocked out of a cup, so its likely to be arsene giving his players some form of pick up.

even if we look at it at face value, are you seriously suggesting, that arsene wenger, after what he has won, would if you asked him, fourth place or league champions would say fourth place is first trophy.

given when he said that quote, its much more likely to be spin after a match to help pick his players up. because the quote from this year with 4th place is a trophy says this.

"there are five trophies, league, CL, top four, fa cup, league cup"

But he's said 4th is an achievement right? It's like winning trophy as he puts it?

I just watched an interview where Mourinho has openly said he doesn't want his players to feel as though the Europa League is their competition. It should be considered a disappointment. When our manager is talking about 4th place being an achievement over a domestic cup, it's sending out the wrong message. It sets a low standard in the dressing room because he sets it up as if it's an achievement. Just imagine if your teacher and parents said you should aim for a job in McD's and be content with that? What does that say about your ability?

Özim

17-07-2013, 03:08 PM

"The first trophy is to finish in the top four,"

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/feb/19/arsene-wenger-arsenal-fourth-place

:lol:

Boom

Özim

17-07-2013, 03:10 PM

united arent bankrolled either.

ive never pretended he is blameless, of course he has made mistakes, however, hes a winner. if you met him in ten years time and asked him what was his proudest moment at arsenal, he would not say getting top four in x year, but winning x trophy. probably the unbeatables.

he is principled and thats both good and bad, this is where gazidas fails. if arsene says x player is only worth x million, im not paying, gazidas should turn round and go, im ceo, i control the money im paying y money. wenger wont turn round and not play the player

there are a lot of debates to be had about wenger, but debating wether he wants to win or get top four is not one of them.
A winner who never wins, I like that :lol:

He's happy with top 4 face it, he wouldn't go on about it like he does if he wasn't. He praises the team regularly for getting 4th place despite crashing out of every important trophy by February/March.

server too busy!

17-07-2013, 03:15 PM

Wtf does this have to do with transfer news, bore off you broken record motherfuckers :sleep::blah::yawn:

Özim

17-07-2013, 03:17 PM

There's no transfer news, not unless you want to hear about who everyone else is signing.

LDG

17-07-2013, 03:18 PM

https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/s403x403/580276_10151590027253580_584354533_n.png

:lol:

Ollie the Optimist

17-07-2013, 03:23 PM

A winner who never wins, I like that :lol:

He's happy with top 4 face it, he wouldn't go on about it like he does if he wasn't. He praises the team regularly for getting 4th place despite crashing out of every important trophy by February/March.

so winning three league titles and three fa cups is never winning? right

Özim

17-07-2013, 03:24 PM

so winning three league titles and three fa cups is never winning? right
What's he won in the last 8 years? right, that's what I thought.

Globalgunner

17-07-2013, 03:25 PM

Wtf does this have to do with transfer news, bore off you broken record motherfuckers :sleep::blah::yawn:

If you think there is no correlation between improving the squad and us busting every sinew to win 4th place then you are better going back to sleep or dare I say it coma

Ollie the Optimist

17-07-2013, 03:27 PM

But he's said 4th is an achievement right? It's like winning trophy as he puts it?

I just watched an interview where Mourinho has openly said he doesn't want his players to feel as though the Europa League is their competition. It should be considered a disappointment. When our manager is talking about 4th place being an achievement over a domestic cup, it's sending out the wrong message. It sets a low standard in the dressing room because he sets it up as if it's an achievement. Just imagine if your teacher and parents said you should aim for a job in McD's and be content with that? What does that say about your ability?

fourth is an acheviement, however for us, it should be the minimum achviement.

the europa league is fair enough what you said, however when one of our fans wants us to go into it because we have more of a chance of wnining instead of getting into last 16 of champions leauge, that too sends out wrong message.

using the teacher analogy, and im going to put it at the time of the quote about it being first trophy. if a kid, a few weeks before his exams, takes some mock exams and gets e's and is devestated because he feels he is a failure, you dont go up to him and shout YOU DIDNT GET AN A, YOU'RE A FUCKING FAILURE, you take him aside, and say if you can get a C from here, you should be really proud, work hard until then, get that C and thats an acheveiment.

Özim

17-07-2013, 03:29 PM

fourth is an acheviement, however for us, it should be the minimum achviement.

the europa league is fair enough what you said, however when one of our fans wants us to go into it because we have more of a chance of wnining instead of getting into last 16 of champions leauge, that too sends out wrong message.

using the teacher analogy, and im going to put it at the time of the quote about it being first trophy. if a kid, a few weeks before his exams, takes some mock exams and gets e's and is devestated because he feels he is a failure, you dont go up to him and shout YOU DIDNT GET AN A, YOU'RE A FUCKING FAILURE, you take him aside, and say if you can get a C from here, you should be really proud, work hard until then, get that C and thats an acheveiment.
Don't kids with less ability take easier exams with a ceiling with a lower grade.

For example if you're not good at Maths you take an easier paper and your maximum grade is a C.

Europa League sounds mighty fine to me, better that than getting thumped in the last 16. It's a foregone conclusion we'll lose a game in the knockouts once we play a decent team, it's decided before the match.

Until we show some ambition and sign a better quality of player, we won't have a hope in the CL.

Ollie the Optimist

17-07-2013, 03:32 PM

Don't kids with less ability take easier exams with a ceiling with a lower grade.

For example if you're not good at Maths you take an easier paper and your maximum grade is a C.

Europa League sounds mighty fine to me, better that than getting thumped in the last 16. It's a foregone conclusion we'll lose a game in the knockouts once we play a decent team, it's decided before the match.

so what you are saying is, you would rather we dropped down a level and only reach C grade standard? then you will moan that the club is aiming high enough and we shouldnt be happy with C grade standard

Özim

17-07-2013, 03:36 PM

so what you are saying is, you would rather we dropped down a level and only reach C grade standard? then you will moan that the club is aiming high enough and we shouldnt be happy with C grade standard
I'm saying I would rather get knocked out of the group stages and go into the Europa League than get to the last 16 and know we're getting beaten, which is what happens every season.

Until we sign some quality it will continue to happen, so yes if we don't sign quality this summer I'd rather we got knocked out in the group stages. At least we'd go into another competition with an outside chance of achieving something.

It's not enjoyable knowing the outcome of a tie before it's taken place.

Ollie the Optimist

17-07-2013, 03:39 PM

LDG

17-07-2013, 03:41 PM

Slow twitter day?

Özim

17-07-2013, 03:42 PM

its still a mindset of wanting the club to fail to start with. you complain that wenger only wants top four yet are happy to want the club to fail to start with to go for an "easier" competition. tad hypocritical no?
No because it's his fault we think like this, with him in charge we have no "hope", that's what he's taken away from us. We're as predictable as they come, our season is like a pre-written script.

Top 4, out of the cups by February/March, last 16 of CL. That's our season.

Transfers are the same, 1 or 2 players of super super quality (which turn out to be a handful of average joe's most of the time) in the summer, nothing in January except once again we'll try and bringing in 1 player if we can find one etc etc.

Özil's Panoramic View

17-07-2013, 03:45 PM

Ollie: "baah, baah, baah, baah, baah, baah, baah."

This is exactly what I mean when I say Wenger has become a cult leader. His sheep like following have forsaken rationality and much prefer to spout deluded drivel with scant regard to how asinine it makes them sound - even in light of the glaring obvious.

I await to see after we this window closes and the tight wad penny pinches his way to once again assembling a squad he thinks is good enough to catapult us towards the coveted trophy, if he'll be offered any reprieve by even the staunchest of worshipping disciples.

Ollie the Optimist

17-07-2013, 03:51 PM

No because it's his fault we think like this, with him in charge we have no "hope", that's what he's taken away from us. We're as predictable as they come, our season is like a pre-written script.

Top 4, out of the cups by February/March, last 16 of CL. That's our season.

Transfers are the same, 1 or 2 players of super super quality (which turn out to be a handful of average joe's most of the time) in the summer, nothing in January except once again we'll try and bringing in 1 player if we can find one etc etc.

you cant moan about the club being happy with top four, not showing ambition, not competing in the big compeitions and then want them to fail in champions league, drop into an "easier" competition and attempt to win that. thats not showing ambition, thats not competing, thats failing. your argument is so hpyocritical here

Power n Glory

17-07-2013, 03:52 PM

fourth is an acheviement, however for us, it should be the minimum achviement.

the europa league is fair enough what you said, however when one of our fans wants us to go into it because we have more of a chance of wnining instead of getting into last 16 of champions leauge, that too sends out wrong message.

using the teacher analogy, and im going to put it at the time of the quote about it being first trophy. if a kid, a few weeks before his exams, takes some mock exams and gets e's and is devestated because he feels he is a failure, you dont go up to him and shout YOU DIDNT GET AN A, YOU'RE A FUCKING FAILURE, you take him aside, and say if you can get a C from here, you should be really proud, work hard until then, get that C and thats an acheveiment.

So Wenger has been achieving the bare minimum for almost 9 years now? That doesn't sound like a winner to me.

If the kid came to the school expecting top grades, regardless of how you try to whitewash it, he knows and you know that he's underachieved with those poor grades. It's not even a C grade we're talking here. Wenger is trying to set a new bench mark with this 4th place trophy shit when it's always been Gold, Silver, Bronze, or 1st, 2nd, 3rd is what gets you on the podium. This 4th place achievement talk is like a polished turd. Not matter how we try to dress it up, the players aren't satisfied and know it's bullshit.

Ollie the Optimist

17-07-2013, 03:59 PM

So Wenger has been achieving the bare minimum for almost 9 years now? That doesn't sound like a winner to me.

If the kid came to the school expecting top grades, regardless of how you try to whitewash it, he knows and you know that he's underachieved with those poor grades. It's not even a C grade we're talking here. Wenger is trying to set a new bench mark with this 4th place trophy shit when it's always been Gold, Silver, Bronze, or 1st, 2nd, 3rd is what gets you on the podium. This 4th place achievement talk is like a polished turd. Not matter how we try to dress it up, the players aren't satisfied and know it's bullshit.

yes he has to an extent we should be in the champions league every season, that is our level. when you look at how much money others have thrown to get it and failed (mostly spurs. spurs :pal: ) and given the fact he has worked off a limited budget, its bordering of miraclous how he has done it for 8 years.

we should have won some cups along the way, he has made serious mistakes in those games, ive never denied that, however the board havnt helped him and while for a club like us, 4th is what we have to acheive as a minimum, i dont think he has been supported in helping get us to title challengers.

Özim

17-07-2013, 04:02 PM

you cant moan about the club being happy with top four, not showing ambition, not competing in the big compeitions and then want them to fail in champions league, drop into an "easier" competition and attempt to win that. thats not showing ambition, thats not competing, thats failing. your argument is so hpyocritical here
Yes, yes I can I can do what I like.

As I said he's the reason we do achieve anything and he's the reason the Europa League makes more sense to me. So there's no hypocrisy there, if he left my opinion would change.

Power n Glory

17-07-2013, 04:07 PM

yes he has to an extent we should be in the champions league every season, that is our level. when you look at how much money others have thrown to get it and failed (mostly spurs. spurs :pal: ) and given the fact he has worked off a limited budget, its bordering of miraclous how he has done it for 8 years.

we should have won some cups along the way, he has made serious mistakes in those games, ive never denied that, however the board havnt helped him and while for a club like us, 4th is what we have to acheive as a minimum, i dont think he has been supported in helping get us to title challengers.

The board have nothing to do with the complacent mentality Wenger has installed in his players and can't tell him how to spend his money, e.g buy a top class striker for £20m, £150k wages, instead of buying two average strikers for £10m a piece. If he told them it's time to go for broke and really go for the title, I doubt they'd tell him to pipe down. The sad thing is, all this noise about going for silverware this year seems to be coming from Gazidis because he knows the fans are growing restless. Wenger should have set the bar higher ages if he felt like he was being short changed.

Ollie the Optimist

17-07-2013, 04:25 PM

The board have nothing to do with the complacent mentality Wenger has installed in his players and can't tell him how to spend his money, e.g buy a top class striker for £20m, £150k wages, instead of buying two average strikers for £10m a piece. If he told them it's time to go for broke and really go for the title, I doubt they'd tell him to pipe down. The sad thing is, all this noise about going for silverware this year seems to be coming from Gazidis because he knows the fans are growing restless. Wenger should have set the bar higher ages if he felt like he was being short changed.

the board to have a part in this, if they have given wenger no money, then what is he supposed to do? and given recent interviews by arteta and jack saying they want to win adn telling the club to spend hardly helps the idea that he has installed a top four is greatest acheievement ever mentality in his players.

there is a lot of noise coming from gazidas not wenger, thats true, i hate that, gazadias should shut the fuck up really and do his talking with getting signings in. also gazidas says he wants world class players, whats stopping him telling wenger that he isnt in charge of prices, he has identified suarez as a target, leave it to me arsene ill go get him.

Power n Glory

17-07-2013, 04:29 PM

the board to have a part in this, if they have given wenger no money, then what is he supposed to do? and given recent interviews by arteta and jack saying they want to win adn telling the club to spend hardly helps the idea that he has installed a top four is greatest acheievement ever mentality in his players.

there is a lot of noise coming from gazidas not wenger, thats true, i hate that, gazadias should shut the fuck up really and do his talking with getting signings in. also gazidas says he wants world class players, whats stopping him telling wenger that he isnt in charge of prices, he has identified suarez as a target, leave it to me arsene ill go get him.

Back to that point again, there was nothing stopping Wenger from signing a £20m - £25m striker last season on wages of up to £150k.

Ollie the Optimist

17-07-2013, 04:32 PM

Back to that point again, there was nothing stopping Wenger from signing a £20m - £25m striker last season on wages of up to £150k.

were there any 25 million pound strikers last year? of those who were sold, who would we have got? genunie question this. higuain is a no go last year, suarez too and rooney.

ibrahimovich was sold but too far out of range, only one i could think of is dzecko but he just won the league. this year, having 40 million to spend on one player opens up more doors

Xhaka Can’t

17-07-2013, 04:33 PM

Özim

17-07-2013, 04:34 PM

There's always 25 million strikers out there if you want them badly enough, we just weren't interested.

McNamara That Ghost...

17-07-2013, 04:37 PM

Citeh are going to/have signed Negredo for £24 million or something.

Ollie the Optimist

17-07-2013, 04:37 PM

There's always 25 million strikers out there if you want them badly enough, we just weren't interested.

but who was out there last year that we could realistically have signed for 25 million? i genuninely cant remember. higauin, well we saw what mourinho did to us with a loan for sahin so we can rule that one out, suarez goes for 40, fergie wouldnt have sold us rooney. who else is there?

Niall_Quinn

17-07-2013, 04:39 PM

:lol:

Boom

Bit of a damp squib. When somebody states something you have to listen to ALL their words to understand what they are saying.

The first trophy is to finish in the top four,"

First comes before second third and fourth. He's not saying his ambition is to be 4th, he's saying 4th is the minimum requirement. The first requirement. Then comes the other trophies and collectively this is the ambition.

Of course it's fine saying that. Then you have to investigate the motives. 4th is considered a trophy because it brings in cash and (if we ever fancied getting serious about it) top players who want to play in the CL.

I can see where Wenger is coming from, I understand it and don't feel the need edit his words so I can make shit up. But I don't agree with him. I don't agree with the way the club has gone about doing business over the last 8 years.

Niall_Quinn

17-07-2013, 04:40 PM

There's no transfer news, not unless you want to hear about who everyone else is signing.

It'll be one player and it'll go to deadline day.

She Wore A Yellow Ribbon

17-07-2013, 04:41 PM

but who was out there last year that we could realistically have signed for 25 million? i genuninely cant remember. higauin, well we saw what mourinho did to us with a loan for sahin so we can rule that one out, suarez goes for 40, fergie wouldnt have sold us rooney. who else is there?

so there was not one striker in the whole world that we could have realistically bought for £25m last year?

:haha:

Özim

17-07-2013, 04:46 PM

Bit of a damp squib. When somebody states something you have to listen to ALL their words to understand what they are saying.

First comes before second third and fourth. He's not saying his ambition is to be 4th, he's saying 4th is the minimum requirement. The first requirement. Then comes the other trophies and collectively this is the ambition.

Of course it's fine saying that. Then you have to investigate the motives. 4th is considered a trophy because it brings in cash and (if we ever fancied getting serious about it) top players who want to play in the CL.

I can see where Wenger is coming from, I understand it and don't feel the need edit his words so I can make shit up. But I don't agree with him. I don't agree with the way the club has gone about doing business over the last 8 years.
Yes but you can't ignore how proud he is of getting 4th either, he's often congratulated his players and glorified this achievement, he genuinely thinks this a top achievement.

When it comes to being in the CL and signing players, how does that affect us? We don't sign players of a high enough calibre that that actually matters.

If the guy did everything he could to win I'd understand it more, trouble is he limits us with his strategy and tactics and refuses to see the flaws despite the same pattern appearing season after season.

People don't like to hear it but he has an incentive to achieve 4th and spend little as well, let's not forget what he earns and that by restricting spending it not only allows him to point out how much money he makes the club but also means less pressure on him from the board, since there's little outlay. He justifies his salary and no success by highlighting profit.

Xhaka Can’t

17-07-2013, 04:50 PM

It'll be one player and it'll go to deadline day.

As many as that? :woohoo:

Ollie the Optimist

17-07-2013, 04:52 PM

so there was not one striker in the whole world that we could have realistically bought for £25m last year?

:haha:

after having a think, looking at the strikers out there, the only one who is close to being world class who we could have got for 25 million is llorente.

of the top strikers in europe that season
van persie left
rooney a no go
higauin a no go
ibravomich too expensive
aguero/dzecko a no go
drogba wouldnt come because he only just left chelsea
canvari is too expensive
david villa is another possible one, but didnt he have a broken leg at the time?
el shawary, well rumours are this usmmer they want 30 plus million for him so i dont think 25 would have got him.
lewandoski/gomez i dont think would come either

trying to think of the top strikers in europe of top of my head adn most of them werent realistic at all sign

Cripps_orig

17-07-2013, 04:55 PM

after having a think, looking at the strikers out there, the only one who is close to being world class who we could have got for 25 million is llorente.

of the top strikers in europe that season
van persie left
rooney a no go
higauin a no go
ibravomich too expensive
aguero/dzecko a no go
drogba wouldnt come because he only just left chelsea
canvari is too expensive
david villa is another possible one, but didnt he have a broken leg at the time?
el shawary, well rumours are this usmmer they want 30 plus million for him so i dont think 25 would have got him.
lewandoski/gomez i dont think would come either

trying to think of the top strikers in europe of top of my head adn most of them werent realistic at all sign
Canvari was the biggest must get ever tbh

Power n Glory

17-07-2013, 05:01 PM

were there any 25 million pound strikers last year? of those who were sold, who would we have got? genunie question this. higuain is a no go last year, suarez too and rooney.

ibrahimovich was sold but too far out of range, only one i could think of is dzecko but he just won the league. this year, having 40 million to spend on one player opens up more doors

So it goes from not having the money to nobody being available at that price. :lol:

Harland

17-07-2013, 05:02 PM

except the team with the world class player, produced the exact same result as our current forwards did. top four, by a point on the last day. both out of all compeitions by february. how did the world class player make us compete again?

revolutionary, by your logic we can compete by getting rid of all our world class players! oh wait, we already did that...

Ollie the Optimist

17-07-2013, 05:03 PM

So it goes from not having the money to nobody being available at that price. :lol:

er no, it was me answering your point of whats stopping him signing those players at that price. if he had 25 million to sign a striker last summer, who could we have signed? i answered that. not rocket science

Harland

17-07-2013, 05:06 PM

er no, it was me answering your point of whats stopping him signing those players at that price. if he had 25 million to sign a striker last summer, who could we have signed? i answered that. not rocket science

Ayo Ollie, so what happened to your theory that we had Higuain in the bag and that we were waiting to announce him and Rooney at the same time for fear of Utd not selling to us?

I mean now it seems likelier that Napoli will get Higuain and Chelsea are knocking hard on Utd's door for Rooney, no way we can compete with them on that front.

Özim

17-07-2013, 05:08 PM

Ayo Ollie, so what happened to your theory that we had Higuain in the bag and that we were waiting to announce him and Rooney at the same time for fear of Utd not selling to us?

I mean now it seems likelier that Napoli will get Higuain and Chelsea are knocking hard on Utd's door for Rooney, no way we can compete with them on that front.
He was in the bag, it's just that Napoli well.....took him out of our bag and put him in their bag when we weren't looking before checkout....thieving so and so's.

Ollie the Optimist

17-07-2013, 05:09 PM

Harland

17-07-2013, 05:09 PM

He was in the bag, it's just that Napoli well.....took him out of our bag and put him in their bag when we weren't looking before checkout....thieving so and so's.

don't worry, we have Suarez in the bag. We just don't want to announce him yet because we might piss off Barca (for reasons unknown) and they will up their price to sell Cesc back to us. We will announce them at the same time.

Özim

17-07-2013, 05:11 PM

you mean the theory that i posted, saying there could be something to it but that it wasnt my theory? i felt there could have been something in that theory, thought it could spark an interesting debate so posted it on a message board where people debate such things.

as thinkgs stand, i dont htink we will get higuain, sounds like madrid have been dicks so we now have turned to suarez. guttted we wont get higuain, but if we end up siging suarez instead i wont be too unhappy.
Suarez :lol:

This is so never happening, please come down from the clouds. The only Suarez you're likely to see in an Arsenal shirt is of his distant relatives who's either just out of nappies or going on the cheap.

Power n Glory

17-07-2013, 05:11 PM

er no, it was me answering your point of whats stopping him signing those players at that price. if he had 25 million to sign a striker last summer, who could we have signed? i answered that. not rocket science

And you're a football scout? Are you saying Podolski and Giroud were the best we could get afford?

But it goes back to the original point.....we could have spent more on a better striker, right? Funds were there. Who doesn't really matter because all this paper talk about Higuain, Rooney and Suarez is generated from the fact that it's now been made public that we have money to spend.

Harland

17-07-2013, 05:11 PM

you mean the theory that i posted, saying there could be something to it but that it wasnt my theory? i felt there could have been something in that theory, thought it could spark an interesting debate so posted it on a message board where people debate such things.

as thinkgs stand, i dont htink we will get higuain, sounds like madrid have been dicks so we now have turned to suarez. guttted we wont get higuain, but if we end up siging suarez instead i wont be too unhappy.

Honestly i'm quite surprised that you are somewhat backing the Suarez transfer.

It would be so much easier to say 'Yeah good, I never wanted him anyway' when the transfer window closes and Sanago is our biggest signing. You probably still would but meh....

Seems like Real Madrid were being idiots indeed, lets see if Higuain does move how much it will be for and therefore we can have a reasonable expectation as to where the buck ends with regards to this deal faltering.

Ollie the Optimist

17-07-2013, 05:13 PM

Suarez :lol:

This is so never happening, please come down from the clouds. The only Suarez you're likely to see in an Arsenal shirt is of his distant relatives who's either just out of nappies or going on the cheap.

again, where did i say suarez was happening. i said im gutted we wont get higuain, however replace suarez with another world class striker, and i wont be upset on missing out on higauin. sign no one. and i will be.

Niall_Quinn

17-07-2013, 05:14 PM

Yes but you can't ignore how proud he is of getting 4th either, he's often congratulated his players and glorified this achievement, he genuinely thinks this a top achievement.

When it comes to being in the CL and signing players, how does that affect us? We don't sign players of a high enough calibre that that actually matters.

If the guy did everything he could to win I'd understand it more, trouble is he limits us with his strategy and tactics and refuses to see the flaws despite the same pattern appearing season after season.

People don't like to hear it but he has an incentive to achieve 4th and spend little as well, let's not forget what he earns and that by restricting spending it not only allows him to point out how much money he makes the club but also means less pressure on him from the board, since there's little outlay. He justifies his salary and no success by highlighting profit.

I think he gets a perverse satisfaction from hanging on to the coattails of city, utd and the chavs but I doubt he's happy or satisfied at having won nothing for 8 years. I would suspect he feels he's partially achieved his goals, because staying in touch when the spuds, pool and even rpq are spending stupid wads of cash is in fact an achievement. It just doesn't appear much of an achievement when set against our previously high standards. The environment has changed and Wenger has had to deal with a rapacious board as well as the limitless funds at the gypsy clubs. He's done it by playing the averages game which runs contrary to his early years at the club. People say he's stubborn and doesn't change. I think he's changed a lot. Our shit football is evidence of that.

Özim

17-07-2013, 05:15 PM

again, where did i say suarez was happening. i said im gutted we wont get higuain, however replace suarez with another world class striker, and i wont be upset on missing out on higauin. sign no one. and i will be.
It's the fact you entertained the fact we might sign Suarez. It's just not happening, not in real life anyway.

Harland

17-07-2013, 05:17 PM

It's the fact you entertained the fact we might sign Suarez. It's just not happening, not in real life anyway.

Works out fine doesn't it? Seems like the board and Wenger (by association) aren't living in real life.

Niall_Quinn

17-07-2013, 05:18 PM

It's the fact you entertained the fact we might sign Suarez. It's just not happening, not in real life anyway.#]

Suarez and Rooney were never, ever happening. Not 100% sure why we got involved with that. I think the worst but can't prove it.

Ollie the Optimist

17-07-2013, 05:18 PM

It's the fact you entertained the fact we might sign Suarez. It's just not happening, not in real life anyway.

is there anything in your life that you look at in a posistive way or is everything a negative?

Özim

17-07-2013, 05:21 PM

is there anything in your life that you look at in a posistive way or is everything a negative?
No my fault you just don't like to hear the truth :lol:

You constantly entertain these football manager transfers which to anyone with any sense are never going to happen and yet you complain when someone picks you up on it, be realistic when has Arsenal ever paid out big money for transfers?

Özim

17-07-2013, 05:22 PM

Works out fine doesn't it? Seems like the board and Wenger (by association) aren't living in real life.
It's perfect, plus we tried our hardest this summer didn't we, I mean look at those big bids for strikers. Blasted clubs just got greedy!

Harland

17-07-2013, 05:22 PM

is there anything in your life that you look at in a posistive way or is everything a negative?

Anything in your life you look at realistically?

Cos by all accounts here you stand for the type of fan that Wenger and the board consistently dupes and he's able to continue do what he's doing.

Özim

17-07-2013, 05:22 PM

#]

Suarez and Rooney were never, ever happening. Not 100% sure why we got involved with that. I think the worst but can't prove it.
I think that's the reason we got involved in that to be honest.

She Wore A Yellow Ribbon

17-07-2013, 05:49 PM

:lol: ollie

you need to work for arsenal, you're exactly the type of person they're looking for. hand in a CV next time you're there.

Cripps_orig

17-07-2013, 06:02 PM

Ollie as Wengers replacement?

Ollie the Optimist

17-07-2013, 06:15 PM

:lol: ollie

you need to work for arsenal, you're exactly the type of person they're looking for. hand in a CV next time you're there.

Anyone particular reason you have ignored what I've said amd just made a pointless dig?

AKBapologist

17-07-2013, 06:17 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qUg8tAaStI&feature=youtu.be

Master Splinter

17-07-2013, 06:18 PM

treason you have ignored

Letters won't be pleased.

She Wore A Yellow Ribbon

17-07-2013, 06:22 PM

Anyone particular reason you have ignored what I've said amd just made a pointless dig?

oh relax you big poof. we've got nothing to gloat about in terms of transfers at this bleedin club so the least we can is have a bit of banter on here to pass time.

Master Splinter

17-07-2013, 06:31 PM

Geoff Arsenal ‏@GeoffArsenal

Arsenal monitoring the situation at Cfc regarding Mata & Hazard. Rumours are that one or the other will be surplus to Jose's plans.

Mata's coming home.

17-07-2013, 06:32 PM

Geoff :lol:

cricketsi

17-07-2013, 06:34 PM

Geoff Arsenal ‏@GeoffArsenal

Mata's coming home.

:lol: If only. There's been a lot of stories about Mourinho not being a fan of Mata though. Strange if true.

17-07-2013, 06:35 PM

I think it's got something to do with Mourinho being a massive twat.

McNamara That Ghost...

17-07-2013, 06:36 PM

Mourinho likes his big strong midfielders. Wouldn't want to upset his son Essien after all.

17-07-2013, 06:42 PM

If he's relying on Essien then he's dumber than he looks.

Cripps_orig

17-07-2013, 06:42 PM

Mourinho may be the best manager in the world but getting rid of Mata would be great news for Chelsea's rivals.

Time he came home

Cripps_orig

17-07-2013, 06:43 PM

Mourinho likes his big strong midfielders. Wouldn't want to upset his son Essien after all.
Essien :lol:

I remember when people thought when he was one of the best in the world.

To me he's always been the Ghanian Robbie Savage

Harland

17-07-2013, 06:50 PM

Mourinho may be the best manager in the world but getting rid of Mata would be great news for Chelsea's rivals.

Time he came home

A bid of 6 million with potential add ons?

AKBapologist

17-07-2013, 06:57 PM

Shitty confirm signing of Negredo.

Master Splinter

17-07-2013, 06:58 PM

Suarez + Mata + Scott Dann = We Vin BPL.

Make it happen, Wenfer.

17-07-2013, 07:02 PM

Wan Matter :bow:

Cripps_orig

17-07-2013, 07:04 PM

Shitty confirm signing of Negredo.

FFP :bow:

Cripps_orig

17-07-2013, 07:04 PM

A bid of 6 million with potential add ons?

Sounds like a bid we would make

Harland

17-07-2013, 07:14 PM

Sounds like a bid we would make

I'm ITK, didn't you know? ##

Niall_Quinn

17-07-2013, 07:17 PM

If we really have bid £6mill for Mata it means the Suarez deal must be off. No way would we sign a player whose name begins with S if we are under-bidding for Mata.

Cripps_orig

17-07-2013, 07:25 PM

If we really have bid £6mill for Mata it means the Suarez deal must be off. No way would we sign a player whose name begins with S if we are under-bidding for Mata.

Sounds like the kind of logic we would take in buying a player.

Master Splinter

17-07-2013, 10:26 PM

United bid £60m for Balenaldo:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/gareth-bale-transfer-manchester-united-2060737

Suarez almost home:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/liverpool-transfers-arsenals-luis-suarez-2060488

KSE Comedy Club

17-07-2013, 11:00 PM

you ignored this key quote didnt you? yeah thought so

Well what fucking difference does that make?!?

We don't sign the best players anyway!

Cripps_orig

18-07-2013, 12:49 AM

Arsenal and Napoli have been told Real Madrid forward Gonzalo Higuain, 25, will cost £37m.
Full story: The Times (subscription required)

Arsenal manager Arsene Wenger says Manchester United vice-chairman Ed Woodward's exit from their pre-season tour of Australia to accelerate a move for Barcelona midfielder Cesc Fabregas, 26, is a waste of time.
Full story: Daily Mirror

Higuain isn't coming

Hopefully Cesc isn't either

Seymour Butts

18-07-2013, 09:53 AM

Ollie the Optimist

18-07-2013, 09:57 AM

I have to say I get the feeling that Wenger really is pinning his hopes on signing Rooney. He is not normally this vocal about being able to afford a player and is sending out a clear message that he is prepared to break the bank to get him. I initially thought this was pie in the sky but I believe he is genuinely going to make every effort to sign him - obviously Chelsea will trump us in the money stakes and Rooney being the character he is will def go for the money so I still think its a no go - just hope we are not putting all of our eggs in one basket as usual

Isn't the case that usually with wenger, the players he talks loudest about are the ones he has least interest in. If he's talking about Rooney, he doesn't want him IMO, he's using him as a smokescreen.

Cripps_orig

18-07-2013, 09:59 AM

Wengers smokescreens :bow:

Özim

18-07-2013, 10:01 AM

Wengers smokescreens :bow:
:lol: Got to love some of the stuff fans have made up about Wenger over the years!

Ollie the Optimist

18-07-2013, 10:05 AM

:lol: Got to love some of the stuff fans have made up about Wenger over the years!

How often does wenger talk about a player amd end up signing him? It's ver rare

How often does wenger deny links, say we aren't interested etc etc amd then sign them? More often then the first one.

It's not making excuses, it's going by past experience of what he says. Given we have bid for Suarez, it's been confirmed, and we haven't bid for Rooney, I'd say he is more interested I'm Suarez, so by talking about Rooney it distracts media for, Suarez.

Özim

18-07-2013, 10:09 AM

How often does Wenger sign players? It's very rare

How often does he BS? All the time

It's not a smokescreen it's just outright lies, he lies about everything.

LDG

18-07-2013, 10:09 AM

I admire your never say die attitude Ollie, but chill dude. Ignore it all, otherwise you're only going to get dissapointed.

Enjoy the sun, step away from the media circus, and just wait until the first game of the season.

If we've done the business. Great.

But if we haven't, you're going to have wasted your time looking for something which isn't there.

Niall_Quinn

18-07-2013, 10:32 AM

Have we signed anyone yet?

Özim

18-07-2013, 10:36 AM

Have we signed anyone yet?
Yes

http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/french-striker-yaya-sanogo-joins-club

Niall_Quinn

18-07-2013, 10:37 AM

Yes

http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/french-striker-yaya-sanogo-joins-club

Apart from the paraplegic bloke.

selassie

18-07-2013, 12:00 PM

I have to say I get the feeling that Wenger really is pinning his hopes on signing Rooney. He is not normally this vocal about being able to afford a player and is sending out a clear message that he is prepared to break the bank to get him. I initially thought this was pie in the sky but I believe he is genuinely going to make every effort to sign him - obviously Chelsea will trump us in the money stakes and Rooney being the character he is will def go for the money so I still think its a no go - just hope we are not putting all of our eggs in one basket as usual

Nah, I think our interest in Rooney has cooled, Rooney seems to be Chelsea bound, he wants to work with Mourinho and all his mates are at Chelsea, (Cashley, JT & Lamps).

Even if we offered him more money than Chelsea I get the impression he would still choose them over us.

Cripps_orig

18-07-2013, 12:02 PM

Rooney prefers Chelsea. Mancs would rather he join us as we aren't a threat.

Hope Mancs do what's best and tell Wazza to come home and lead our English youngsters

Özim

18-07-2013, 12:12 PM

No expecting any signings soon, people have to understand the competition in Europe is very hard at the moment. There's a lot of money and not many players.

Let's wait till the 2nd September and then see where we are.

LDG

18-07-2013, 01:18 PM

Squillaci has gone! :woohoo:

Cripps_orig

18-07-2013, 01:21 PM

Good luck to him.

Wasn't very good but he was awesome for me in pro evo something.

Will remember him for that.

Farewell Toto

Özim

18-07-2013, 01:52 PM

Squillaci has gone! :woohoo:
He was good in the 1990 World Cup wasn't he?

Grebbo

18-07-2013, 02:29 PM

Nah, I think our interest in Rooney has cooled, Rooney seems to be Chelsea bound, he wants to work with Mourinho and all his mates are at Chelsea, (Cashley, JT & Lamps).

Even if we offered him more money than Chelsea I get the impression he would still choose them over us.

Tbf why would any player join us over Chelsea? I suppose any top player would be a guaranteed starter for us and might have to fight to get into the Chelsea team but that's about all I can think of.

This is the problem we have when trying to buy established stars like Rooney and Suarez. Established stars want the glory and they're going to go to the club that offers them the best chance of this. They were both about 18yrs old when we last won anything so they've never really known a winning Arsenal team.

This is why we haven't signed anybody of note yet. The competition for the top players is huge, it will be a real coup for Arsenal to sign any top players.

Seymour Butts

18-07-2013, 02:43 PM

Isn't the case that usually with wenger, the players he talks loudest about are the ones he has least interest in. If he's talking about Rooney, he doesn't want him IMO, he's using him as a smokescreen.

Sorry I dont buy into the whole smokescren idea - think it is something that is kicked around GW rather than actually being any truth to it. Cazorla was different as he denied knowing who he was. I genuinely think he is going to go all guns ablazing for Rooney

Seymour Butts

18-07-2013, 02:45 PM

PGFC

18-07-2013, 03:35 PM

BREAKING FOOTBALL NEWS........

Wayne Rooney is set to join Chelsea today

After his wife agreed personal terms with John Terry

:d nicked from facebunk

LDG

18-07-2013, 03:42 PM

:lol:

Niall_Quinn

18-07-2013, 05:19 PM

:d nicked from facebunk

Very good.

Marc Overmars

18-07-2013, 07:33 PM

Fiorentina have announced they've agreed to sell Jovetic to City. :rolleyes:

They must be favourites for the title, Pellegrini should get them playing some #decent football.

18-07-2013, 07:39 PM

FFP :bow:

Özim

18-07-2013, 07:44 PM

Fiorentina have announced they've agreed to sell Jovetic to City. :rolleyes:

They must be favourites for the title, Pellegrini should get them playing some #decent football.

I hope these words reassure you:

"Now we are in a position where we want to compete for the title again"

Arsene Wenger

Ollie the Optimist

18-07-2013, 07:56 PM

FFP :bow:

Psg have spent a 100 million this summer already, city have spent close to it already too

Might as well give up really. We can't compete with that

Munchies

18-07-2013, 08:01 PM

Reading that the Jovetic deal is worth £22.4m , and they've signed Negredo for £20m. Not fucking around.

We've signed no one of note. Fuck.

Harland

18-07-2013, 08:01 PM

Isn't the case that usually with wenger, the players he talks loudest about are the ones he has least interest in. If he's talking about Rooney, he doesn't want him IMO, he's using him as a smokescreen.

It's true, I agree with Ollie on this one.

Wenger is using a smokescreen here.

But It's not for the media, It's for the fans.

Shaqiri Is Boss

18-07-2013, 08:05 PM

I wish people would stop talking about smokscreen.

Really making me want to dig out my old Gameboy and Pokemon Blue.

Munchies

18-07-2013, 08:06 PM

I wish people would stop talking about smokscreen.

Really making me want to dig out my old Gameboy and Pokemon Blue.

http://pldh.net/media/dreamworld/110.png

Master Splinter

18-07-2013, 08:11 PM

Fernandinho, Navas, Negrito and Jovetic sounds a bit b-list compared to PSG and Monaco's escapades.

Tevez is still better than all their forward players, apart from an on-form Aguero.

They're spending loads as usual but, as was the question last season, is their first XI vastly improved? The squad is definitely much better now though, of course.

If Chelsea sign Wazza, that's far more deadly than all Citeh's signings combined. A motivated Wazza, that is.